₦airaland Forum

modath:
God bless you for the highlighted..... The way some people turn logic on its head dey make dem mata taya me....

This is one of the reasons I hardly attend to mentions.... not only am I really not bothered about people who deliberately misinterprete (or spin to suit their own agenda) issues, I've also gradually come to the realisation that many people on the interweb are certifiably stupid & ignorant!!!

Madam,

This highlighted part is the conclusion I am reaching lately. NL for example used to be a hub of "intelligentsia"......now turned into something else

pacino26:
Okoro, look at the last mention I received from Modath and enlighten yourself. Drink less this season it's not good for your typing.

Geeeerrrrrooooouuuutttt!

Do I look like a member of your beer-parlour community that you can dazzle with fallacies and fantasies? "Apple could not crack their code"

free2ryhme:
When was the last time you drove on that bridge?

Week of December 15th......my daughter's school is along Lagos-Ibadan expressway, I drive on the road at least when we drop her off at new term, during visiting day, mid-term etc........

laudate:
If they do so, it means they do not know the value of R& and what it takes to stay in business.

Bros,

Let's be realistic. Someone will have to take that cost and in the current power value chain, the customer is at the receiving end and will bear the cost. We are currently bearing the cost of additional investments all the "COs" are making.....

Abujaexpress:
That should be part of their operating costs

.... and that operating cost will lead to an increase in the unit price

laudate:
What a funny question! The Disco, of course. You got to spend money, in order to make money..not so? And most companies who seek to improve their business operations, usually invest in research & development in order to perform better, meet the needs of their customers more efficiently, or simply beat the competition, at their own game. It is a fact of business.

So you think the Discos will "bear" the cost and not transfer same to the end consumer?

pacino26:
Even Apple couldn't crack their own encryption for the CIA to access the mobile phone of a dead terrorist. There are very secured hard lines still in existence and the technology affordable to that class of citizens.

Apple couldn't "crack" their own encyption for the CIA? Haba! bros, which kin fabu be dat. Why would apple need to crack their encryption when all they need to do is simply decrypt with the algorithm used to encrypt? Some of you need to lay off what you barely understand.

Standards all over the world is that to hand over calls data, logs and information, you will need a court order.

free2ryhme:
where did u get this info from ?

“The bridge has been asphalted but the work is not finished. It is a 4,500 metre bridge on both sides and they still have to install some joints. “About 44 on one side and 44 on the other side.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/12/long-bridge-fashola-commends-julius-berger-opens-road-to-traffic/

ivandragon:
stop being a deluded mop.

Telcos are custodians of call logs & recorded data. what stops this regime that has disobeyed court orders from arm twisting the Telcos to get info without due process?

Do you enjoy sounding like a retard when you argue? Do you enjoy not making sense?

TechEnthusiast:
Thats not "O" level.Dont you know that its completely impossible to break through some encryptions?The whatsapp signal protocol encryption has never been cracked.There are somethings that hackers cannot do or decipher.I still believe day to day calls should be encrypted.Its not a hard thing to do

I will also not want to make this an issue. Calls can be encrypted, but such level of calls are defined. That is why it is called a secured line. A secured line is also accessible by high level security protocol.......hence in principle...nothing is secured, encrypted or not.

Secondly, by definition and concention, phone calls are not meant to be secured. They are in the open. RF calls are even more open. The responsiblity is on the caller and the called to know the security level on the medium they are using, what and what not to discuss on it. Even your office intercoms are not secured, can be listed to by your IT/Telecoms group, especially during investigations.

Jobos:
guys all your conversations on any gsm are with your service provider. security agents can call for it any time.

fayose is lousy that why they leaked it.

Bros,

This is as clear as night and day. when a deluded idiot alleges that MTN taps calls and releases it as a price for reduction in fines, don't you think some people's idiocy has reached high octane?

Security agents can tap anybody's calls with sophisticated call frequency interference devices. They do not need MTN. For example Security agencies can listen to your calls, discussions and voices even when they are 1km away

To get MTN to provide the calls data and logs, security agencies will get a court order and serve same to MTN

free2ryhme:
the long bridge road construction by Julius Berger is already having potholes on the side going to Lagos from Warewa

But they told you that the long bridge is not yet complete.......till after xmas

Sec5:
It's only in Nigeria that infrastructural development is termed dividends of democracy

Yes O!!!! after what we suffered under GEJ........

Newmanluckyman:
... If you don't know a jack about a topic why can't you maintain silence and learn. It is not a must that someone must comment on a topic. You appeared as someone who doesn't know, understand.

It is a crime for any govt apparatus to spy on its citizens without A COMPETENT COURT APPROVAL. The challenge I have here is will Fayose be able to prove beyond doubt that DSS actually intercepted his conversation. If he can establish this fact then he needs to sue.

It is very unfortunate that this country is gradually returning to a dictatorial, despotic and Totalitarian state. No respect for rule of law.

Court approval for DSS to spy on a target? Where did you get that from? which section of the DSS act or constitution did you see that? many of you just spew rubbish

Akkotto:
The governors should sue the service provider for bridge of contract, this could be a long walk for the providers.

"Bridge" of contract ko, "Gadder" of contract ni. Whatever your illogic means, you think people just walk to court with baseless cases? on what basis are you going to sue the service provider for breach? Have you factored that the lines could have been bugged by even private investigators?

ivandragon:
no wonder nothing more has been heard about MTN's fine...

so this was the price they had to pay instead... tap phones of Nigerians critical of this regime...

before some 'self righteous bigots' quote me, listen to the audio conversation between Fayose & Wike very well...

Stop turning logic on its head. How do you twist reasoning, and how can MTN tap calls? are you guys crudely ignorant?

There are legal procedure for demanding call logs and recorded data

pacino26:
There's what they call encrypted and secure lines. It's funny these politicians funny know Jack about it.

Bros,

Even the secured lines are accessed by some sections of security agencies

Kulas:
I keep saying that until we forget about tribal sentiments and political party affliations and rise up together and condenm this nonsense Buhari administration,they will start doing the needful.Forget that u are a yoruba and Tinubu directed u to vote for PMB and APC,say No and rise up to injustice.You as an ordinary person,how will you feel that somebody is tracking and recording your calls without your knowledge? Let alone DSS to a Governor.Haba!.My people this government is evil and wicked

Pls shut da fvck up!!! Are you human at all? You are not concerned that someone boasted opening in the call that he killed anybody that stood in his way.

TechEnthusiast:
Nigerian Govt does not know the importance of security and internet privacy,why wasnt the call encrypted in such a way that they can be no "man in the middle attack" interception to prevent eavesdropping conversations.
Applications like WhatsApp and Telegram messenger apply end to end encryption to thier chats,telegrams default/cloud messages are encrypted with client-server encryption and can be synched across multiple devices.While secret chats use end to end encryption.
All these apps are trying to protect people from wild spread internet surveilance.Our day to day calls are supposed to be encryted but our govt doesnt care about our privacy and security issues.

Bros,

This your O'level IT security knowledge is insufficient to address the situation on ground. First off, "security" and "internet privacy" are not exclusively out of the government security agencies coverage when surveillance is being carried out. Who told you encrypted calls cannot be decrypted by a third party/hacker? Or the attacks on Yahoo, Amazon and spate of cyber crimes in America for example is supposedly down to the inaction of the American government?

Meanwhile, lay off the ignorance. Your day-to-day calls is not supposed to be encrypted by the government? Gosh! How do some of you put illogic together

Admin401:
it's not a propaganda, don't you know when to use that word?
you phone and everything you do with an electronic device can be tapped into and listened to
how is the science behind that propaganda?

the only thing wrong with this news is that it's a breach of privacy. nothing propaganda'ish about it.

There is nothing wrong about it. If gov Wike was not briefed, he is then an idiot not to know that the moment he became the governor, non of his lines are secured. It is a security protocol.......much more when he had been under surveillance

Blue3k:

ernieboy: :

did u read the document you posted the very first few paragraphs actually confirms what I just said, the power ministry formulates policies and regulations...just read the doc. nerc does not formulate policies, it only regulates.

Your preaching to the choir dude. I posted this to prove that point. I'm reading law right now for more proof. Why do you think I posted those quotes?

Btw the NERC can make policies as long as they are in line with Electric Power Sector Reform Act 2005. That's part of their job. The minister still has sway over the board as well.

@ernieboy,

Your absolutely wrong and just twisting things. The regulations of Gencos, Disco, Transysco are the remits of NERC. This was as clear as night and day from the get to go

EnigmaticEnigma:
Look at all these dudes saying "Fashola can't be blamed, he has no power", then why, why oh why is he there in the first place

Do these sycophants ever ask themselves that question

Sigh.

I guess it would have been better for a monkey to be minister of power na, since according to them, he has no power to do anything

If these people understand the market interplay, Fashola should not have come into the reason for the situation in the first place

bettercreature:
Government did not sell 100% stake,you dont know anything Discos are private but power ministry still serves as a Control for them
Google is your friend
Would have ordered you to type your own sack letter if you were to be working in my company

I would verbally resign with immediately effect the moment I meet you in person if I were to accidentally be engaged with an organisation owned by you. But pray tell, I wonder what organisation a like of you, who cannot equip himself with the structure of the power sector yet argues blindly, own. Someone who is crudely ignorant, yet call attention to google, is a classic case of the Chinese proverb of " he who knows not, and knows not that he knows not"

AZeD1:
If all consumers are metered, the disco's would lose badly.

Wrong. This submission stands logic on its head

PentiumPro:
The reason is simple.
Any Disco that cannot reasonably and effectively metered the electricity it distributes will not be able to pay the Gencos and will just keep accumulating debt. The issue is worsened now with the fact that 1, estimated billing is becoming difficult to collect, 2, it's almost now illegal to disconnect owning customers.
The ultimate solution is to METERED ALL ELECTRICITY CONSUMERS.. Anything outside that will not work

Madam,

Good points.

But if you look at the article critically, it goes a little beyond that. For example, people in Niger refusing to pay for electricity, claiming that power is generated from their state, is a cultural issue that needs change management to address.

Reference:
You simply cannot take what you cannot use. If you are not making profit, you are in debt, the consequences of which are worse. Transysco should study the pattern and advice the GENCOS to trim output whenever uptake is weak if not, it is they who will go bankrupt.

Spot On! I will also add that this is the point where distribution patterns should be backed up by historical usage patterns and power demands. This will require further investment..........and will push power cost up.....but will be worth it. This probably butresses Osinbajo's point that Transysco should also be privatised rather than the concession arrangement

While power is being rejected by some discos, ironically some are crying for more power as they can sell much more.........

Over to you Transysco

bettercreature:
You people lack experience on how government should be run,i dont have to argue with you
Those discos are under his ministry either private or public,these things are not suppose to be happening under his watch
In developed nations,Ministers of transport are being sacked because of car accident or train collision they know next to nothing about
In developed nations,ministers of power are being fired because of power stations striked by thunder
As a minister of power,i should be responsible enough to stop disco from these disgraceful acts
You guys lack exposure! Pls leave me

1. Discos under his ministry? Bros, I think the first step is for you to go learn the structure of the power sector
2. I am not sure at what level to engage you because you are making submissions that either makes little sense or a far departure from the issue at hand

So the summary of your point is "Fashola should be sacked"? OK. I have heard you

Abujaexpress:

preacherz: :
90% of prepaid meter users in the Country bypassed their meter

Now ask your self if you are a part of this 90% before making hypocritical comments


Udo

If consumers bypass prepaid meter, it is the Discos's fault. What stopped them from deploying a more robust technology to check prepaid meter bypassing?

....and who bears the cost/margin of the "robust technology" at the end of the day?

DirtyGold:
Imagine this guys using the welfare of Nigerians to do disco.
Chai.... diaris God o.
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Well, let them kwontinue

What's tha business?

Do you know what "disco" that is refered here?

progress69:
We should go back to PHCN. Simple. All this excuses are very silly ones. The truth is that this discos were sold to family and friends, political associates and the likes, instead of competent firms who are experienced. Some of the owners of these discos are actually major importers of Generators and petroleum products.

Bros,

Apart from your submission being largely false, you make assertion not backed up by facts

progress69:

bettercreature: :
A serious government would have fired Fasola because of this report

Lol. Clowns like u will start throwing attacks ahould iron fist be used on the Discos with thrash of being in a tyrant government. We remember the situation with banks.

I think by now we should realise that ppl with submissions like bettercreature have no clue about the situation on ground, and will not exercise restraint to seek understanding before making submissions that are off the mark

Reference:
There's nothing wrong. The industry is just maturing and I commend the DISCOS for flying an independent kite. Hopefully they will move to the next stage of diversifying their power purchase from Transysco and open up the whole market to whoever can supply them power and a favourable price to them which includes the general public.

Rejection means one or two things. Either the economics isn't right or the technical package isn't. Why will I buy power if I cannot make money selling it. Is that not a debt which will sooner or later destroy the whole industry. We all know that three of the biggest challenges faced today are: low electricity prices, poor transmission and distribution infrastructure and electricty theft and until these can be adequately addressed and surmounted, DISCOS will have no alternative than to buy only what they can sell and when they can sell to make a profit. This is purely business and if government as a whole operated like this, we will not be in the mess we face today.

Thanks bros,

I thought I would not get someone to rationalise this until I got to your post. My fear is that the consumers are setting a precedent, pushing the market to a "willing buyer-will seller" model. When this happens, there will likely be an embedded cost factor which will only be narrowed down to "alternatives". We will have a scenario where industries will rather opt to buy more of their power needs from disco at a price the domestic consumer cannot pay. The disco will then be more disposed to direct more power to the consumer who is ready to pay more