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Mynd44:
They got it from the bible

Mynd44:
The early century Christians killed people in the name for Christianity. Does that mean they are sanctioned by Christianity?

Humans will always find something to justify their crimes and find a way to live with themselves including hiding behind sone higher being telling then to go ahead.

Earlier this year in the DRC, Christians went on a killing spree of Muslims. Is that terrorism? Yes it is but does it mean Christianity support it? They are just people who developed enemies but need something to justify their madness.

They are terrorists, their business is terror

Mynd44:
LRA
MEND
IRA
NAZI

Those are Islamic abi?

Ifeann:
(Hey malvisguy212 pls take a read at another Muslim claiming miracles. )

I mean no offence but lmao.
Lol. These are so so easy to refute, I won't even bother. Apparently u depend only on what ur imam tells you. Lol I won't bother. How can u quote ur hadiths to support ur argument when I declear that even your quran is falsehood.

but there is one I will address, the miracles.
Do you know why I and many Muslims know that Mohammed performed NO/ZERO miracles, its because your Koran says so.
Read on,

Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)
As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated
the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by
the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?
1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop
sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could
not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever you Muslims proudly
claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, you are at the
same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59.

More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad
was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either
remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no
more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these
passages is in
Surah 17:90-93:
They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to
gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms
and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause
masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you
bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a
luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can
read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)

The one I find the funniest is when u say that he split the moon in half , usually a challenge to Moses splitting the red sea.
If he split the moon in half why isn't this astronomical event not recorded by other civilisations at that time.
??
Why did the narrations say he performed miracles is because as time passed more embellishment was added to the tales of his deeds. Research has been done on this. Never say this again because you clearly contradict your quran.

truthman2012:
The op is great!

Apart from the bible source of celebrating christmas, which you have rightly cited, what is wrong in picking December 25 or any date to celebrate a Divine Celebrity? I don't care about the actual date Jesus was born, since December 25 is the consensus, it's fine.

Jesus is worth being celebrated everyday. We don't expect it to be a command in the bible as he would not force us to celebrate him.

Zaikon:
omG u just dnt comprehend my posts. The end time is telling you wen Jesus is coming read my previous post all over the Qur'anic verse is there, together with xplanationz

dastranger:
sorry i ddnt read your question properly

Zaikon:
Bro dis is what I mean [b]And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son
of Mary, Messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not
crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue
about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of
it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. (Surat An-
Nisa', 4:157)
God raised him [Jesus] up to Himself. God is Almighty, All-Wise.
(Surat An-Nisa', 4:158)
“He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no
doubt concerning it and follow Me.” (Quran 43:61)
His appearance will be followed by only two or three other
unmistakable portents. Among these are the appearance of the beast[4],
the wafting of the believers from the earth[5], leaving only disbelievers
behind, and the rising of the sun from the west.[6]
The ten major signs, among which is the second coming of Jesus,
are summarized in one hadeeth:[7]
“The Hour will not come until you see ten signs: the smoke; the False
Messiah; the Beast; the sun rising from the West; the descent of Jesus
son of Mary; the Gog and Magog; and three tremors - one in the
East, one in the West, and one in Arabia, at the end of which fire will
burst forth from the direction of Aden and drive people to the place
of their final assembly.” [/b]

McSterling:
Frosbel is only being sincere. The bible is indeed filled with fabrications and falsifications.

SHOCK7:
U see dis is how 'ur pastor just probably lied 2 u!Yes according 2 Luke,The angels were praising God not having a festival.secondly they never instructed men on earth 2 've a yearly festival celebrating Christ.thirdly according 2 Bible scholars dat date 'ld never be Dec.25th.

SalC:
I have been waiting for this thread! Now this is well detailed.
I would love to see the anti-25th dec Christmas fellows join this discussion, and counter it if possible.

I think we have so listened to those who are more interested in telling us that everything we do is wrong and forgot to do some research.

I may not have known all these but I must say this is more of a detailed research than anything I've read before now.


Bookmarked for further study.

Weldone Ubenedictus.
Wish the mods will place this on the homepage.
Seun, Obinoscopy, Ishilove, Mukina2

truthman2012:
This your idea is actually what the Devil wants to happen. Many of the Apostles died for telling the Pharisees and Saducees their errors. They could have kept silent for peaceful relationship to exist.

lovaleenny:
Thanks for posting it...but honestly I think religious e-wars are pointless....y'all shud save ur strength and use it to better the world around you and wait for the day of reckoning to come so we can find out how heaven or hell is like and what lies in dere waiting for us,who's gonna make heaven or hell we have no idea so why bug urself and others

Zaikon:
*smile* u wil find it difficult 2 undstand coz the Jesus is still coming back 2 clearify himself to those calling him God/Son of God

Zaikon:
Tanx bro I gat little typo errors initialy hia u hav it .". And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the
son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor
did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them.
And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no
knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not
kill him, for certain.

michealese:
Jesus was not born in December 25 & there no record in bible where early Christains celebrated his birthday. Jesus command his disciples to celebrate his death and not his birth.

adeiza4u:
please sir, I'm patiently waiting for such thread. Want to be enlighten about this very question and if possible, Bible references should be included sir thanks.

lovaleenny:
Op please paste the hadith dt said this...am really curious to know

dagr8:
lovely ...Merry Christmas

ROSSIKE:
Firstly, it's ''there is proof'', not ''there are prove''. Secondly, the use of AD and BC is not proof of anything. All it shows is that some people classified time based on when they claimed Jesus was born.

ROSSIKE:
There is no proof that there was ever a 'Jesus Christ' born on this earth.

If you claim to have the proof, furnish it.

ROSSIKE:
There is no proof that there was ever a 'Jesus Christ' born on this earth.

If you claim to have the proof, furnish it.

ROSSIKE:
There is no proof that there was ever a 'Jesus Christ' born on this earth.

If you claim to have the proof, furnish it.

SHOCK7:
Complete B.S,God never did!Christmas has it's origin 4rom a pagan celebration known as d "saturnia",dat period roman pagan celebrated d" birth of d new sun"

ChikezieU:
nah lie prove ur words

Rilwayne001:
This was instructed during a war time, the begining of the chapter and its historical context makes it clear that the chapter was not an eternal instruction.

To prove my point lets read this:

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 8:
Allah does not [size=15pt] forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. [/size] Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.

If you read carefully this^^ compared to the 9:29, you will see this is one is eternal instruction, while the other is mainly for that time. You don't continue americans to continue killing vietnamese anywhere they find them just because the president ordered them to kill vietnamese during the american/vietnam war, now that the war is over, we can't hold his word against him any longer.

For at the end of the surah 9 that you provided, it was stated that:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 129:
[size=13pt] But if those [who are bent on denying the truth] turn away, say: "God is enough for me! There is no- deity save Him. In Him have I placed my trust, for He is the Sustainer, in awesome almightiness enthroned." [/size]

Do you get my point?

johnydon22:
i did from what you wrote it shouldnt be taken literally. to u the man is christ and the woman is the church and then child bearing is good deeds...
i want a literal explaination cus the words were clear!!!

Weah96:
Allah did it. Who else? If snakes can talk in your universe, and human beings can dance on the surface of the ocean, then Allah can easily split the moon for someone of his choosing. You're being disingenuous to deny that possibility. Nothing is impossible for Allah.

johnydon22:
explain... why do u guys always see little question as a tactics to criticize ur faith... please am not hear to criticize anybody just asked a simple question and thats all...

Rilwayne001:
And the owner link was the one that wrote it?

Rilwayne001:
The last chapter of deut and who wrote the last chapter oo, and what makes u think it wasnt the person that wrote it all.

Deu 1:4 [size=15pt] This was after HE had defeated [/size] Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon, and at Edrei had defeated Og king of Bashan, who reigned in Ashtaroth.

He wrote this^^ too?