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EzioAuditore:
What?

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! You have got to admit, this is funny. But deep down you know what you did don't you?

EzioAuditore:
What?

tell me what I don't know!!!

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! You have got to admit, this is funny. But deep down you know what you did don't you?

tell me what I don't know!!!

Rilwayne001:
Which jewish book



Where



Please provide your reference for where jacob said terah repented.

this is the reason I say, you should follow the discussions, all what yoy ask, I provide it.

EzioAuditore:
Malvis! You have the smoking gun in your hands, don't give me an excuse to prevent you from using it. Just answer my friggin question, who translated Surah 19:71 in your post. Simple!

see, I will not reply you anymore,my post is there, if I refused to tell you, you should be able to qoute it for me. So your tactics is lame very lame indeed. Bye

Rilwayne001:
I don't have time to read anything.

All I know is Abraham's father was a pagan.

There were paganists from the lineage through which jesus allegedly came from i.e. some of his grand fathers were paganists.

if you read my post you will come to the post I say " Abraham father worship other God" caused he was afraid of the wickedness of the people this is from a Jewish book. Abraham destroyed the shrines and converted terah to worship his God.
And I went further to quote from the book of genesis where Jacob seek for justice for the God of his ancestor( his forefathers) so based on the information we got from Joshua terah was a pagan and based on the information we got from Jacob terah repented.

Rilwayne001:
Was Abraham's father a pagan or not?

read the discussions and then continue from where we stop.

EzioAuditore:
Answer mine, and I promise I will answer yours. Don't give me an excuse.

what kind of trick is this? I ask you a question first and you reply it with a question challenging me to answer before you could give me a reply?

Rilwayne001:
I thought I answered this a long time ago?

read the discussions again.

EzioAuditore:
Who translated Surah 19:71 in your post?

what is this?!?! Read my post and answer my question.

EzioAuditore
Scholars and many old Bible manuscripts reveal that the contents of the Bible available in Muhammad's time (570 - 632 A.D.) are nearly identical to those of today's Bible. And the Bible of Muhammad's time, the one endorsed
by the Quran , says that Jesus was not
just a prophet because He ACCEPTED
WORSHIP as GOD ( Matthew 8:2; 14:33;
28:9; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; 20:28-29).
Did Allah not knowing the believe of the christians before he promise them paradise?Allah even revealed that the former book (scripture) is a guidance to those who read it meaning it is capable of taking someone to heaven,in harmony of quran2:62 the christian promise to paradise is certain.thoes who read the scripture do not NO a god called Allah, they know there God very well as YEWEH and YET Allah say there book is a guidance to them, honestly Allah is confusing his own readers by twisting his revelation.

Any how you translate it, the quran promise HELL to pious muslims,and the radical muslims will go direct to heaven;

Surah 61:10-13: O ye who believe!
Shall I lead you to a bargain that
will SAVE YOU FROM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY? – That ye believe in Allah
and His Messenger, and that ye
STRIVE YOUR UTMOST IN THE CAUSED OF ALLAH, WITH YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR PERSON: That will be best for you, if
ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to Gardens
beneath which Rivers flow, and to
beautiful mansions in Gardens of
Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme
Achievement. And another favour will
He bestow, which ye do love, – help
from Allah and a speedy victory.
(Yusuf Ali)

Surah 19:71: “There shall be none of
YOU BUT shall descend into the same
(hell): This is an established decree
upon thy Lord.” (Sale)

Since all Muslims, including pious ones,
will have to spend a waiting-period in
Hell before reaching Paradise, Allah
made a bargain with Muslims. He told
them that if they die fighting for his
cause, he will forgive their sins and will
save them from the“GRIEVOUS PANALTY ” of Hell-fire. In other words, there is no
need to burn in Hell-fire until they are
rescued on the Day of Resurrection.
Paradise will be instant for those who die fighting for Allah.

Keep on deceiving your self with comfortably lies.

EzioAuditore:
This is what said verses say

19:71
Sahih International
And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.

19:72
Sahih International
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

The only people who will translate it as muslims actually going into hell are the christians who are now apparently trying to mess with our translation of the Quran. Lol! Okay

Again as mentioned earlier coming to it or approaching it refers to Siraat a hair thin rope above hell that all must pass through into heaven and sinners will fall but as the verse suggests, those who feared Allah will be saved.


As to your claim about the prayer spots on the forehead, you must be under the delusion that every muslim will automatically go to paradise. This refers to muslims whose sins outweigh their good deeds, but even with that, their forehead will not burn and they will not last in hell forever after they have suffered in hell for what they have done, they will be purified and sent to paradise.

Christians and other unbelievers however, not so much:

"Surely, those who disbelieve and did wrong; God will not forgive them, nor will He guide them to any way except the way of Hell, to dwell therein forever." (Quran 4:168-169)

Allah is not steady, quran 2:62 say christians and Jews will make heaven and now you provide a verse indicating Allah contradict himself.

Do you know Arabic more that sahih bukari?

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12,
Number 770:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The people
said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we
see our Lord on the Day of
Resurrection?” He replied, “Do you
have any doubt in seeing the full
moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?”
They replied, “No, O Allah’s Apostle!”
He said, “Do you have any doubt in
seeing the sun when there are no
clouds?” They replied in the negative.
He said, “You will see Allah (your
Lord) in the same way. On the Day of
Resurrection, people will be
gathered and He will order the
people to follow what they used to
worship. So some of them will follow
the sun, some will follow the moon,
and some will follow other deities;
and only this nation (Muslims) will be
left with its hypocrites. Allah will
come to them and say, ‘I am Your
Lord.’ They will say, ‘We shall stay in
this place till our Lord comes to us
and when our Lord will come, we will
recognize Him. Then Allah will come
to them again and say, ‘I am your
Lord.’ They will say, ‘You are our Lord.’
Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a
bridge) will be laid across Hell and
I (Muhammad) shall be the first
amongst the Apostles to cross it
with my followers. Nobody except
the Apostles will then be able to
speak and they will be saying then, ‘O
Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.’
There will be hooks like the thorns of
Sa’dan in Hell. Have you seen the
thorns of Sa’dan?” The people said,
“Yes.” He said, “These hooks will be
like the thorns of Sa’dan but nobody
except Allah knows their greatness in
size and these will entangle the
people according to their deeds;
some of them will fall and stay in Hell
forever; others will receive
punishment (torn into small pieces)
and will get out of Hell, till when Allah
intends mercy on whomever He likes
amongst the people of Hell, He will
order the angels to take out of Hell
those who worshipped none but
Him alone. The angels will take
them out by recognizing them from
the traces of prostrations, for Allah
has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat
away those traces. So they will
come out of the Fire, it will eat
away from the whole of the human
body except the marks of the
prostrations. At that time they will
come out of the Fire as mere
skeletons. The Water of Life will be
poured on them and as a result they
will grow like the seeds growing on
the bank of flowing water…”

LET ANALYZ THIS;

“O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we
see our Lord on the Day of
Resurrection?;>>>>this word indicate is the muslims who are asking muhammed(Allah apostle) if the will see their Lord(Allah).

" Then Allah will come
to them again and say, ‘I am your
Lord.’ They will say, ‘You are our Lord.’
Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a
bridge) will be laid across Hell and
I (Muhammad) shall be the first
amongst the Apostles to cross it
with my followers. Nobody except
the Apostles will then be able to
speak and they will be saying then, ‘O
Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.">>>>>this indicate Allah will come to the muslims and claimed to be there Lord and will laid a bridge across hell,muhammed will be the first to cross it and the people will cry for help "save us"

" He will
order the angels to take out of Hell
those who worshipped none but
Him alone. The angels will take
them out by recognizing them from
the traces of prostrations, for Allah
has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat
away those traces. ">>>>in response to their cry (save us) Allah will send his angels who will carry out the rescue operation and Allah angels will recognised them by the make of prostration.
You don't save sinner in hell,do you? You save righteous, what will make a righteous man go to hell? This is satanic deception, another way satan is leading you guys to hell, in the bible,Jesus promise us heaven, accepts it and be saved.

frank317:
Why? How does an adult playing with his dicckk affect ur God?

is not a sin? Christians regard it as sin( but according to you) it's not a sin. I want you to make a conclusion, between christians(who say it sin) and atheists (who say it not a sin) who self-service the most?infacte William
Lane Craig ask challenge hitchen to condemned
Bestiality but he refused

" Bestiality is the act of engaging In s'exual
relations with an animal."
http://www.conservapedia.com/Christopher_Hitchens_on_bestiality

EzioAuditore all what you copy and paste is trash,Surah 19:71 say everyone including believers and non believers will be taken to HELL
And then Surah 19:72: say Allah will leave the evil doer in there and rescue the pious ones.however the rescue operation is due until judgment day, and muhammed will be the first to came out from HELL and the faithful muslims will follow as well.

The word “Then” (Thumma) used in this
verse exemplify that there is a chronological order of events. First the
entry into Hell. “Then” being saved from
it. Note the wordings of Surah 19:72: “We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching
there.” You only “rescue” someone who
is in some kind of danger. However, this
rescue operation will only take place on
“Judgment Day.” Until then – for centuries – pious Muslims will be
consumed by fire. Only the dark spots on the skin of their foreheads caused by
years of prostration to Allah will escape
the effects of the fire. This is Allah’s
reward for their faithful prayers to him.

EzioAuditore:
It seems stupidity is not limited to the christians on this forum, smh. That's what I'm talking about malvis! More, I'm really bored!

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be TAKEN TO HELL .” (Sarwar)

“There is not one of you who shall not
pass through the confines of
HELL.” (Dawood)

And the very next verse tells us:

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall rescue those who kept from evil,
and leave the evil-doers crouching
there.” (Pickthall)

“Afterwards (Thumma) we will
deliver those who shall have been
PIOUS, but we will leave the ungodly
therein on their knees.” (Sale)

And the hadith and muslims interpretation of the above verse confirmed it;

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:
“They (the angels) would recognise
them in the Fire by the marks of
prostration , for Hell-fire will devour
everything (limb) of the sons of
Adam except the marks of
prostration. Allah has forbidden the
fire to consume the marks of
prostration. They will be taken out
of the Fire having been burnt …”
Al-Jalalayn’s Tafsir on Surah 19:71
(“Not one of you but will pass through
it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree
which must be accomplished” ), gives
the following clarification:
“Not one” means that there will be
none. “Of you” means all people.
“But will pass through” means the
entry into hell. “A decree which
must be accomplished” means it is
a certainty and a judgment from
which Allah will not relent.
(Translated from Arabic) Source:
http://www.al-islam.com.

EzioAuditore:
Actually you dumb prick, its the other way round, but let me indulge you, bring forth your proof.

read here, the quran and hadith supported it plus Islamic translations.
http://bibleandquran.com/hell.htm

Abuamam:
The Quran is Arabic. Find me the definition in ARABIC and we move on from there.

if the Arabic meaning of swear is different from the English translations, you should have provide the evidence long ago, do your research and what ever evidence you find, let it be sealed in your heart. Thank you.

I gave you evidence that Jacob pray for the forefathers of Abraham but you still insist that terah worship idols, even if we are to agree with you just for argument sake, Abraham did not worship his father gods unlike muhammed who worship not only his father gods but his family gods which is Allah.it was the continuation of this worship in the cave that the demon disguise angel Gabriel visit him.

Abuamam:
Did Allah say it was 'another entity'? Or are you trying to add to our Quran the way you tried to add to your bible?

English dictionary defined swear as;
To make a solemn declaration,
invoking a deity or a sacred person or
thing, in confirmation of and witness to
the honesty or truth of such a
declaration.

Who did Allah invoked or called to bear witnesses to?

Abuamam:
Poor Jacob was not told by the Lord (as Joshua was), that Terah was an idol worshipper. An honest error. We can't really blame him.

Of course, the whole verse might be interpolated, and 'not found in the oldest, least unreliable sources' as much of the bible seems to be.

and the same God did not correct him if he was praying to other gods?

Abuamam:
He swore by Himself, the Glorious Lord of East and West... and North and South and everywhere else... no matter how much the unbelievers hate it.

You know, I am really disappointed in you. You tried to add to the bible. Sinful, sinful.

And I swear by thy Lord, we will
surely gather together them and
the Satans: then will we set them on
their knees round Hell: S. 19:68
Rodwell
By the Lord then of the heaven and
of the earth, I swear that this is the
truth, even as ye speak yourselves.
S. 51:23 Rodwell
But nay! I swear by the Lord of the
Easts and the Wests that We are
certainly able S. 70:40
In all these verses we can see Allah
swearing by ANOTHER ENTITY, so
who is THE LORD that Allah sworn by
in these verses? Or is Allah taking a oath for himself?

EzioAuditore:
I have been waiting for this ignorant twit to join the fray, took you long enough.

am here, so what do you want?

Abuamam:
You are confused? It must be your 'holy' spirit that is possessing you. Cast it out.

Allah is the Almighty. He can swear by Himself; as Lord of the Easts and Wests; or He can swear by any thing of His creation that He wishes. He cannot be held to any account.

trash!!! Do you know the meaning of "swear"? Ok!! The verse went all the way and say "LORD OF THE EAST AND WEST " who is this Lord of the east that Allah swore to?

Abuamam:
You are quoting from the non-canonical apocrypha? The book of Jubilees; no less? Does your duplicity have no bounds? Shame on you. Do you seek to add non-accepted words to the Bible just to prove a point?



So you say. Evidence my boy. E-v-i-d-e-n-c-e.

And no more of that previous duplicity, if you please.




Nope. It implies Jacob BELIEVED that Nahor and Abraham's father worshipped the Almighty. Joshua on the other hand, was explicitly TOLD by the Lord, that Terah worshipped idols; ref Joshua 24:2.

Abraham father worship idols, but he repented because if he did not, Jacob wouldn't have pray to the God of his forefathers.

EzioAuditore:
If I say I hope it doesn't, does that make me a bad muslim? Honestly, I want to see this dimwit burn in hell.

the truth is that Allah has already promise All muslims hell. When you die, hell is your destination, I do not say this, the quran and hadith say it.

Abuamam:
Allah is the Beneficient the Merciful. The Almighty Lord of all Creation in the heavens and on earth. He is One, the Unique. He begets not through mortal women, nor was He begotten out of the birth canal of a mortal woman... and there are none that bear resemblance to Him.


The Devil? Allah warns me that he is my avowed enemy; dozens of times in the Quran, unlike other 'scriptures', corrupted by Satan to hide his true role in the fall of mankind. I know that his deception leads to hellfire, which is why I fear for you unbelievers, who follow the corruptions that he has laid down for you to enslave you. However, what must be must be; and it is written that the devil will snare many. We Muslims can only warn you of the spiritual destruction that you are heading towards. Only you can save yourselves and make an effort to strive towards the light of Islam.

What, is every man of them eager to
be admitted to a Garden of Bliss? Not
so; for We have created them of
what they know. No! I SWEAR by the
Lord of the Easts and Wests, surely
We are able to substitute a better
than they; We shall not be
outstripped. S. 70:38-41

Notice just how confusing this is. Allah
swears by the Lord of the easts and
wests, says that he will seek no other
judge besides God and that he gave the
book that Muhammad’s Lord sent down!

http://answeringislam.org/Quran/Miracle/not_so_eloquent.html

Abuamam:
Then your bible is lying, or you are...

Read Joshua 24:2

Better still let me read it to you...

2 Joshua said to all the people, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Long ago your ancestors, INCLUDING TERAH THE FATHER OF ABRAHAM and Nahor, lived beyond the Euphrates River and WORSHIPPED OTHER GODS.

yes, terah worship other gods out of fear;

And his father said unto him, "I also
know it, my son, but what shall I do with
a people who have made me to serve
before them? 7. And if I tell them the
truth, they will slay me; for their soul
cleaveth. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jub/jub29.htm

Abraham father worship idols out of fear, but after
Abraham destroyed the idols, he convert and worship the true God;

Genesis 31:53
May the God of Abraham and the God of
Nahor, the God of THEIR FATHER , judge
between us." So Jacob took an oath in
the name of the Fear of his father Isaac.

This verse implies Jacob run to the God of his forefathers(TERAH) to seek justice.

This same cannot be said of muhammed father and grand father.

negativecreep:
I will say this much, "he's" a "jealous" "god" he "loves" his "own" creations of "mine" and "u" ,"we" "had" the "choice" of which "path" to "take" its up to "all" of "us" if we on the "right" path, that is "if" we are on the "right" path for "either" way "we" do "see" his "material" face.

are you a christian or muslim? Agnostics?

Abuamam:
The same as the religion of Abraham's father and grandfather, o foolish one. Now what?

No insults intended. Just telling the honest truth.

the father of Abraham is not a pagan worshipper.

negativecreep:
"its" something of "understanding" either u do or u don't as said "seek" and u shall "find" .

thank you for your advice.





All that I seek is Jesus, which I've found.

negativecreep:
Yeah and then it wasn't long and those "bloody" "robots" started "shooting" back at us .

I don't understand what you mean here.

truthman2012:
Since they know the truth but abhoring it, they are to be pitied. Jesus said it would have been better such people were not born.

exactly my brother,woe to the world because of offence,offence will come but woe to that man who cometh from, it is better such man is not born. God bless you.

@op.Genesis 1:26-27
'And God said, Let us make MAN in our
image, after our likeness.... So God
created man in His own image, in the
image of God created He him; MALE AND FEMALE created He them'

God can be reffere to male or female,but the reason why God chose to revealed his identity as male is because male is created first before woman but it is no big deal if God revealed his identity as female because both MALE AND FEMALE were created in His IMAGE meaning God can be identified in both case. So man - represents MANKIND entirely - aka humanity which includes
males and females .

johnydon22:
same you said this..



i don't think more need saying. . . Your words alone are enough and have said it all... Contradicting yourself anyhow..
This whatvyou get when someone wants to determine and dictates what he thinks is the mind of a mythical entity.

do I need to teach you how to used common sense?( Sorry) have you not seen believers died ? Is another way of God protecting the believers for the denger ahead , enouch was obedient to God, why dint God destroyed the wicked and Allow enouch to live as he did to Noah? God protect the believers and some he called them home.