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nelszx:
Since when has his long ball located any player with relative success? None Him and Joel play long balls to no one in particular

the one to iheanacho against congo.
The truth is when a pass don't translate to a goal, no one will remember

Famocious:
Underrated kee !
I think his long balls/passes are useless based recent matches he played for us

not true, try to watch that dude well again

Icon79:
This Croatian team is concentrating 100% of their attention on Nigeria. I won't be surprised if they have someone sleeping at the Super Eagles camp sef. Are they forgetting that they can beat us and still NOT qualify? Are they forgetting that they lost to Iceland in the Euro qualifiers?? And would lose to them again in Russia if they don't pay attention!

This their obsession with Nigeria is becoming a little annoying


O pari

i think we need to do same

Icon4s:
You need a creative partner that can fall deep. And that was Kanu.

is all about understand, ighalo is creative and can fall back, not like I'm advocating for it but situation might make us do it.

i remember seeing Chelsea play with morata when they desperately nees goals

Icon4s:
Just like when Kanu and Kluivert spare headed the Ajax attack of 1995.

bros thought you said such strike partner can't work in the morning?

Oasis007:


Perhaps you've led many Dudes astray with your crass Details. I can bet it you're simply following the Team emotionally and sentimentally Sir.

Tactically, Rohr played two Formations mostly during the qualifying Matches. Offensively the Team played 4 - 3 - 3 while reverting to 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 defensively.

Sir, football has transformed from an Art to a Science. It requires paying Attentions to every Detail. It's easier for Players like VicMo, Simon and Musa to perform with the Tactics than Iwobi - playing on the Wing.

Do you care to know why? They get the Pace and the Work-rate far better than Iwobi. Seem you think Arsenal played 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 Formation in the just concluded Season?!

Once again Sir, Football ain't an Art anymore, the Epoch has died with the Samba Football. At the Moment, football has transformed to a Science - take Germany and Pep tutored Teams as Studies to get clear Picture.

all what you wrote here is tales by moon light, has more of talks than fact

edi287:
I.e as an inverted winger. A few people have said the same. It honestly depends on who is playing in the middle. He can obviously swap positions with an Ozil but not a Mikel. This is why I've been advocating for moving Mikel a bit deeper. Play Iwobi or even Etebo (if you're afraid of Iwobi's workrate) in front. When you have Iwobi - Etebo - Vic Moses or Simon Moses - Iwobi - Vic Moses behind Ighalo/Iheanacho, what you have is a very mobile and fluid front 4 capable of interchanging position at will.
A Mikel as a Dlp can still be a big creative influence. Build up play will be better and they'll still be enough creativity in the final third.

good tactical idea, but will be useful for very much lesser team and not against Croatia midfield and Argentina attack

forgiveness:
That was were he played mostly in the Nigerian league before he left for Europe.

Rohr just gather players without considering their natural role.

He is a makeshift CMF or AMF in the National team.

Let see how things go this friendly. Maybe we can have a clue of what is on Rohr's mind.

oga that's where he plays for his club

somehow:
You sound like you just stArted following the SE.

NFF still get to influence some of the list. Take it from me, Etebo won't be dropped for Agu. Take this to the bank.

Etebo is even more useful than Agu and can do what Agu can't do.

We have 3 of Agus in the SE already but 1 of Etebo.

people here are always in a rush to jump and attack without reading well, now take a look at the attached picture and correct your self...i said i don't like Agu

asha80:
no way..improvised position in the national team..no way a winger

he played there in wolves and the Olympic team

Oasis007:
Tactics......! playing on the Side(s) of the Midfield doesn't mean you are a Winger, wing-forward precisely. Ask yourself this simple Question pls....... does Arsenal play on the Wing?! Do they play with Wingers?!

If we are talking of being patient, read before jumping to Conclusion; then I suggest you need to heed your own Advice. You really don't care whatever the Points anyone gives as far as its contrary to your view...... why?!

Can you compare all our Wingers based on their Stats and perhaps make your Conclusions on who deserves to be play on the Wing?!

No you need to read because what you are saying now has already been said before

i explained in details what most 4-2-3-1 is all about, you just dey go back and forth repeating what has been said before

andrew444:
Okay bro now i get you,and mind you i said he was poor,that does not make him not to be the best option in the middle of the park after ndidi and mikel,i was just comparing him to 2014 thats all

ok man

Joebie:
That’s just one of his 5 goals. And besides that was a cut back pass. I repeat crosses is still an important aspect of the game. It’s one more option when others have failed. And u need to have that option. We have see. Onazi drift out to do it. Somebody also has to provide that option from the left. Iwobi sent us to the World Cup because of that tactical change. If you go many pages back you will see when I said there is a gap in the middle of Zambia’s defense we needed to exploit. I said that in the first half. He did just that — something he is best known for.

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Let me add that Shehu cannot cross shit. We have other players that can cross from the right. We also need that from the left — that’s balance. Who is gonna drift out to the left and make that cross when it is needed most?

The more options — in terms of what the players can bring — u have in your team is what keeps you dynamic

we don't need to do this and that to win the worldcup, we only need to do what we can do well to win the worldcup. everyteam is different.

Mujtahida:
If Mikel can sustain his energy, fine but in case he doesn't nko? How will the midfield cope when you know from experience how it has played out over five matches without Mikel in the middle.

It can cut both ways. That's why it requires tactical thinking not that it is taken for granted that Iwobi must start and must play from the wings.

We are even agreed that Iwobi can play from the wings inspite of our realisation that he's not been quite effective. But you are not even ready to look at him in the middle (when Mikel is there cos Mikel will not get tired and will never get tired). You make it sound like it's forbidden, like it's a taboo. Under no condition do you want to see Iwobi in the middle but thank God the last friendly vindicated most of us here. Roh is thinking to see Iwobi from the middle!

We have all decried our midfield collapse (in some matches it's not even collapse, cos from the beginning the midfield disappears fiam) yet to use Iwobi there under any condition is like sacrilege. I don't understand.

his not saying iwobi can't play in the middle

komekn:
I am unreasonable to some I see Ogu, with his lack of mobility, slow recovery and snail pace as a liability in fast paced match. Even his passion range us far from excellent his way too PREDICTABLE.

You need unpredictable inventiveness through the productive use of skill, vision and flair in midfield to be dominate and beat your opponent.

you actually don't need all the spead in the world to be a good midfielder, how about his other quality.

*nice short passes
*good body balance
*intercepting ability because of his ability to read the game well
*good left foot shots that result to goals
*good with air both for attacking or defending

Joebie:
You have a point. But when those kind of fullbacks are lacking in the team...football has evolved but if you don’t have the right chemistry of players some formations won’t work. Why do u think Iwobi has been effective so far in SE colors?

shehu made such full back cut back for iwobi in the zambia match and yours truly was there to put it in, Mikel was in that team. simon went off for iwobi and iwobi was expected to be on the right side of the midfield.

iwobi has been effective because his a good player

andrew444:
Onazi is an important member of the super eagles and he played well in the qualifiers no doubt.

Onazi has a deep in form,are you going to compare the congo game to the world cup? i dont want to bring some games which onazi didnt pass accurate,seems you are only looking at the congo game then no problem about that,i dont know how you see the congo game,but the congo game i watch was irritating,wont say more than this for now because at the 2018 world cup onazi is a sure starter alondside mikel and ndidi.

no i was not only looking at the congo match, against Cameroon he gave the assist for iheanacho goal.

see my point is you can't just say a player has been poor and can give an accurate pass of recent without evidence, is not fair to the player.

I think everyone here should learn how to criticize our player constructively

Oasis007:
Thanks for reminding me Hazard and De Bruyne play the same Position on the Pitch. Sometimes I do find it baffling the kinda style of your Arguments.

How many Times Dudes would say Mikel and VicMo are the Heartbeats of the Eagles?! In fact they are the Wings of the Eagle according to some Folks. Do you know..... why cos the Team lacks creativity without them.

Now ask yourself, why the Team lacks creativity despite the presence of Iwobi in the Team?! The Answer is as clear as Daybreak, coz he's wrongly used on the Pitch.

What's Etebo doing in the Hole?! Is he a Playmaker, Creator or what?! Why wasting Iwobi on the Wing when you know he's less productive there and can easily fade off in the Position?!

I've said it before, Iwobi played not as a Winger at Arsenal; don't be fooled by the Lineup, rather pay Attention to it's Interpretations on the Pitch. Iwobi play as an AM with freedom to roam and swap Position(s) with other AMs.

I don't know why simple Arithmetic does turn to further Maths most time on this Forum. I made a Point, if you have a contrary view, tackle it with verifiable Stats and let's engaged in a healthy Debate instead of getting emotional and ending up being sentimental.

if Mr Mujtahida and Icon04 can remember i actually talked about that(your second to the last paragraph)If you can agree that he can play in that right side or left in arsenal his club, what is your problem with him doing it in Nigeria

And no the problem is not maths or further maths, the problems is patient and reading and not jumping to conclusion.

Mujtahida:
That's the rub. It's not in the least contradictory. When you are positioned to play centrally with liberty to drift to the flanks it's not the same thing as being deployed on the wings with liberty to move into the center. They are different but not contradictory. I can slap from left to right does not contradict slap from right to left. Gerrit? Yet one of those slaps will be more effective than the other depending on the ability of the slapper.

slap is different, iwobi is like a iniesta in 2010 worldcup, Spain had a lot of quality in the middle but iniesta still had room to play, you can see him occasionally drifting in and out and out.

slap happens in a split of seconds

komekn:
You have not addressed my question bruv.

Look at the specifics and address the two questions to qualify your answer, otherwise your making assumption based on nothingness your personal presumption based on what

For instance I have probably been to every EPL academy at one time or the other and at least 70% of Championship academies.

As well as qute a lot of League 1,2 and even non league youth academies. So I'm speaking from firsthand observation. Not hearsay.

Add to that a good number of European football academies. I have friends and associates who coach in European football even in the backwaters of Norway.

The term "innit boys" is in direct reference to boys in England of Nigerian origin let's be clear please.

you have to add the German born, the holland and Spanish born to the innit boys

you stated that it's easier for naija born player to get into an Europe club academy than foreign born

Oasis007:
I really can't get it, why Iwobi can't start from the Bench?! Is he more effective on the Wing than Ahmed Musa/Simon Moses or what?!

We all have agreed Mikel is the most creative Player in the Team, follow by Iwobi; then why putting our finest Eggs in the same Basket?!

We should know tactically it's gonna be a disaster in waiting, coz we all saw what happened to Liverpool after Salah's Injury. Had Liverpool got another talented Winger on the Bench, perhaps they would have won the Match.

Zizou didn't start Bale for tactical Reason, but it paid off in the End. He came in so fresh and bagged a Brace which won the Club the 3rd UCL Trophy in a Row.

I won't stop saying it, both Iwobi and Iheanacho are better off playing from Bench than starting a Match. They would be more effective coming from the Bench tactically.

so what you are trying to say is we should keep one of our other creative player on the bench incase the first get tired or injured.

Just like keeping De bruyne on the bench just incase hazard get injured.

Joebie:
Because sometimes we would really need to exploit from the wings because of a weakness in the opposition. Iwobi doesn’t give u that option in terms of crosses. You want unpredictable forwards — one who can cross as well. As an opponent trying to stop Iwobi, i’d expect him to pass the ball or cut in almost all the time.

same can be said of forward players like willian, hazard and mata they hardly give a cross but cut in or make a pass, football has envolved, most regular crosses are always done by the right back and left back or else in rare occasion.

eterisan:
Nigeria vs Egypt. Siasia as coach. Nigeria vs Japan u23 Siasia as coach... Under Rohr can't remember any.

yea i know,he doesn't not play as a midfielder under Siasia

Mujtahida:
His underperformance is annoying. I think his so called versatility is his problem. He doesn't quite fit anywhere.

i still don't understand why his playing in the midfield, i watched him under siasia, he played the Africa tournerment before Olympic, he was a very much forward player

Kog45:
Yes Rohr trust him and am seeing him making the 23 man list but so far he has not really imposed himself.

I think his pedigree is going for him among fans not his performance.

I want Joel that would complement Mikel in the middle and Ndidi doing it with them but so far he hasn't,may be with Mikel in the team we see better Joel tomorrow.

in all fairness Agu should be dropped

andrew444:
So you will judge a player with only Congo game ?

The Congo game I watch was boring and irritating in the eyes,correct me if I am wrong

never i don't want to use older matches because from your world you said onazi is not the Onazi of 2014, during the worldcup qualifier he was one of the top performer, against Cameroon he had one of his best games with super eagles.

infact when he was substituted for Agu against zambia our midfield crumbled.

remember you said onazi can not give accurate pass this days hence I'm pressing on the congo match because is our last match...abi which days are you talking about??

Mujtahida:
Yes. What is contradicting there. Mind you I'm drawing from your exposition that arsenal uses false wingers (as you called them) who interchange and move into the center(if I understand you correctly). I'm saying it should be the other way round. Iwobi needs space in his head to play in a flow. The lines restricts him even if he has to drift to the middle.

what you said is contradicting because if an iwobi can play right and drift to the center and can easily drift from center to the right too, why then do you have a problem with him playing right or center when you know at some point in the match he will drift to the other side

andrew444:
I am not criticizing him trust me,I am trying to say this is not the onazi of 2014.

Forget Congo game,onazi hardy give accurate pass this days.

why do you need me to forget our last game which is congo??

Mujtahida:
That Joel is rough ooo.

yea,I'm seeing the reason he get injured frequently, his always putting his leg on the line.

we need to start seeing him as a different player not the mikel replacement

Mujtahida:
He merit am? The way that guy has underperformed is so fat. Bar Akpeyi Etebo ranks number one followed by Aina in terms of underperformance.

i can't remember the last time Etebo had a good game for Nigeria

LieDetector:
I see it as Joel's last opportunity to show us what he's got up his sleeves

him starting that match shows Rohr trust him, he has started all our friendly since he came back

Mujtahida:
I feel that Iwobi needs space to flourish and if you want him to be effective he should play more centrally not as a false winger who needs to cut into the midfield. He should be a midfielder who drifts wide to the lines not a false winger who drifts to the middle. Granted I'm not a coach but that's my hunch.

Bros your right up is contradicting, you want iwobi to play as a midfielder who drift wide but not a wide player who drift to the midfield??