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OLAADEGBU:
Please, enlighten us on how God celebrated the first Christmas.

Hiswordxray:
He desires to know the truth but pride won't let him humble himself and learn. Instead he goes around challenging Christians. The only way he could find the answers he seek is by humility.

ROSSIKE:
Islam is just as replete with mythical nonsense and fabrications as christianity, but as a southern Nigerian from a 'christian' background, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where my emphasis will lie.

ROSSIKE:
I'm not anything. Just a guy who questions and rejects bullshiit.

ROSSIKE:
I'm not an atheist. This is another arrogant, illiterate conclusion reached by many christians when you question their texts. They assume you don't believe in God! How arrogant can you get? Christianity is a very recent, Johnny Come Lately, new religion compared to most others. The idea of God has been around for thousands of years before the first christian was born. How dare you insinuate that non belief in christianity equates to non-belief in a Supreme Intelligence? The sheer effrontery.



Where did ''God'' say that no man has seen him? It was ''John'' who said so, not ''God''. Just as it was ''Moses'' who said he saw God. So who are we to believe? John or Moses? Meanwhile, instead of this mealy mouthed attempt at rationalizing the irrational, why not explain the clear CONTRADICTIONS posted above in a way that does not pass you off as a lazy, thoughtless apologist for deception?

ROSSIKE:
[size=15pt]Selected Bible Contradictions[/size]

(1)
2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

(2)
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Exodus 32:14 Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

(3)
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith . . . not by works.
James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? . . . Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Revelation 22:12 Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

(4) (Jesus speaking)
Matthew 5:16 Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
Matthew 6:1 Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.

(5) (Jesus speaking)
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

(6)
Genesis 32:30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.”
Exodus 33:11 The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God.

(7) (Jesus speaking)
John 5:31 If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
John 8:14 Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid.


8
1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

(9)
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

(10)
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

(11)
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth."

NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

(12)
II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;.

(13)
"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (JER 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (JAS 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1CH 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (PSA 145:9)
"God is love." (1JO 4:16)

(14)
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

(15)
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)


(16)
2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

(17)
When did Baasha die?

1KI 16:6-8 26th year of the reign of Asa

2CH 16:1 36th year of the reign of Asa


(18)

Who was the mother of Abijah?

2CH 11:20 Maachah the daughter of Absalom

2CH 13:2 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel

Akindarchi:
The surah wasn't pointing towards the "bible", it was pointing towards the "people" who had read the "sciptures" that were before him. There is a subtle but significant difference between the two. Just saying. Besides didn't you see the beginning of the verse? It says if you're in doubt...then ends with be not one of the waverers...it so happens that the issue of the status of Jesus isn't a thing muslims doubt, we would be sure to hala at y'all if we got something that our scholars and our intellect can't comprehend. Thanks

Rilwayne001:
okay i won't after this

but i want you to know that you never clear any doubt as promised earlier before this thread was opened.



No, they were not.

A sinner cannot be ordained as a priest.



you need to enlighten yourself mr.



That was later in leviticus...you quoted me to tackle my point raised in leviticus 1:9 where Aarons son were made priest. and were been taught how to make offering, you said they were not been taught that they wre making atonement for there own sin.

Now you are moduling everything together, are you this confused?


This was latee in leviticus and it has nothing to do with what we are saying



They did'nt die because they were sinners rather because they made a mistake while offering sacrifice to the Lord

Lev 10:1 Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the LORD, contrary to his command.

They made a mistake contrary to how they were taught to offer sacrifice and your lovin God out of annoyance consume them with fire smh.



Irrelevant!

This have nothing to do with what we are discussing here.
Stop digressing.

emmyrichie:
According to the tale, until a certain point, the devil (Lucifer) was a devoted angel.

My question is, where did the spirit that polluted the creature (Satan) emanate from?

Rilwayne001:




In Islam there is nothing like sacrificing animal to Allah in other to cleanse someone of his/her sin, that is why islam never agree that jesus was sent to be sacrificed for the sin of humanity, ISLAM TEACHES THAT YOUR WILL BE FORGIVEN IF YOU REPENT AND FORSAKE YOUR SIN, there is a verse in the bible that said same thing too.

It is absurd to believe that GOD who created animals want human to sacrifice those animals back to him. This is no doubt a pagan teaching, they are the only one that sacrifice animals to their gods just like "ogun" in yorubaland, those who believe in it usually sacrifice dog to him in other to soften his heart whenever he gets angry.

Can we then say our God is more like "ogun"?



Yes it is a shame to have believe in this nonsensical sacrificing of animals and human beings to God when actually he was the one that created them all.





You are just too ignorant aarons son are sinners so God os purifying them.? LMAO. See ehn you know nothing about the religion you profess.

Let me tell you who aaron is.

In Exodus we read the God ordaind Aaron's sons as priest of which Eleazer is among:

Exo 28:1 "Have Aaron your brother brought to you from among the Israelites, along with his sons Nadab and Abihu , Eleazar and Ithamar , so they [size=15pt] may serve me as priests. [/size]

The family of Aaron had the exclusive right and responsibility to make offerings on the altar to the God of Israel.
Moses was the one that anointed and consecrated Aaron and his sons to the priesthood, and arrayed them in the robes of
office. When Aaron completed the altar offerings for the first time and, with Moses,

Leviticus 9:23-24 "blessed the people: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the people: And [size=15pt] there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat [/size] [which] when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces" …

In this way, the institution of the Aaronide priesthood was
established.
We see clearly now who Aaron is,

we see clearly who is sons were,

we see clearly that they were ordained as priest who present offering to the Lord.

And we see clearly how they usually present offering to the God of Israel. Levi 9:23-24

Are you still telling me they are sinners?



Aarons son were never sinners, get yoir facts right. Okay lemme show you this. in Genesis

Gen 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it.

Tell me did Noah also sacrifice those animals to the bible God because he wanted to atone for his sin?

I can confidently tell you that Noah offered some of all the animals as offering to the Lord in other to show how greateful he is for saving them from the water. No?

Now tell me, don't you think moses and eleazer wrre showing the same thing? hahaha, O Yeah they didnt even think about it, it was the bible God that demanded for his own share/offering directly, of which 32virgins were included.



Get your facts right the bible God don't accept animals for offering because one is a sinner, he do accept it fir freewill and thanksgiving too which i think was the reason why those midiates war booty were shared to him as well.

Lev 22:17 The LORD said to Moses,
Lev 22:18 "Speak to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites and say to them: 'If any of you--either an Israelite or an alien living in Israel-- [size=13pt] presents a gift [/size] for a burnt offering to the LORD, either to [size=13pt] fulfill a vow [/size] or as a [size=13pt] freewill offering, [/size]

Now malvisguy212, i can confidently say after these precepts upon precepts giving to you that those animals were presented to the Lord by placing thrm on the alter and the Lord sending fire to cosuming it, he even said he enjoy the AROMA (imagine God enjoying the aroma of burnt animals ) **Subhanallah**.

Now please tell me what was the faith of those virgins? hmmmm i'm scared oo .

holatin:
Firstly I marvel at the amount of ogogoro the mod that transfer this to front page must Ve been under without him changing the title.

And you know nairaland to be a place, religion fanatic will say anything to rubbish a religion different from them.


The verse you mentioned has been greatly misconceived
by many people who focus merely on its surface
meaning, taking it to allow wife beating. When the
setting is not taken into account, it isolates the words in
a way that distorts or falsifies the original meaning.
Before dealing with the issue of wife-battering in the
perspective of Islam, we should keep in mind that the
original Arabic wording of the Holy Quran is the only
authentic source of meaning. If one relies on the
translation alone, one is likely to misunderstand it

"According to Quran the relationship between the
husband and wife should be based on mutual love and
kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that
He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye
may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love
and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs
for those who reflect." (Quran: Ar-Rum 21)
The Holy Quran urges husbands to treat their wives with
kindness. (In the event of a family dispute, Quran
exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to
overlook her positive aspects). Allah Almighty says:
“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If
ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a
thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of
good.” (Quran: An-Nisaa 19)

As to those women on whose part
you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them
(first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat
them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not
against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most
High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach
between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his
family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace,
Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full
knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (Quran:
An-Nisaa 34-35)
It is important to read the section fully. One should not
take part of the verse and use it to justify one's own
misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor
condones it. It guides us to ways to handle delicate
family situation with care and wisdom. The word
"beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean
"physical abuse". The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) explained it
"dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that
leaves no mark". He further said that face must be
avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is
no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush.




TELL ME HOW A TAP COULD BE CALLED BEATING.

Rilwayne001:
First of all the verse already tell us who the offering is for i.e the Lord...and it is the duty of the priest to present them to the Lord according to the bolded part i.e it is for the lord and not eleazer the priest just the way Gold were presented by moses and eleazer in 31:52 (**i cited this particular verse and you keep on ignoring it**).

Now to know how animals were presented to the lord by the PRIESTS lets go back to leviticuz.

Lev 1:2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any of you brings an offering to the LORD , bring as your offering an animal from either the herd or the flock.

Lev 1:3 [b] "'If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he is to offer a male without defect. He must present it at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting so that it will be acceptable to the LORD.

We see here that before an offering can be accepted by the bible God, it has to be sanctified just the way those war booty of midianites were sanctified before they were shared.

Lev 1:4 [b) He is to lay his hand on the head of the burnt offering, and it will be accepted on his behalf to make atonement for him. [/b]

Lev 1:5 He is to slaughter the young bull before the LORD, and then Aaron's sons the priests shall bring the blood and sprinkle it against the altar on all sides at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting.

Lev 1:6 He is to skin the burnt offering and cut it into pieces. .

Lev 1:7 The sons of Aaron the priest are to put fire on the altar and arrange wood on the fire.

Lev 1:8 Then Aaron's sons the priests shall arrange the pieces, including the head and the fat, on the burning wood that is on the altar.

Lev 1:9 He is to wash the inner parts and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.

Now we see in the above narration that anything offered to the bible God is for him and must be presented to him just the way gold were presented to him by eleazer.

Or are you tellig me Aarons sons and the priest are the one given the offerings? No they presented it to the Lord. Now we shouldnt forger that Eleazer is a priest as well just the way Aarons son his. Will he now take it without offering them to the Lord? I need you to clear this..

Now we have a clue on how the midianites animal were presented to the lord, that was why i guess/assume in the OP that they were either fried of roasted.

But the virgins how will they be presented to the Lord?




Pastors are not OT priests. even the duty of a priest in the OT is different from the prophets.

Or tell me how many Goats and rams does your pastor collect as offering? how about virgins, does he?



You are just too ignorant @bolded.

Kindly put your stiffnecked head in shame after reading this.

Lev 1:2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: [size=13pt] 'When any of you brings an OFFERING to the LORD [/size] , bring as your offering an animal from either the [size=15pt] herd [/size] or the [size=15pt] flock. [/size]

I don't see wherr it says a lamb here

ooman:
Because I found the creation account unfounded.
Because I realized that absence of faith is the absence of god.
Because I cherish knowledge more than I cherish faith.

ooman:
Darwin was not the pillar of atheism. Atheistic thought were already common in europe starting from 16th cemtury. Perhaps you mean he was the pillar of evolutionary thought. That would be right. But atheism is not synonymous with evolution, ok?

ooman:
And what foundation is shaky?

ooman:
Actually, Darwin got married before Mendel published the first publication on genetics. So genetic knowledge was not common during his time.

Ok?

ooman:
What genetic defect did he ignore?

ooman:
ok, how is atheism guilty of this?

Rilwayne001:
^^

Malvisguy212 i expect you to quote my reply to your previous post i already addressed most of this point there. Where I cited Numbers 31:52 for you...Please reply it, or is this all what you have to say on it as well

Simple Yes/No

Rilwayne001:
Jizyah is not and offering or tribute to Allah rather a poll tax levied from those who did not accept Islam, but were willing to live under the protection of Islam, and were thus tacitly willing to submit to the laws enforced by the Muslim State.




escape route...LMAO

Rilwayne001:
I won't allow you divert/derail our attention away from the primary aim/discussion of the OP..

hungryboy:
, story for the gods, after u don go take your igbo finish come dey see things double double, u come dey talk say na demon, stop smoking that stuff it's not good for your health.

babyosisi:
That was why I posted here
The poor girl is heavily tormented by demons and they are telling her to recite this and that
A spirit being is sleeping with her,cutting her and making her life hell and all the recitations cannot help her
Only Jesus can

ooman:
Even if this is true, this mean evolution and atheism are wrong? And it immediately suggest the jewish god exist?
Delusion of grandeur.

ooman:
Even if this is true, this mean evolution and atheism are wrong? And it immediately suggest the jewish god exist?
Delusion of grandeur.

Rilwayne001:
My question is the underlined, and please answer it with a scriptural backing....what will the lord do with those offerings?


Note: i have scripture to backup what was done to them, but you say yours first.

Rilwayne001:
You are either stup1d or dull to the extent that you cant read the chapter and verse i provided for you the other time. Since you find it so very hard that you can't comprehend the OP i told you to read Numbers 31:40 and tell me what the tribute to the lord his and what he did with them.

Meanwhile, those animals that was his oown share non of you have so far tell me whay he did with them, i only guess/assume that he roast or fry them...can you please tell me what he did with them mr. malvisguy212?



I don't know where you got this^^ from

We are talking about the midianites here and not benjamin.

We are talking about the 32virgins tribute of the bible God and not one 32000.

Are you this dull



Irrelevant.

I did'nt call God a muderer of innocent soul, rather your bible attributed it to him, your bible alleged that God was given 32virgins..and ii ask what he was going to do with them, is that too hard to comprehend

You need to go back for O'level