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FeelDeMusic:
Hi Martinez19,

This is such an interesting topic! I have always been against organized religion--Christianity, Islam, etc etc etc. I myself am Jewish and, although my family is not orthodox by any means, I did have a bat mitzvah which I'll admit was quite beautiful and very transformative, at least in the sense that I was learning about personal growth and that I had achieved some personal growth at that time by memorizing around twenty-thirty chants and having to sing/chant all of them without reading anything. I was also just thirteen so it was that time of life where you aren't a kid but you're not an adult yet so....

Anyway, that's not the point of my post, nor is it the point of this thread.... so let's move on.

I believe that religion, at least organized religion, has contributed a lot of harm to society, mainly because of the points you mentioned. Some thoughts I'd like to add are that religion can make people be unhappy since they believe that they must suffer in this life to be rewarded in Heaven. They believe that the hardships they go through are unsolvable by themselves and, as you said, that God's got a plan and it's all in his hands, which I think is complete bullshit. It is up to the leaders of these societies to make everything right, of course, but it's also up to the individual person to see what exactly is going on and to see how they can get help.

I also think that religion teaches people that they are allowed to do whatever and to not worry over what they may enact since God's all forgiving, as you mentioned in your post. You are responsible for what you do, only you and not God, not Allah, none of that. Just you. And, as some other unorganized/pagan philosophies teach, you reap what you sew!

So... yeah, that's my take on this. Again, you pose a very compelling and, in my opinion, very true and valid argument. I'd love to hear your thoughts on mine!

dlondonbadboy:
What is stopping you from being a scammer? Do you like your poor life like this?

Gozbrown:
Bro, i understand but ASUU is a different body, NASU and Co wud have done same.

butterflyl1on:
And my comment was on the laws itself which you mentioned. Let me post it again because I can see your lack of an answer is making you livid.




Let's find out if these laws are actually caused by nature which it did not begin itself and was not intelligent to start with. Or if these laws which guide us as you clearly stated in your OP can actually guide without direction and yet be called laws.

If a higher purpose did not give us these so called natural laws which now guide man SO WELL then how did they emerge on their own by chance yet are able to inevitably occur so well and guide us so well and help us have direction in the area of development and life as humans.

If these laws where by chance then miracles are fake but if those laws were purposefully set (as is evident today in our purpose driven world) then that means that whatever purposefully set them can also suspend them.

Do you get it now?

Now cut to the chase and answer my first comment.

butterflyl1on:
Show me my "nonsense and disjointed arguments"

I rather showed you yours and you are now ranting as usual

So show me mine

tartar9:
The same way people like Joseph Stalin are the true atheists right?

tartar9:
The same way people like Joseph Stalin are the true atheists right?

butterflyl1on:
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You see when you want to write anything and want to sound convincing try not to be self contradictory. You said here that the universe has laws right? Pray tell how these laws came about and how it happened to be that these laws work for us. Is it by chance? If yes, how then is it possible for nothing with purpose to produce laws? If not by chance then it means something or someone with purpose instituted those laws. Not just for the miraculous but also for the fine tuning of the universe so it would enable us to definitely have a direction in development and knowledge. Care to share?



So much non sequitur. Until you deal with the first you cannot conclude on the miraculous being staged.



I guess famous people like Chris Tucker, Mase, Montell Jordan, August Jones, Kirk Cameron, Michelle Williams, Pebbles, Donna Summer, Sherri Shepherd, Manny Paquiao, Vanity, Dwayne the rock Johnson, etc all faked their miracles and were probably staged too.




A man is crying that he has no shoes until he sees someone with no legs.

Someone is crying that he has malaria and is very uncomfortable until he sees someone with stage 4 cancer

Someone is angry at his parents that he only eats twice a day and would rather eat thrice and also have dessert until he sees a family who struggle to even feed once a day.

Life is all about ones personal experiences. Pain is personal. They say it is he who wears the shoe that knows where it pinches. Until you walk a mile in their shoes you have no right to condemn anyone whose testimony you regard as "nonsense".

Finally, I thought you swore never to have a conversation with me. How is it that you always put my moniker on your list of responses? That must be another miracle

tartar9:
In essence,what are you saying;that based on your own interpretation,you think the so-called extremists are the true Muslims?
Also,can you state exactly what you consider extreme in Islam,because a belief held by the average Muslim may be conside red extreme.

konfused:
Then say that religion is a scam and not that the man is a charlatan. If you don’t know him personally or had encounter with him, you don’t have the moral right to call him that.

Ogwulam na onu. Udo diri gi

konfused:
Esi be gi eje be onye....

See how comfortable you are calling him a Charlatan, wonder how you will feel if someone called your dad such....

Have you met him before ?

Have you had any business dealings with him?

Have you ever spoken to him one on one ?

Has he ever taken any of your things by force or cunningly?

How then did you arrive at your premise he is a charlatan.

Assumption is the mother of all Fvck ups.....

Be wise

dnexteinstein:
Anyone who is truely intelligent and really wants to be honest would by now have realized that Islam is the "greatest threat" to human advancements. Religionists might disagree but there is enough evidence in history to assert that the Islamization of the West will cripple human advancement.

The Arabs would be the toast of the world today if not for their irrational belief system, codified as a religion (Islam). All religion are detrimental to human advancement but Islam is first among the park. Islam has failed the Arab nation. Now they wana export their failure to the world's most progressive societies. I wonder why Africans are eager to copy a model that has already failed its creators.

pweshboi:
feed your eyes and appreciate God's creations bro

Benjom:
I tap into this blessing. I have learnt that condemning what you desire is tantamount to shutting the door to such blessing. Oya, banters, where hath thou?

ettybaba:
Father Lord please extend your Blessing to me too.

jagorinho:
there is a frustrated friend of mine that hates being black, he believes that he was sent to nigeria from heaven to serve punishment, that all other well behaved people were sent to better countries in europe and north america.

femi4:
Back your claims with scriptures, don't just say according to the Bible.

Every miracles in the Bible came when the situation seems hopeless.

You are not Christ like anyway, I don't expect you to understand

femi4:
Jesus performed miracles when situations seems hopeless.

vaxx:
if jews can be reformed, what is stoping islam. Jews use to be like islam before. What is going to be change is how the muslim think and not how islam is spell in the literature. If the Muslim are reformed, Islam will be reformed. We are human being, so we can always progress. This is happening in UAE and Qatar..... Alcohol is allowedl but you will pay tax .it is a gradual process, they will get there.

The infallibility of the quraan must be rejected first. after all the quran was composed long after Muhammad death by his companions who memorized the literature by heart. something maybe missing or something must have been added. the Muslim world should take a critical look on it it. and again most Muslims do not really know too much about Islam. They were born into Muslim families, so being Muslim is a lot like a birth identity for them. And when you criticize Islam or a problematic verse in the Quran, or joke about Muhammad, they take it personally as an attack on them, on their identity.so with this fact in mind, people who will start the reformation must have Muslim identity so that the Muslim can feel a sense of belonging.and they will know you are not talking about them as people but their set of ideas and believe. the approach should be productive honest and responsible and not the type martins is advocating.

hopefulLandlord:
vaxx, I see you arguing for the clear differentiation while Martinez19 disagrees

I feel both of you are saying the same thing from a different perspective although (TBF) I just glanced pasts your various posts here

I do agree with both your viewpoints but I'd like to add as someone who's witnessed the worst and (probably)the best Muslims have to offer; I'm of the opinion that the best way to judge a religion - if there's any such way - are by the actions of its extremists especially if the extremists are more vocal

I say by its extremist as in literalist, someone who takes the book straight as it is not someone who pulls "interpretations"

A Christian extremist/literalist would probably be a "doormat" who takes slaves and protests against abortion

A Muslim extremist would probably try to kill anyone who doesn't share his idea of god/religion

This is where it gets interesting, A Christian extremist would most likely act the same way whether they're in the minority or majority BUT for the Muslim extremist, they play a cunning game of getting into foreign lands give appearance of being a moderate, give birth to children, try to get as many extremists as he can into the country he's in till they have good numbers and then shit starts hitting the fan; they start fighting for "minority rights" they want a say in governance, they act peacefully and the true citizen start arguing for them, after all they've been of good cheer so far until they become the "Majority" and suddenly nobody has any right, the extremist part of them then start showing and by then it would've been too late

vaxx:
you are now descending into bigotry against those honest Muslim out there. this is dehumanization. you already conclude Islam is entirely evil which is not true. countries such as Qatar , UAE and Oman are proving you wrong. these are countries founded on Islamic ideology but liberal as a people.

it is like saying Nigeria is a corrupt country, does it also mean every person who hold NIGERIA identity is also corrupt? to me , you are the hypocrite here for confirming and concluding all Islam doctrines are evil. i am sure you have never study Islam beyond the news.

vaxx:
this is not fact, it is fallacy. stop conflating Islam the ideology and Muslim the identity.

tartar9:
Also,atheists need to be treated the same way north Korea and other atheists nations treat non-atheists.period!