₦airaland Forum

truthman2012:
I am surprised that you muslim guys could still open a thread trying to find fault with the bible. If same is said about islam you start spewing fire and brimestone that forces owners of nairaland to be quickly deleting any thread against islam.

Islam can only survive by threats and killings. That shows the deity behind the religion. Smh!!!

Please don't mention my username again because I have lost keen interest in the forum. I only came to see this thread by chance.

Weldon my good friend.

lepasharon:
Daniel saw God too.

did you know the meaning of vision? Daniel saw vison.

Rilwayne001:
Lol..

Exo 24:9-11 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL . Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself. But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; THEY SAW GOD , and they ate and drank.

Perphaps the God of Israel is different from the one you talking about. Who is lying? you or the bible?

this is the problems you muslims have, you read were favour your argument but leave the chapter that answer your question.

Exodus 19:12-13
12 You shall set bounds for the people all
around, saying, ‘Take heed to yourselves
that you do not go up to the mountain or
touch its base. Whoever touches the
mountain shall surely be put to death. 13
Not a hand shall touch him, but he shall
surely be stoned or shot with an arrow;
whether man or beast, he shall not live.’
When the trumpet sounds long, they
shall come near the mountain.”

God told Moses to set the boundaries around the mountain so that no one should even touch its base without the punishment of death. However, God specifically invited these people to ascend the mountain in order to consecrate them for the service to which they had been appointed, and to seal the covenant which had been established between God and the nation of Israel.
Second, it is clear from the description
and from other passages of Scripture ( Ex. 33:19–20; Num. 12:8; John 1:18), that what these people saw was not the
essence of God, but rather a visual
representation of the glory of God. Even
when Moses asked to see God’s glory (Ex. 33:18–23), it was only a likeness of God which Moses saw (cf. Num. 12:8 where the Hebrew word temunah “form,” “likeness” is used), and not the very essence of God.

Rilwayne001:
…“Your name will no longer be Jacob. Your name will now be Israel, because you have wrestled WITH GOD and with people, and you have won.” Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But the man said, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed Jacob there. So Jacob named that place Peniel, saying, “I have seen God face to face, but my life was saved.”

The underlined part is not the primary aim of this thread if not the highlighted part, Do you agree that Jacob according to this verse saw God face-to-face?

first it was the meaning of peniel that is I have seen God face to face, but peniel have many significant meaning, Penuel, which signifies the face of God, or God hath looked upon me, or hath had respect to me. infacte there was a
city built here,called by the same name;
Judges 8:8;
From there he went up to PENIEL and
made the same request of them, but
they answered as the men of Sukkoth
had.

Jacob wrestled with an angel, but he thought it was God, the bible is clear, NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE , as long as Jacob did not die, it was not God he wrestled with.

FOLYKAZE:
Oga ade shattapp

MOSES saw your God face to face

Moses did not see God.it a figurative expression just to indicate the relationship between God and man, verse 11 say ;
"as a man speaketh unto his friend"

Rilwayne001:



[size=15pt] THE BIBLE SAID NO. [/size]

1Ti 6:15-16 …………--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

Exo 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

The question is: How true is this using the same bible?

Cc; allnaijablogger, malviguy, truthman2012, ifeann, true2god, jagoon, jcross, proffdada macelliot, bingbagbo, prophetudeme

NO one can see God.

ALISMILE:
U lack d intelligence to even deduce wat news is fake or not! Can't join issues wit sombdy like dat!

the thing is that does the priest say this word in reffering to the teaching of Jesus in the quran? Do you agreed with the priest on the teaching of Jesus in the bible?

ALISMILE:
Russia's Orthodox archpriest Dmitri Smirnov
said that Muslims were closer to the
teachings of Jesus than Christians.
World Bulletin / News Desk
In a sermon that reportedly took place in a
church in Moscow on Sunday, Russia's Orthodox
archpriest Dmitri Smirnov said the future
belongs to the Muslims after comparing them to
Christians.
Recalling an experience shared with him by an
elderly woman in his congregation, he
mentioned that Muslim drivers never took
money when taking her to church, whereas
Christian drivers were only interested in making
money.
'A child doesn't take money from his mother,
especially if she is going to pray,' the Archpriest
said, quoting Muslim drivers, adding that
Christian drivers would say 'This is my job.'
'A Muslim bringing you to Easter or anything else
is closer to the Messiah (Jesus Christ) than a
Christian who wants money,' Smirnov told his
congregation, 'because the Christian driver has
no mercy, pity or kindness in his heart.'
'A Muslim is not interested in gaining benefit
from the old woman. Rather, the Muslim offers
to take her around, take her to the landrette, pay
her bills, take her to the market, carry her bags
up to her floor or to her elevator (if she has one)
,' he said.
Smirnov went on to say: 'For this reason, the
future will belong to the Muslims. The future is
theirs. They will plough this land, because
today's Christians are not in need of these
things.'
'In fact, during their festivals the people are
scared to enter their areas (in Moscow) because
tens of thousands of young Muslim men fall
down on their knees and worship God. Where
have you seen that many Orthodox men? You
cannot see them anywhere at any time,' he
concluded.
Up to 15% of people in Russia are Muslim and
Islam is the second largest religion in the
country. In some parts of the Northern Caucasus
and Central Asian regions, Islam is the main
religion. Around two million Muslims also live in
the capital Moscow.
Islam is a monotheistic religion that preaches
the belief in one god and belief in all the biblical
prophets from Adam up until Muhammad, who
is accepted as the last prophet. Muslims also
accept Jesus as a prophet of God rather than the
son of God.
www.worldbulletin.net/islamic-world/144115/russian-archpriest-the-future-belongs-to-muslims

where do we find the teaching of Jesus? Quran or bible? The quran never give much details of Jesus preaching,why dint the priest say muslims followed muhammed preaching? Because muhammed never preach love to the unbelievers.

Matthew 5:43-48
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love
your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you, 45
that you may be children of your Father
in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on
the evil and the good, and sends rain on
the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If
you love those who love you, what
reward will you get? Are not even the tax
collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet
only your own people, what are you
doing more than others? Do not even
pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore,
as your heavenly Father is perfect.

For what I know is this, the priest was reffering to this preaching of Jesus "sermon on the mount" which can be found ONLY in the bible because NO verse in the quran encourage believers to love there enemy.

EMILO2STAY:
mr pls stop this lengthy argument a living thing does not have a soul, a livingthing is a soul.

MizJanet:
So God have soul, going by the clueless religious definition of soul, it means another entity is livin inside your god, wow!
RELIGION IS CLUELESS

she find it funny for God to have a soul. To her own imagination God having a soul mean another being created him.hope you understand her deception?

MizJanet:

Have soul ? Lol are you saying you are given a soul , nah . Your own bible establish it that Adam wasnt given a soul , HE BECAME A LIVING SOUL *nephesh* . Genesis 2:7

And when he died , he automatically become a " DEAD SOUL *nephesh* " Numbers 6:6

your argument was that why will God have a soul, abi? So my question is this, show me a living thing that does not have a soul!!! Simple as that .

Freksy:
If the spirit of God is in you, then you are God? Conversely, if the spirit of demons is in you, you are what?



If you claim Jesus is the almighty God, then it's blasphemous to say the almighty prayed to another being. Who is that being he prayed to, and what is their relative positions?

WAS IT THE ALMIGHTY GOD THAT PRAYED FOR THE WILL OF SOMEONE ELSE BE DONE ON HIS BEHALF?



Son of who?

By that expression in bold you have knowingly or unknowingly alluded to the fact that there is a begetter and a begotten.



Can you be an image of yourself? If you resemble your father, you can be described as the image of him. Can that prove you are your father?

1.there is NO verse in the bible were it say the spirit of God is in someone,Jesus was the only flesh whom God spirit was on Him, you only here "they were moved by the power of the holy Ghost".
If a demon possessed you, it mean you are a demon.
2.Jesus has TWO nature,fully God and fully man.the nature of God did not override the nature of human in him(Jesus) when Jesus pray "NOT MY WILL" this mean God did not imposed his freewill on Him.but when demon possessed you, he imposed his freewill on you.the prayer of Jesus indicate It was His human nature that pray.
But christ is ONE.Jesus never speaks of Himself as "We," but always as "I"
Many passages refer to both natures of Christ, but it is clear that only one person is intended

The mistake you are making is that the two nature are one, God impos his freewill on Jesus.God is a spirit, can you see a spirit? Feel it or touch it? NO.the point is that this spirit dwell in the body of a flesh in other to have a personal relationship with his creatures and that flesh is Jesus. When Jesus say He is the way and truth.what was he trying to say? It is only God that can say He is the way to heaven.the reason Jesus did not say directly,I Am God is because the Jews will stone him to for blasphemy in fact it was this same reason Jesus was killed.

MizJanet:
The bold part got me laughing hard, can you imagine ? , if your god is not living , i wonder what he is

good, you say He is a living thing, now show me a living thing that doesent have soul.

MizJanet:
Its funny how religion brainwashed you people clueless , the answer to your question at bold is found in your bible book of isaiah 66:24 , " worms that do not die" is earthly , just a symbolic language . Those worms talked about in isaiah 66:24 has long been dead . Infact its described in reference to carcasses not a mythical imaterial ghost


GBAM!

A person in a deep sleep knows nothing . Thats what happen when you die .

you and satanist are no different,you keep on twisting bible verse;
The Context was talking about" God's Final Judgments against the Wicked"
Isaiah 66:24
"And they will go out and look on the
dead bodies of those who rebelled
against me; the worms that eat them will
not die, the fire that burns them will not
be quenched, and they will be
loathsome to all mankind."

This verse is describing the punishment in hell just as I explained in my first post.

MizJanet:
The clueless and foolish part of it is for a religion to say a ghostly immaterial soul is residing within its god. How does it sound to you ? Ur god has a ghostly part sustaining its life and existence ? This is serious .

But if you had calm down, you would have seen that such thought sounds wild to your translators too, thats why the 1st isaiah 42:1 which you quote says "whom [size=23]I[/size] delight" instead of "whom my soul delight" ar u gettin it ? Soul simply refer to a whole person . Thats the lesson

it sound foolish to you who don't know the nature of God. But we are the children of God, he knows us by our name and when we here is voice, we follow.anything thing that does not have soul, do you think is a living thing? In all your post you mention clueless, but for your mind, you thought you are wiser? Good for you, I am very proud of you, thanks but no thank.

MizJanet:
@underlined : another myth exposed; human BECAME a living soul . WOW HE BECAME , It Didnt Say THAt HE WAS GIVEN A SOUL .

Lols @bold , you now quote the verse well , after uv been made to realize your mistake .

So God have soul, going by the clueless religious definition of soul, it means another entity is livin inside your god, wow!





RELIGION IS CLUELESS

I wanted to ignore this post but I cannot believe someone like you will think like this, let me ask you.
Are you a former christian? If yes, so when you are a christians, do you think God did not have a soul? What make God eternal?is it not the soul? Because soul cannot die.

What baffle me is that you keep on saying religion is clueless, although I intend to agreed with you but the truth is that you have no idea of what you are saying.

MizJanet:
Its funny how religion brainwashed you people clueless , the answer to your question at bold is found in your bible book of isaiah 66:24 , " worms that do not die" is earthly , just a symbolic language . Those worms talked about in isaiah 66:24 has long been dead . Infact its described in reference to carcasses not a mythical imaterial ghost


GBAM!

A person in a deep sleep knows nothing . Thats what happen when you die .

ok lady.

MizJanet:
So your bible has been edited . u dont have to edit isaiah 42:1 now

* DO i have to teach you your own bible again , go and read Isaiah 42:1 as it appears in literal and unedited hebrew , God said " whom my soul has approved" is another entity living inside your god ?

may God forgive you for your lies, satan is manipulating you, here what isaiah 42:1 say,
"Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My
chosen one in whom My soul delights. I
have put My Spirit upon Him; He will
bring forth justice to the nations.

God created human and breath the breathe of life in human and human became a LIVING SOUL , so common sense will not tell you that God who this life came out from can have soul? You and satanic are no different. Thank you for your time. Pleased don't quote me again. Peaceful!!!

MizJanet:
Hehehe god creates hell, and employ demons and satan to be in charge of it . According to your silly, mythical and crazy visions designed to promote blogs , sell Cd's and market audio tapes . That nonsense pastorpreneural tactics doesnt work here .
::::::::::

If i tell you that death, grave , and one wild beast thats highly symbolic is thrown into the lake of fire , a simple brain analysis should tell you its not literal coz death is a condition not a person , grave is a pit , while such wild beast with many heads doesnt exist . Unless you dont want to think .

For clarity, the same Satan that will be thrown into the lake of fire in a symbolic book is also said in another bible book that he will cease to existt . Eze 24: 13, 14,15 And [size=20]19 [/size].
If At A time he doesnt exist , then whats the big deal about him ceasing to exist once more.

why are you allowing satan to deceive you ? What happened to you? Ok, answer my question now, I challenge you to produce a chapter that say God send people to hell? Listen and listen O ye foolish atheist!!!(sorry, not an insult, but you acted that way) God will ONLY say to the sinner, DEPART from me. meaning He deny them the kingdom of heaven, what left is you and demon the demon will be the one to take you with them because you obey there command when you are on earth.

MizJanet:

Are you guys clueless , notice the bold ... So ur mythical immaterial and spiritual looking soul actually decays and produce worms too ?

Glaring contradiction , even yourself dont understand what you quote




How does this support your myth , prison break @ bold : people are presently sleeping in the dust of the earth .

according to you atheists are interlingent but christians are illiterate,right? But how could an interlingent friend do not understand my post? Did I say human body will decay and become worm? A worm that does not die, did you think the worm is earthly worm?

The saint's that are dead, bible likened them as sleeping and they are the one who will ressurecte first to meet the Lord and we who are alive will meet the Lord after. the unbelievers are dead, they too will be ressurected with a new body for judgment.

Are you an atheist? Are you ready to die?

MizJanet:
This people are so clueles , their god has a heart yet he doesnt have blood , whats the work of the heart if not to pumb blood .

Pls, God have a soul o, " My soul" isaiah 42:1 , does it mean another entity is livin inside ur god ?

this is what isaiah 42:1 say;
"Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my
chosen one in whom I delight; I will put
my Spirit on him, and he will bring
justice to the nations.

Prophecy about our Lord Jesus christ. The bible clearly say God is a spirit, God does not have a flesh.Jesus Christ stated quite clearly that God the Father is a Spirit:
God is a Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in
truth. ( John 4:24)

Does this leave the option that God as a
spirit could also have a "body of flesh
and bones?" Here is how Jesus defined a spirit:

Behold my hands and my feet, that it
is I myself: handle me, and see; for a
spirit HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES , as ye
see me have. ( Luke 24:39)

And also the bible say God is invincible;
..Christ... Who is the image of the
invisible God, the firstborn of every
creature: ( Colossians 1:15)
Because that which may be known of
God is manifest in them; for God hath
showed it unto them. For the invisible
things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen... ( Romans
1:19-20)

MizJanet:
Infact , the part that indicate the cluelessness of religion was dat ayoku777 or whats his name dat said ' when people die , they go to first hell AND after a while , those burning in first hell will be resurected with a new body ; lols and after workin so much to give them a new body , they ar then transferred to another hell.

How will a lovin God create 2 hells ?

I repeat, you need a serious bible lessons!!!

Hell was primarily created by God as a
place for Satan and his demons (who are rebellious, fallen angels). Satan was
originally created as God's most powerful angelic being. However, He rebelled against God and convinced one third of the angels (now referred to as demons) to join him. Michael, an archangel of God, fought with God's angels against Satan and his angels, with Satan losing the battle and being cast from heaven down to earth.
However, Satan wasn't finished in his
rebellion against God. Satan took on the
form of a snake in the garden of Eden to
tempt Eve.Eventually,Satan Will continue in his rebellion against God and attempt to take over the world through the "beast" (world ruler) and a false prophet described in the book of
Revelation. Joined by human armies, Satan's rebellious cohorts will be destroyed at the battle of Armageddon at which time the beast and false prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire (hell). Satan will be imprisoned for 1,000 years, during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ on earth with His saints.
At the end of that period, Satan will be
released for a short period of time,
deceive the leaders of the world again,
and convince them to attack Jesus and
His rule on the earth. Satan will lose
again and be thrown into the Lake of Fire to "be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Following Satan's demise, the saints of Jesus Christ will judge the angels who joined him in rebellion, who will also be sent to the Lake of Fire.
Those who reject Jesus Christ cannot
enter into the presence of God, and so
must be separated from Him until the
white throne judgment. The Bible gives several lists of people who will not be in heaven.

MizJanet:
You are really derailin this thread . TWO THINGS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED

1. The use of hell in your bible in matt 10:28 is forgery , which u testify to as true forgery leading you to digging out the greek words . You wont have done this if the english is NOT edited

2. Even when you dig out the greek , you FINALLY testify that it symbolize destruction. And everyone knows when something is destroyed, it comes to an end CONTRARY to the never ending life in hell garbage shouted at the pulpit . Thanks .


Signed: mizjanet ,

you need serious lessons on bible teaching

Crispels:
I actually do think a supreme being(God) may exist. I however don't believe in religion, esp. Christianity and Islam. Its scam

read here https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one
And
https://www.nairaland.com/2349810/agnosticsatheists-others-religion-pleased-read

MizJanet:
Strollin along some of the threads , I saw someone quote this bible verse . Pls lets use our brain here .
______________

" fear him who can destroy both soul and BODY in hell' matt 10:28 .

The question that arise is : do BODY go to hell ? , BODY go to where ? Hell or grave . I thought body is placed in the grave or religion is clueless ?

first, our body we have here on earth is different from the one in heaven or hell.
secondly, there will be NO death in hell even the worm do not die, meaning hell is different from the earth.
This are the punishments in hell;
smoke of their torment
no rest day and night
weeping and gnashing of teeth
tormented

their worm does not die
destruction

Now pay close attention to this book of Daniel:
Daniel 12:1–2
The Time of the End
12 “At that time shall arise Michael, the
great prince who has charge of your
people. And there shall be a time of
trouble, such as never has been since
there was a nation till that time. But at
that time your people shall be delivered,
everyone whose name shall be found
written in the book. 2 And many of those
who sleep in the dust of the earth
shall awake, some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting
contempt.

Now read verse two again, it say many of those who SLEEP IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH WILL BE AWAKE, what does it mean? They are ressurected with a new body both believers and unbelievers and it was AFTER this judgment they will be sent to hell. I hope this answer your question?

missKiffy:
Am a christian, so am not trying to be blasphemous here but it's kind of confusing when people say Christ is God, then why did John 3:16 said "for God so love the word that He gave His only son". His only son here being Jesus

Jesus is fully God and fully human;
Human because he has flesh.
God because the spirit of God is in Him.

When someone say"I am possessed by demon" what does this indicate? It indicate the fellow has two nature demon and human.but the different is that the demon always override his victim freewill. But in the case of Jesus God did not override his freewill, infacte when Jesus pray to the father, he pray as a man saying"take this cup from me NOT MY WILL BUT YOUR WILL BE DONE"

To your question concerning john 3:16 pleased read colossian, it's answer your question:

Colossians 1:15-23
The Supremacy of the Son of God

15 The Son is the image of the invisible
God, the firstborn over all creation. 16
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to
have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21 Once you were alienated from God
and were enemies in your minds
because of[ a] your evil behavior. 22 But
now he has reconciled you by Christ’s
physical body through death to present
you holy in his sight, without blemish
and free from accusation— 23 if you
continue in your faith, established and
firm, and do not move from the hope
held out in the gospel. This is the gospel
that you heard and that has been
proclaimed to every creature under
heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Rilwon:
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

yes, we are god because we are created in the image of God,BUT God spirit is in Jesus meaning Jesus has two nature, God and human.

It is well.

DeepSight:
Plaetton - - - - I say this very carefully, and please listen to it very carefully. I do not mean to insult you, so please take no insult.
What an old man sees sitting down, a young man cannot see standing on top of a tree.

Anony is younger than you - much younger actually - and the words he has spoken above deal such a devastating blow to your perception of anything, and show up your mind to be incredibly little and ungrown. Even unschooled.

However as I said, I do not mean to insult you, so I will not go any further.
I just hope that one day, in your old age, you will come back to see the wisdom in the few words this young man has said above.

And I know that you will kick yourself for it.
But it will take time.

Just calm down.

One day soon, you will get it.
It's simple.

True talk bro.

Scholar8200:
These three words - I am sorry- would prevent a lot of calamities.

A gentle answer deflects anger,
but harsh words make tempers flare.
Proverbs 15:1

true talk bro.

OMA4J,lalasticala. Why are you guys too bias? Why did you guys have to removed my topic once again? But the topics against christians are still here? Do you guys love to hide the truth? Or you find pleasure in lies? God will judge you if you do not stop this evil. This will be my LAST time in saying this.

Proverbs 4:14
Do not enter the path of the wicked And
do not proceed in the way of evil men.

Empiree:
@malvis, kindly briefly tell us with reference from your Bible the nature of bible God?.

@malvis, please tell us briefly claims Bible God made that no other god never made?

In the very first verse of the first chapter of the first book it says: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.” Acts 17:24 records: “God, who made the world and everything in it…He is Lord of heaven and earth.” Exodus 20:11 notes:
“For in six days the Lord made the
heavens and the earth, the sea, and all
that is in them.”
He is all-powerful. In Genesis 17:1, God told Abraham “I am Almighty God.”
He came before this material world,
fulfilling the criteria that the cause must
come before the effect. The psalmist
wrote:
“Before the mountains were
brought forth, or ever You had formed
the earth and the world, even from
everlasting to everlasting, You are
God” (Psalm 90:2).

And He definitely would instill within
mankind the concept of morality, since
He is a God of morals. Titus 1:2 says that
He cannot lie.

And He is a God who cannot tolerate sin, the ark of the covenant described the holiness of God.The Ark of the Covenant was an embodiment of God's presence with the Israelites. The atonement cover (or "mercy seat" that covered the ark was God's throne ( 2 Sam 6:2) and God's presence was above it (Lev 16:2); it was also the place where God met Moses and gave him commands ( Ex 25:22).