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Rilwayne001:
No doubt you are just too dull, and your name is mumu , who is talking about 32,000 virgins. you need to go for a lobotomy for you are serious suffering from minimal brain dysfunction.

The OP is clear enough for anybody carrying a viable brain, but fir dullards like you, its a no no...smh.




We are not talking about any benjamin, open your eyes mooncalf



Same old shii...open you bible to Number 31:to the end


Same old shii...open you bible to Number 31:to the end



I've not deceive anybody here, those other guys are even much more knowledgeable than you.




please don't go, this thread was opened because of you amd you havent fulfil your promise of clearing my doubts

all this insult YET no verse that say 32 virgin is for GOD?
You quote number 31:28 and left out 29 how do you expect us to know who will had the 32 virgin?
Num 31:29.29take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the
priest, as an offering to the LORD.



(28) And levy a tribute unto the Lord.—Literally, and
thou shalt lift up (or, heave), &c. The portion
assigned to the priests, which was taken from the
prey that fell to the lot of the warriors, and which is
described in Numbers 31:29 as “the heave offering
of the Lord,” was one-five-hundredth part of the
maidens and of the cattle which had fallen to their
share. The maidens were probably employed as
slaves, and the cattle used for the maintenance of
the priests. Inasmuch, then, as the entire booty
consisted of 32,000 maidens, 675,000 small cattle,
72,000 oxen, and 61,000 asses, the portion which fell
to the lot of the 12,000 warriors was 16,000
maidens, 337,500 sheep and goats, 36,000 oxen, and
30,500 asses, of which the portion of the priests was
32 maidens, 675 sheep and goats, 72 oxen, and 61
asses.

yazach:
Read it from the OP it is clearly quoted

lol. Copy and paste it for me.

yazach:
I am still waiting for a direct answer to the op

What I noticed is that some people are trying to derail the topic, instead of addressing the op's question, they are changing it to other religion

provide the verse that say God want 32 virgin as the op say.

GooseBaba:
You keep exposing the foolishness of your god..

Answer simple question "what did your god do with 32 virgins " instead you are trying to link african science with arabian super story...

Then you posted a link that shows the chosen people of your god that went to war because their fellow isrealites wanted to rape a man, but after persuasion they decided to rape a young woman to death.

They were angry because a concubine that belongs to one of theirs was raped to death, and your god bless them in battle. But they see nothing wrong in kidnapping other people's daughters and raping them in the name of marriage..

It shows Yahweh and allah have no respect for women folks.. They are vultures of the same madness.

Smh.... Meanwhile, death to Islam and Christianity in Nigeria ashe..!!

1. Quote the verse that say 32.000(not 32) virgin is for God.
2. It was not God that send them to go and capture this virgin, they don't want to break there vow because their brother( benjamin tribe) is diminish from israel, they lay wait for the daughters of shilloh before they capture them.

The op confused all of you guys, he select some verses from deutoronomy that state the judgment against the moab and miss it with the verses from judges that say the children of isreal captured virgin, unknown to the op,it was not God that send the isrealite to captured the virgins,they did it to saved the last tribe of benjamin,deutorunomy was talking about the judgment of idol worshippers.

For the sake of sincerity, reason with me, the op is trekking you guys,you are bigger than this bros. Read the book of deutorunomy and judges , you find out that they are talking difference thing,I ask him to provide verse that say God want the 32 virgin but he could not. Thank you for your time.

The op can deceive anybody that is not scriptural sound, BUT NOT ME.
Unfollow thread.

frosbel:
I pledge that from 2015 I will :


- No longer treat God's people like my personal property for they are the sheep of God and he paid a ransom for them.

- Convert most of the wealth of the church into money and provide for the needy as Jesus also admonished the rich man to do in Matt 19:21

- Never ever preach the lie of tithes, firstfruits, seed offering , pastor birthday fund , partnership etc to my congregation again because these false concepts cannot be supported with scripture.

- Get a Job and start earning income for me and my family , because the bible says if any man cannot provide for this family he is worse than an infidel.

- Listen to and take advice from my congregation even if it means correcting wrong ideas and practices for we are all equal before Christ.

- Stop acting as the husband of the women in church by usurping the position of the husband for the married ones and christ for the single
ladies. If I have abused my position by sleeping with any of these women I repent and will make restitution.

- Not actively involve myself in the personal natural details of the lives of my members and arrogate to myself the authority of making sensitive decisions in marriage, career etc, on their behalf.

- Denounce the one man leadership show and will appoint multiple pastors to support me in nurturing and taking care of God's sheep as patterned in the early church.

- Stop my church from 'fornicating' with the world , especially with business men and politicians.

- No longer preach doctrines and hold them as idols , I will instead preach Christ and him crucified

- Stop using the term 'my church' because it is God's church not mine.

- Set-up counselling sessions to help those I have abused knowingly or unknowingly as a Pastor

- Stop all weird practices such as slain in the spirit etc.

- Shift our church's focus to alleviating the burden of the weak, poor , dejected, oppressed, downtrodden and helpless.

- Preach the kingdom of God as the only hope for a fallen and wicked world.

- Offer all my services for free for the bible says freely you have received so freely give.

- Stop using fear tactics such as HELL Fire to terrorise my church members.

- Stop spreading hate on Muslims atheists and others ,and instead encourage love to ALL MEN.

thank you for this, God bless you.

I want to be clear here.
I read some of your post, you don't agree with some of the interpretation of the bible, but the op quote some passages of the same bible which I believe he agree with.

Deuteronomy 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe
to do it: thou shalt not ADD thereto, nor
DIMINISH from it.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield
unto them that put their trust in him. ADD
thou not unto his words, lest he reprove
thee, and thou be found a liar.
Revelation ends with these verses:
For I testify unto every man that heareth
the words of the prophecy of this book, If
any man shall add unto these things, God
shall add unto him the plagues that are
written in this book: And if any man shall
take away from the words of the book of
this prophecy, God shall take away his part
out of the book of life, and out of the holy
city, and [from] the things which are written
in this book.

Thank you once again for this thread.

iamord:
I know the op is using this points to tackle Christianity and defend islam . And so far none of the Christians. Have answered his questions and allegations.. Everyone beating around the bush. And trying to shift and intelligently attack.. Exposing a lot of hypocrisy and blind faith. But if u look at it with an unbiased view.. You can see that we defend what we don't know. The same thing you accuse islam of , Christianity is also guilty of..

this is very simple, the op accused God of murdering innocent people, and keep for Himself 32.000 virgin, I ask him, what was the reason God order for there killing , the op give a verse deu 20:16 and he stop in verse 17 ,why? Because verse 18 say the reason God order for their killing, they were teaching the isrealite the way of idol worshipping and to sacrifice sons to there gods.

The tribe of benjamin are diminishing from israel because they did evil in the sight of they Lord,they killed a innocent girl,then the rest of the tribe of israel go against them and make a vow never to give the tribe of benjamin there women for marriage,but when the tribe of benjamin repent the other tribe were afraid to break the vow they made to God(they vow never to give the tribe of benjamin wives) instead they attack the cannanite and size there virgin keep 32.000 virgin for the tribe of benjamin. To know the whole story read here
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+19-21

philfearon:
You know,am still waiting for you to answer the last question I asked you?
Did you run away or just neglected it?

mr satanist, which question is that.

Rilwayne001:
Read out Numbers 31:40 with the earlier context and tell me what the tribute to the Lord his...then tell me what he did with them..shikena

and I repeat quote the verse that say 32 virgin is for God or bow your head in sham.

Don't worry am busy now, I will come and give you the detail why God ask them to keep the virgin,the tribe of banjamin are the last tribe, they did evil in the sight of they Lord,even there brother from other tribe war against the benjamine tribe infact in judges the other brothers of isreal swon to the lord never to give the banjamin tribe there women for marraige. but saul reconcile them and the pray to God for forgiveness, but because they have swon to God they don't want to break there vow so they pray to God and God other them to take the virgin of the reprobate nation, do you know the meaning of reprobat? A nation that has been judge, no amount of preaching can set there mind straight(just like you). The 32.000 virgin are for the benjamin tribe

You come here to misinterprete the bible, ye son of perdition. God will judge you because you called Him murderer of innocent soul.

Rilwayne001:
There are already people living in Canaan. They are natives of that lands. God can change their ways i.e stop them from worshipping idols by sending them a prophet to preach to them. Carrying out genocide on them should never be the answer, the question you ought to ask yourself is that of what essence are those prophets sent to some generations in the past if not to preach to people to abandon idol worshipping, and tell me the next thing they do is to kill their children women..in short killing everything that breathes in other to explain to them that idol worshipping is bad .



The above is the reason why i always refrain from discussing with you, you lack manners. Everyone saw how tallesty presented is opinion without insulting anybody or call muslims idol worshipper. try and emulate him.



Stop saying rubbish, Deuteronomy is clear enough, israelite are planning to take over their lands. Do you think Nigeria will fold her arms if Ghana is planning to take over her

this were your foolishness begin, abraham live in cannan ,they would have here the message of God from abraham,why did they then decided to worship idol? Are you in support of ther idolatry? Am very sure you are in support of the deed of this people becaus why dint you quote verse 18 of that book of
Here is vere 18. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in
worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the
Lord your God.

You open your mouth and called this people innocent, wonder shall never end, not surprising muhammed sanction the practices of paganism in islam.

plaetton:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/





Did a man called Jesus of Nazareth walk the earth? Discussions over whether the figure known as the “Historical Jesus” actually existed primarily reflect disagreements among atheists. Believers, who uphold the implausible and more easily-dismissed “Christ of Faith” (the divine Jesus who walked on water), ought not to get involved.

Numerous secular scholars have presented their own versions of the so-called “Historical Jesus” – and most of them are, as biblical scholar J.D. Crossan puts it, “an academic embarrassment.” From Crossan’s view of Jesus as the wise sage, to Robert Eisenman’s Jesus the revolutionary, and Bart Ehrman’s apocalyptic prophet, about the only thing New Testament scholars seem to agree on is Jesus’ historical existence. But can even that be questioned?

The first problem we encounter when trying to discover more about the Historical Jesus is the lack of early sources. The earliest sources only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity – which gives us reason to question them. The authors of the Gospels fail to name themselves, describe their qualifications, or show any criticism with their foundational sources – which they also fail to identify. Filled with mythical and non-historical information, and heavily edited over time, the Gospels certainly should not convince critics to trust even the more mundane claims made therein.

The methods traditionally used to tease out rare nuggets of truth from the Gospels are dubious. The criterion of embarrassment says that if a section would be embarrassing for the author, it is more likely authentic. Unfortunately, given the diverse nature of Christianity and Judaism back then (things have not changed all that much), and the anonymity of the authors, it is impossible to determine what truly would be embarrassing or counter-intuitive, let alone if that might not serve some evangelistic purpose.

The criterion of Aramaic context is similarly unhelpful. Jesus and his closest followers were surely not the only Aramaic-speakers in first-century Judea. The criterion of multiple independent attestation can also hardly be used properly here, given that the sources clearly are not independent.

Paul’s Epistles, written earlier than the Gospels, give us no reason to dogmatically declare Jesus must have existed. Avoiding Jesus’ earthly events and teachings, even when the latter could have bolstered his own claims, Paul only describes his “Heavenly Jesus.” Even when discussing what appear to be the resurrection and the last supper, his only stated sources are his direct revelations from the Lord, and his indirect revelations from the Old Testament. In fact, Paul actually rules out human sources (see Galatians 1:11-12).



Also important are the sources we don’t have. There are no existing eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus. All we have are later descriptions of Jesus’ life events by non-eyewitnesses, most of whom are obviously biased. Little can be gleaned from the few non-Biblical and non-Christian sources, with only Roman scholar Josephus and historian Tacitus having any reasonable claim to be writing about Jesus within 100 years of his life. And even those sparse accounts are shrouded in controversy, with disagreements over what parts have obviously been changed by Christian scribes (the manuscripts were preserved by Christians), the fact that both these authors were born after Jesus died (they would thus have probably received this information from Christians), and the oddity that centuries go by before Christian apologists start referencing them.



Agnosticism over the matter is already seemingly appropriate, and support for this position comes from independent historian Richard Carrier’s recent defense of another theory — namely, that the belief in Jesus started as the belief in a purely celestial being (who was killed by demons in an upper realm), who became historicized over time. To summarize Carrier’s 800-page tome, this theory and the traditional theory – that Jesus was a historical figure who became mythicized over time – both align well with the Gospels, which are later mixtures of obvious myth and what at least sounds historical.

The Pauline Epistles, however, overwhelmingly support the “celestial Jesus” theory, particularly with the passage indicating that demons killed Jesus, and would not have done so if they knew who he was (see: 1 Corinthians 2:6-10). Humans – the murderers according to the Gospels – of course would still have killed Jesus, knowing full well that his death results in their salvation, and the defeat of the evil spirits.

So what do the mainstream (and non-Christian) scholars say about all this? Surprisingly very little – of substance anyway. Only Bart Ehrman and Maurice Casey have thoroughly attempted to prove Jesus’ historical existence in recent times. Their most decisive point? The Gospels can generally be trusted – after we ignore the many, many bits that are untrustworthy – because of the hypothetical (i.e. non-existent) sources behind them. Who produced these hypothetical sources? When? What did they say? Were they reliable? Were they intended to be accurate historical portrayals, enlightening allegories, or entertaining fictions?

Ehrman and Casey can’t tell you – and neither can any New Testament scholar. Given the poor state of the existing sources, and the atrocious methods used by mainstream Biblical historians, the matter will likely never be resolved. In sum, there are clearly good reasons to doubt Jesus’ historical existence – if not to think it outright improbable.

http://www.rationalchristianity.net/jesus_extrabib.html

Mr atheist I will like you to read this.

I will paste the link for you latter.

In Darwin’s time there was an idea among the
nobility that their genetics were superior to those of
the rest of society. Many families including Darwin’s
took this belief to extreme levels by practicing incest
as a tradition.
They thought that if adolescents were to marry within
their own family then not only would all the wealth
stay in the family, but the “good” genes would also.
This also ensured that the family fortunes would be
retained for many future generations. This practice is
very common in aristocratic families, which explains
why they are all extremely mentally unstable. Darwin
came from a very classist and racist elite level of
society and that is reflected in his work, especially
“The Descent of Man”.
One of the most famous cases of royal incest is found
in the Hapsburg dynasty that produced rulers in
Spain, Austria, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands
and the German empire. Around 1700 the Spanish
branch of this empire fell apart suddenly and died
off.
Recent studies of the Hapsburg Family Tree show that
sickness and deformity due to incest was responsible
for the sudden demise of this “royal bloodline”. The
most successful political dynasty in America, the Bush
family is notorious for inbreeding.
In fact, George Bush Sr. and his wife Barbara Bush
are actually in the same bloodline, which is the
Pierce or Percy bloodline. The British house of this
bloodline is named Percy and the American house is
named Pierce. The elite’s family structures are very
complicated with many “houses” and surnames that
are omitted from the public dialogue to avoid
scrutiny and cover up their ongoing eugenics
experiments.

ayinba1:
@lafflaff
I went to a Federal school too, in the North. Prior to that I had minimal contact with that many kids from other tribes and I have not been indoctrinated to believe the worst about people for the fact that they are different; thank God.

I saw the good, bad and ugly of chritians, muslims, pagans, Yoruba, hausa, ibo, ijaw, urhobo, Fulani, jukun, kilba to name a few. I could not say by statistics that one group of people were better, worse or uglier than the other based simply on their hometown or religion. This is the aim (or should be) of federal schools.
Unfortunately for someone who at age 9, 10 or 11 has already been brainwashed into believing the worst about a certain group simply because they are not his/her group, the eyes to see people as people are greatly impaired and diminished. SOme people know it in their hearts but prejudice clouds their reasoning and they speak against what they know to be true.
Yes. I agree with you here,for every religion there will be bad eggs.


To answer your question about the Prophets and Messenger who were Muslim, I have pasted a few verses of the Holy Quran here.
Qur'an 4:163-165
163 Lo! We inspire thee (Muhammad) as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the Psalms;
164 And messengers We have mentioned unto thee before and messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; and Allah spake directly unto Moses;
165 Messengers of good cheer and off warning, in order that mankind might have no argument against Allah after the messengers. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

Qur'an 6:84-86
84 And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob; each of them We guided; and Noah did We guide aforetime; and of his seed (We guided) David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good.
85 And Zachariah and John and Jesus and Elias. Each one (of them) was of the righteous.
86 And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot. Each one of them did We prefer above (Our) creatures,

Qur'an 21:85-88
85 And (mention) Ishmael, and Idris (Enoch), and Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel). All were of the steadfast.
86 And We brought them in unto Our mercy. Lo! they are among the righteous.
87 And (mention) Dhun Nun (Jonah), when he went off in anger and deemed that We had no power over him, but he cried out in the darkness, saying: There is no God save Thee. Be Thou glorified! I have been a wrong-doer.
88 Then We heard his prayer and saved him from the anguish. Thus We save believers.

Qur'an 7:73
And to (the tribe of) Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other God save Him. A wonder from your Lord hath come unto you. Lo! this is the camel of Allah, a token unto you; so let her feed in Allah's earth, and touch her not with hurt lest painful torment seize you.

Qur'an 26:123-125
123 (The tribe of) Aad denied the messengers (of Allah),
124 When their brother Hud said unto them: Will ye not ward off (evil)?
125 Lo! I am a faithful messenger unto you,

Qur'an 7:85
To the Madyan people We sent Shu'aib one of their own brethren: he said: "O my people! worship Allah; Ye have no other god but Him. Now hath come unto you a clear (sign) from your Lord! Give just measure and weight nor withhold from the people the things that are their due; and do no mischief on the earth after it has been set in order: that will be best for you if ye have faith.

Qur'an 21:107
And We did not send you (O Muhammad) except as a Mercy to the worlds.

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/nabi.html

Some, not all, of these men of God were mentioned in today's Bible;I added the link so that you can see more there.. This website used Picthall and Yusuf Ali translations

In the Bible we can read how Jehovah God cares for
his prophets. He protects them from being deceived
by their adversaries:
Psalms 105:14-15: “And God did not allow any
human to defraud them, But on their account he
reproved kings, Saying: ‘Do not you men touch
my anointed ones, And to my prophets do
nothing bad.’”
In complete contrast, we find Allah doing the very
opposite. He defrauds the prophets by appointing
evil men and demons to lead them astray.
Surah 6:112: “So have We appointed for every
Prophet an enemy – devils of men and Jinns;
who inspire each other with seductive,
deceptive speech which leads astray.” (H. S.
Aziz)

Ifeann:
Nice info. Didn't know this about Charles Darwin. Will investigate. This is why those who preach natural selection; evolutionists and atheism will lead the world to eugenics and mass destruction of undesirable humans in the future.

atheist will never tell you all this info, God bless you

GooseBaba:
Stop it..! What is there to quote.. Did you not read the OP.. Stop this your Maradona..

Yahweh received live stocks, we know he receives sacrifice with igbo on the side "burning bush things"..

Since this is the word of your god. Kindly tell me what the alleged creator needs with fresh untouched toto.. Was he looking to release the Holy Spirit...

am very sure if there is a verse that say God keep virgin, you and the op will be the first to point it out to me.

You are a pagan the op is a muslim,pagan and muslim are bird of the same feather;

Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and
Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah.
It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage
to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around
them (as the pagan custom is).” (Pickthall)


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23:
Narrated By ‘Asim bin Sulaiman: I asked Anas bin
Malik about Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains
at Mecca). Anas replied, “We used to consider
(i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-
Islamic period of Ignorance, s o when Islam
came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah
revealed, ‘Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two
mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of
Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform
the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the
Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.’” ( Surah
2:158)

joseph1013:
How can a law be invincible? Adam hid because there was an express instruction from god (according to the fable). So tell me the express instruction given to Cain and all the people who transgressed before the written mosaic law.

GOD told adam not to eat from the tree of Good and evil and when they disobey God they face the punishment, am very sure adam and eve would have thought there children not to disobey God and teach them what is good and bad, so there conscience no what is good and evil.

In Darwin’s time there was an idea among the
nobility that their genetics were superior to those of
the rest of society. Many families including Darwin’s
took this belief to extreme levels by practicing incest
as a tradition.
They thought that if adolescents were to marry within
their own family then not only would all the wealth
stay in the family, but the “good” genes would also.
This also ensured that the family fortunes would be
retained for many future generations. This practice is
very common in aristocratic families, which explains
why they are all extremely mentally unstable. Darwin
came from a very classist and racist elite level of
society and that is reflected in his work, especially
“The Descent of Man”.

ypeace:
I am the first of those who submit........ Is the statement. Not the first person to submit. He is the top most muslim, the highest muslim........ Not the first person to do it on earth. There is a different between the tafsir of the quran, what those who understand Arabic and what non muslims believe. Muslim believe the tafsir. But when I see non muslim argue, they assume what muslims believe and then argue based on their assumption. It is equivalent to muslims assuming that a redeemer is a cele and arguing with the redeemer based on the assumption. Wanna know what muslim belief and correct the belief? Then learn what muslims believe in. If you are arguing that the meaning given to the verse I explained is not correct giving adequate quotes from the quran and hadith, that is an argument I will definitely learn from but imposing your own Interpretation and arguing again it........... Makes it look like the redeemer and c nd s example I gave above. Peace be onto you.
Modified

About free will. Let me use your example to explain the concept of free will in Islam or the way I believe it as a muslim. God gave Adam and Eve the freewill to eat and not to eat the forbidden fruit. God gave human same kind of free will.


God gave them the instruction not to eat the forbidden fruit, they submit to his instruction, surrender to his instruction by not eating it even though it may go against their wish.
I hope you have a glimpse on how muslim see the concept? Peace be onto you.

you are confusing your self, first you say he was the first to submit your next statement say '' Not the first person to submit''. Then abraham who live thousand of years before muhammed did not submit? But he was a muslim.
The hadith say muhammed was in the cave of hira when the truth descend on him. Does this mean all other prophet were living in lies? If other's prophet were abiding in truth and the scripture was sufficient to saved them, what the need of the quran? There is a manipulation going on some where in the quran, satan is battling with the truth.

God told adam not to eat the fruit and adam submit? But the bible say adam disobey God.

Rilwayne001:
^^ This should address your usual jargons

why are you silent on the intimacy muhammed had with his sex slave even dough he was married? Does this mean Allah sanction adultery? Why will muhammed who had 12 wives be allow to have sex with slaves ? Isn't this adultery?

Rilwayne001:
Francistony, macelliot, italo, plaeton, pastorkun, malvisguy212 and other guys on this thread. Lets us all reason and see what really happend again.




Moses arose in Egypt. He liberated his people from bondage,and together they fled Egypt to the “promised land.” The promised land was a place called Canaan (Palestine). But they hit a small snag. There were already people living in Canaan. These natives are referred to in the Bible as “The Seven Nations.” (Not to be a stickler, but there were actually more than seven nations.)

To resolve this dilemma, God ordered the Israelites to exterminate all the inhabitants of Canaan (men, women, and children) and to take their land. The God of the Bible commanded Moses and his followers:

Deuteronomy 20:10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. .

First of all bible God gave them 2 conditions, what are the conditions? lets read the barbaric conditions.

Deu 20:11 If they accept and open their gates, [size=13pt] [/b] all the people in it shall be subject to FORCED LABOUR and shall work for you. [/size] [/b] .

Can you accept this kind of offer of peace can you allow this type of peace offer in Nigeria if you are the president think about it.

What if they did'nt accept this offer of compulsion, what is going to happen?

Lets read further :

Deu 20:12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.

Deu 20:13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.

Deu 20:14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.

Now this was how they are to treat cities that are not even near to the alleged promise land i.e cities that are far away that are not even a threat to them.

Deu 20:15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

How about the natives of the ppromised land? how will they treat them?

Lets read further:

Deu 20:16 [However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, [size=15pt] do not leave alive anything that breathes. [/size]

Deu 20:17 [size=15pt] Completely destroy them --the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you. [/size] .

Now who will read the above and still claim the midianites were massacred because they were planning to wipe the israelite out?

I can go on and on citing passages of the bible which sanction these genocide.

No doubt this is where the zionist israelite got their inspiration from, they massacre palestinian and take over their lands.Same way they did some thousands years ago.

Sir, i should'nt have reply you on this issue, but been a secondary raised question in the OP, I've to reply....but the primary aim of this thread which bears the name and also the major question in the OP non of you are yet to address it..do that now please.

you are not truthful here why dint you quote deut20:16-17. why dint you quote 18?
Deuteronomy 20:16-18
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your
God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a]
them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites,
Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has
commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in
worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the
Lord your God.
ASK YOUR SELF THIS, what are they doing that is destestable to God? In fact the isrealite disobey God when they speared some of the canaanites,hitties and the rest tribe.
Psalm 106:34-40
34
They did not destroy the peoples
as the Lord had commanded them,
35
but they mingled with the nations
and adopted their customs.
36
They worshiped their idols,
which became a snare to them.
37
They sacrificed their sons
and their daughters to false gods.
38
They shed innocent blood,
the blood of their sons and daughters,
whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan,
and the land was desecrated by their blood.
THIS IS THERE EVIL DEED THAT YOU ARE CALLING INNOCENT? Am not surprised you are a muslims an idol worshipper why wuldnt you support this evil generation. They are the ones that attack isreal first;
Joshua 24:11
"'Then you crossed the Jordan and came to Jericho.
The citizens of Jericho fought against you, as did also
the Amorites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hittites,
Girgashites, Hivites and Jebusites, but I gave them
into your hands.

This nations are evil and wicked. Additionally, the destruction of wicked nations served as an instructive warning to contemporaries ( Josh 2:1-11) and future generations (1 Cor 10:1-11).

GooseBaba:
See dribbling.....

MAKE UNA ANSWER THE QUESTION NA!!?

Wetin Yahweh take 32 virgins do..?

Did he do to them what he did to Mary..!?

quote the verse that say God keep 32 virgin for himself.

Rilwayn001.
Why do you say God is afraid of the medinite? They are making the children of isreal worship baal, I even give you a verse that clearly say God is angry with the isrealite because they worship baal,that why He told them to capture the idoltrus people.infact the book of exedus say God place law against slave,no man to own a slave;
"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or
he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to
death." ( Exodus 21:16)
What men used to know as slave that not what God teaches about slave, God even place a law to guide slave;
1. "If a man strikes his male or female slave with a
rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be
punished." ( Exodus 21:20)


The isrealite that capture the virgin are the last tribe of banjamin,God want to preserved them as he promise,that is why he ask them to keep the virgin treat them with love not as the way muhammed treat slave.

Quran Verse 33.50 says:
"O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you
your wives whom you have given their dowries,
and those [slaves] whom your right hand
possesses out of those whom Allah has given to
you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of
your paternal uncles and the daughters of your
paternal aunts, and the daughters of your
maternal uncles and the daughters of your
maternal aunts who fled with you; and a
believing woman if she gave herself to the
Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her –
specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers;
We know what We have ordained for them
concerning their wives and those whom their
right hands possess in order that no blame may
attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful".


The term "possessions of the right hand" mean
slaves. It is expressly stated that Muhammad's
slaves, which he attained as a share of the
captives in raiding infidels communities, were
actually given to him by Allah Himself. And Allah
also makes raping them halal for Muhammad
(and his Muslim followers).muhammed has 12 wifes still allah permit him to have sex with the slave ,IS IT NOT ADULTRY? Allah permit adultry.
The verse also gives a special privilege to
Muhammad to marry as many wives as he
desires, beyond the restriction of four wives for
ordinary Muslims. When God's teachings
encourage a people to wage wars to capture the
women for raping as well as encourages His holy
prophet to engage in unrestrained marriage for
sexual gratification, there can't be a teaching as
evil as this in such matters.

Rilwayne001:
If the above is your own reason why you think the midianites should be massacred, then what will you say is the reason why Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites,and Jebusites, should be utterly destroyed as commanded by the bible God



We all know this was not the reason, the reason is in numbers

25:17 “Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them,

25:18 because they treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the affair of Peor and their sister Cozbi, the daughter of a Midianite leader, the woman who was killed when the plague came as a result of Peor. ”

They were to be utterly destroyed with their children because some of their women lure some of the israelite to worship, and the bible God was scared that he will not be worshipped again, is'nt it?



The OP is clear enough

What was he going to do with his share of 32virgins

I gave you the verse of there evil deed.
Number25:1_5 While Israel remained at Shittim, the
people
began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab.
2For they invited the people to the sacrifices of their
gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their
gods. 3So Israel joined themselves to Baal of Peor,
and the LORD was angry against Israel. 4The LORD
said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of the people and
execute them in broad daylight before the LORD, so
that the fierce anger of the LORD may turn away
from Israel.” 5So Moses said to the judges of Israel,
“Each of you slay his men who have joined
themselves to Baal of Peor.”
This are there evil deed And you are defending it? If it not the reason then what els do you want? The other tribe you mention are isreal enemy the amorite attack the isrealite first when thet are legging from egypt out from bondage.

Quote the verse that clearly say 32 virgin is for God.

Rilwayne001:
SMDH

don't worry I will be back, I am expecting you to open it yesterday night but you dint. Am busy now.

The Midianites were practising idolatry,God is purging the land from evil and the isrealite is coping there evil deed: this are there evil deed.
Number25:1_5 While Israel remained at Shittim, the people
began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab.
2For they invited the people to the sacrifices of their
gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their
gods. 3So Israel joined themselves to Baal of Peor,
and the LORD was angry against Israel. 4The LORD
said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of the people and
execute them in broad daylight before the LORD, so
that the fierce anger of the LORD may turn away
from Israel.” 5So Moses said to the judges of Israel,
“Each of you slay his men who have joined
themselves to Baal of Peor.”
Rilwayne001 you now see why God other for there destruction? If they hard not inflicted the isrealite with there idolatry there judgment would not have come so soon,there will be chance for repentance.in. Judges they join force with the amalakite to fight isreal;Judges 6:33
Then all the Midianites and the Amalekites and the
children of the east were gathered together, and
went over, and pitched in the valley of Jezreel.

The slave you are talking about is difference from the one God oder the isrealite to do, example jacob. Voluntary work for his uncle yet bible called it slave,infect the bible say in exedus

'' He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or
he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to
death." ( Exodus 21:16)''
If a man strikes his male or female slave with a
rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be
punished." ( Exodus 21:20) so rilwyan001 it is clear that the slave you are talking about is diff from the one God is saying.

The isrealite God send against the moab are the last tribe of banjanmin tribe, God allow them to take the virgin to produce there tribe.it was the evil of the moab that resulted to this.
Deut. 21:10-14 When thou goest forth to war
against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God
hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou
hast taken them captive, And seest among the
captives a beautiful woman, and hast a
desire unto her , that thou wouldest have her
to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to
thine house; and she shall shave her head, and
pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of
her captivity from off her, and shall remain in
thine house, and bewail her father and her
mother a full month: and after that thou shalt
go in unto her, and be her husband, and she
shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have
no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go
whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at
all for money, thou shalt not make
merchandise of her, because thou hast
humbled her.

You don't treat salve like this do you? Clean them up and treet them kindly, unlike muhammed who had 11 wife still allah alow him to had sex with his slave.

Ready for my question.

joseph1013:
So if there was a law about in.ce.st, was there a law about murder? Why did God banish Cain since there was no law about murder?

Why did God destroy the world with water, since there was no law about the sins he accuse human race of?

are you not the one that created this thread? Were have you been? All this issues has been clear,have you been sleeping?

The law was invincible to them but they can differentiate between good and evil,when adam ate the fruit, why did he hide from God? He know what is good and bad.

frank317:
Lol... Our dear funny God permitted in.cest at first because that was the only way his all knowing mind could come up on how the earth could populate.

Then he later stopped it after achieving his aim and decide that anyone who does it will be punished by death or be thrown in hell forever.

Your God must be an all knowing clown

I thought I made myself clear on this in my earlier
post? The law Inbreeding was not giving yet and paul
say'' if there is no law then there is no violation of
law or sin'' God did not imposed the law of
Inbreeding yet because man is in the state of
perfection,adam did not have genetic defects in
him,but when man begin to lose the perfection
gradually, then God imposed the law of Inbreeding
on the isrealite, God know man has lost the
perfection in him so he told moses in liviticus to go
and number each man with his family,after moses
has done that then God imposed the Law of
Inbreeding.

joseph1013:
Again, the challenge of coming up with these assertions is that we open up a world of questions about their implications.

So, let's say Gos permitted in.ce.st by Cain. Why would God do that? Why does an all-knowing, all-powerful God do that?

Couldn't an all-knowing God design a creation plan that did not necessitate in.ce.st of the type that God would later make punishable by death? (Death is nothing mild, remember.) Was the in.ce.st requirement an "oops, my bad" slip of mind?

Was his God-breath not high octane enough to fuel multiple pairs of first generation humans whose children would not have to procreate with close relatives?

Think about it?

I thought I made myself clear on this in my earlier post? The law incest was not giving yet and paul say'' if there is no law then there is no violation of law or sin'' God did not imposed the law of incest yet because man is in the state of perfection,adam did not have genetic defects in him,but when man begin to lose the perfection gradually, then God imposed the law of incest on the isrealite, God know man has lost the perfection in him so he told moses in liviticus to go and number each man with his family,after moses has done that then God imposed the Law of incest.

Ifeann:
Your analysis is very clever. Nicely done. I have always believed we humans don't understand time, especially with the creation narrative in Genesis.
however, you maybe right, we are most likely living in the endtimes, many prophesies are coming true.
Look at the chaos all over the world, the Islamic expansion in Europe, the persecution of Christians in the middle east. The dwindling morals and rise of homosexuality, the divisions in the church, false doctrines etc. Iran is making serious efforts to build their nuclear weapon and once they are done it is likely they may fire at Israel. Even if Israel fires back the Iranians will be happy to die as martyrs. The evidence is everywhere.

God bless you my friend.

ayinba1:
@malvis. I have no wish to argue with you. The Quran is free from contradictions, you can take that to the bank.
You quoted from the Quran but you failed to realize that the first man worshiped God alone, associating no partners with Him. It is the same for every prophet or messenger sent to a people. They give the message but as time goes on, people begin to deviate and erect edifices/symbols/images to represent God. This is idolatry. The message becomes polluted with these inventions. The average man wants to see/feel/touch to believe. Allah is The Unseen and absolute belief in Him is the only way.

nobody associate partner with God because you can't divide a man from his word,they are ONE .

Abraham worship the true God and pass the covenant to isaac,and isaac unto jacob that how the it goes on until the promise is fulfilled in christ jesus. God sanction the sending away of ishmeal because His covenant was not with him (ishmeal) God only made him a great nation but the prophetic race was with isaac (quran 29:27) there is no way two sons can have the same blessing,example of this is the story of jacob and esau, isaac bless jacob although according to tradition the blessing suppose to go to esau because he was the senior but because the prophetic race pass on to jacob, God only bless esau with riches just like he bless ishmeal. So two sons cannot have the same blessing. According to muslims muhammad is from the descendant of ismeal so he cannot be a prophet from the true God.

That why the islamic creed say,lahila ah hilala hi muhammadu rasulilahi which mean I believe in allah and. Muhammad is his messenger. In other word muhammad is the only prophet in islam.

ayinba1:
@malvis and ifean, I understand your dilemma because you are bound to continue this way if you persist in following websites and sources that have a single goal of turning you away from the truth of Islam. I am only to invite you because it would be ridiculous for me to find information about Christianity from an atheist website. When you are ready, please get a copy of the Quran and find out About Islam from people like Yusuf Estes, Nouman Ali khan and mufti menk. It will broaden your horizon. I wish you well.
@lafflaff, please be patient with me, I do not know the verses off hand and do not wish to misquote anything but I saw your question, it's a good one

the verse I quote is it from a website or quran? When the op copy and paste an articles from a antichristianity website ,you dint cry fowl but when I quote directly from the quran you comes up with excuses. Am done arguing with muslims but you guys keep on trolling this section with topic against christians faith even dough you have your own separate section.view the thread in the islamic section,there is no thread that is challenging your belief.

You did noy even attempt to answer my question meaning there are contradiction in the quran.

Ifeann:
Wow, my brother in humanity I didn't even know about this, unfortunately I don't have a Koran nearby to confirm these, this is because I like to be sure before exposing faults in Islam. However, I am not surprised. The messages in the Koran contradicts themselves a lot. Atimes Muslim scholars call it abrogation. Can you imagine ?? They say their god changes his mind as it pleases Mohammed's situation,
This is one of the reasons you have moderate Muslims, I know some very nice moderate Muslims but they don't know the Koran and hadiths in depth. On the other hand, there are the extremist Muslims who understand the Koran a lot better and murder in islams name.

Muslims are not allowed to question the Koran and Mohammed, some scholars say it amounts to shirk (its an unforgivable sin). This is why those who don't question it remain trapped.

Allah and Muhammad discourage Muslims from asking questions. From Infancy Muslims are groomed to abstain from questioning the tenents of Islam.

Surah 5:101-102: “O ye who believe! Ask not
questions about things which if made plain to
you, may cause you trouble …Some people
before you did ask such questions, and on that
account lost their faith.” (Yusuf Ali)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92:
Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked about
things which he did not like, but when the
questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry.

Ifeann:
Wow, my brother in humanity I didn't even know about this, unfortunately I don't have a Koran nearby to confirm these, this is because I like to be sure before exposing faults in Islam. However, I am not surprised. The messages in the Koran contradicts themselves a lot. Atimes Muslim scholars call it abrogation. Can you imagine ?? They say their god changes his mind as it pleases Mohammed's situation,
This is one of the reasons you have moderate Muslims, I know some very nice moderate Muslims but they don't know the Koran and hadiths in depth. On the other hand, there are the extremist Muslims who understand the Koran a lot better and murder in islams name.

Muslims are not allowed to question the Koran and Mohammed, some scholars say it amounts to shirk (its an unforgivable sin). This is why those who don't question it remain trapped.

God bless you ,there are lot of evidence in the quran that prove Islam to be false.cheack my threads.

lafflaff123:
Malvisguy212 you are a smart guy so quote that part of the quran and hadith

Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and
Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah.
It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage
to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around
them (as the pagan custom is).” (Pickthall)


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23:
Narrated By ‘Asim bin Sulaiman: I asked Anas bin
Malik about Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains
at Mecca). Anas replied, “We used to consider
(i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-
Islamic period of Ignorance, s o when Islam
came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah
revealed, ‘Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two
mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of
Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform
the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the
Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.’” ( Surah
2:158)

Ifeann:
ayinba1(f) why are u more concerned about this irrelevant point, as explicit as lafflaff123 may have been in explaining the alleged origins of Islam by Abram's seed, lafflaff123 is correct to say that so much suffering in this world is because of Islam.
Why did u not make issue with lafflaff123's point about the terror groups of Islam and the hostage situation in Sydney.
Please study about the origins of Islam, why the association with the moon, study islams pagan origins. Why argue about trivial things and avoid the main issues.

there are clear proof in the quran and hadith that say the way pagan worship there gods,muhammad retain the style of worship to Allah.