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Pr0ton:
While most of the questions here are directly to the Christians, all are to those who believe in one God.



Q1. Don't you think that your faith is God's hope of existence, and when everyone loses his faith God dies and becomes inexistent?

Q2."...and on this rock will I build my church, and the gate of hell shall not prevail agaisnt it"..."No weapon that is formed against you shall prevail" why then does Boko Haram prevail against the Christians in the North?

Q.3 God, the omniscient, knew some men would fall and go to hell. Why didn't He just create the good ones and leave the bad ones if truly "He doesn't want any to perish"?

Q4. If God is perfect and makes no mistakes, why does He regret/repent frequently in the Bible?

Q5. If light and darkness can't exist why do good and evil exist?

Q6. "I desire mercy, not sarifice", Hosea 6:6, why did He still sacrifice His Son for our sins?

Q7. If the penalty for sin is eternal torment in hell, then did Jesus really pay the penalty for sin?

malvisguy212:
Bible record shows that at the very beginning of his ministry, Jesus
encountered a spirit creature who confronted him with the sole
intention of breaking his integrity. Jesus was destined to become the
cornerstone of the Christian faith and Satan wanted to destroy the
foundation upon which Christianity was to be built. However, Jesus
foiled the plans of Satan by not submitting to his crafty designs. And Satan fled. The full account of Jesus’ encounter with Satan can be read
at Matthew 4:1-11.


At the beginning of his calling as Allah’s messenger, Muhammad too
came into contact with a spirit creature in the cave of Hira. This
encounter terrified Muhammad. He became convinced that the spirit
creature was a demon. And Muhammad fled. However, he was later
led to believe that this spirit creature was an angelic messenger from
Allah – a medium to receive revelations from Allah. Was Muhammad deceived?
If the angelic messenger who spoke to Muhammad was truly sent by
God, then Muhammad is the first person in recorded history to
mistaken a “messenger of God” for a demon. According to his own
testimony, he at first thought that the angel was a demon, from whom
he ran and hid in fear. Muhammad only realized his “error” after his
wife – a business woman, who never saw or heard the supernatural messenger – convinced him otherwise.Muhammad thought he was possessed by a
demon, until his wife reassured him that he had become a prophet.
Through Khadijah’s persuasion, he came to believe that he had
received a divine mission from God.


The most important difference between the callings of God’s prophets
in the Bible and Muhammad’s calling is that there is not a single
incident in the Bible where someone confused the calling of God with
that of Satan. When God spoke, not one of those called by Him ever
said: “I wonder if this is from God or Satan?” In all cases, the calling of
God was so convincing, so conclusive and so authoritative that the recipients of the divine mission were immediately certain. There was
no question as to who originated the call. Neither was there a need for
the assurance of anyone else. The divine callings experienced by the
prophets of the true God were completely different from the one
experienced by Muhammad. Jesus Christ gave the following warning: Matthew 12:31: “Therefore I say unto you, every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be forgiven.” One of the unforgivable sins against the Holy Spirit is to ascribe the works of God to Satan. Coming to Muhammad, we are left with two
options. One: Muhammad was wrong when he concluded that the calling of God was from Satan. Two: Muhammad was right when he concluded that the calling, which came through the angel, was from
Satan. If Muhammad was wrong when he interpreted the calling of God as coming from Satan, then he ensnared himself by ascribing the works of
God to the Devil. And by claiming that Islam is built on the foundation
of Judaism and Christianity, Muhammad placed himself under the
divine judgment of the Holy Bible. According to the divine laws of the
Holy Bible, he blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and thus committed
the unforgivable sin. However, if Muhammad was right and the angelic visitor was indeed from Satan, then a false religion began in
the cave that day – a religion inspired by none other than Satan
himself. Either option disqualifies Muhammad as a prophet of the true
God. And at the same instant, Islam is disqualified as the religion of the
true God.

haffaze777:
brainwashed mumu

macof:
Lmao I jst dey observe

AmunRaOlodumare:
It's true that Jesus doesn't seem to have fulfilled even its own biblical prophecy. I now understand why the Jews don't believe in him. Isaiah 2:4, and surrounding verses, makes it pretty clear he didn't fulfill the prophecy.

He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

It's irrefutable. But in general I think there's some wisdom (as well as bad archaic things) in every religions on earth.

macof:
Did u not read that Jesus isn't a Messiah(Mashiach) because he was never annoited (Exodus 29:7, I Kings
1:39, II Kings 9:3)

He never brought Jews back into Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

He never judged nations...Nations never stopped wars against each other because of him (Isaiah 2:4). Infact because of Jesus and christianity nations have fought against other nations even more, Nations have even fought within themselves and families even fight themselves

49:10 and Isaiah 11:1 makes us understand that the Messiah must come from The tribe of Judah and be a descendant of David or at least David's father Jesse
Did Jesus fulfil this? No cus he had no father but born of a Virgin

macof:
I can see you are daft and as rinrin said it's best to ignore a fool, but u are even a complete slowpoke.
Simple task I gave u: address the verses I posted afterall u asked me to prove with Bible that Jesus is a fraud and I did exactly that anybody who reads through this forum can see I did my part...it's left for u to either call the verses I posted words of Satan or find some intelligent comments to the Bible verses...I know u are incapable of intelligent comments anyway so you have done the best you can do -IGNORE THE BIBLE

PastorAIO:
My guy, on this nairaland Christians have done more to make atheists than any atheist. That is so true. It is not so much their arguments but the rancid, aggressive, bullying way that they go about posting and making threats. To defeat them in argument all one has to do is encourage them to speak.

I suspect that they can now see the futility of their rabid threats and that is why they have now run away.

macof:
chai! Na wa for christianity

can't u jst address the Bible verses I posted.
are those verses denying Jesus as Messiah not God's words?

Address them before giving me ur own verses.

Dapo777:
How would you describe a man that sits you down with very hot fire he created beside him,telling you: you know What? You see Dat fire over there? I created it,and It's very hot,But I don't wish you to go into the fire because I love you,But I still created the fire. Here is the deal,I know I gave u ur freewill But I don't want u to do ur will But mine. I want u to love me and do everything I say So I can be happy,But just incase you don't want to do my will,that fire over there is waiting to receive you(smiles) ,I am not forcing you to do my will ooo and I am not interfering with ur will at all ooo But I created that fire over there to torture you If u don't do my will,you see that i am not interferring at all,But I am not forcing u ooooo yet I created a very hot fire to BURN you for eternity,you see that I am not forcing you,don't think that fire is a threat against your will,see that fire as my anger for u not obeying my will because I love u and I love u enough to see you burn for eternity. Tell me who do you know loves as much as I do? Who else is as caring as to see his children burn in hell for eternity as me? You see that I am the Most caring? THAT'S my boy. Now the decision is yours, love me or burn in hell for eternity,Which one do you choose?



Hahahahahahaha, What do you think about that man above?

Dapo777:
Malvisguy212 u ignored plenty of the verses I quoted and u expect me to take u seriously
You are such a joke.

Why did you ignore Proverbs 26:4-5 and other verses too Which you didn't even say anything about. Now u have seen the folly of the Bible and you look away pretending not to see it.

The Bible is the most contradictory, incoherent, superstitious, inaccurate and most ridiculous book I have ever studied in my life.

And it still baffles how people who claim to read the Bible fail to see these obvious glaring contradictions at every page of the Bible

Dapo777:
I would rather rot in hell Dan worship a bloodthirsty God who forces and threatens me with hell for me to love him.

Who does dat?

Dapo777:
Why call him God If he needs man?

macof:
Wat is this illiterate saying? Are u so dumb that u can't open ur Bible and read that Jesus failed in fulfilling prophecy

plaetton:
Naaa, it's too comical for me.
I will stick with my marvel comic books.
Spiderman, the avengers and Thor give me all the supernatural Thrills I need.

macof:
The word “Messiah” is an English rendering
of the Hebrew word “ Mashiach” (Kristo in Greek), which
means “Anointed.” It usually refers to a
person initiated into God’s service by being
anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings
1:39, II Kings 9:3)
Saul was Christ, Samuel was Christ, David was Christ etc.
Since every King and High Priest was
anointed with oil, each may be referred to
as “an anointed one” (a Mashiach or a
Messiah). For example: “God forbid that I
[David] should stretch out my hand against
the Lord’s Messiah [Saul]...” (I Samuel
26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1,
Psalms 20:6)

What is the Messiah supposed to
accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel
37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel
(Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end
all hatred, oppression, suffering and
disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up
sword against nation, neither shall man
learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God
of Israel, which will unite humanity as one.
As it says: "God will be King over all the
world—on that day, God will be One and
His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled
none of these messianic prophecies.

The Messiah must be descended on his
father’s side from King David (see Genesis
49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the
Christian claim that Jesus was the product
of a virgin birth, he had no father—and
thus could not have possibly fulfilled the
messianic requirement of being descended
on his father’s side from King David

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to
full Torah observance. The Torah states
that all mitzvot (commandments) remain
binding forever, and anyone coming to
change the Torah is immediately identified
as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
We have seen cases where christianity(followership of Jesus) as taught contrary to the Torah...a very big example is trinity which is against "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4).

Jesus said:
"No man cometh unto the Father but by me."
In Judaism, prayer is a totally private
matter, between each individual and God.
As the Bible says: "God is near to all who
call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18)

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is
derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14
describing an "alma" as giving birth. The
word "alma" has always meant a young
woman, but Christian theologians came
centuries later and translated it as "virgin."
This accords Jesus’ birth with the first
century pagan idea of mortals being
impregnated by gods.

plaetton:
And in what century did this event occur?

plaetton:
Does god need me or do I need him?

plaetton:
Does god need me or do I need him?

plaetton:
Get serious.
What century exactly did atheist come into existence ?
Lol.
Using a book of fairy tales to substantiate a fairy tale shows the level of cognitive dissonance involved here.
It's like me using a Christmas tale to prove the existence and wonders of Santa Claus.

Rilwayne001:
Yes

macof:
Claims, claims, claims

Jesus isn't the Messiah the Tanakh spoke of
Jews still wait for the Messiah to this day
Jesus failed in the requirement, you can't jst force Messiahship on a dead man and expect intelligent people to take u seriously
He has to meet the prophecy which Jesus failed

plaetton:
Poor guy.

You envy atheists because they are impervious to your fearful and terrible delusions.
You are haunted by your contradictions and fears.
That is why you resort to violence.
When common sense runs out, violence is the only thing left.

Poor you.
Ndo oooo

Liekiller:
1) as an atheist it doesn't matter to me what God instructs in the bible, because as an atheist I do not believe in any god. Not the Christian one, not Allah, not Shango. None of them. As a result, I do not see the bible as anything else than a book written by people. There are a thousand other manmade books that make a lot more sense to me in terms of offering guidance and instruction to be a good human being (yes, that is my goal). Apart from that I also use my own brain to figure out what's right and wrong.
2) the non-belief in god does NOT mean that everything is permissible. Quite the contrary. My moral standards are not based on threats of hellfire though but on a genuine desire to do what's right. Whatever harms others is not permissible.
3) I don't see why age would change any of this. After all I don't believe in the threats of hellfire.