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RoyalPriesthuud:
Hmmm...insightful! That aspect of 'secularisation' of it is the main point here. Infact, celebrating Christ's birth shud not be tied down to Dec. 25th alone. When I look up to d sky sometimes and I see those beautiful stars, I'd just wanna praise Him. What am saying is that it's that praise aspect that matters an shud b a daily thing. Thank Him for giving Jesus up 4 us. If not for Him, I ought to ave been smitten dead a thousand times and one for my numerous sins(evn wit these brief stay on earth)

God bless you for this wonderful contribution.

frosbel:
One Spirit, right ?? Then why over 40,000 divisions ?

the Lord know's those that are His own.

PastorAIO:
Your two quotes there contradict each other. Is there sin or not? Is there violation of Law or not? If there is no sin then what is the basis of God's punishment?

I'm not an atheist, although I find that when a theist finds that I'm not in agreement with him the response is often to dismiss as an atheist.

ok,your argument is that the law apply to them (adam and his children)? Historical evidence prove the law was Not giving until thousand years later, so there would have been no prohibition against such marriages at that time
sorry for liken you to an atheist.there are sin God will not just let them live immoral life because the was not giving.

macof:
Read ur Bible, ur God did commission rape and genocide be done in his name
So did the Quran

Every act of Christians has been backed up by the Bible including rape, witch hunting and genocide

quote it , all of it, all the story let see, use international version (bible)

Weah96:
So what exactly is going to burn in hell fire? Can a spirit burn in fire?

is the fire in hell an ordinary fire? Have you ever seen a fire burn someone for soo long and the fellow did not die?

asala1:
Guy you are a pathetic lair. What? Are you there when it happened? God! what has Christianity turn people to? Such dumb-ass and stupid? See the way you are tying to fill the gaps with gibberish, it makes you look stupid and pathetic. If by any way you are pastoring a church, i can say categorically that you are fraudstar. SMH.

for what I understand in your post is abuse and accuse me of lying without proving me wrong. Shalom friend.

joseph1013:

Hey buddy, there is no need to punctuate your comments with such statements as 'You are free to choose to love God or hate him, it your choice'. Of course it is my choice and it came by virtue of some really rigorous search.

So back to our discourse. Since there is no law to cause sin, what is the basis for the punishment melted out on Cain in the first instance? Why was Cain punished for what he was not warned about?

One of the things I have noticed about the religious is their tendency to resort to extra-biblical explanations and interpretations. Saying I don't know is often a problem for them. And that is exactly the reason why there are so many sects and denominations in all versions of religions.

You have to ask yourself: why does an all-loving, all-knowing, all-powerful God leave his children in this constant confusion that has led men into wars and witch-hunts where tens of millions have been killed.

knowledge of good and evil is there,where did abel get the kind heart to love God? Are cain and abel not brothers? what abel learn from adam cain learn it also, but he chose to kill his brother.you cannot conclude. Your research base only on the genesis creation,the genesis creation story is like a summery, the book of job,isaiah and many other book talk about the God creative power,example genesis never say God created water but the book of job say it.

God did not create this world to be perfect, He only called it good,evil must exist for someone like you to have two option to love God or hate Him,for more information read here https://www.nairaland.com/1995965/athiest-claim-god-existed-prayer

ooman:
Ok, So I can now become a Christian and start embezzling company and country money, kill people and take their properties since I will not be judged right?

I now see why there is evil and corruption in the world even though most people are religious. Its because like you, they believe they will not be judged only if they believe. smh

I thought you are serious? What is the meaning of christian? After someone accept jesus,he will be sinless a new creature bible say ''a refining by fire'' thank you for your time.

PastorAIO:
Haba!! How all of una go see elephant inside room and you nor go talk?

If there was no law then and subsequently no sin, then by what did God judge Cain for murder? Abi Murder no go be violation of any law wey no exist.

Au contraire there was already Sin back then as Genesis 4 tells us:
6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

are you an atheist? All of the event happen before law was giving(jewish law) the fact that the law was not giving yet dos not mean God will not punish you for sin.

ooman:
Am sorry about your battery but Paul too was a murderer, even after the laws have been given, yet no where was it written that he was judged.

Does your god operate double standard in judgement?

paul persecute the church and kill christians when the promise of God has been fulfilled even paul say''I do not deserve to be called an apostle because I persecuted the church but by the grace of God I am what i am today''the point is that God judge those that died before the coming of christ base on there work,paul was saved because he believe in the salvation jesus brought to the world, If you believe in jesus you will not be judge.
John 3:18.New Living Translation
"There is no judgment against anyone who believes
in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has
already been judged for not believing in God's one
and only Son.

ooman:
Ok, but this contradicts what you said here...


If there was no 'theological problem ' with Cain marrying his sister, why then should he be judged for it? Work or not!

the law has not yet made active, is no theological problem but GOD IS ALL KNOWING, God judge him however that was not the sin that lead to his judgment, he was a murderer. Thank you for your time. My battery is low.

ooman:
ok, so Cain too will be judged for in.cest by 'work' right?

God has already judge cain after he killed his brother,all the event happen before the promise(gifft) of God has been fulfilled in the person of christ jesus,so yes God judge him according to his work.

ooman:
I thought I made it clear that I was referring to those who are dead, in the past, whom the bible never got to.

those who died before the coming of jesus are judge base on there work, the book of revelation made this clear.

ooman:
great, so those who have never head of the bible will not be judged right? they will just go straight to heaven even if they are criminals? Am talking about those whom your gospel never got to in the past before they died.

since

they will here the gospel,as long as the world is not yet come to end,it may mean some people has not heard.
bible say the gospel shall be preach to all nation then the end will come,it not yet the end of the world so this question is invalid. However there are evidence that say the gospel has been preach to most nation.

Abuamam:
When you guys want to knock 'Religion', please specify the Religion you are knocking, so that we don't waste our time clicking on a topic that does not concern us.

Furthermore, you cannot condemn all religion; (as your title implies); if you are disenchanted with just one. It's like I have a bad experience with one vehicle and I conclude that all models of all types of vehicle are useless.

what is this nonsense? Dint you read were the op say he was a christian before he started asking question? Maby you just want to mark your presence.

joseph1013:
Meaning that God allowed In.ce.st? According to the biblical scriptures, In.ce.st is forbidden.

“Never have sexual intercourse with anyone related to you by blood. I am the Lord." Leviticus 18:6 (God's Word Translation)

all of these events
happened before the law was given. According to the
Apostle Paul, when there is no law, there can be no
violation of the law or sin. So, since the law against
incest was not given until thousands of years later,
there was no theological problem with Cain marrying his sister.however,God is all knowing so he know what cain did was wrong,like I say earlier God caused to him may have lead to this.

You are free to choose to love God or hate him, it your choice.thank you.

it's a choice,you love God or you Reject Him,concerning the wife of cain;bible does not specifically say it only cain and abel was the son of adam,. Although Cain
does seem to be the firstborn, the text is not clear
that Abel was the second born, but only that he was
the second son. Later, the narrative indicates that
Adam and Eve produced "other sons and
daughters." So, it is possible that Adam and Eve
produced daughters between the births of Cain and
Abel. It is also likely that others sons and daughters
were produced after the birth of Abel. We don't know how old Cain and Abel were when Cain murdered his brother, but they seem to be at least young adults, since they are both engage in a trade. for their
living.

Although the period of time between the birth of
Cain and the death of Abel is not given in the Bible, it would seem that this period was probably over 100 years, since the birth of Adam's next son, Seth is said to have occurred when Adam was 130 years old. Adam and Eve could have produced many daughters during that period of time.
It is possible cain would have marry one of this sister,God caused him may have lead to this.

lomprico:
U still have not answered anything. Just beating around the bush. next time dont say what u dont know.

you ask a question ,why did paul a sinner encounter God? My first reply is ''we are saved by the grace of God if we believe''you'er not satisfy with this answer then my second reply was ''paul did not stand in God presence,he only herd a voice'' go and study about the ark of the covenant you will understand more.

It is only a spiritual being that is allow to stand in God presence.
What is wrong with this explanation?

lomprico:
U are dodging my question guy! U said d reason God will not confront a sinner is because he cant stand sin, and I askd why he confronted paul when he was still a persecutor and why he allowed d father of sin (satan) onto his presence and even struck a bet with him on job's account. I never said job eas a sinner. So bros WHY did God confront paul n allowed satan to his presence?

paul did not stand in the presence of God,he only here a voice,infect it was not a pleasant experience for paul.

Satan was a spiritual being,only a spiritual being are allow to be in the presence of God for judgment.when you die as a sinner, your flash will decomposed it was your spirit that will return to God for judgment.

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frosbel:
Countless people were saved outside the religion of those days , For instance , Job :

"In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil." - Job 1:1

Others included Caleb, Ruth , etc who were favoured because they lived an honourable life in reverence for God.

So , why is this not applicable today ?? Why can a man who lives a righteousness life with the fear of God not be acceptable in God's sight ?

they were saved by faith in God
.what you are trying to say here is this, good deed can saved a sinner,the idea of earning salvation through good deed is a belief in islam and judaism.. The idea
arose from a system that is dedicated to the teaching and practice of the law. However, the law, given by God, has been expanded by the rules of men as they attempted to interpret every instance of human behavior. As a result, the Jewish law is now all- encompassing, and even more difficult to obey than when it was originally given.

Being right with God;
So how do you become righteous enough to be
acceptable in the eyes of God? Much of the world has
decided that one can become acceptable to God if
the good deeds outweigh the bad deeds. The
problem is that this concept is never stated in the
Old Testament. The Hebrew word, yeshuah (Strong's
number H3444), or one of its derivatives, usually
translated "salvation," nearly always refers to a work
of God. In fact, in 104 out of 106 instances
"salvation" refers specifically to a work of God that
has nothing to do with any human effort.

A verse from the Psalms specifically ties salvation to belief:
Because they did not believe in God, And did not
trust in His salvation. ( Psalm 78:22)
Another verse indicates quite clearly that humans are unable to intercede on their own behalf because of our lack of righteousness:
And He saw that there was no man, And was
astonished that there was no one to intercede;
Then His own arm brought salvation to Him; And
His righteousness upheld Him. ( Isaiah 59:16)

The book of hebrew teaches salvation in the old testement https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+11&version=NKJV

Emusan:
Yeah Brother! And you?

by His grace am good. http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis1.html

Emusan:
If not because your brain is working upside down you would've asked yourself, which book did Femi Aribasala himself use?

You can agree with Femi when he used the same book that full of error but disagree with my point from the same book

I loved this reply. Hope you are doing alright bro.

lomprico:
Not that saul, saul the persecutor that later became Paul. And u have not explained the job scenario.

yes paul was a sinner infact a chief sinner but we are saved by his grace,even paul himself say;
1corinthian 15:9
For I am the least of the apostles and do not even
deserve to be called an apostle, because I
persecuted the church of God.

We are saved by his grace
Ephesians 2:8New Living Translation (NLT)
8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And
you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.

I said job was never a sinner,bible make it clear he was a righteous man.

sod09:
Is it even possible that December 25 could be
the day of Christ's birth?
History convincingly shows that Dec. 25
was popularized as the date for
Christmas, not because Christ was born on
that day but because it was already
popular in pagan religious celebrations as
the birthday of the sun.
But is it possible that
December 25 could be the day
of Christ's birth?
"Lacking any scriptural pointers to Jesus's
birthday, early Christian teachers
suggested dates all over the calendar.
Clement. . . picked November 18.
Hippolytus . . . figured Christ must have
been born on a Wednesday . . . An
anonymous document[,] believed to have
been written in North Africa around A.D. 243, placed Jesus's birth on
March 28" (Jeffery Sheler, U.S. News & World Report, "In
Search of Christmas," Dec. 23, 1996, p. 58).
A careful analysis of Scripture, however, clearly indicates that Dec. 25
is an unlikely date for Christ's birth. Here are two primary reasons:
First, we know that shepherds were in the fields
watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth
( Luke:2:7-8 ). Shepherds were not in the fields during December.
According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of
American Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may
have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and
rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for
their flocks at night" (p. 309).
Similarly, The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary
says this passage argues "against the birth [of Christ] occurring on
Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted" shepherds watching
over their flocks in the fields at night.
Second, Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to
register in a Roman census (Luke:2:1-4 ). Such censuses
were not taken in winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing
and roads were in poor condition. Taking a census under such conditions
would have been self-defeating.
Given the difficulties and the desire to bring pagans into Christianity,
"the important fact then . . . to get clearly into your head is that the
fixing of the date as December 25th was a compromise with
paganism" (William Walsh, The Story of Santa Klaus, 1970,
p. 62).
If Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25, does
the Bible indicate when He was born?
The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year as the most likely
time of Jesus' birth, based on the conception and birth of John the
Baptist.
Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy
when Jesus was conceived ( Luke:1:24-36 ), we can determine the
approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was
born. John's father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem
temple during the course of Abijah (Luke:1:5 ). Historical calculations
indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year
( The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).
It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he
and his wife Elizabeth would have a child ( Luke:1:8-13 ). After he
completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived
( Luke:1:23-24 ). Assuming John's conception took place near the end of
June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most
likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference
in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as
the likely time of Jesus' birth.


http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-dec-25/

yes no one knows the day or year but bible advice the believers how to celebrate a feast in the book of romans.

Romans14:5 One person considers one day more sacred than
another; another considers every day alike. Each of
them should be fully convinced in their own mind.6
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the
Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for
they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does
so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Bible evidence show God himself celebrate the birth of jesus together with the heavenly host in the book of luke.

lomprico:
Saul was a hard core sinner and God revealed himself to him. The devil (everything evil n sinful) came into Gods presence to bet with him (job's story (which I still dont believe)) so this ur explanation doesnt count.

saul was chosen by God via the prophet samuel,saul did not stand in God presence.job was a righteous man.

SweetyZinta:
there is only one truth! Qur'an. It revealed many tins d bible couldn't they include:- Jesus's miracles like making birds out of clay and breathin life into it, telling people wat they ate and wat they have in their store in suratul baqara. Suratul juma'a also said 'O you who believe Leave ur businesses and pray a congregational prayer after which u go back 2 ur biz. Bible hasnt bn able 2specify or prove goin 2church on sunday

wow, jesus gives life to a living thing, talk when he was 2 days old? Then jesus is a deity(God). The quran called him the word of God and spirit of God, the bible called him the son of God. How do you reconcile all this attribute in both the bible and quran liken jesus to ?

That2:
Unbelievers, Yes unbelievers! How god used used Moses, Judas etc to kill them the same way Allah used Muhammad to kill their own version of unbelievers. And you find nothing wrong in yours but find everything wrong in theirs. Another waste of time!

The Amalekites attacked the Israelites without
apparent provocation as they were traveling during
the Exodus ( Ex 17:. "When you were weary and
worn out, they met you on your journey and cut off
all who were lagging behind" ( Dt 25:17-18). They
later attacked Israel during the time of the Judges
( Jdg 3:13) and often raided the Israelites' land after
they had planted crops, leaving them with nothing
( Jdg 6:2-5). God punished the Amalekites by ordering
Saul to destroy them (1 Sam 15:2-3) - over 300 years
after they had first attacked Israel. During that time,
the Amalekites had contact with the Israelites and
would have heard about God. They could have
repented and changed their ways, but they continued
to raid and plunder other cities up to the time of Saul
and David ( 1 Sam 30:1-3). The Amalekites that Saul
and David warred against were clearly no better than
their ancestors who had first waylaid Israel.

This is the judgment of God on the amalekites,

The LORD said to Moses, "Write this on a scroll as
something to be remembered and make sure that
Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out
the memory of Amalek from under heaven."
Moses built an altar and called it The LORD is my
Banner. He said, "For hands were lifted up to the
throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war
against the Amalekites from generation to
generation." ( Ex 17:14-16)

There judgment has been pronounce long before the appointment of joshua but God speared them untill they filled the meassure of their sin.

That2:
Unbelievers, Yes unbelievers! How god used used Moses, Judas etc to kill them the same way Allah used Muhammad to kill their own version of unbelievers. And you find nothing wrong in yours but find everything wrong in theirs. Another waste of time!

the unbelivers you are referring to is the amalakites, when the isrealites are coming from egypt out of bondage , the amalakites were the first to attack the isrealite kill them, but God speared them until there marssure has been full. But muhammed is the first that wage war on the pagan in meccan because they did not agree with his new found faith.

hasshams:
oh please brother,don't believe this,4 it is most likely from d deceivers,the muslims's qur'an has never said The heaven and earth was once joint nad god seperated them,this even sounds insane.from what I found out is that God created the heavens and so also the earth in six days,there is never anything like joint heaven and earth.if that is the case who created them and join tem that god have to come and seperate them?andsecondly,I think it might interest you to know that there are over hundreds of facts given by the qur'an that are scientifically proven,coz Allah the creator of everything the giver of knowledge(e.g science knowledge) knows his creations better than any so called scientist.so even if the qur'an said that The Sperm is emancipated from d back bone and scientist happened to suggest a different thing as you claimed then d error should be from them not d creator,beside scientist have many times without number gives out results of their scientific findings where by later on may be after many years of further research then come up with a proof that contradict and falsify the fist one condeming it completely to make the later one the genuine.pls google the qur'an facts confirmed by scientist.and mind you,sorry to say this your things you hv quoted from d bible gives nothing a man can stand on talk-less of prooving anything.I am not amuslim but I will be ready to accept islam after I am done with my research which I'm already getting to conclusion.pls my brother,I will not call you to join me but I would like you to calm yourself down,get reed of any sentiment and search for the truth,the true religion wich explains everything about this world and beyond

the quran teaches heaven and earth was once join together.

“Have those who disbelieved not considered that
the heavens and the earth were a joined entity,
then We separated them, and made from water
every living thing? Then will they not
believe?” (Quran 21:30)

That2:
By the way you didn't address the question. I ask If not for these "untrue Christians" would we be having this conversation? When so called "bad Christians" spreads the Gospel to you, you should question that Gospel. If it is so great they wouldn't be so bad!

thank you for calling them untrue christians, if you want me to answer your question, then you must quote from the bible were jesus teaching encourage killing.

That2:
Then exclude the old testament from the Bible were worst things happens. Since Jesus is the only way and light you don't need that testament or it would be used to judge Christianity. Even Jesus condone slavery btw.

what is the worst thing that happen in the old testement? If you want to quote how God killed unbelievers you must quote the whole story let us see there evil deed.

beestruck:
Atheism is the one and only true religion no mind-controlling

evidence show atheism are the worst in times of killing.