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miknielz:
a pastor had an armed robber as a friend. the armed robber constantly presurised the pastor to join him saying that he would become rich. the pastor always refused warning him he could get into trouble and go to hell. one day the pastor finally decided to go to the robber's house to join him. that same day the robber decided to go to the pastor's house and give his live to christ. while the both of them were on their way they died.
pls who will go to heaven and who will go to hell.
i am not too sure of my answer but i think the both of them will go to hell.
bible references are welcome.

you said the pastor has been preaching to the criminal to repent, but he refused, right ? alright, on that faithful day, he is on his way to repent WHEN THE DEVIL STOLE HIM THROUGH DEATH.( you cannot rob God) bible say " whosoever name are written in the book of life will be cast to outer darkness" his name is not written in the book of life.

for the pastor, it is between him and God, I am not God so I can't judge his intention.

plaetton:

I salute.

good to see you again. @op. what about people who experience NDE, "Near death experience" ? are they given this same magic mushrooms ?

vaxx:
good . it will be good you teach me. let start like this . what is the bible? can you proof the truthfulness of the bible outside bible quotation

1. Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
We didn’t “walk in search of the depth [of the sea] “the deepest part of the ocean, until 1875 when we discovered the deepest point on Earth, the Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench (although we weren’t sure it was the deepest point until much later). We didn’t fully survey it until 1951. We didn’t actually “walk” in it until 1960! But how does this prove the existence of God? Simply the fact that in most ancient cultures, the ocean HAD no bottom! The Greek word abyss , used for the deep ocean, literally means “bottomless”! And 3500 years ago, only God could have known with such certainty that the ocean did in fact have a “depth”! In the same verse; Why would there be water pouring INTO the sea from underground – the sea is where water came from! And mankind for all his technological achievements didn’t discover underwater springs until 1949 – A.D.! Almost four millennium after Job was written! And even then, it wasn’t confirmed until 1960, and it wasn’t until 1979 that human beings first saw deep-sea springs with their own eyes!
2.Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
Man didn’t measure the circumference (“breadth”) of the Earth with even remote accuracy until Eratosthenes did it in about 240 BC. But God knew exactly how large it was. For He sits “above the circle of it”.
4.Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
According to everyone before 570 BC, the Earth was flat. Even then, and for millennia afterwards, the Earth was held up by something. For the Greeks it was on the shoulders of the god Atlas. For the American-Indians it was supported on the back of a giant turtle. Other cultures believed it was on the back of a hog, water buffalo, snake, or elephant. These ideas had the delightful side-benefit of explaining earthquakes, since it logically follows the theory that if Earth was on an elephant’s back and the elephant itched, the Earth would move.
The idea of the Earth literally hanging on NOTHING – as in, an Earth in free-fall through space – was one that no ancient mind could have grasped. Newton’s famous “apple incident” gave us the first real clue as to how gravity operated to control bodies at great distances. But 3500 years ago? Only God could have known!
5.Job 38:25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder; As primitive man sought answers about the natural world, lightning became a part of his superstitions, his myths and his early religions.

vaxx:
bible isn't a yardstick to measure truthfulness.

you need a serious bible teaching .God in the Bible deliberately chose to reveal His Word through individuals who were inspired prophets and apostles, so that His Word would not only be conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but
would be communicated to their understanding and powers of comprehension as well.

prophet, kings , sharperd were commanded to write what they see. john was not commanded to understand the book of revelation, for example, when john use word like " I saw someone like " did it sound like he understand the vision ? he saw lion, the lion look like a man, a horse, a woman. john was only commanded to write what he see.

The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

shadeyinka:
Thanks.
Hope4black seems to have gone off the rader

I pray he learn and work on what he read on this thread.

most of this guys are atheists, they just come in sheep cloth.......op,i am very sorry if this comment annoy you, that what we Christians face here on nairaland everyday.

[quote author=CAPSLOCKED post=59632472][/quote]this thread is not for atheists.

shadeyinka:
Interestingly, you speak good English. That means you went to a good Primary School and a good Secondary School. You are in the University and successfully paid seven sessions of school fees. You are most likely smart and intelligent among others.

My point. You are slipping into depression not because of what you have but what you don't yet possess.

The Life of a Man does not consist in the Abundance of his Possessions.

1. First, count the positive things about and around you. You will find out that you are well ahead of millions. Then give thanks to God for those things.

2. Be BornAgain and establish a Relationship with God. /Rededicate your life to God if you are BornAgain.

3. Establish the negative influences around you and Terminate your connection/dependence on them WHILE at the same time, establishing connections and dependences on likely positive influences to you.

4. Upgrade your spiritual life with God while you seek for Deliverance. Do
i. Self Deliverance
ii. Partake in Mass Deliverance and
iii. Find a Mature and Experienced Christian to minister deliverance on you.

Note:
Some kinds of deliverances are Instant while some are progressive.

5. Slowly, you will see things change and turn around for you. Don't loose Faith in God

bless you my brother. you have a very good point my good friend.

hope4black:
Have never done anything successful in my life before, no matter how hard I may try, bad luck has been my middle name. Sometimes I felt God doesn't care about me, and truth be told He doesn't care.
Since my childhood have been struggling with life, have never been in a happy mood throughout a day before, either happy in the morning or sad in the night. I tried a lot of things and it never works out,bad luck all the time.
I prayed,fast yet God seems so far away, people do say a lot of testimonies about this same God ,I don't even have anothing to say about God in my life, cause no good has ever happened in my life before.
This is my seventh years in school meanwhile I'm not a medical or law student, all my mates are 3 years ahead of me in every thing, money,happiness,joy etc.
God doesn't care about me I can feel the hatred, have denied Him many times, yet I still find myself beleivig in Him cause I know I'm severing the living God. But now I don't know what to belive in anymore.
Maybe there is another God out there who can answer my prayers and turn my life around I really need to know and find him, cause I'm fedup

I read on a thread here on nairalaind, it say " The purest gold comes from the hottest furnace, and the brightest thunderbolt comes through the darkest storm of life."

God protect us, and sometimes He uses this things to keep us close to Him. if things did not work out well for you In this present world, know that there is a better place you in the other side of life call heaven.

iamgenius:
Give me three reasons why I should give my life to Christ. I want to reason with you, and lets see whether you are not brain-washed into that religion of Paul not Jesus'(peace be upon him) religion.

because salvation is something ONLY God can do. but In Islam, it is the other way round, human effort can save, Islam teaches that if your good deed outwight your evil deed, Allah will grant you free passage to heaven. this is like you are bribing your way to heaven.

in Christianity, we are justify by the work done by another ( Jesus Christ) justification is an act which mean, someone has fulfilled the law for you, He paid for the crime He did not comit. when you are justified by God grace, it mean you are a discharged criminal. the devil is the accuser, you are the victim and Jesus is your lawyer. here what the bible say:

john 8:36
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

if your lawyer Seth you free, you are free Indeed.

Chuks4prince:
Center verse:Daniel 12:10(KJV) "Many shall be purified, and made white,and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand" TEXT: DANIEL 12:5-13. Apostle Paul's most sweet epistle was from when he was in the prison; the revelation of John the beloved came out from the desert Island;German Bible translation was written by Luther's in Warburg castle. People that have high affinity for God are not free from problem. Although we may not really know the extent the trial we experience, we should not surrender. The period of great trouble and confusion have often shaped great minds. The purest gold comes from the hottest furnace, and the brightest thunderbolt comes through the darkest storm of life. God controls and protects us in order to be closer to Him. It is also easily discovered that affliction worketh patience and patience experience and experience hope. In all,we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. Trials are always equipments by which God constructs us for better and greater exploit. Nobody prays for tribulations but when they surface, intercede for God's grace to conquer, for out of the furnace of men arise saints who have been of much use in the beautiful Hands of the Lord. Always press forward, upward and onward in your life."Pressed into understanding no helper but God:pressed into faith for possibilities;pressed into living in Christ life outpoured!" Always remember that the purifier keeps purifying you in the fire until He obtains gold. Further Bible verses: Zechariah 13:19,Hosea 14:9. Source:http://christiangospelng..com.ng/2017/08/perfected-through-suffering.html

God bless you for shearing. nice one op.

DeSepiero:
re·li·gion
rəˈlijən/
noun
noun: religion

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

a particular system of faith and worship.

In Christianity, there exist strong belief in and worship of God.
In Christianity, there also exist a particular system of faith and worship (especially through Jesus Christ).

How then on earth is Christianity not a religion?

Jesus Christ is littered allover your post, if I'm not mistaken, you worship him.

what is Jesus argument against the pherasse ? religion is to bind, Jesus did not come to bind us.

TrajansKong:
Demons do not exist.

You are tripping.

Stop trying to take advantage of the disillusioned and dispossessed among our people with your religious ooga-booga and 'spiritual' enslavement.

this is the classical example of demon............never admit they exist.

lanre56:
How can I identify the True Religion. One that teaches the truth and puts it in practice??

https://www.nairaland.com/2914410/difference-between-religion-christianity

There are differences between Christianity and religion, Many are GOING TO CHURCH but few are GOING DOWN THE ROAD WHICH LEADS TO LIFE. Many are RELIGIOUS but few are RIGHT WITH GOD.
Religion is DOING while Christianity is DONE. When Jesus cried on the cross, "it is finished" The work of our salvation was FINISHED, DONE, ACCOMPLISHED and COMPLETED. A religious man may be likened as a man who try to swim from river kaduna to niger by his own strength, he will never make it. But the man who is save by faith is likened to be a man who get on a ship, hoping it will take him to his destination. This man simply rests upon the ship and lets the ship do all the work.
THIS ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RELIGION AND CHRISTIANITY.
1. RELIGION: "Salvation is something I must do. I must somehow earn or gain salvation by the way I live."
CHRISTIANITY: "Salvation is something only God can do. Salvation is of the LORD!" (Eph. 2:8-9).
2. RELIGION: Religion is summed up in one word: DO--man trying to DO different things to please God and earn His favor.
CHRISTIANITY: Christianity is summed up in one word; DONE--Christ dying on the cross to save sinful man (John 19:30).
3. RELIGION: The religious man is busy
"working" (doing good works) in order to
be saved.
CHRISTIANITY: The saved person is "not working" (Rom. 4:5) but is RESTING upon the finished work of Another. Although he must beware (1 peter 5:
4. RELIGION: RELIGION is man trying to BRING HIMSELF TO GOD (by human effort, good works, ritualism, traditionalism, sacraments, etc.).
CHRISTIANITY: CHRISTIANITY is Christ BRINGING US TO GOD on the basis of what He did for us on the cross, NOT by our own effort. (1 Peter 3:18).
5. RELIGION: Man trying to please God in the wrong way (Rom. 8:8--"So then they that are in the FLESH cannot please God" .
CHRISTIANITY: Man truly pleasing God in the only way (Hebrews 11:6--"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" .
6. RELIGION: The religious man is seeking to establish his own righteousness by ignoring the way of the righteousness of God (Rom. 10:3).
CHRISTIANITY: The saved man is satisfied with the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 5:21).
7.RELIGION: Religion is pictured in Genesis 3 by the fig leaves that Adam and Eve made for themselves--a terrible covering (Gen. 3:7).
CHRISTIANITY: Salvation is pictured in Genesis 3 by the coats of skin which God provided by way of the shedding of BLOOD--a perfect covering (Gen. 3:21).
8.RELIGION: CAIN'S RELIGION--"I bring to God the labour of my own hands" (Gen. 4:3).
CHRISTIANITY: ABEL'S FAITH--"I bring to God a blood sacrifice. An innocent substitute must die to save me" (Gen. 4:4).
Good works done by sinful man can never please a holy God. The greatest good work is GOD'S WORK accomplished by Jesus Christ who offered Himself on the cross as the sinner's Substitute.Thus we are not saved by good works but we are saved unto good works: "For we are
his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10). "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
Are you resting fully in the finished work of Christ? Are you trusting in Jesus Christ, WHO HE IS, WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR YOU and WHAT HE HAS SAID IN HIS WORD? "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

ugotuf:
No! You are not totally correct, he has a greater and higher chance of going to heaven if he has repented and been forgiven by GOD. It's the late girl that we should mourn. You may not understand this.

how ? you mean he has a greater chance of making heaven ? what is he repenting for ? to avoid hell ? if he was given another chance, will he continue In sin ?

repentance and acceptance by God are not done because of opportunity, it is not done because we want to escape punishment, it is done because we LOVE GOD, repentance happen because the spirit convict you.

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expozey:
How did the other nations (whom God punished through Israel) break the law, seeing that they neither knew nor recognised the deity Israel worshipped?

the atheists would want to defend their argument by saying the people God destroyed are good people. but this is what the bible say:

"It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (Deuteronomy 9:5 )

now, how wicked are this nation ?
"You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:31 )

So we see that these people are not quite as innocent as the atheists would like you to believe. The fact that these people practiced child sacrifice is also confirmed in the secular writings of the Greeks. 4 Then again, maybe those atheists believe that killing your children is not all bad. After all, killing viable pre-born babies is not that bad according to atheists.

In order to maintain His righteousness, God must judge sin - everything that goes against His character. If God let everyone into heaven , then He would have to allow in people such as Stalin and Hitler.

hopefulLandlord:
I'd rather admit ignorance than pretend faith is knowledge

atheists blasphemy God name, speak against Christianity , attack the Bible .........I don't think atheist submit to ignorance.

hopefulLandlord:
Nobody knows, simple

you have FAITH in an incomplete knowledge of science. I admire it, you are strong.

hopefulLandlord:
nobody knows, anybody that claims to know is simply pulling "god of the gaps" and using faith to go further about the properties of this said "god"

nobody knows, but somebody or something started it, we must NOT RULE THE POSSIBILITY OF GOD STARTED IT.

benodic:
@ malvisguy212



and you need an open mind and an open heart. two very important ingredients for spiritual growth.

@ cyborg123



the Jews whom the old testament is about do not believe Jesus is the one the prophecy is about because so far as they are concerned their war mongering god will send them a general who will liberate them from the Romans and not someone who will ask them to turn the other cheek. The Catholic Church were the ones who gave those interpretations after choosing the books they want to make up the Bible.

@ achidisucre



ECKANKAR has its own Holy book called The Way of The Eternal.



ECKANKAR is a religion of its own. It is the path to Spiritual Freedom. The Religion of the Light and Sound of God. Light and Sound being the means through the Holy Spirit, the pure essence of God, manifests to Soul. example is the sound of the wind and the light that appeared as tongues of fire during the pentecost. Contact with the Holy Spirit leads you to all truth. ECKANKAR presents the truth as it is, removed from all social trappings, dogma, politics or traditional cultures and speaks directly to Soul which we all are.



We don't work with believe but rather with knowingness. we know that Jesus Christ is a Spiritual Master of the Christ Level of Consciousness and he is still very active in the inner planes ready to teach any Soul who have developed enough spiritual disciplines to meet with him in the inner worlds. Just like other Spiritual Masters.
The Spiritual Masters do not quarrel or compete amongst themselves to showcase who is greater than the other. only the ignorant followers who are under the influence of the ego do so. when you are able to move into the inner planes in full consciousness, you will see these things for yourself. and when you have experienced them, the arguments on who is right or wrong ends. you become a love driven soul and all you care for is to care for and love your fellow souls despite differences in race, language or religion. then your journey back to your true home in the abode of God truly begins.

alright, what is the mean of salvation according to your religion teaching ?

KinzyeWriter:
He needs to be lied to

just like someone lied to you

benodic:
When I was a christian, I read a chapter everyday from Genesis to Revelation. and starts all over again when I get to the end.
I learnt some vital lessons.
1. the old testament is the history of the Jews and not my history or that of the whole world.

2. the god depicted in the old testament is the tribal god of the Jews and not that of the whole humanity and not my God either. hence his sending the Jews to massacre other tribes and races who are not in harmony with the Jews

3. For the first time in the New testament, Jesus presented a picture of a loving God to the Jews which was quite alien to them as they preferred their war mongering god which led to them crucifying Jesus

4. for the first time too, in the new testament, Jesus introduced the Holy Spirit which he said will lead one to all truth and this was culminated in the pentescost when the apostles experienced the Holy Spirit and were empowered thereafter.

5. this now led for my quest for the Holy Spirit which culminated in my becoming a member of ECKANKAR.

6. ECK meaning Holy Spirit and ANKAR meaning The way. put together meaning, the way of the Holy Spirit

you need a serious Bible lesson .

1.it was through Abraham that God promised to multiply his seed , in other word, just as God use prophet to deliver his message, He use Israel to reach out to the rest of mankind.

2. in the old testament, they live in the despensation of the law , and when you break the law, you face the God of justice, Israel too face the wrath of God when they break the law. the purpose of this law to contrast our holiness with that of God and show how weak man his. but in the new testament, THE WRATH OF GOD IS FULFILLED. “‘The day will come,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,’ says the Lord. ‘I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people’” (Jeremiah 31:31, 33). Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and to establish the New Covenant between God and His people. The Old Covenant was written in stone, but the New Covenant is written on our hearts.

3. indeed , Jesus fulfilled the old testament prophecy of love, that was when the DESPENSATION OF GRACE BEGINS.

4. who is the holy spirit ? active force or a person ?
cc benodic

John 3:16 is the Gospel/bible in a nutshell, it explained God plans of salvation, the entire bible, all of God plans from the beginning of time, throughout the bible.

Proudgorgeousga:
what difference does it make? according to luvmijeje and other fanatics Muslims, Catholic, pagans and atheists are going to the same place.

I don't think you believe in yourself, if you don't, how can you believe in God existence ?

tintingz:
I'm not an atheist, just religious skeptic and agnostic.

alright, be very careful.

tintingz:
Allah was a God among the ancient Arabian Gods. Arabs were also pagans before Allah took over as the only God.

Are you satisfied?

what happened to you ? are you an atheist ? please don't be an atheist.

butterflylion:
You have time o. I gave up on the guy last night because he is like a tortoise being poured water on. The guy is in his natural habitat so no manner of explanation will give him understanding.

I know him for long, they never show up in a thread that question there belief , because they are ashamed of the kind life Muhammad live.

tintingz:
Allah is not the father of Jesus but Yahweh.

yes, Allah is Muhammad family gods , that is why the salvation of a Muslim depend on Muhammad.
https://www.nairaland.com/1970166/lying-deity

tintingz:
Yes

the Hebrew word for God is YAHWEH, when God use the word " I AM" He was differentiating Himself from the pagan gods. the next statement in the same verse say " I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and jacob" which mean the God of this ancestors is the true God.

Visitor700:
The original gospel.



Who ever said the bible is a false book? The bible wasn't corrupted from the beginning and the changes were made over the ages.



The people of the scripture.
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!'"
(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)



I already clarified this issue above.



You will find the answer to this questions in my previous post.

were is the original gospel ?

tintingz:
Are you a Jewish man? The Jews said I AM means Yahweh in Hebrew, which God himself said that is his name forever.

Break it down as you want, Yahweh is the name of the Jewish God.

are you sure you're alright ? I AM mean Yahweh ?