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udatso:
When if he reads it a thousand times, he would still have you a no and yes reply. He is like a programmed individual. I am surprised his friends truthman2012 true2god Ifeann kay1one2 have left him here to take the heat alone. Now that I have called them, it won't be long. They will give you their answers

believe me, if you think I am under pressure, you are wrong, infacte, I am having the perfect time of my break.

Pr0ton:
Pointing out another contradiction?

Where Banky W?

I don't understand you.

Pr0ton:
Why would I say I don't hear?

It would be I don't understand what I heard. Or I don't understand.

that's the points Paul is indicating, I don't understand what I hear is the nearest to say I don't hear. Let me give you an example;

The closer atheists have admits God exist is this, when you ask an atheist, what happened before the big bang? The answer is 'I don't know'. In other word, God did it.
"did they hear the voice?yes, what did it say? If there reply was ' we do not understand,it will look like embarrassment to them, instead they say to Paul we do not hear the voice"

Note: acts chapter 9 was the actual incident but verse 22 was after the event.

cupid1:
it is wisdom that made me question some events in the bible and still believe in the existence of a supreme being. I think you need that wisdom, u might have a bit of knowledge, but that isn't wisdom. And About being physical, lemme put it in lay man's terms- if to say you dey my side now, e don tey wey you for chop slap. But luckily for you, you aren't. Do have a nice night, sweet dreams

what event did you question?

cupid1:
when u spoke about the bolded words i thought you were going to offer unbiblical proof, instead all i get is insults, yeah that's the average christian for you. I don't have time for E-battles as i see that's what you were aiming to start. I'm more of a physical person, not excessive talking

your first post say "you believe in God" and your reply to the friend that created this thread was;
"neither do you have any proof to show God exists."
Since you believe in God, can you proved the existence of God?
Note: I am a christian.

johnydon22:
Then the answer should simply have been "NO" since the devils didn't necessary need the holy spirit to believe in Jesus, then it clearly shows their are circumstances when u dont need d holy spirit to believe in Jesus..

Plaetton question was
Having the devil scenario in mind.

Your answer should have been simply [size=20] NO[/size] ...

to you, only the devil is involved so the answer soppose to be no. even sinner believe in Jesus, does that mean the holy spirit is upon them? Smh

johnydon22:
Yes and No... Yes and No to one question? am dead !!!

Now thats another contradiction

after I gave an example in both case, you still called it contradiction? Demon believe in Jesus does that mean the HOLY spirit is in him? Smh

plaetton:
By whom
By stealthy dodging?

You are hilarious.

We understand your confusion.
Just say you don't know.

the answer is yes and no.
YES;
Demon acknowledge Jesus as the Lord , but not as their saviour,infacte it is because of knowing Jesus is Lord that why satan came to tempt Him, remember the parable of the sower? The evil men say this is the HAIR coming let us kill him and the vineyard will be our.the key point here is that they acknowledge Jesus as the hair to the throne but they did not received him as their king.
NO;
It is the Holy Spirit who imparts and
makes effective within the believer a new nature. new nature is a total
transformation of the believer's make-up and identify.The believer is at this point "born from above" ( John 3:3) and is actually a"new creature" (2Corinthians 5:17). This impartation of, or giving of, eternal life is experienced by all who accept Christ as their Savior.you cannot have the holy spirit and reject Jesus.it does not make sense, Jesus and the holy spirit are ONE in image.

plaetton:
Lol.
This is not an answer.
The question requires a simple and direct yes or no.
Please answer the question.

your question has been answer positively.

plaetton:
Can one have the holy spirit without believing in or accepting Jesus Christ ?

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the
Holy Spirit.

plaetton:
You said that we need to read the bible with the holy spirit, or in spiriti, in order to understand it.
Did you not?

yes, and how do this comment indicate the bible is not inspired?

Rilwayne001:
Take it easy, you are shooting me with this your blatherskite english.

What 80000 billion sect are you talking about?

Which religion killed themselves?



Whats your question? and did the biblical holy spirit cause(ed) confusion in christiandom or not?

very good, it is clear you do not even know what you are talking about. I ask you to tell me about the holy spirit in the quran, and you reply my question with a question, Nigerian man for you.

The muslims are to embarrassed to view this thread, uptil now no one is able to answer the op.the door is wide open for everyone to come, revelation 3:
20 say
" Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the
door, I will come in to him, and will sup
with him, and he with me."

Rilwayne001:
The holy spirit in the Quran is not the one that lead christianity to over 44000sects, not the one that inspired the anonymous writers of the bible to write inconsistent and contradictory fables.

you are very right. Christians and muslims have nothing in common,can 800000 billion sect live in peace while the rest religion killed them selves? I ask you a simple question, who was the holy spirit in the quran and you came up with this trash.

View this thread and see the disgusting acts of muhammed https://www.nairaland.com/2271492/how-muhammad-violating-quran-impunity

udatso:
You should have just told him that since from the beginning when I advised you. Now he won't have anything to tell you since he is /won't be in the spirit.

you have no idea what you are talking about, are you not a muslims? According to the quran, who is the holy spirit? An active force or a person?

Pr0ton:
You don't understand the voice doesn't mean you haven't heard the voice

if your teacher ask you a question but you did not pay attention and you understand he ask you a question, what will be your reply? I DON'T HEAR,wheras you know he say something.

plaetton:
WTF !

So, the bible was neither inspired nor written for ordinary folks like me, not to mention folks with a curious skeptical mind?

So one has to believe in Jesus first, before one gets to read about the teachings of Jesus in bible ?

That is a new and interesting twist to what is already confusing.

how do you guys read post on nairaland? Most of the site I have visit, only this site are too bias,it is because of this type of habit foreigners will be afraid to associate them self with Nigerian .were in my post I indicate the bible is not inspired by God?as a mature men we need to be truthful.

plaetton:
So there are different ways of reading a book?
Which ways did you read your books to understand and pass your exams while in school?

Now, are you saying that the wat one reads the bible in one's Bible Knowledge course is quite different from the way reads same Bible during Sunday school?

the bible is not a text book, there are many forestshadowing event that you need the holy spirit to teach you, the old testament forestshadow event that will happened both in the new testament and present generation, but if you read this with a bias mind, you will never understand it.

Abuamam:
Find me any scholar of Islam or tafseer that understands those verses the way you implied. Tell me, do you speak Arabic? What do you know about the meaning of a word in a language you do not even understand?
.

does this mean you don't understand the verse the op quote? If you understand, answer the op .

Abuamam:
You and your kind are the only ones who see clear violations; deliberately mistranslating the evidence to pretend you are knowledgeable. Your op is crap. As they say...

"Haters will see you walking on water and say it's just because you can't swim".

trash, all the quranic verse is soo clear, what type of translations you want from the op? Allah set his command and muhammed break it, who are to blame? Allah for setting a difficult command or muhammed for breaking it ?David a man after God heart, David violate God command and God punished him. God send a prophet to prophesied for ahab and God oder the prophet not to eat from the kings table,but the prophet disobeyed God command , a wild beast attack him. Is this the same God that will allow muhammed to commit adultery? NO, keep on deceiving your self.

Pr0ton:
Haha.. Is that the way you get around problem? Stop skipping and calm down to see the contradictions

there is no contradiction, the reason you say this is because you do not read the bible for enlightening instead you are looking for argument in it.I hear a voice and do not understand,it better to say 'I do not hear a voice'.

EzioAuditore:
Smh! Is it not being purified today? In a place where a prophet has not been for hundreds probably a thousand or more of years, what do you expect to happen? Even after God saved the Jews from the Egyptians immediately didn't they turn to idol worship while Moses was away? God has kept his promise, and the kaabah is being purified just as mentioned in the Quran.

As to the synagogue in Jerusalem, read, I think you also said Muhammad didn't perform any miracles right? Here's one more.

30, Awf Ibn Malik relates, "I went to the Prophet (saw) during the battle of Tabuk while he was sitting in a leather tent. He said, 'Awf, Count six signs, between now and the approach of the Hour (Qiyamah/Doomsday): my death, the conquest of Al-Quds (Jerusalem); a plague that will afflict you (and kill you in great numbers) as the plague that afflicts sheep; the increase of wealth to such an extent that even if one is given 100 hundred Dinars (Arabian currency), he will not be satisfied; then an affliction which no Arab house will escape; and then a truce between you and Banu Asfar (i.e. Byzantines) who will betray you and attack you under eighty flags. Under each flag will be twelve thousand soldiers". (Bukhari)

31, Shadad Ibn Aws (ra) reports that the Prophet (saw) said, "l-Sham will be conquered and Al-Quds (Jerusalem) will be conquered and you or your sons will be Imams there, if Allah will". (Tabarani)

Allah made the house and purify it YET muhammed pray toward Jerusalem,why? By the time muhammed oder muslims to pray facing the kaba,the kaba was still housing 360 idols, why will muhammed pray towards pagan shrine?

EzioAuditore:
Why did God allow Muslims to conquer the synagogue in Jerusalem? Why does God allow muslims(since we are acolytes of satan) to go into masjid al aqsa and pray to a false God? Malvis, you have no points here, we prayed towards Jerusalem until God sent further revelations to turn our heads toward the Kaaba. The fact that there are 360 pagan idols in there is not an issue, we do not worship the house of God, but rather it's a focal point for all prayers, I thought we already had this discussion?

the destruction of the synagogue in Jerusalem was prophesied by Daniel which come to pass, but the quranic verse I provide say Allah himself made the house and purify it, do you know the meaning of purify? that's soppose to be the symbol of Allah holiness and YET the pagan worship there gods in there, why?

plaetton:
Still baloney.

First, you are still conceding that the bible, god's inspired and dictated works, are confusing due to translation issues.
This is a good start at being truthful. Bravo.

Second, where are the original transcripts or manuscripts from whence we got these confusing translations?
Who had them last, when?

If any part of the bible is mistranslated, then shouldn't the entire work be suspect, and not to be relied upon?

there are thousands of manuscripts, you can visit the London museum and the vertican, when you read the English translations and are confused, search the web for the original meaning of the KEY word and when you do, it will clear your doubt.

EzioAuditore:
No! The fact that you can't give a substantial argument to disprove Muhammad or the Quran strengthens my faith. At least by now I know I've made you understand that the next time you celebrate Christmas, you're actually celebrating a pagan holiday, you can't shake that. All in all, I know I have achieved part of my goal. I have created curiosity in your head, you want to know more about Islam and Christianity and that's good because the more you learn, the closer you come to the truth.

muhammed is a false prophet, muhammed cannot be a prophet send by God, All the commandment God set, muhammed violate it,

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
THE HOUSE (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
PURIFY MY HOUSE for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

This verse is saying , Allah build the Ka’ba centuries before the time
of Judaism and Christianity. It was
supposedly restructured later by
Abraham and Ishmael. The Ka’ba also
known as “Baitullah” means “House of
Allah.” Now, how did the “House of
Allah” which was “made by Allah”
become a pagan temple housing 360
pagan idols? How can a House of God
become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why
did Allah allow this to occur to his place
of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical or
theological reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem – unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.if you open your heart and answer this question, you will notice there are satanic manipulation in the quran
, satan is using the quran to do battle with the true God.

plaetton:
Eff-ing bulkshyte.

So everyone in the world is required to be fluent in Hebrew and Greek to understand message of god as written in the bible?

Funny that you are conceding that some parts of the bible(god's word) contain falsehoods not inspired by god.
Very interesting indeed.

Hhhmm!
I Wonder what parts if the bible we find these falsehoods.

Could it be the virgin birth, the miracles, the Crucifixion, the resurrection, or the ascension?

And these were all part of god's plan?

Gosh!

you guys are bias, if you want to learn yoruba you will have to learn every word first.the bible is translated in Greek Hebrew and Aramic , you will have to understand the meaning of each word before you made your conclusion, let me give you an example of hausa language;

Ina kwana in English is good morning but when you look into it once again; ina kwana soppose to be " where you sleep". This is what the op soppose to understand, every languages has this problems.I can give you thousands of example and contradiction in hausa language that people have no problems with.

plaetton:
This pure baloney, and it amazes me that you do not recognize the glaring contradictions in what you write.

Why would a wise god who is all knowing, who created the languages that we understand and speak not inspire a written work that should not require deciphering?

Does that mean that god didn't know how to express himself in simple Hebrew, Greek, roman, or English?

Funny that you don't see how silly it sounds that god gave Paul something to decipher for humanity, and then Paul ended up making a mess of it.
Lol.

the bible is the word of God but there is some verse the writer add there opinion and also, it will be difficult to reconciled English meaning and Hebrew or Greek together. Before you conclude your opinion on contradiction, check for the possible answer to you question, you must know the Hebrew and Greek word of every words, good evening.

PASSAGES THAT SAY CHRIST DIED FOR ALL MEN;
1 Timothy 2:5-6, "For there is one
God, and one mediator between
God and men, the man Christ
Jesus; Who gave himself a
RANSOM FOR ALL, to be testified in
due time."

1 John 4:14, "And we have seen
and do testify that the Father
sent the Son to be the SAVIOUR OF
THE WORLD."

Hebrews 2:9, "But we see
Jesus...that he by the grace of
God should taste death for EVERY MAN."

2 Corinthians 5:14-15, "For the
love of Christ constraineth
us...And that HE DIED FOR ALL..."

John 1:29, "...Behold the Lamb of
God, which taketh away the sin
of the WORLD."

1 John 2:2, "And he is the
propitiation for our sins: and not
for ours only, but also for the
sins of the WHOLE WORLD ."
PASSEGES THAT SAY CHRIST DIED FOR HIS PEOPLE,ASSEMBLY;
Matthew 20:28, "Even as the Son
of man came not to be
ministered unto, but to minister,
and to give his life a ransom for
MANY."

Matthew 26:28, "For this is my
blood of the new testament,
which is shed for MANY for the
remission of sins."

Luke 1:68, "Blessed be the Lord
God of Israel; for he hath visited
and redeemed HIS PEOPLE ,"

Luke 22:20, "Likewise also the
cup after supper, saying, This
cup is the new testament in my
blood, which is shed for YOU."

Acts 20:28, "Take heed therefore
unto yourselves, and to all the
flock, over the which the Holy
Ghost hath made you overseers,
to feed THE ASSEMBLY OF GOD
which he hath purchased with
his own blood."

WHICH IS TRUE?
Well, they both are true (when these
scriptures are used together), and
they both are false (if one claims either one is true or the other). To say that Christ died only for His elect is to contradict the verses that say he died for all men, in addition to contradicting what Peter says by inspiration in 2 Peter 2:1-4. Peter talked about false teachers who were "even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves." He clearly states that those who teach such "destructive heresies" and those who follow after them will be lost, even though Jesus had paid the price for their salvation.
Others argue that if Christ died for all,
then all are saved. If He paid the price for all, then all have been redeemed. If Christ is truly the propitiation for all, then God's demands are satisfied for all. But they forget one vital detail: not all accept the gift! The debt has surely
been paid for all by Christ, but not all
choose to put on Christ (Galatians
3:26-27).

LET US LOOK INTO THE VERSE THAT BRING THIS TWO TOGETHER;
1 Timothy 4:10, "For therefore we
both labour and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living
God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN
,SPECIALLY OF THOES THAT BELIEVE."

Yes, You see, salvation is conditional.
Christ died for all men, but not all
believe and accept His gift of salvation. Therefore, this answers the dilemma of how Christ died for all men and for his people at the same time! Yes, he died for all men, and salvation is a gift offered to all men, but only those who choose Christ will have salvation.

plaetton:
Lol.
..and the divine inspiration is what is causing the confusion?
Is that your point?

yes, to the canal minded man,the word of God is foolishness to them, the reason why there is soo much controversy surrounding Paul is because Paul teach what other prophet preach, and to do this, he need to break it down.to understand the teaching of Paul you need to be guided by the holy spirit,a teachable spirit.

Pr0ton:
This is another argument for another thread. You can create a thread for it.

this thread has been around for a while, https://www.nairaland.com/1981918/did-paul-invent-christianity

plaetton:
If the bible is is god-inspired and god-dictated, it would be necessary for a mere mortal like to try to explain plain contradictions in it, whether it is related to Greek meaning or Hebrew meanings.

A god-inspired work should have no contradictions whatsoever.

let me past my second post on this thread.

" The Bible must be the invention either of
good men or angels, bad men or devils,
or of God. However, it was not written by
good men, because good men would not
tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it
was not written by bad men because
they would not write about doing good
duty, while condemning sin, and
themselves to hell; thus, it must be
written by divine inspiration."

johnydon22:
Hahahahahaha i mean am impressed at the glaring lie.. How can you even bear uttering such stuff in public.

How can hearing something but not seeing still amount to not hearing it... Woooow am still impressed

it is you guys here don't understand, hearing a word and you do not understand it meaning or see the man who is talking is as good as not hearing anything, that was what the Greek word of Akouo mean, and the two verse are related to this same meaning.