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mmsen:

The nine pilot states were chosen because they have an existing Social Register that successfully identified the most vulnerable and poorest Nigerians through a tried and tested community based targeting (CBT) method working with the World Bank. However other states have already begun developing their Social Registers and would be included in subsequent phases of the CCT implementation.”

It doesn't list the criteria.

Over to you.

OMG!!!!!

Ok....There is no set criteria, they just put their "family members" and the world bank endorsed it.........

Satisfied?

mmsen:
Which budget are you talking about the padded non-budget of 2016 or the 2017's inflated budget in which the recurrent expenditure is still greater than the capital expenditure?

As to the free money that this government is handing out the article claims that there is 'Community Based Testing' - those aren't a list of criteria, I'm asking you since you speak with such certainty about this matter.

Is this a demonstration of evasiveness or a demonstration of lack of comprehension. You will do better to go back and read with a view to understand rather than ask needless question

lacasera14:
I'm disappointed, I expected to come in here and see plausible reasons but no, all I saw was bull crap. Which part of Lagos mainland lacks night life, diversity, street food and all you mentioned. Asides from the high and mighty that Carved a niche for them selves down the island, none of this activities should be polarized to surulere.
Repping ALLEN AVENUE

You are absolutely correct.

Meanwhile all this Area chest-beat is absolutely unnecessary. I had felt same since my secondary school days, when fellow students will want to make you feel their area gives some superiority status......

wintersnow:
I hardly do this mehn....

I also hardly do this.....but I agree with you

The write up in itself is unintelligent. There is nothing distinguishing reported, just a concoction of everyday life activities found in every other places.

Lazy journalism - Surulere is home to Business, yet Zukerberg came to Yaba........and they still carried that aspect as well

Lexusgs430:
LOL........
Oga, how you take know my condition?

Bros,

Be careful of what you wish on yourself o!!!!!!

mmsen:
They have? Can you show me evidence of said expenditure? Have you actually looked at the budget?

And why did you duck my question on criteria? How are they identifying the qualifying parties?

1. The govt voted more to capital expenditure than her predecessors, is that false? You should be in better position to refute if they are not spending on capital expenditure, as 2016 performance window closes in March

2. Are you still asking a question on criteria? Are you telling me that you go into argument without reading? The reports stated exactly the modalities of how these people are selected yet you still bother to ask a question that the answer is obvious

mrpackager:
Buh I thought they initially denied not promising any 5k

There was not time they ever denied it. What they refuted was the confusion that antagonists and opposition put in. Many people did not understand how the intervention worked. I remember a PDP senator, less than 3months into the regime, stood up in the senate and requested that the senate to mandate PMB to pay Nigerian 5k, "promised". That was part of the confusion and done in bad faith

Qmerit:
Pls did u read my submission b4 mentioning me? I think we re on the same rd

Sorry Bro that it came out the wrong way. I only wanted to keep you in the loop, I am actually addressing the ignorant fellow

mmsen:
Where did I even suggest that government should hoard anything?

The money should be used for capital expenditure. This is no better than the policy of creating more government jobs and wasteful, inefficient recurrent expenditure.

.....and capital expenditure of what exactly? Is capital not currently being addressed or has this government not increased the votes on capital spending more than their predecessors?

asuustrike2009:
I know from your analysis but that money is damn oo small. How much is a litre of fuel? How much is a bowl of garri? .you know the poor has children to caretaker for .in this part of world the poor give birth to many children, so how would N5,000 in this present situation help?

The money is not a salary neither will it be in perpertuity

Boydehot:
Am not yet convince till the money is distributed to all account holders and not selectively. All nigerians are entitle to that money. There is nothing like poorest Nigerians

Where did the FG tell you monies will be "distributed to all account holders" or all Nigerians

SleekyPosh:
I REGRET BEING A NIGERIAN...This is nothing but utter shame and madness..Even the so called educated ones are just a bunch of retards..

If u have a 1st degree or HND from any institution and you still come here to believe this useless and illfated programme will even enhance the welfare of any poor person that zeven if it eventually gets into the hands of the actual less priviledged people and doesnt get stashed up in the account of this Bastard govt officials using ghost records and invisible data ti siphon funds meant for the needy..Then You are also a part of the problem of this country

i weep for this nation...We are bleeped already here..its a pity.

Bros,

Weep for yourself.....especially the fact that you are probably a graduate, yet cannot comprehend beyond a baseline

DejiDaGreat:
The baselessness of d programme notwithstanding, will d selected "vulnerable" Nigerians b paid their arrears since d it had been budgeted for in 2016? Height of fraud...well, I'm not surprised at all, since we are now in d era of systematic corruption. APC...deceptive govt, continue pls.

You manufacture a needless question hence you provide unnecessary answers....and ignorantly so.
1. The 2016 budget cycle ends in March
2. The budget system currently in place requires that unspent funds gets returned to FG coffers

But what is more important to you? The program or what budget?

musicwriter:
Whenever I hear African countries relying on world bank data to perfom a simply task such as identifying most vulnerable Nigerians, it speaks volumes that no education is really going on in schools in third world countries. Otherwise, how could the world bank have such important data about Nigeria while the Nigerian government have none? Aren't there statisticians coming out of our universities?

Scrap this foolery called education!. Its not serving its purpose in Africa!!.

Pls quit the arrogant postures laced with ignorance. Yes on one hand, the World bank keeps data, but many states also keep some form of data. Many people just speak in ignorance. States do keep many forms of data, especially their partnership and work with donor agencies,NGOs and international bodies requires they do so.

Meanwhile did the report say they used World bank data?

mmsen:
If you want to help these people who claim to be in need of 5k then provide them with basic education - everything from literacy, to civics, to sexual health education.

This is just a way for the same idiots who have been short changing these people to continue to do so.

And what sense does it make to hand out a depreciating asset in the form of hard currency when this government has done such a woeful job of maintaining the value of the naira?

Again, save this money and use it towards something more constructive than handouts.

1. You still don't get it. Nobody claimed to need 5k. The government is giving the 5k as a safety net. In order words, the government is giving cash incentives to alleviate their conditions, while getting them to buy into government interventions in health (immunization) and education (school enrollment). How do you want to teach your suggested "basic education" when in the first place these people are "disincentivised" and "disempowered" to make it to schools or primary health centres. How do you want to give "basic education" when it makes "immediate sense" to some to send their children out to hawk on the streets rather than go to schools. How do you want to give "basic education" when some families has to go out each day to hustle for daily meal?

2. On the value of Naira, you lot are just looking at the wrong paradigm. To these people in question, the Naira/dollar exchange means squat. But if you sat down to understand the interconnection and basic economics, then you will see that the cash to be given to these people cannot be deemed "assets", rather they are stimulants to reflate the economy and get cash to move in the system. Who told you government "hoarding" the cash will automatically translate to improvement in exchange rate? If government cannot not increase the spending power of people at this critical times, how do you want to help commerce?

alfred007:
my fellow citizens of this country called Nigeria, good morning.
I believe that most persons on this forum are exposed and have a certain level of education. Also I would want to think that majority of us are YOUTH.

If my assumptions are true then why all these clueless and gullible comments.

1. Nigeria has no data-base: how will they know the poorest persons in the country?

2. I supposed, the money will be paid in the bank: how did they get the account details?

3. This government does everything on media: I bet you this will circulate for a while and die off. remember Saraki case and others, Saraki is still Senate President.

4. Do you not think this is the most foolish idea? What do an average youth spend in a day? how much do you spend in a week?

5. I think as youths this country belongs to us. when do we start holding our leaders accountable. they come up, say one thing or the other and will do nothing about anything.

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE AFRAID OF ITS CITIZENS, NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.

THAT'S WHY AFRICA CAN NEVER DEVELOP.


SOMETIME LAST YEAR SOMEONE SAID BY DECEMBER RICE WILL BE SOLD 7500 A BAG BUT TILL TODAY I AM BUYING 25000 A BAG.

NOBODY HAS SAID ANYTHING TILL TODAY.

I WEEP FOR THIS NATION.

I stopped reading your submission as it is laced with total ignorance, yet you put up a front of knowledge. I will advise you stand by the lines and learn

efilefun:

Blackteeth: :
The poorest citizens should be the beggars at the motor parks. They are the ones who deserve it.

Dont be surprise some of those dudes are well comfortable "financially" but they prefer begging as a source of income, while they have stores and co managed by either their kids or spouse. There are also some group of mallams who are being paid % of what they earned by the people who shipped them from the north to various locations to beg and earn

Essentially the scheme is not for beggars. The Lagos State government has for example discouraged people from giving beggars money, especially the "perpetual beggars". The Lagos state government estimated that an average street beggar goes home with nothing less than N3,500 a day........

greenpasture:
Nigeria's inflation is rather curious as it is imported. Price increases are uneven - on some staples year on year price increases are quite low. The government seems to be trying to domesticate the economy. The 5000 per person will most likely go towards the purchase of local food items and also to local artisans.

Whether it will work is quite another thing but the idea of lifting the domestic economy from the base while favouring large strategic infrastructural investments at the top is interesting. We haven't seen that before. What we've had since 1960 is basically top heavy trickle down economics in which money has flowed outwards in consumptive spending.

This is, it seems to me not just economic management but also large dosage social engineering.

On tax, government is gradually increasing tax. this morning stamp duty was extended to savings accounts. Corporate tax compliance is also hardening amount large non multinationals.

It's an interesting ride. Believe me, one that is presenting opportunities if you know where to look. I've run as part of my business an incubator and an accelerator in Lagos for the last three years and foreign investment is coming in looking for scale.

Wishing you a prosperous New Year

Thank you sir, you've definitely update my knowledge on this

Fortissimo502:
5 billion naira per month in handouts? Wow. Why not fix the infrastructure and create a conducive environment for business and wealth creation?

1. ....and who tells you infrastructure is not being fixed?
2. who tells you that concentrating on "infrastructure" along is the quick fix.

darknetcom:
the stomach doesnt wait ooooo...

abi......

seguno2:

Qmerit: :
Campaign promises re being met gradually, more on economy PMB,
God bless you and your good team!
bad ones should be pls deleted by sacking,
Like the "well spended minister" etc

Campaign promise to create dependent almajiri beggars who will have no incentive to work?
Why is it so easy to fool us?

You need to purge yourself of patent hatred and see the bright side of the intervention. So far the "almajiri beggars" access a relatively better lease of life, then we see a government meeting up to their promises. What I see here is either a total lack of understanding of (and ability to process) the programs.

The CCT has conditions which are important. Few of which are

1. Parents will allow their children to be immunized
2. Parent will send their children to school

Is that not a humane thing to do?

mmsen:
Without a proper census or identification system this is designed to fail.

Deal with the structural flaws before doling out money.

I disagree with your position. You do not need to wait for your "proper census" before this intervention can start. What you call proper census is probably 10yrs away, are you now going to wait that long before you introduce necessary social interventions? Do you wait to have "proper census" before you start intervention programs like immunization, family planning schemes, community development aids etc?

What has been done is to adopt an ingenious approach to data collection, verify the same data collection approach with international standards as verified by world bank and commence intervention with such, while you improve on data collection with time

Kingspin:
It look good you pay them. Am not in Nigeria maybe that's why I laugh at most of their policies. The pressing issues/needs, better laws and good regulations framework that can change the fortune of a country are completely neglected. We keep rolling plans that yield no peaceful result. The country always planning and working like a drowning man which they are really. Who will save Nigeria?. Who are you paying N5000? For how long? How many unemployed youths? What criteria do you use to determine the number of poorest citizens? So they are only eating today and die tomorrow. Nigeria need a total and genuine change.

1. You are asking questions that are laced in total ignorance
2. you are asking question you can research yourself by reading up on the CCT

I laugh when I see people tout better laws and good regulations as a panacea/magic wand. Laughable because you lot just sit your behinds in some countries and think the same template works everywhere

emusbyz:
It is a pity that Nigeria is this backward and the masses are so illiterate to see this madness.
How can you in this century be wasting so much amount of money and claim it is to reduce poverty?
Please tell Mr President to go and read Andrew Carnegie's article "The Gospel of Wealth" . If he is too busy to read that, let him atleast ask one of his SA's to. All I see is a bunch of failing presidential cabinet.
#WisCeph

So the my take is that you want the president to read "The Gospel of Wealth" Some of you need to humble yourselves and understand things properly

Lexusgs430:
How I fit claim my own share?

Your case sounds like you fighting to queque up for food for the widows, poor or destitutes. Are you among the poorest?

Some of our assertive statements are false. Thank God you said it is what you feel.......

alexiej:
Here are what I feel;

1. Nigeria has no database, so the govt can't know (and reach out to) the real people in need. - Who told you Nigeria has no database? Do we have a holistic database in the sense of it, may be no; but do we have data to start work with...absolutely yes!. States had had some forms of data collection in the past. Donor agencies and World bank had worked with state government to collect data in areas of health and community engagement for example. This is done in many sub-saharan African countries

2. This reminds us that while some idiots are buying new cars and getting furniture allowance and refusing to pay salaries, so many pple are so poor, 5k is a big thing to them. True dat.

3. The older generation used to talk about how that u could buy a car with less than 5k in their days. How has the naira falling so hard!

4. I believe investing into education would bring much better (long term) benefits. True! But we are in a special situation where a single approach (investing in education) is insufficient. You have to "incentivise" the "poor" to be able to consider sending their children to school and not on street trading or traded off as house-boys/house-girls. You have to make sure kids in school are fed, so as to boost their growth and learning capability

Summary? I'm not being pessimistic, but I don't see this working at all.

Well your opinion. But is it not at least a bold step in the right direction? If we fail along the way, we simply step back, reassess it and readjust. Not taking action at all is unpardonable.

asuustrike2009:
What is the criteria for vulnerable poor citizens? How did the government got their data? How are we sure that the so called vulnerable poor citizens are what they imply? How are we sure the scheme wouldn't fail like SURE-P

Well from the report, it stated that the states had a social register of the poor, which met the set criteria of the social safety net scheme and vetted by World bank. In other words, it is left to the states to fulfil the first criteria, before qualifying.

I'm persuaded to believe that this scheme is sustainable and will not go the way of SURE-P. First off, it was painstakingly planned and now being executed. IF it were just for face-saving and political campaign schemes, cash would have been dolled out and the programme would have hit the rock

greenpasture:
Why are you asking people to prove an assertion that you can test yourself. Here is what you do.
1. If you are male, look for one of those women that worships snakes, demons or even trees. I suggest maybe the Osun Grove - the Arugba ( who carries the calabash for that year would be excellent)
2. Question them thoroughly to ensure that they believe that they have contact with ethereal powers
3. Sleep with them in the place of their choice, taking care to satisfy any conditionalities they might impose.
4. Do this sufficient frequency to ensure that you have been significantly exposed to every theoretic liklihood of "contamination"
5. Assume a hibernation period of say 60-90 days ( I have drawn this out of a hat. You might want to fine tune it)
6. Report back to the house that you are emotionally, physiologically, physically and spiritually unchanged.
7. Do check that she has no stds so that those in opposition don't blame this on spiritual forces.

Announce " Myth busted"

I think this is is a more scientific method than asking random people to prove or disprove a point without empirical evidence.

Good luck.

@bolded, I believe you've precisely hit the nail on the head. The OP asking for scientific proof to a "religious position" is like comparing apples and grapes; they are tow

fkdmods:
Are you sure these are soldiers? I just can't believe it. The Nigerian military is probably the most unprofessional bunch i have ever encountered. Jesus. Smh.

Symptoms of watching too much films and playing playstation III

Economics or Statisitics

caracas:
Your father is daft
Animalistic goat like u .
Is he the only one that has done brave n courageous things? I know of a particular Asp who raided several dens of kidnappers n eventually destroyed several gangs of kidnappers,but all he got were praises upon upon praises with no promotion whatsoever,all because he comes from a particular region.
They can only deceive dumb Bleep heads like u .
This country reeks of shit.

I must conclude that the need for "balancing" is reason to NL having patently daft people like "Carcas". You're looking for attention, don't you see that you keep getting bumped off serious discussion? Buzz off insect!!!

Nairadays:

caracas: Was it by merit ?
Am sure the answer is no
Nija n nepotism are like 5 &6.
Useless country

My brother please do research before posting. Almost all SARS operations in Lagos here is always led by Abba Kyari. In most news, you'll hear Abba Kyari. Forget tribalism, the guy is good at his job. He led SARS to capture GodoGodo and so many others.

This promotion is long overdue if you ask me.

1. Why is NL always bedeviled with dolts in the likes of @caracas? Some people are just naturally daft
2. Abba Kyari got my respect when he led the capture of Godogodo...... that was about one of the most dangerous operation yet very successful