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budaatum:
Are you so weak that anyone can make you accept their gods? You really need to stop making out God is weak, please! Americans always had a choice whether they asked for God's help or not.

And stop behaving like the Godless while you are at it. God can surely deal with those who "hate God"!

lol. ok

budaatum:
Well, if a person doesn't accept God, there really is no point asking for God's help. Besides, God wouldn't be helping an atheist, according to some.

you atheists will just jump into thread and made a post without reasoning, God was mentioned in the op . because you hate Him so you are against the op.

after they remove " so help me God" what next ? force you to accept there gods ?

Exodus 14:18-24 ,
“‘The Egyptians will know that I am the LORD
when I gain glory through Pharaoh, his
chariots and his horsemen.’ Then THE ANGEL OF GOD who had been traveling in front of Israel’s
army, WITHDRAW and went behind them. THE PILLAR OF CLOUD also moved from in front and
stood behind them, coming between the
armies of Egypt and Israel. Throughout the
night the cloud brought darkness to the one
side and light to the other side; so neither
went near the other all night long. Then
Moses stretched out his hand over the sea,
and all that night the LORD drove the sea
back with a strong east wind and turned it into
dry land. The waters were divided, and the
Israelites went through the sea on dry ground,
with a wall of water on their right and on their
left. The Egyptians pursued them, and all
Pharaoh’s horses and chariots and horsemen
followed them into the sea. During the last
watch of the night the LORD LOOKED DOWN FROM THE PILLAR OF FIRE AND CLOUD at the
Egyptian army and threw it into
confusion.”

He appeared to Moses in the burning Bush as a flame of fire, in many place as Angel of the Lord and here, in this verses He appeared as a the pillar of fire and cloud.

in our finite mind it hard for us to imagine God
being able to do these things (be everywhere
at once, know all things, manifest himself in
fire and cloud etc.) but He is God we know that He can do it because we know His attribute in His word. God is not bound by finite limitations; he is not bound by time or space. He is three-in-one, he can manifest himself however he chooses; these are things finite
humans cannot do and these are things that
finite minds find difficult to understand. so I will not pretend I know but what I know is what God has reveal about Himself. thank you

true2god:
I think the guy is new on Nairaland. He will soon run away by the time he couldn't answer any question again. Maybe he thinks we are ignorant of Islam. Even his sheik will shake his head after he gets intellectually beaten here. We are waiting for him; it seems he is still breaking his fast.

lol.I hope he ate well cause there is more questions o

alBHAGDADI:
They don't know that THE ANGEL of the Lord is different from AN ANGEL of the Lord.

it baffled me.

Maximus69:
MYSTERY! Revelations 17:5
So God is an Angel! Hmmm, this is becoming interesting!
Gradually they will come to know that Jesus (whom they misplaced for Jehovah) is that angel and that Jehovah is the Most High NOT an angel like Jesus!
How come they keep refuting the interpretation from God's organization is what baffles me.
If it was an angel's voice that was heard from heaven and it was actually Jehovah's words that the so called angel was echoing, what stops them from agreeing that the angel in question is the same WORD of God who is NOT the Almighty God but a god? John 1:1 NWT

the context must help to determined the Angel of the Lord and Jesus Christ.

This is in keeping with nature of the mission of Jesus Christ , He is the one whom the Father has sent.

I am One who bears witness of
Myself, and the Father who sent
Me bears witness of Me
John 8:18

cleanvessel:
Weldone bro.

God expressly said He had covenant with Isaac alone. He had no covenant with Ishamel.

How would a prophet come from the lineage of Ishmael with whom God had no covenant?

True to God's word, all prophets came from the lineage of Isaac in the Bible, up to Jesus time.

oh, my brother, truthman2012 , I miss you bro.

the op want to start what is bigger than his imam.

Jozzy4:
In your eyes now, you are good shey ?

Please an angel also answers I AM .

Does that also mean that Angel is God ?

Cc: malvisguy212

that's another problem you JW have to solve. I know, the Bible speak of a particular Angel that the Bible address as the ANGEL OF THE LORD.

The angel of the LORD called to
Abraham a second time from
heaven ( Genesis 22:15 ).

In this instance the angel of the LORD, who called out to Abraham, seems to be the LORD Himself. so this is even more problems to you guys.

one of the rule of Jehovah witness is if the New Testament is quoting from the Old Testament and if the old testament passage used the Hebrew name "Jehovah" then the New Testament quotation should also use the name "Jehovah." An example of this is found in Romans 10:13 which is a quotation of Joel 2:32 where the name "Jehovah" is found: "And it
shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the
name of the LORD (Jehovah) shall be delivered" (Joel
2:32,KJV). "And it must occur that everyone who
calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe" (New
World Translation of Joel 2:32 ). Since the Old
Testament passage contained "Jehovah" so should the New Testament quote: "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" (New World
Translation of Romans 10:13). In this case they
faithfully followed their own rule.

Philippians 2:10-11
"That at the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, of
things in heaven, and things
in earth, and things under
the earth; and that every
tongue should confess that
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the
glory of God the
Father."

alright, there is no doubt that Paul had Isaiah 45:23 in mind here . In Isaiah 45:23 it is JEHOVAH GOD who is
speaking (see the context in verses 21-22): "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in
righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear" (Isa. 45:23 KJV). This verse teaches that "UNTO ME" (unto Jehovah, the one true God)every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Paul in Philippians 2:10-11 declares that it is at the name of Jesus that every
knee should bow and every tongue should confess.

they purposely violate there rule

shadeyinka:
For the sake of one or two that the Lord will save...it is worth it.

I just pulled out some things about the text you quoted. I'll copy you when I'm done.

o yes, you are right . in this perilous time, people need to be saved. thank you

shadeyinka:
You speak the truth.
But just a little while, peradventure one or more will look a little more closely at the word of truth.

It's impossible by force of reasoning to convince a JWs witness. Theirs is a strong chain and bound that only the grace of Christ can break free. Most of them will die only to know that they have believed lies all their lives.

Cc: malvisguy212:

that why I respect a Christian brother call Emasu'n . this guy has been debating with JW friends for long , he is to patients with them.

Maximus69:
Its ok Sir, you're doing fine in quoting the Bible to support what you believe.
Jesus said 'by their fruit' Matthew 7:15-20
Paul listed the fruit of the spirit and that of the flesh. Galatians 5:19-23
Please try to exhibit the fruit that is beneficial and you need not worry about arguments because honesthearted and sincere individuals will SEE the WORKS of your FAITH and come closer to you! James 2:26
As for Jehovah's Witnesses, their good works have earned them the trust of intellectuals all around the globe unless people who thinks too much of themselves that will speak evil of that organization. But humble people will tell you 'Jehovah's Witnesses have got the world's NICEST people in their group!'
So please try to earn such virtuous repute and leave the rest in the hands of sincere observers!
As regards Zachariah's prophecy, different translations of the Bible rendered verse 10 of Chapter 12 differently!

very lame excuse. okay here is this one In Exodus 3:14-15 we learn that JEHOVAH is
the great "I AM." According to the Gospel of John, Who is the great "I AM" ?

In Zechariah 12 JEHOVAH is speaking (verses 1 and
4). In verse 10 JEHOVAH'S says, "They shall look upon ME whom they have pierced." This can refer to no one other than Jesus Christ (compare John 19:37 and Revelation 1:7).

alBHAGDADI:
I'll soon exit the thread because I've seen their foundation on salvation to be wrong. That alone proves that many of what they believe is wrong. Once a group gets their doctrine of salvation wrong, it will be a waste of time debating them on other subjects.

Shadeyinka, Solite3 take note. This guys are on the wrong on salvation, so it's a waste of time debating anything else with them. Their foundation is faulty. Debating their brainwashed heads will only see this thread reach over 50 pages.

While we depend on Jesus in the boat to save us from the storm of the sea, they claim they don't need Jesus and that they can save themselves from the storm of the sea. Clearly we are not in the same boat. Jesus is in our boat where he's needed, not in theirs where he's not needed.

when you read there Bible , Lord (kurios) are translated as Jehovah, but the word Lord is use for Jesus. so in there Bible when it's comes to Jesus, they are very cartful to use the word Lord for Jesus.

what must I do to be save ? if your answer point to SELF ,it mean you are standing on a sanding ground . but if your answer point to the CROSS ( JESUS) it mean you are standing on a ROCKY GROUND. thank you my brother, I enjoy your contributions on this atheistic forum .

alBHAGDADI:
Malvisguy212

Welcome

honestly bro, you and the op have enough time to engaged this JW friends , they Will argue till this thread reach 50 pages. your welcome bro.

Inteltower:
I have observed your arguments so let's by logic
enlighten you on the Existence of God .am a grad
sociologist.
in studying man in the society... here are basic
facts
man is inherently social & subject to being social &
by social he relates with his fellow man,
environment & resources, & reasonably man can't
survive or progress long being anti social.
with what has been established above we can draw
to this conclusion where there is Social there is
dependency, where there is dependency there is
functionalism, where there is functionalism there is
order, where there is order there is a design.
this will lead us back to the concept "Social"
I have developed a sociological theorem called
"social orderism" in here it emphasizes that the
universe itself began from an existencial design
(contenders: Darwinism, Creationism, Big bang
theory).
the first & last fail to concur to the earlier linear
concepts that lead to each other in a defining
circle & which you my friend can't refute on those
facts outlined. Darwinism fails to explain why
humans are social & big bang theory fails to
explain at the heart of their assumption why your
eyes are at the position they are & even why must
there be eyes, did the so called micro organism in
the great big bang had a meeting to discuss which
body parts to make & their positions , why the
complex yet simple inter dependent functioning of
the human parts.

first of look at yourself in the mirror, you have parts right?
in your "belief" it means the environment & human cells were blessed with intelligence to decide it needed an ear, tongue, brain, eye lashes etc even to be at the different places they are now.
your problem isn't the belief... but your downright unwillingness to listen & be open minded.. ask me question & I will answer you.
stop being misguided by self conception but revelation


Creationism answers the questions of design &
why man is social to me.. much closer than the
two which atheists subscribe too.
having explained the reason why a God exist by
these clear facts
Now why the Christian God not Allah or Buddha
etc.
its because of three important things
1)Salvation from sin & death through Christ (here
Islam failed) it recognized our corrupted flaws &
unwanted behaviours that harms us & each other.
(read & learn more insight of that salvation plan)
2) the two commandments of love received from
Christ
3) the vital role of the Holy spirit in the world now
& personally.
I hope this helps...
I agree only a fool would say there is no God
but also a cursed man would know & see the truth
but doesn't want to believe out of enmity because
how God's will runs counter to theirs.
thanks

the Bible say in Genesis 1. in the beginning God created the heaven and earth . the atheist will want to re write it like this " in the beginning it JUST HAPPENED" Lolz delude atheists

LordReed:
The same god you people say doesn't change? The same god that supposedly knows the begin from the end gives a law by which undoubtedly many people had been killed but somehow the god just overlooks it and say oh it all different now. Such a funny god.

lol. you know what ? I love your comment, it just show how scriptural sound you guys are. you should open a church.

LordReed:
That's your usual Christian hypocrite bullshíte talking. You came to the thread calling me an agent of satan but expect to be civil to you and not call you names, are you not a hypocrite?

I pointed out obvious flaws in your Christian theology, is your god unable to defend itself that you need to vilify me to feel good about yourself?

you ask a dead question bro. God has a way dealing with sinners before and after the first coming of Jesus . take for instance the adultery committed by David and Bathsheba, this was before the dispensation of Grace, how the God handle this ? the adulterous woman commit the act at the time of JESUS MINISTRY.

the reason I liken you as Satan is because just as the devil always do his trick, you are in some kind of way, justify the act .adulterers are not required to repent of their adultery (and hence to sever such relationships),

LordReed:
So they were going to stone her according to the law he himself supposedly wrote but he changed his mind? What of all the other people they had killed would they also be retroactively getting pardons?

your attack on every Christian thread is overwhelmed. its obvious you are being used by Satan unknowingly, deny it and call me names as usual, but that the truth.

doggedfighter:
Keep deceiving your deluded self

Good luck.

CAPSLOCKED:
WRITTEN LIKE A TRUE MADMAN THAT YOU ARE.

child . did I insult you ? is this what atheism teach you ? to respond violently ? smh

Excaperx:
my problem with atheist is their obsession with Christians.

What do you people really want? To convert people to atheism? Why?.

I think atheist are devil confused people that are sent to capture unknowingly Christians into their fold

if you want to know how atheists shiver, open a thread about hell. ........ ...... . . it is very painful for atheists to loss one of there own

CAPSLOCKED:
YOU'RE THINKING WHAT I'M THINKING.

THE PARTS THAT GET ME EVERYTIME ARE THE "SAVED" PARTS. WHY CONVERTS ARE REFERRED TO "SAVED" PEOPLE MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

save by what ? Do I see myself as a guilty, lost sinner who stands condemned before a holy and righteous God (Romans 3:10-19,23)? Do I recognize that my own heart is deceitful and wicked and incurably sick (Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7:21-23)? Do
I see myself as deserving of death and hell (Romans 6:23)? Do I realize that if God were to give me what I deserve and repay me for the way I have lived, then I would be totally destroyed (Psalm 130:3; compare Psalm 103:10)?

BabyApple:
My brother what do you want to do with is lineage or ancestor ? He has been sent with a clear message. Worship God alone. He never call people to come and worship him. This your argument is baseless.

if the head is faulty what will become of the followers? his lineage is very important cause that's were the groundwork of the prophethood begin.

Surah 19:49: So, when he
had withdrawn from them
and that which they were
worshipping beside Allah.
We gave him Isaac and
Jacob. Each of them We
made a PROPHET.

Once again,we can note that Ishmael is not mention in the above Qur’anic verses, whereas recognition is given to both Isaac and Jacob. Why did not Allah include Ishmael in these verses since Muslims claim
that he is also a prophet of Allah?

there problem is BIBLE ILLITERACY

BabyApple:
Brother dont read Quran like story Book. The Quran wasn't revealed in one day.. Every revelation has a tafsir. There must be a reason why God did not mention his name. If it is needed God will.. Do you know that Jesus ( peace be upon him ) name is mentioned in the Quran than the prophet Muhammad ( Peace be Upon Him )

the declaration made in that verse is an EVERLASTING COVENANT . so what you type here is irrelevant. If Muhammad is a descendant of lshmael, then he cannot be a descendant of Isaac at the same
time. In fact, this is in harmony with the fulfillment of
the promise to Abraham in Genesis 17:21.

Genesis 17:21: “However,
my covenant I shall
establish with Isaac, whom
Sarah will bear to you at
this appointed time next
year.”

Why was there only one alleged prophet from the line of ishmael? Guess who that lone prophet was? Yes, it was Muhammad a non-Israelite. The rest, Moses, Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, Elisha, Hosea, Amos, Isaiah, Jonah, Joel,Jesus and many others , were all
Israelites. All these prophets were descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob just as it is sworn in Surah 29:27. Why did all these prophets come from the line of Isaac, with the exception of Muhammad who descended from Ishmael? Why was Ishmael’s name left out at the most significant moment when the Qur’an revealed the lineage of the prophethood? Did not Allah know that his greatest prophet would be
born through the lineage of Ishmael?

surah 27:29
And We bestowed on him Isaac
and Jacob , and We established
the PROPHETHOOD and the
Scripture among his SEED.
(Pickthall)

according to Muslims Muhammad PROPHETHOOD can be trace down to Ismael ( let forget the fact that it is not back by evidence) If Allah intended to include Ishmael , his name would be placed before Isaac as he was older than Isaac by about fourteen years. But as it can be noted, Surah 29:27 completely omits any reference to Ishmael.This raises some vital questions:
Why was the name of Ishmael left out completely at the most significant time when the lineage of the Prophethood was revealed in the Qur’an? Why was Ishmael totally ignored if he was as important as
Muslims claim him to be?

Cc BabyApple

sarrki:
Baba know forget una

Him go do well for everybody

since 2015 till date ? am sure some of the villagers will have been dead.

alBHAGDADI:
Satan the accuser of the brethren.

Guess what? Jesus has paid for that sin by Klopp.

perfect. Satan the accuser of the brethren.

dragnet:
You can't draw up a statement and interpret it for them, Muslims never claim to worship mortals, they abhor it evidently, if your mother is dearer to you, does that mean you worship her ? it merely means you value her more than any other worldly material, likewise we all have things that are dearer to us, just like some can kill for their sons or daughters, some can kill for their cars!

it is forbidden for a Muslim to interrupt the prayer of his fellow Muslim, out of respect to Allah no Muslim will interrupt the prayer of his fellow Muslim. but do you know that Muhammad is an exception to this rule ? Muhammad invoked Surah 8:24 to justify his case.

Surah 8:24: “O you who believe!
Answer the call of Allah and His
Apostle when he calls you to
that which gives you life; and
know that Allah intervenes
between man and his heart, and
that to Him you shall be
gathered.” (Shakir)

Carefully consider now how the Prophet of lslam clarified the meaning and the application of the above Qur’anic verse.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number
226:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Mualla:
While I was praying, the Prophet
passed by and called me, but I
did not go to him till I had
finished my prayer. When I went
to him, he said, “What prevented
you from coming?” I said, “I was
praying.” He said, “Didn’t Allah
say” “O you who believe Give
your response to Allah and to
His Apostle.” (Surah 8:24)

Legolast:
Allah soften your heart and make you among the pious men by making you accept Islam. Ameen

say that to the Islamist territories ,they need the prayer most

dragnet:
No they don't worship him, they respect him just like all the other prophets and don't distinguish between them, they only refer to him because he was the one that brought the rulings as sent by Allaah and most especially because he is the last of the prophets and the seal, so it makes more sense quoting and referencing the updated and last version of a law, he isn't anything but a mortal like every other human being.



Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 136:

Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number
171:
Narrated Ibn Sirrn: I said to
‘Ablda, “I have some of the hair
of the Prophet which I got from
Anas or from his family.” ‘Abida
replied. “No doubt if I had a
single hair of that it would have
been dearer to me than the
whole world and whatever is in
it.”

is this a form of respect or worship ? How can Muslims view a single shred of hair as more valuable than the entire eart and its contents? The veneration of relics is a common practice in paganism. If this is
not idolatry, then what is it? Still not convinced? How about the next Hadith?

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number
617:
“Narrated Abu Musa: Then the
prophet asked for a drinking
bowl containing water and
washed his hands and face in it,
and then took a mouthful of
water and threw it therein saying
to us, ‘Drink some of it and pour
some over your faces and
chests and be happy at the good
tidings.’”

Acts of devotion such as the ones displayed by Muslims towards Muhammad in the above Hadith are not only outright filthy but also idolatrous. The Holy Bible clearly warns against idolatry:

1 Corinthians 10:14: Therefore,
my beloved ones, flee from
idolatry.