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Icon4s:
Iwobi can also play SS.

And what do you mean by Simy providing cover for Ighalo.

Iwobi is such a utility player. A gift to this team. I wonder when people say he should sit on the bench and wait for Mikel to get tired.

and if Mikel refuse to get tired then he remains on the bench lol

Kog45:
Sometimes better to watch the match all over again to have good view and balance review of the team.

yes very true bros

andrew444:
Yes onazi form is bad,I am not even comfortable of him starting

Onazi was the best in the midfield in that congo match, he gave simmy the pass to hit the post, he gave nacho through pass that he wasted, he played the free kick that resulted to the goal, he was all over the place in the midfield.

He might not be the darling of this group but let's criticize players constructively

Mujtahida:
Is this not why I say most of us here read superficially? He is analysing things based on feelers from camp not necessarily giving his preference as to who is dropped or retained.
Let's endeavour to read deep some bit. It would help reduce unnecessary arguments here.

I have not seen tbaba1234's response to your post but I can pre-empt what he'd say in response to your query.

seeing the congo game again, i don't think joel obi was bad

Joebie:
Ok o. Then let Rohr decide
Is the match today?

i believe the line up will be decided today

komekn:
I thought he did well but overly impressed no I was not , for national team selection I expect more. He scored but I looked at his over all play in the match as well.

I was impressed by the sub that came on and showed impressive composure and vision to score after darting round three players to score.

One match doesn't make a player.

you are drifting, i only ask about the athletico match, according to you his overall play was not impressive and you preferred the sub that came on??

Joebie:
The England game is a friendly. We are probably going to make 6 subs. Who are we going to bring in in the 2nd half? Not starting a player does not necessarily mean they are inferior to the starters. Friendlies are still test matches. Iwobi didn’t even score against Argentina until the second half. And who says we can’t bring him immediately after half time.

Matches like this will help us decide who to start in a more serious match like Croatia. I won’t be surprised if we switched formations at some point in the match. Let the experiment continue. But the boys need to show that they have been playing together for quite a while.

Our starting line up today gives a clue on our starting line up in the worldcup

TheGoodJoe:
This long story is an evasion of the truth. How many Nigerian internationals are playing in English youth academies compared to the innit boys. I bet it would be of ratio of 100 innit boys to one Nigerian International. Yet you are trying to sell that the Nigerian internationals have advantage.

no mind that man, only arsenal youth team can boast of 8 or 10 innit boys

Kog45:
Yes Kanu looked cool as SS and i don't even see him as thorough CF and his goal rating in eagles testify to it.

I remember Kanu-Agali combination in 2002 WC qualifiers,the two scored 8 goals(kanu 4 goals and Agali 4 goals)

But big question can Ighalo and Simy do it when we have Iheanacho in the team who always look solid behind the main man.

was it only that watch the poland game, he failed in that role and he made ighalo look worst

komekn:
Getting into European youth academy football is easier for a Nigerian youth international than an innit boy. You made the proposition that it's much harder for boys coming from Nigeria to get into football than boys here.

The branding of Nigerian youth international will open doors for you in Europe unlike Nigeria origin players coming from local clubs in England.

The case of Ademola Lookman comes to mind from Sunday football to EPL player within 3 years. Invited by Nigerian age grade but not followed through. England then got him.

Who do you then blame

It's bigotry to create division in the negative between what you define as Nigerian. You dismissed by substance and intent by excluding Nigerian origin players as being not Nigerian.

The same rhetoric is behind tribalism and racism.

That's why I termed it bigotry. Do you understand my position now.

I've known Tega since he was 15 at Tottenham and he had to prove himself over many years. The same goes for Ovie who left Arsenal for Liverpool, Seyi was different he came to Liverpool at 14 with a £1.8 million price tag. Last season Newcastle put in a bid for £10 million Liverpool refused.

Nwakali is not an expensive investment for Arsenal it's a speculative one. He has been sent out on loan to prove his potential, sadly and unfortunately he has remained anonymous in the much lower Dutch leagues. That essentially means he has not justified the investment. When a player goes on loan if he performs his value and rating go up if he does not they go down.


Consider Tega Abrahams I've known him for quite a long time too. One season in the Championship and his value sky rocketed. Easy access to the EPL now he is wanted by several EPL clubs even after the relegation of Swansea.

How many Eredivisie clubs tried to buy Nwakali question ❓how many asked for a loan move ❓ Almost none why Is Rohr and the NFF the only ones that can see his esteemed talent. Na only dem get � eye.

I refer you to a previous post where I gave countless examples of former youth players that cost huge money now playing non league in England.

Considering all these variables do you still hand on heart ♥ honestly think that we are talking about Exceptional Talent For a 20 year old player.

In reality if Nwakali had been outstanding in the Eredivisie, became the stand out player. It would be possible using exceptional talent proviso to get a work permit for him. He would then be playing for Arsenal or some other top club. But as it stands the possibility of him ever playing for Arsenal is near impossible.

The only way his career can progress is on the back of national team selection.

i want you to be honest, were you impress with Nwakali in the athletico match?

TheGoodJoe:
That is what Boss Icon4s is saying. You can play two center forwards but one of them has to offer mobility and creativity. So Iheanacho is the better option to pair one of the natural center forwards we have.

if Iheanacho partner them then is a 4-4-1-1 is a little bit different from a 4-4-2 but well what do i know

Kog45:
Yes a defender with Leyton Orient but alternate as defender and midfielder with eagles.

oh ok

Icon4s:
Yes but not the kind of Ighalo and Simi kind of CFs.

i actually don't like the 4-4-2 thing, but ighalo got a lot quantity to play off a striker, his skillful, with good vision

TheGoodJoe:
That is what Boss Icon4s is saying. You can play two center forwards but one of them has to offer mobility and creativity. So Iheanacho is the better option to pair one of the natural center forwards we have.

kanu - Crouch (Portsmouth)??

komekn:
Everything you deh talk na true, one big problem.

We are not Arsenal, we don't have Ozil or Aubemyang.

I'm not talking the players ozil and Aubemyang, I'm talking about the system 4-2-3-1, trying to make you understand that iwobi can thrive any where behind the lone striker and he dont need need a skill of a winger to that

eterisan:
Ajagun is 25..wow....... OK OK....I am not against him.. Ajagun over who right now in the super eagles..... See how this discuss has successfully changed from nwakali in the u23 training game against athletico into an ajagun for eagles call up?

Ajagun deserves a chance, truth be told.

Kog45:
Reuben Agboola was not the first Oyinbo wall but Tunji Banjo who was part of 1981/82 eagles.

The jersey cool on him not replica but real Nike.

Tunji banjo is a midfielder

Mujtahida:
Nobody runs away from this fact. It's a mute point. We are looking at effectiveness and the best position for him not whether he starts or not. Iwobi starting or not starting is not an issue for me particularly now that S. Moses is probably out of contention. The quality of his play is my concern. Till date you've not convinced me that Iwobi is effective on the wings. You just keep saying he is a starter. Starting is not gold. Effectiveness is. His career prospects, our WC prospects hinges not on whether he starts but on his effectiveness. No coach ever buys a player because he is a starter. Effectiveness is the premium quality coaches look for.

Once again proof to us that Iwobi is effective from the wings.

when you guys keep saying iwobi is not good in the wings it makes me laugh

these same people will say we don't have a number 10, abeg does it mean iwobi don't have a wing??

The truth Is or else you play a 4-4-2 you actually don't really require a true winger that sill need to connect with the 2 forward.

we play 4-2-3-1 just like iwobi team arsenal, when you play that formation, the 3 guys behind the lone striker interchange at some time and also go forward to assist the long striker, they are not really wingers. in arsenal you will see players like Ozil,Mkhitaryan and iwobi playing there...they are all potential number 10 and non is a true winger.

Jose mourinho adopted that same style in chelsea playing the likes of Hazard,Willian and Oscar behind a striker, non is a true winger

Mujtahida:
Abeg, we can call it sentiments or whatever, for the life of me let Ogu taste WC abeg ooo. Na beg I dey beg. Mikel Agu is still young and can make 2022 cos after now both Ogu and Onazi will likely drop out of the SE set up and thus create space for him in the midfield.

i remember keshi dropping Ogu too in 2014. Onazi is just 25, i don't see him dropping out of super eagles after worldcup if Nigeria and him do well there

tbaba1234:
Mikel agu was left out/opted out of the Poland game because he had to renew his passport. It was travel problems that made him miss the friendly.

Mikel agu was called to replace Mikel in london after mikel withdrew from the friendly, Mikel was not invited originally

Icon4s:
We are not likely to start Ighalo and Simy together. They are both natural CF.

Under a 4-4-2 formation in addition to the CF you play a supporting striker that can easily fall deep into the midfield to get balls and also easily joins the attack when on the offensive. That description fits Iheanacho.

We may only play Ighalo and Simi together if we are chasing a game and the coach decides to throw in all his dice. In this case a midfielder or defender may likely be sacrificed for the extra CF to be thrown in.

2 CF can play in a 4-4-2

tbaba1234:
If Ogu plays little or no part in the England friendly and Agu plays a part, then i think Ogu will be dropped. Agu played pretty well against DRC when he came on and he appears to be doing well in training according to reports. It is not as clear cut.

Ogu has not disappointed in all games he played under Rohr

tbaba1234:
I think Ogu might be dropped. It looks like Joel Obi is the preferred choice in the absence of Ndidi. That means that the last midfield slot goes to Agu or Ogu.

I don't think he will be dropped, Etebo or Agu

somehow:
Loving Agu is not enough to take him ahead of more established players except he wants issues with the NFF. Etebo na pinnick boy.

If he so much love Agu, how come he used him sparingly during qualifiers?

In as much as i don't like Agu that much, the coach has the right to take him if he feel he did better than the rest.

Where NFA dey when joel,Martins and ideye were dropped for Uchebo, ameobi and Reuben

tbaba1234:
Team A in Training today:
Uzoho

Shehu
Idowu
Ekong
Balogun

Onazi
Joel Obi
Mikel

V.Moses
Iwobi
Ighalo

This looks like the most likely starting line-up

from the look of things Agu might be dropped for Joel and Rohr actually see some good in Joel obi and that's risky for Etebo or Ogu if simon is fit

#permutation

edi287:
I don't mind dropping Simy for Moses Simon if worse comes to worse. We need every player that can provide a bit of guile.

why drop Moses simon and then pack 8 midfielders because to me iwobi is among the midfielders

komekn:
I think you are the only one dreaming this dream, please wake up Oh.

his not the only one, I'm in that dream too, we will play England

komekn:
I think you are the only one dreaming this dream, please wake up Oh.

his not the only one, I'm in that dream too, we will play England

PDPGuy:
If Moses Simon is declared fit for the group stage, Rohr could decide to name 7 defenders, 7 midfielders and 6 forwards in order to accommodate both Simon M and Simmy Nwankwo

what do we need 7 midfielders for, most of them are similar, hey pack them all

tbaba1234:
Colin Udoh on Mikel Agu training...

maybe we have not been fair judging the dude

komekn:
Camp is indicative not holistically absolute.

What you get in camp which is at best a couple of weeks is a small insight into a player ability. The more objective, conclusive and all encompassing assessment is what that player does week in week out in his club.

You no go be cockroach for Lagos come turn Lion when you reach Warri, Eéeeeeee no deh happen.

In the same vein you can't all of a sudden go to camp and become a prolific goal scorer bullying defenders left, right and center, when in your club and league you have been anonymous all season.

All that talk about camp performance is to move away from the objective to anchor on the subjective, which is open to abuse.

Look at top performing countries they always have thier top performing players. If those players have underperformed in the league, they are simply out, all things being equal.

in conclusion what is your point?

forgiveness:
Hahahahahaha! I have proved that before. It's true I said Kayode wasn't good enough at one point. Maybe last year.

If you want evidence, I can show you.

you mean before he hired you?