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Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 11:03am On Dec 14, 2014

charlesditro:
Heaven is not ment for Christians nor muslims. its ment for u and i.

heaven is meant for those who believe in the word of God(john1:1) .

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 11:01am On Dec 14, 2014

That2:
Exactly the same can be said of Islam, All religion tries to exclude themselves from bad eggs by labeling them "Not true".
Jihadist beheads toddler =He isn't a true Muslim
Adolf Hitler murder millions =He isn't a true Christian
Then what is the basis of religion? When it can't instill moral values on individuals. You can't just labelled these bag eggs "Not true Christians/Muslims" when in fact they change the coarse of history! You read how Christianity was just a "Small cult" until an emperor made it official and kill, prosecute and banished all pagan worshippers yet you say he isn't a true Christian. You read how the slave traders used the Bible to justify slavery and tortured Christianity into the minds of blacks yet you say they aren't true Christians. Tell me! If not for these "untrue Christians/Muslims" would we be having this conversation? If not for them would any Nigerians be Christians or Muslim? Why are you now expunging them away from history while they literary affect every part of your life? Why are blacks like this, why!

did you read my post?
The foundation of christianity is jesus christ,did he advice us to kill or revenge? But evidence from the quran and history show muhammed fought war and own slave.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 10:28am On Dec 14, 2014

iamord:
[b]hahaha!! U just made a grave blunder. I was born into a Christian home yet I know better than what you put up there. It just goes to show that you are brainwashed. Tell me one religion that started on a peaceful note and did not kill to drive their message and control? From out traditional religions to hebrew to asia?? Ok let me take you down memory lane... when i see Christians defending their faith purely based on what not, I should let you know that Christianity was a very "minor cult” in the fourth century, while "pagan" religions, especially Mithraism, were much more popular in the Empire put yourself into that time, will you not consider any religion apart from mithraism as pagan?. the Jesus cult
would have faded into oblivion if not for an imperial decree. “It is 391 CE now as Roman Emperor Theodosius elevates Jesus (posthumously) to divinity, declaring Christianity the only
"legitimate" religion of the world,under penalty of death. The ancient myth is rendered law. This decision by Theodosius is possibly the worst ever made in human history: what followed were century after century of torture and murder in the name Jesus and Christianity a year after the decree by Theodosius, crazed Christian monks of Nitria destroyed the majestic Alexandrian Library largely because philosophy and science are taught there—not the Bible. In Alexandria these are times of the highest of intellectual pursuits, all quashed by superstitious and ignorant Christians of the most godly and murderous variety: they had the "Holy Bible" on their side. The Church started killing unbelievers as early as the 4th century. The killing (often with torture) of heretics, church splinter groups, dissenters,atheists, agnostics, deists, pagans, infidels and unbelievers was supported by almost all mainstream Christian theology for over a thousand years.. Remember the witch hunts? Long ago and far away, past atrocities forgotten? So perhaps we should forgive and forget?. Around the world, the Christian Bible is still used to accuse people, usually children, of "witchcraft" and to punish them. Oh I almost forgot! The Bible decrees "Thou shalt not suffer a
witch to live" (Ex 22:18, with support from Dt 18:10-12, Lev 20:27, 2 Chr 33:6, Micah 5:12, and 1 Sam 28:3). In the New Testament, Christians are typically kept ignorant of certain evil and immoral words "If any man come to me, and HATE NOT his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple ." - Luke 14:26.. A lot of Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought,
sold, and treated worse than livestock.. The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
“However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your
children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this
way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)” just look at the tone or racism in this post. No wonder the whites and arabs had right to enslave a gullible black people. The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated. If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these? The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave? When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who
bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner
arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her
and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Not only does Jesus never advise against slavery, but he recommends savage whipping of disobedient slaves: "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes ." - Luke 12:47.
Damn! I can go on and on! Am sure pastors and church elders don't quote these verses. What I am just trying to say is that no religion is perfect! Deception are acts to propagate beliefs of things that are not true, or not the whole truth (as in half- truths or omission).. To everyone that reads this post. I say put on your thinking caps!!! Thank you!![/b]

I absolutely agree with atheists and others who say
that many atrocious things have been done in the
name of God, and even in the name of Christianity.
However, these atrocities were not perpetrated by
God, but by evil human beings. Christianity should be
judged
on the basis of what Jesus said and did, not on the
basis of the actions of people who merely claim to be
Christians. Foxe's Book of Martyrs details the deaths
of Christians who were killed because of their faith in
Christ, in many cases by people claiming to be
Christians.
Only God knows the true christians,we don't know for
sure who is a true christians but the bible help us to
knows our brothers in christ.
'' But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness and self-control. Against such things
there is no law.'' ( Galatians 5:22-23)
In addition, the true believer does what is right and
demonstrates love toward others. Even non-
believers can readily see who the true Christians are.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 10:25am On Dec 14, 2014

kinesis:
the book of genesis states clearly that there was a void which consists of the skies we see now and the visible land...only there was nothing...God did seperate these from each other in creation. science does agree very well with the bible...we are just too blind to see it

the book of genesis does not teaches that the heaven and earth was once join together,this contradict the big bang.

The void; it was confusion, and emptiness. In like
manner the work of grace in the soul is a new
creation: and in a graceless soul, one that is not born
again, there is disorder, confusion, and every evil
work: it is empty of all good, for it is without God; it
is dark, it is darkness itself: this is our condition by
nature, till Almighty grace works a change in us. (Ge
1:3-5)

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 9:16am On Dec 14, 2014

Slitz:
you mean the scientific natural laws that have been proven to be Impossible? Chai! do you read your bible at all ? Genesis1:9-19 claims God created the earth before the heavens.(it is a well known fact that our planet came from its own star, the sun. Funny abi? Hope u did a Lil bit of science.Their are soo many scientific miracles in the Quran, and proven too. you would be blown away! The attempts by people to distort this as always been shamed.
"Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then I split them apart?"(Quran21 verse30)
once again, hope you did a little bit of science?

the quran say heaven and earth was once join together before allah seperate it, science dose not agree with this, the quran say fluid(sperm) emancipated from the back born and rib, this is wrong,there are a lot of error in it.

the Bible was not written as a work of
science nor was its purpose to describe the workings
of the physical world. It was written to explain
spiritual principles - the nature of mankind, the
nature of God, and how people can have a personal
relationship with God. However, when the Bible
describes the physical world, it is accurate.
Time had a beginning
2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2, 1 Corinthians 2:7
Scientific evidence show the universe had a beginning.
The universe was created from the invisible
Hebrews 11:34
The dimensions of the universe were created
Romans 8:38-39
The universe is expanding
Job 9:8, Psalm 104:2, Isaiah 40:22. Their are a lot of it, but this is not the purpose of the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 8:45am On Dec 14, 2014

frosbel:
Lets be honest, we are all born into a culture , religion and tradition. We are a product of these factors plus the additional factor of parental upbringing.

Considering that there are over 50 world religions including the main ones , i.e Islam and Christianity each with a plethora of denominations or sects , especially in Christianity with over 40,000 sects and still growing, how can one be 100% confident that his/her religion and sect is the right one ??

Mr A is a Muslim and can swear with his life that Islam is the one and true religion and without this no one can be saved, Mr B is a Christian who believes that anyone who does not believe in Jesus is forever lost. But they were born into these religions and were tutored from kindergarten that they ONLY worship the true GOD.

Furthermore at a high level , the Sunnis believe the Shiites are hell bound and vice versa, Deeperlife believe they have the right doctrines but so do Christ embassy and redeemed.

We have so many doctrines, teachings, beliefs etc , but HOW DOES MAN FILTER THROUGH ALL THIS CONFUSION TO KNOW WHICH IS THE RIGHT WAY ?

Knowing that 40% of the worlds population will never agree with Islam or Christianity or may not even have heard about them, how can we be so sure that we are right and they are wrong and we are saved but they are damned. What is the premise for your conclusion ?

Please help me here.

Agnostics often fall into two camps - those who
believe that all
religions can lead to God or those who believe that
true religion cannot
be discerned. This page examines both positions in
an attempt to
determine where the truth may lie. Logically, there
are several
possibilities. Atheists would say that no religion leads
to God, since He
doesn't exist. It is possible that one, several or all
religions lead to God.
ALL WAYS LEAD TO GOD:
There are hundreds of religions in the world today,
and many ancient
religions that are no longer practiced. It is possible,
and perhaps likely,
that all religions contain some truth and/or good
moral advice.
However, in examining religious teaching, it is
important to examine
the fundamental beliefs of each religion and
compare those to each
other. When this is done, it is apparent that primary
religious teachings contradict each other. Judaism
says that the Messiah is coming,
Christianity says that He has come, and Islam says
that Mohammad
provided all the information necessary for religious
life. Obviously,
these truth claims cannot be simultaneously true,
since they contradict
each other. Logically, we must reject the idea that all
religions lead to
God.
TRUE RELIGEON:IS IT POSSIBLE TO DISCERN?
I believe that there are some things that we can
discern about God
from the nature of the universe. The universe
demonstrates some
remarkable evidence of design. What kind of God
designed all this, and how can we know His true
identity? Most people who believe God
exists would agree with the argument that the God
who designed the
universe must be a personal God. For God to put so
much time and care
into the design of the universe and life, it would
seem logical to
conclude that God really cared about His creation,
and was personally
involved in it's creation. A God who did not care
about his creation would never be expected to spend
14 billion years of development
just so that humans would have a nice place to live
for a few thousand
years. Therefore, it would seem likely that the true
God must be a
personal God, and not the God of deism, pantheism,
Buddhism, etc. So,
it would seem that these religions probably do not
represent the true
nature of God.
ELIMINATE THE ILLOGICAL:
The powerful and personal Creator God of the
universe would probably
want to reveal Himself to His spiritual creatures. So,
it seems likely that
God would have revealed His true nature to one or
more of the
peoples of the earth. Are all the revelations of the
world religions a
reflection of God or just certain one(s)? This is the
difficult question that
cannot be answered in merely one short page.
However, I believe one can come up with a best
answer through much study and through the
process of elimination. For example, some religions
make truth claims
that are obviously false. The LDS church (Mormons)
claims that gods are created through procreation and
that creatures created by those gods can eventually
become gods themselves. However, this religion
suffers
from the problem of how the first god came into
existence. Logic
would dictate that God is eternal and uncreated. All
religions that claim
otherwise would seem to be logically flawed.
BASIC RELIGEON CLAIM:
Since many religious claims contradict one another, it
would seem that
not all religions could be simultaneously true. How
can we tell which
religion(s) are true? If you examine the world
religions, most describe
ethical and moral laws that are ascribed to God.
Breaking of those laws
is an offense to God. How do different religions
handle that problem?
Many religions say that if one tries to obey God's laws
most of the time, God will accept you. However, I
believe that we can eliminate
that idea as being true of the Creator God of the
universe. God designed
physical laws of the universe. These laws are constant
and
unbreakable. God Himself, seems to break those
physical laws only
rarely. I propose that this God would not accept the
breaking of His
moral laws so easily. In fact, from the nature of the
physical laws, it would seem that God would not
accept the breaking of His moral laws
at all. Nearly all religions claim that God will ignore
our breaking of His
moral laws as long as we try our best. This is where
Christianity differs
from all other world religions. Christianity says that
our good works
cannot erase our bad moral choices. Think of it in
terms of our legal
systems. We are convicted of crimes on the basis of
breaking the law. If we break a law, we are found
guilty under the law. It doesn't matter
what good things we have done in our lives, if we
break the law. We
might get a lesser sentence, but we will still be
convicted of a crime.
So, God cannot simply ignore our crimes against Him.
We will be found
guilty, despite our good works. Christianity says that
our bad deeds
(sins) must be eliminated in order to be acceptable to
God. The elimination of sins was accomplished by the
sacrifice of the Savior
(Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ is God Himself, who came
to earth, led a sinless life, and died on the cross as a
sacrifice to take the sins of
mankind. So, God Himself provided a means of
eliminating our sins
against Him. However, the elimination of sins is not
automatic. Since
God will allow people into His presence after death,
they must agree to
His terms. This contract is executed through faith in
the sacrifice of
Jesus Christ to eliminate our sins. By accepting God's
terms, our sins are erased and we can stand in the
presence of God without any sin. Only
our good deeds will be counted for our judgment.
Those who don't
accept God's terms will be judged on the basis of
God's laws - and will
be found guilty.
CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT :
No other religion provides a provision for God's
forgiveness of
sin, which is why I believe Christianity to be the only
true way
to God. Jesus said He is the only way to God and that
all people
must follow Him to enter heaven. All other religions
are man's attempt to become acceptable to God.
Only Christianity says
that God alone provides the only means to be
acceptable to
Him. So, either Christianity is true and all other
religions are false or
Christianity is false and God does not hold people
accountable for law
breaking. Personally, I would not want to rely upon
God ignoring His
own rules. It doesn't seem to be logical reasoning.
This is the choice you must make.
CONCLUSION:
So, I encourage you to examine the world religions to
see if what I am
saying is true. Don't give up on the ability to separate
the truth claims
of the world's religions. If Christianity is true, you
must make a choice
or you will be judged on the basis of your sins against
God. Let me
know if you have any questions.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 7:34am On Dec 14, 2014

Sheenor:
Muhammed is his messenger not only messenger....and to the bolded, you can't just say such and expect us to believe.... where is the evidence?....do you got any

first their is the satanic verse, when his people were doubting him they are loosing patience on him because muhammed did not acknowledged their gods,his follower were even doubting him verse 19 and 20 were reveal to him and he bow with the pagan.this new development encourage the people to believe him, after he was accepted then the other verse were reveal to him that go against the pagan gods
Quran 22:25. Their are a lot of fail prophecy in the quran, view my thread you will see the evidence.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 1:07am On Dec 14, 2014

Slitz:
Guy , I have read many of your posts and I must confess you are mostly illogical in your arguments. whatever rocks your boat, follow it! "Thumma ka lla sa ya'alamun(Verily, you would come to know!)"

thank you for your time. I dint just follow my faith with blind faith, I have seen jesus, on many occasion he saved me , sometimes he appeared as a lamb and sometimes as a shinning light.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 1:03am On Dec 14, 2014

denigma2:
The reality is that in order to answer the question, of which religion is the right one, we've got to think for ourselves based on available information.
We've got to think from the known to the unknown
If per adventure I find myself inside a moving train or a bus, which kind of questions would I ask myself? Why am I here? Where is this train going to? Where am I coming from? Who placed me here? What is expected of me?...
Everyone other thing would be insignificant until I find answers to these questions.
Unfortunately, we've all taken these life defining questions for granted. If we spend our entire lives seeking the reasons, essence and source of our existence, it would be worthwhile.
We end up depending on others for answers. Lets ask ourselves. Can we depend on another stranger's description when locating a new place. Then why depend on others for answers to these questions. It will be unacceptable if we agree with others' opinions on these hook, line and sinker without thinking through them thoroughly.
Read the Quran, Bible, Torah e.t.c and ask yourself some important questions:
Can Jesus be God?
After death what next?
Who is my Creator?
Why did He create me?

to know which religion lead to the true God, read here https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one. You will be enlighten.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 12:57am On Dec 14, 2014

Slitz:
How did u arrive at the conclusion that the past Prophets could have been living in lies when I stated clearly that they all preached the same message and that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) only brought the message from God which is a confirmation of what came before. None of the Prophets ever ordered that you worship other than the Creator, they all preached the message of submission to the Creator. and Islam is derived from the root word of Submission and peace!

muhammed was in the cave of hira when the truth descend on him, meaning a new chapter of truth has just began,a new religion. Why the truth did not descend on other prophet? Could this mean the main reason islam get their religion creed (I believe in allah and muhammed is his only messenger?) Can you differentiate the truth other prophet were living in and the truth that descend on muhammed? Their are a lot of evidence that show the quran was spiritually manipulated by satan.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 12:03am On Dec 14, 2014

malvisguy212:
One of the most common reasons skeptics reject the existence of God is due to the presence of evil in this universe. They reason that a perfect God would not create a universe in which evil exists. Skeptics claim that since God created everything that God must have also created evil. They even cite Bible verses, such as:

'' I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
( Isaiah 45:7, KJV)''

'' Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people
not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the
LORD hath not done it? ( Amos 3:6, KJV)''

'' Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not
evil and good? ( Lamentations 3:38)''

However, evil is not really a created thing. You can't
see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of
the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe. Still, skeptics like to claim that God created evil and cite the Bible to "prove" their point. The Bible is quite clear that God is not the author of evil and insists that He is incapable of. doing so.

Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that
they were still back in medieval England. Use of this
translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't
necessarily mean the same things today as when it
was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the
KJV was produced using a limited number of
medieval manuscripts that did not represent the
earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.

WHAT DO THE MODERN TRANSLATION SAY?

1.Isaiah 45:7.
The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the
LORD who does all these. ( Isaiah 45:7, NASB)
I form the light and create darkness, I bring
prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all
these things. ( Isaiah 45:7, NIV)
Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness is the
opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated "peace" is
shampoo, which has many meanings, mostly related
to the well being of individuals. Râ‛âh, the Hebrew
word translated "evil" in the KJV often refers to
adversity or calamity. There are two forms of the
word. Strong's H7451a most often refers to moral
evil, whereas Strong's H7451b (the form used here)
most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously,
"calamity" is a better antonym of "peace" than "evil."
2.Amos3:6.
If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people
tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the
LORD done it? ( Amos 3:6, NASB)
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people
tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the
LORD caused it? ( Amos 3:6, NIV)
Likewise, Amos 3:6 uses the same word, râ‛âh,
referring to calamity or disaster. the context (a
disaster happening to a city) does not refer to moral
evil.
3. Lamentations 3:38
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both
calamities and good things come? ( Lamentations
3:38, NIV)
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both
good and ill go forth? ( Lamentations 3:38, NASB)
The King James Version of Lamentations 3:38 seems
to suggest that God speaks both good and evil.
However, if one reads the verse in context, the
preceding verses indicate that God does not do or
approve of evil. The verse following indicates that
people should not complain in view of their sins.
What the verse really is saying that God decrees
times of good things and times of judgment.
Lamentations was written by Jeremiah during a time
of judgment, when Judah had gone off into exile.
Jeremiah was chosen by God to be the prophet to
tell Judah to reform or be judged. The people did
not believe Jeremiah, and, therefore, fell under
God's judgment. In Lamentations 3:38, the word
translated "good" is ṭôb (Strong's H2896). The word
usually refers to good things as opposed to bad
things. Again, râ‛âh does not refer to moral evil, but
calamities, in this verse. Likewise, the Bible
commentaries indicate that the verse refers to God's
judgment based upon people's sin
Conclusion;
God is not the author of evil. However, God does
reward and punish on the basis of good and bad
behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and
calamity (either directly or through human
authorities) on those who rebel. God will ultimately
judge all people, since rebels will not be allowed in
the new, perfect creation.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You Know Your Religion Or Denomination Is The Right One by malvisguy212: 11:59pm On Dec 13, 2014

Slitz:
The answer is as simple as ABC! anything that takes you away from the worship of the one who created you, I mean the Lord of the heavens the earth and the universe is falsehood, without doubt. Anything that claims God is divided into segments yet still one , is deception. And the theory that most Muslims who bcm xtians, discovered Jesus(peace be upon him) is an illusion. 99% of the people I have seen abandon Islam( the religion that reminds you to submit to NONE other than the One who created you) and uphold a religion that says 1+1+1=1 is simply because of trials which they wer facing. And God reminds us in the Quran that "do the people think that they would be left to say we believe and would not be tested?" many Muslims have failed to understand this and unfortunately get misguided by the "Miracle workers". The earlier generation who believed in their Lord and ascribed no partners to Him wer definitely guided. Moses, Abraham, Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Noah(peace be upon them all) bowed down to their Creator. We have no doubt that they wer upon the truth. So there can be no doubt that the religion that goes in line with the message they brought is the truth. The religion of Islam was not introduced by Muhammad (SAW) rather he came with the same message of the earlier Prophets. The message of submission to One God without partners, no sons, no daughters, no wifes. "He begets not nor is He begotten"

muhammed claim the truth descend on him in the cave of hira, dose this mean all the pass prophet were living in lies? The quran say muhammed is the first muslim.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Deny The Virgin Birth Of Jesus by malvisguy212: 11:54pm On Dec 13, 2014

frosbel:
see this one, I clearly posted the link and you are posting it again as if it was not originally posted, see what religious fanaticism can do to people.

ok, I got your attention now, narrate the birth of jesus or yeshua, let here your own view, thank you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Deny The Virgin Birth Of Jesus by malvisguy212: 11:49pm On Dec 13, 2014

IanDiamonds:
Do you believe in the word of God?

The devil is sitting on you. You have yourself fooled.
Please do remeber to format your copy and paste articles before you post them here, it's quite annoying and stressful having to align and format the normal Jibberish you copy and paste.

brother, ignore him, he is an atheist, he got this write up from this site http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2008/06/why-i-deny-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comments

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Deny The Virgin Birth Of Jesus by malvisguy212: 11:32pm On Dec 13, 2014

[quote author=frosbel post=28841059][/quote]you say the God impregnated mary? May God forgive you.the bible is clear for us to understand, the spirit of God overshadow her,a holy seed was implanted in her, the seed is called the son of God,even the demon called him the Holy one in mark1:24. mary was not the first person in the bible the holy spirit come upon.the bible make it clear that God gives life via the holy spirit in the book of job,in job 3:34
''The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the
Almighty gives me life.'' This make perfect sense because isaiah prophesied the virgin birth,and the spirit of God give life,however jesus is the fullness of God (collosians 1)

Read the following verses;
Luke 1:35
New International Version
The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on
you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow
you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Acts 1:8
New International Version (NIV)
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit
comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in
Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the
ends of the earth.”

Should we say the holy spirit impregnated this people? (God forgive me) may God help those who your are misleading. Don't lie against the holy spirit, thank you.

This was the second times am typing this, my post is mysteriously missing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Deny The Virgin Birth Of Jesus by malvisguy212: 11:31pm On Dec 13, 2014

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Deny The Virgin Birth Of Jesus by malvisguy212: 10:18pm On Dec 13, 2014

frosbel:
A lot of your beliefs are Pagan myths which you hold as idols of worship.

That is why you guys never win any true converts , what you have is mostly hypocrites and holier than thou people following and almost worshipping one man called Kumuiyi.

Stop letting Kumuyi think for you, starting dusting the cobwebs off your brain and THINK , REASON and APPLY TRUTHS.

how was jesus born? Can you narrate it?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Christians Should Celebrate Christmas.not For Athiest. by malvisguy212(op): 9:57am On Dec 13, 2014

OAM4J. Frontpage please in God name. Please

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Born On December 25? Is December 25 Jesus' Birthday? by malvisguy212: 9:53am On Dec 13, 2014

MzNelly:
He was born sometime around October.

Christmas remains a mystery to me.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042382/why-christians-should-celebrate-christmas.not[url]

MzNelly:
He was born sometime around October.

Christmas remains a mystery to me.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042382/why-christians-should-celebrate-christmas.not[/url]

MzNelly:
He was born sometime around October.

Christmas remains a mystery to me.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042382/why-christians-should-celebrate-christmas.not

Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery About Christmas; Should Christain Celebrate Christmas? by malvisguy212: 9:52am On Dec 13, 2014

peteregwu:
it is the work of the Vatican. they are never christians, but pagans and Satan worshippers, even up til now. so the Vatican initiated Christmas, to offend God. they always love to create things that will always go contrary to the word of God. they are Antichrist and working for him till the appointed time.

waiting concern me with Christmas.

am not a catholic but the write up may be true but it is the work of satan to go against the work and salvation God plan for us, hurus mithras and any demon can be born on the 25 of december but the bible is clear, we don't know the exactly date of christ birth but the book of romans 14 encourage us to set a date for worshipping or making a feast for God, read more on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2042382/why-christians-should-celebrate-christmas.not God himself approve it.

Christianity Etc › Why Christians Should Celebrate Christmas.not For Athiest. by malvisguy212(op): 9:41am On Dec 13, 2014

The question of whether Christians should celebrate
Christmas seems like a foregone conclusion.
However, a number of Christians are strongly against celebrating Christmas. This thread will examine the question of celebrating Christmas from the scriptures. Are there good reasons for or against
celebrating Christmas? How should we celebrate?
Their are two answer to this question, YES and NO,let us take a look at the answers;

CELEBRATE,YES
Although there is no record of early Christians
celebrating Christmas in the Bible, there is a record
of God celebrating the first Christmas. According to
the gospel of Luke, God sent a multitude of angels
who were praising God and announced the birth of
Jesus to a number of shepherds. So, God Himself
doesn't seem opposed to celebrating Christmas.

Luke2:13-14 '' Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host
appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14
“Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor
rests.”

This is enough prove that even the heavenly host celebrate the announcement of christ birth,it was God himself that approve it. Skeptic say jesus was not born in december, yes, no one know the exactly date but bible tell us how to celebrate a feast;

Romans 14.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than
another; another considers every day alike. Each of
them should be fully convinced in their own mind.6
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the
Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for
they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does
so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

CELEBRAITE NO
A history of the church shows that Christmas was not
celebrated for the first three centuries after Jesus'
resurrection. The first Christian Roman emperor,
Constantine, began the celebration of Christmas on
December 25 in 325 A.D. The December 25th date of
Christmas might have been selected to correspond
with the winter solstice or with the Roman solar
holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, but was unlikely to
be the actual birthday of Jesus. For this reason alone,
many Christians have rejected the traditional
December 25th celebration of Jesus' birth.

WHAT TO CELEBRATE.
The Bible is clear that Christians should not be telling
other Christians what days to celebrate, as long as
they honor God and do it giving thanks to Him. So,
whether or not a Christian celebrates Christmas is up
to their own personal conscience. However, the
manner in which Christians celebrate Christmas is a
legitimate topic for discussion among Christians.
Certainly, entertaining family and friends and
celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ honors God and
fulfills the advice given by Paul in Romans 14.7
However, random "holiday" parties and endless gift
exchange just adds to the secularization of Christmas.

CONCLUSION;
Christmas should be a time to celebrate God's
greatest gift to us, the birth of Jesus Christ. Although
we do not know the day (or even the year) of Jesus'
birth, celebrating on December 25th is as good as
any. In fact, many of the feasts given in the Old
Testament were based upon a calendar that was not
365 days long, resulting in them being celebrated on different solar days each year. Even the Christian
celebration of Easter is based upon the Jewish
Passover, so is not celebrated on a specific day of the solar year. The Bible advises that Christians celebrate based upon their own consciences, "giving thanks to God." So, we advise celebrating as the Lord leads, but always giving thanks for God's great gift to humanity.

MARRY CHRISTMAS IN ADVANCE.

Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery About Christmas; Should Christain Celebrate Christmas? by malvisguy212: 8:56am On Dec 13, 2014

holatin:
NOoooooo

why?

Christianity Etc › Re: On Denominationalism by malvisguy212: 8:46am On Dec 13, 2014

Joshthefirst:
Straight to the point then: Are you a Christian? The criteria for becoming saved is in Romans 10: 8-13

You cannot lose your salvation by belonging to a denomination, or attending a particular church group or fellowshipping with some particular brethren of like faith, as long as you still believe Jesus is the Son of God who died and rose again for your salvation.

Jesus doesn't look at denominations to count you worthy of salvation. He looks at whether you have faith in him or not.

As far as we believe in the first and only criteria stated above. The differences in denominations is a difference in knowledge.

And its very easy to know which fellowship is gaining ground with the help of God: Stop reading nonsense about issues online and go see and hear for yourself. Let Gods spirit guide you to choose who you listen to.

Where the word of God is preached there will be demonstration of power and blessing.

God bless you bro. Many people want to becomes right with God by disconnecting them self from their brethren.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Born On December 25? Is December 25 Jesus' Birthday? by malvisguy212: 8:38am On Dec 13, 2014

Maamin:
Who told you no one knows the exact date?...with careful study and deduction in the events that leads to his death I think we could come to a better conclusion on his birth. Although is not october like MzNelly assert.

the reason I say no one knows the date is because some say october some april some march and many christians believe it is december. All this cannot be true. Anyway thank you for your faith in christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 7:42am On Dec 13, 2014

Unluvable:

job's story is very disturbing...we are pawns in the great game of chess between the almighty and his adversary. alas! the almighty will always checkmate after much pawns have been kicked out.
what a great news!

Another reason for rejecting God (choosing atheism),
is a willing acceptance of satanic deception.

The angel Lucifer (“luminous one”) fell and became
Satan (“adversary”) due to his desire to supplant God.
This was Lucifer’s single-minded obsession.
He not only rejected God by attempting to supplant
Him, but he urged humans to do likewise. Satan
urged Eve to choose against God for her own self-
fulfilment:
He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You
shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the
woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit
of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall
not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of
the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not
surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it
your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,
knowing good and evil.” ( Genesis 3:1-5 ESV).
LET US ANALYZ THIS VERS;
The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s statements, then, contradict God’s statements and, finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality with God.
This manifests in atheists as;
1. Questioning whether there is a God to make
statements in the first place, so God did not say
anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to have been
spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing God with
the self.
This satanic deception appeals strongly to atheists as
it bolsters two of their desired delusions:
1) absolute
autonomy—being free to do as they please, and 2)
the lack of ultimate accountability—there are no
eternal consequences for doing as they please.

Look at Satan's reason for rebelling against God. It's
not that he doesn't recognize that God is greater than he is. He does. It's just that he doesn't want to play by anybody else's rules. This idea that it is better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven is Satan's motto, and it turns out that this is also the motto of contemporary atheists such as Christopher Hitchens.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Born On December 25? Is December 25 Jesus' Birthday? by malvisguy212: 7:27am On Dec 13, 2014

MzNelly:
He was born sometime around October.

Christmas remains a mystery to me.

no one know the exact date but the bible is clear, we should celebrate God gift to us.bible record show God himself celebrate the first christmas.

By his grace I will soon open a thread about christmas.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The 'homeless' Pastor by malvisguy212: 6:11am On Dec 13, 2014

MissMeiya:
https://i.imgur.com/SON9UCi.jpg

"Pastor Jeremiah Steepek (pictured) transformed himself into a homeless person and went to the 10,000 member church that he was to be introduced as the head pastor at that morning. He walked around his soon to be church for 30 minutes while it was filling with people for service....only 3 people out of the 7-10,000 people said hello to him. He asked people for change to buy food....NO ONE in the church gave him change. He went into the sanctuary to sit down in the front of the church and was asked by the ushers if he would please sit n the back. He greeted people to be greeted back with stares and dirty looks, with people looking down on him and judging him.

As he sat in the back of the church, he listened to the church announcements and such. When all that was done, the elders went up and were excited to introduce the new pastor of the church to the congregation........"We would like to introduce to you Pastor Jeremiah Steepek".... The congregation looked around clapping with joy and anticipation.....The homeless man sitting in the back stood up..... and started walking down the aisle.....the clapping stopped with ALL eyes on him....he walked up the altar and took the microphone from the elders (who were in on this) and paused for a moment....then he recited

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

After he recited this, he looked towards the congregation and told them all what he had experienced that morning...many began to cry and many heads were bowed in shame.... he then said....Today I see a gathering of people...... not a church of Jesus Christ. The world has enough people, but not enough disciples...when will YOU decide to become disciples? He then dismissed service until next week....... Being a Christian is more than something you claim. I'ts something you live by and share with others."

... according to Snopes, this is an urban legend. But what do you think?

God bless you for this wonderful post my sister.many are called few are chosen.
Mod frontpage.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The 'homeless' Pastor by malvisguy212: 6:10am On Dec 13, 2014

MissMeiya:
https://i.imgur.com/SON9UCi.jpg

"Pastor Jeremiah Steepek (pictured) transformed himself into a homeless person and went to the 10,000 member church that he was to be introduced as the head pastor at that morning. He walked around his soon to be church for 30 minutes while it was filling with people for service....only 3 people out of the 7-10,000 people said hello to him. He asked people for change to buy food....NO ONE in the church gave him change. He went into the sanctuary to sit down in the front of the church and was asked by the ushers if he would please sit n the back. He greeted people to be greeted back with stares and dirty looks, with people looking down on him and judging him.

As he sat in the back of the church, he listened to the church announcements and such. When all that was done, the elders went up and were excited to introduce the new pastor of the church to the congregation........"We would like to introduce to you Pastor Jeremiah Steepek".... The congregation looked around clapping with joy and anticipation.....The homeless man sitting in the back stood up..... and started walking down the aisle.....the clapping stopped with ALL eyes on him....he walked up the altar and took the microphone from the elders (who were in on this) and paused for a moment....then he recited

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

After he recited this, he looked towards the congregation and told them all what he had experienced that morning...many began to cry and many heads were bowed in shame.... he then said....Today I see a gathering of people...... not a church of Jesus Christ. The world has enough people, but not enough disciples...when will YOU decide to become disciples? He then dismissed service until next week....... Being a Christian is more than something you claim. I'ts something you live by and share with others."

... according to Snopes, this is an urban legend. But what do you think?

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 9:18pm On Dec 12, 2014

Jack65:
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How about Freewill?? Does it have any of those attributes? But you claim God created it, no?

God gives us the freewill to choose.you are saying diff thing here,anyway,thank you for your time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 8:33pm On Dec 12, 2014

davien:
Yup..."god" is not the "author of evil"....it just allows it to happen.
Might I remind you of Job,whom "god" allegedly allowed his children be killed only to give him "brand new kids" as though children are commodities?

The devil caused Job’s troubles (Job 1:12; Job 2:6-7).
But Job did not know this fact. So Job thought that
God caused the problems (Job 19:1-12). In fact, God
did not cause Job’s troubles. God merely permitted
Job to suffer. Still, Job trusted God. And Job refused
to insult God (Job 2:9-10).

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212(op): 8:25pm On Dec 12, 2014*

Jack65:
Lol! Guy you should know when to accept defeat and just quit. You are embarrassing yourself and your brethren here.

atheist trying to prove a non existence being killed something that exist.

Christianity Etc › Re: Facts in Koran Muslim, Jesus Is Your God, And He Is Your Only Way To Escape Hell by malvisguy212: 8:12pm On Dec 12, 2014

God bless you highyo.

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