₦airaland Forum

Joebie:
You are focused only on the immediate result.. But i'm also looking at the process that brought us here. The process is very important. Good systems is good for the society. But it's not just our way. We want great results all the time, but we never pay attention to detail.

how is a youngster being in a 35 man list a bad system or how is your assistant having a say in your selection bad system.

don't you watch football matches, don't you see great managers consulting with there assistant before making change or decisions

do you think Nigeria is paying those assistant to just sit beside him and watch

Mujtahida:
Rest. Rest. Be still. You don't have an idea how corrupt Nigeria is and that is why when I see you crying I get angry at your naivety. I don't even have problem with corruption in Nigeria. My problem is our hypocrisy. If I have my way the first institution I will disband is EFCC.

How can we claim to be fighting corruption when the instruments with which we are fighting corruption are themselves corrupt.

Police thief prosecuting ordinary thief. Guy go and rest. You will hit your head against this wall, you will bleed. Go to some ministries and don't offer bribe and see if your work will get done.

this team was not selected base on bribe, the only bribe they offered was good performance e.g simmy

Joebie:
You are focused only on the immediate result.. But i'm also looking at the process that brought us here. The process is very important. Good systems is good for the society. But it's not just our way. We want great results all the time, but we never pay attention to detail.

do you see people asking who is in 35 man list jn Spain or brazil...is senseless

some countries already sent there 23 man list, who told you there coaching crew didn't have a 35 man list before 23.

people read things in news out of context, Rohr answered obviously to a journalist that wanted to know why nwakali was not in the 30 man list since he did well in the athletico match and Rohr gave him an answer which he want to hear.

what is 35 man list, you should judge this man by his 23 man list and so far his been fair, infact most of is can predict his team so where is the nepotism??

forgiveness:
Sir, you are of the sophistication school of thought that is why you are always being diplomatic with your choice of words even though you know the thruth but I don't believe that is enough in this present day country of ours. Issues must be confronted as they come. oha!

I don't see anything different when a politician will steal, kill, bribe and rig his way into a political posts and afterwards tells you to support the government and allow the will of God to play. He will even tell you not to resort to violence and to go to court knowing fully well the judiciary is under his feet.

This goes on and on and on and on...........still date.

So, because we know this is Nigerian factor, we should continue to suffering and smiling by accepting everything thrown at us?

Should the good people continue to stay aside and watch the evil have their field day?


i have always tried to make the point that Rohr doesn't know all Nigerian players in Europe. He works with what those around him gives him.

And that is why I really doubt he knew there is a active Nigerian goalkeeper in first division league in Europe that is able to solve our goalkeeper crisis hence the reason he keep sticking with a third division goalkeeper, a clubless goalkeeper and a bench warmer goalkeeper introduced to him by that goalkeeper coach.

How can Nwakali make the 35 man list ahead of players that did better than them in Europe?

Is the 35 man list not suppose to be for the best players in Europe?

I knew Lokosa was just to cover face, he is never going to world cup. Gbam

You claim Rohr gave them opportunity, right? Can you please list the players Rohr gave opportunity and did not messure up?

About Simeon, I doubt the authenticity of the scan done in Port Harcourt. I wanted to advice he goes back to his club and do the test again before we accept he is truly injured and out for 4 weeks.

Somebody must talk and I am just doing that.

I have been vindicated that Nwakali was on the list.

nwakali collect your land??

tbaba1234:
25 players to London decided.(+ Moses Simon)

3 more players to drop

One midfielder : Joel or Agu
One defender: Aina or Elderson
Then Simon Moses, if scan is negative.

if simon is decleard fit then Joel and Agu go

Mujtahida:
Abi, before forgiveness had no facts. Now he has a fact that can at least buttress his stance yet he's to be shut down without an answer to his claims. Kog45 is saying there's nepotism but let it be. This is Nigeria after all. My issue with forgiveness is that he will not let it rest. He will cry from now till 2022. It's really tiring.

Oga mujtahida what point is your forgiveness making,i have been watching you stylishly supporting forgiveness.

A coach said he had someone on his 35 man list and also said he selected his players with his crew in his house.

is the boy is the 25 man list??
do you know the other 4 players??
what is forgievness problem with Nwakali??
is Nwakali not a Nigerian??
is Nwakali a bad footballer??
why do we pay the coach and his assistant if they cant have a say in the coach selections??

is anyone in the 25 man list that is not supoose to be there?

oga you ans your man forgiveness need to answer those questions

Mujtahida:
Answer his claims. At least he has grounds to base his accusations. If you can't answer him then your ad hominem attacks are unwarranted.

Nevertheless, forgiveness you are hitting your head against a very hard brickwall. Sir Kog45 has put it down very ably. You can only continue to cry.

what is there to answer in his claims, the team is in 25 and some one is asking why some made an official 35 man list.

Joebie:
There is nothing wrong with him consulting with them.. But questions need to be asked when there are questionable events. Nigeria has not changed overnight, and I'm not expecting that to happen.. But we still have to say it as it is.

I already asked the question, on the back of what performance was K. Nwakali included in the 35 man list? He is a great player no doubt

joebie is nwakali in the 25 list now, who is there that dont merit it, i need you to answer

Humility017:
has elderson proved himself....?
let the old player proved himself first on why he should be in Russia....

he was in the position already and if someone have to take that place he need to prove him self...babayaro didn't take over from ben iroha because ben was old

Mujtahida:
Even that Idowu I no trust

idowu is not that wonderful but seem better than the two, Aina had all the chance in this world but still yet to convince.

since his debut he has played all our match except the Serbia and still yet to convince, no doubt he might come good in future but for now let him improve First.

charlesemeka85:
Aina is a great prospect which the national team will reap the dividends in no distance time. for crying out loud he is just 21 and still has a long way to go. his time with hull was his first season as a professional footballer and he gave a good account of himself playing over 20 games. he is work in progress so discarding him just because he made a mistake in a match of no importance is a no no for me. am not saying he should be a starter in this current team but making to the world cup will aid his development and exposure for future engagements.also this will go along way give a lot of our european born lads who are good enough for the national team to have a rethink about changing committing to nigeria.

The worldcup is not for development of players

Humility017:
how good is this elderson you are guys parading to be better than aina...
is it the one I know....or there is another elderson in the super eagles I don't know of.
a player so good and better than aina...but the best he gets in Europe was a division 2 club in belguim...where he still sits on the bench....

Aina is better than elderson....take that from me.....

you guys clamouring for elderson are doing so...because of experience...that have been useless to even the player....

If aina is better he should do that on the pitch, i was very much in support of Aina but not anymore.

Ebuehi has played far lesser games and yet he convince everybody what he can do.

if aina is good let him prove it

Mujtahida:
Etebo is an asset, Etebo is versatile, Etebo is a workaholic. Na so I don dey hear tey tey. But if there's one player that in my estimation confuses Rohr it is this Etebo. Since the match against south Africa he has been a flop yes a flop in the Gwg.

in this case you will choose rhe better demon, what will you say of joel obi, untested agbo or unreliable Agu?

Joebie:
Rohr has not been taking decisions as regards the list independently. We heard from the horse’ mouth. This is not an accusation on Rohr.

Modified
I wish I could see the 50 man list lol..

what's the essence of having an assistant and others...one of the attribute of a good leader is giving audience to your subordinate but making the final say.

I asked again who is the player there by sentiment??

Naughtytboy:
Agbo, Steven eze, locosa dropped

Ajiboye made the cut?

Kog45:
I think medical reports from camp should do the talking not players telling us they are fit.World cup is not for unfit players.

Rohr must come out and tell us on their fitness cos players like Ebuehi and Ndidi are important to the team.

If Moses Simeon or any players would be out in the next two weeks then they should be dropped.

In other countries nothing like managing players, Romero out Argentina called replacement ASAP but here stories.

oga if ndidi or mikel is out for 2 weeks they will make the squad, our first game is 16th of June

Romero injury is not short term, his been injured most part of the season

Icon4s:
In as much as I see Kayode as a surplus requirement to this team, I don't see him as a flop. He just has better talented players to contend with.

If it were 4years ago he would have made Keshi's 30man list at least.

keshi list??

omg keshi list was not by merit, strikers like amobi made it and ideye and Martins didn't

Joebie:
Rohr had said it since March that he would be releasing a 30 man list in May.. meaning he had a 35 man list prior to the Poland-Serbia friendlies. Possibly that list was pruned down even before he released the 28 man list.
Even in the selection of the 30 he said they took the decision collectively. So really there is nothing more I can say than he has sentimental people around him. And who knows, there could be more things I don't know.

what decision was sentimental, who was there that was not suppose to be there?? please answer.

And don't call Agbo and Agu because he has always like them from the start and every coach tends to like some players the fans don't fancy.

Anybody body truly following this team since Rohr took over should know that this team was legit 95% Rohr list.

Nigerians are never satisfied

Kog45:
Oga forgiveness i think you have been in this business for so long and you must know better how Nigeria national team selection goes irrespective of coach(foreign or local)

Different interest came into players selection and do not be deceived Rohr must listened to his back room staffs, so what they give him he works with.

I want to tell you that five dropped players from original 35 man list played against Atletico,and one keep on asking why players like Samuel Kalu,Ebere Eze,Peter Olayinka and Ajagun were not called up even if Rohr has seen enough of Nwakaeme,Kayode,Alampasu and Esiti.

Sir this is Nigeria nothing should surprised you,a lot of damn pressure from officials, agents and backroom staffs,bros you should know better,Nigeria factor and it would take an highly discipline coach to succeed.

I remember i was having discussion with Humility017 and i said i know a lot about eagles especially players invitations.

Check Simeon injury issue,an NFF official insisted that Simeon must have another medical check up in London cos he was suspecting conspiracy.This are the pressure a coach face in managing Nigeria national team.

But good things is that Rohr is getting it right by managing the team irrespective of players recommended to him.He gave them the opportunity but if you don't measured up you are out

Sir let's hope for better WC irrespective of players involved cos 2018 w definitely determine 2019 Afcon and 2022 WC.

we should not be talking about players in the 35 man sqaud, who knows Rohr mentioned Nwakali name because of the current pressure from the fans to call him up.

a good leader listen to his subordinate ideas and Rohr did that and his not hiding it because he sees nothing wrong with it.

Make una leave this man make he work

forgiveness:
But you were one of those who believed the coach didn't have 35 man list and you wan kill me untop.

Breeze don blow fowl yanch don show.

Is this not nepotism and na my brother selection?

Can you say Rohr has not been influenced so far based on this?

No wonder the selection of players is tilted.

So far NFF saw it and said nothing, they are part of this corruption.

i see nothing wrong with him being in the 35 man list, we needed a attacking midfielder.

daveP:
wow.ao that's 8 defenders? or 7 as o earlier predicted?

we are going to the worldcup with 8 defenders

Kog45:
Pls is Idowu better than Echiejile of 2010-2014?NO

The issue now is we are having Echiejile who has lost form to the level that we don't have options than to stick with any available option.

Idowu of today is not better than Echiejile of 2014 talk less of Aina

On NPFL players better than Aina,yes we have them just like in any other positions in eagles but technically they are not better.

I have a friend Sunday Johnson playing for Kwara United in late 90s and only outfield home based player to make Sydney 2000 Olympics football team.This guy is a baller and one of the two home based players always getting invitation under coach Thijs Librecjth.

This guy was better than Finidi and Tijani combined,fast and highly skilled. He went to Ajax trial and was successful but failed medical.When he came back he said o boy i know nothing about football, am just talented but technically am zero.

This is the problem with NPFL players and our coaches are not helping matter in their development.

I watched Cara of Congo against Enyimba live and i cry for Nigeria league, what a terrible displayed by Enyimba.

i saw CHAN LB and Fly eagles captain Ikwuonmen and i shook my head,not yet there,good option for him is to go to Europe and start developing but seeing him in NPFL again next year, is like talents going into extinction.

i respect your wright up, very objective and full of wisdom, Echiejile was obviously better than idowu and Aina in 2014. both Echiejile and Aina are truly poor now but one have more experience and exposure in football.

is it better we take the poor and less experience guy for back up or take poor but well experience guy for back...is very easy

on the NPL players, i once said here football is more of the raw skill and talent which is about 60% then the technical knowledge 20% more hardwork to improve 20%

why can't we help improve the best talent for that troublesome position we are having in the national team. i remember watching ibenegbu(mosquito) in Heartland, very wonderful midfielder and we were struggling for a number 10 in the national team.

travelling abroad does not automatically make you a good player it only improve you

charlesemeka85:
which osas are you talking about? you guys will never seize to amaze me. can osas make the grade in a league 2 team? so aina made one mistake which is common in all aspect of life and now he is not good enough? aside shehu, ebuehi can you comfortably name a better right back than aina in nigeria? this kid is still learning the trade and its normal mistakes will be made during that process. aina remain an important figure in the current super eagles set if not for anything his ability to play in more than one position is testament to his importance.

oga calm down with those analysis....been a footballer in Nigerian has alot of limitation, the likes of Aina will never make it to NPL level in Nigeria. forget sentiment there is nothing special about him.

give osas same treatment and believe and he will shine like a million star, naso una talk say lokosa na another uzoenyi and was not good enough but he disappointed you all.

at this stage Aina going to worldcup will be sentiment and not footballing reason

Kog45:
Joebie,why Uche Agbo

uche Agbo though not tested but is one of the few midfielders that can play in the defence comfortably...he was playing CB in Granada.

i just blame Rohr for not trying him out even for once and always get invited

daveP:
Two NPFL players gats make the list sha.

which law is that?

Joebie:
The Congo DR tie was not his second appearance. Let's not toy with that England friendly.

I'm torn between Joel Obi and Mikel Agu. One of them should be dropped.

if is between the two, i wilk pick Joel obi ahead of Agu

Kog45:
Pls i want to ask you a question, did Aina forced himself on Nigeria cos you are comparing what is not comparable,Aina and Utin Udo.

Echiejile making the team would just be based on his experience and being part of the team,noting more.

And what a pity Echiejile is now slugging it out with Aina not even Idowu, just to tell you Echiejile is not in good form and not Echiejile of 2010-2014.

I watched Congo match all over again,if not for the fake penalty committed by Aina,he was better than Echiejile in that match.

Pls tell me simple thing Echiejile did in that match.

Rohr is the coach and if he believe Echiejile is better,good.All we need is better performance from our boys irrespective of who make the team.

But trying to rubbish one player to promote another is what i know as taunting analysis.

If you don't rate Aina simple,no offence cos as am typing this I don't rate Awaziem but i will not come here and say Eze is better than him cos i don't rate him.

Echiejile slugging it out with Aina is not bad, at some point yobo struggled with Omerou...

Aina need to improve if he get another opportunity

Joebie:
MY 23-man list

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Goalkeepers(3): Francis Uzoho, Dele Ajiboye, Ikechukwu Ezenwa.
Defenders( 8 ): William Troost Ekong, Leon Balogun, Chidozie Awaziem (make-shift LB), Kenneth Omeruo, Shehu Abdullahi, Tyrone Ebuehi, Brian Idowu, Uche Agbo

Midfielders(7): John Mikel Obi, Onyiye Ndidi, John Ogu, Alex Iwobi, Ogenyi Onazi, Mikel Agu, [**Etebo Oghenekaro**]

Forwards (6): Victor Moses, Odion Ighalo, Kelechi Ihenacho, Ahmed Musa, Simeon Nwankwo, [**Moses Daddy Simon**]

Etebo replaces Simon IF...else Etebo out.

Etebo is an asset, i can't drop Etebo

nextlevel2222:
I would have preferred Aina should be given another chance to prove himself against a world class team like England on Monday before he is drop. As we all know that few players did very well in congo tie. I believe he will deliver if Rohr play him on Monday. I still dnt believe Echiejile is better option.. Have you forgotten schoolboy error Echiejile use to make. He even did it again against Dr Congo that can make Ref to give him red card in world cup tournament.
After the world cup I would love to see Rohr to try him for RB position who knows he can be better than Shehu and Ebuehi. Just saying ball is in Rohr court.

you are been very bais, you started with giving excuse for Aina performance and now you are making us understand that Echiejile own should not be overlook cause of the field.

Aina played worldclass opponent against poland and serbia and nothing come out

Humility017:
what's the essence of having a 30 years old elderson sitting on the Bench...for a 25 years old idowu...only to get play few minutes that if occasion demands....
but have a 21 years old aina go to the world cup.....sit on the Bench draw some wealth of experience and come back stronger few years time......

oga your analysis is wrong, siting on the bench don't have age restriction, in 1998 ben iroha who was 11 years older was on the bench for baba yaro. if you are not good enough the bench won't help you get better.

Joebie:
Awaziem would even do a better job as a LB. He's played there for his club. We should drop both players, and maybe consider Agbo as a back up CB lol.. Aina still has a future with SE, he needs to keep working hard.

not a bad idea, Awaziem plays in that position in his club...but i don't think that will happen

tbaba1234:
If Aina was as bad as Osas. I will be buying his ticket myself back to England.

Scale is an important word. Both have defensive frailties but on different scales. Osas has shown me one of the worst performances, i have ever seen from a full back in my life. Aina has not reached that level inspite of his obvious weaknesses.

so aina is better than Osas, i see no difference. with all the lecture and tutor Aina got from different world-class coach his still like this. if tgat boy here he won't make it as a footballer