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edi287:
Nonsense. Suarez did not have a better pedigree than the guys I mentioned when he was at Eredivise. He had only scored more than 20 league goals in the Eredivisie twice. Someone like Kezman had scored over 30 twice.
Suarez was not seen as in the top 5 strikers when he was at Ajax and his first season at Liverpool. This is a fact!

and he manage to become the 6th best player in the world in that period, how Come? he bribed Fifa?

goldfish80:
If you follow the contest of the discussion, you will know he meant Rogers no follow. Sometimes, you go beyond words spoken to understand someone.
That is communication

communication in this context will only be judge by what we read, we can't use body language because we can't see him

edi287:
Why didn't any big club pick Suarez up then? Ibra moved directly to Juve from Ajax. Hunterlaar moved to Madrid. Kezman who scored 35 in 33 games and 31 in 29 moved to Chelsea directly afterwards. How come Suarez moved to Liverpool if he was the best striker in the world?? I repeat Suarez wasn't as highly rated as Hunterlaar, Ibra, Kezman when he moved to Liverpool. This is a fact.

Are you the one doing the rating, is liverpool a small team. good agent give you the best deals

goldfish80:
You want to do an about turn on what you said not more than 24hrs ago. Anyway, there you have it.

DId you say Sturridge was a champions league winner with Chelsea?
Please, how many minutes did he play for for Chelsea in the Champions League?
Are you sure you know what it means for a player to peak?

Lastly, why haven't Victor Moses averaged the numbers Salah got at As Roma where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione?

"Was Rodgers a top class coach just asking" how does that mean Rodger is a bad coach? but really was Rodgers top class?

goldfish80:
How many big European clubs buy players straight from Zezco, Enyimba or Ashanti Kotoko?
Guys like Mohammed Zidane and Aubameyang came into their own at Dortmund
The point is that Dortmund have ran a successful and sustainable business model centered on smart scouting and proper development.
The results are there for all to see with trophies and rich alumni of players.

Ranieri brought Monaco back to league une after spending time in the lower division. If not for the Arabs who bought the club few years back, we won't even be having this discussion.

please sir don't say what you don't know, aubameyang is French born, and already had a good season at saint Etienne and for Mohammed zidane, he was already well known in Germany bremen, Mainz and hamburger.

You asked if players can be signed from african academics and club the answer is yes Nicholas Nkoulou now play for torino was scouted by Monaco from Kadji sport academy and our very own Haruna Lukman was signed by Monaco from global crystal Academy.

That is scouting network, going down to the grass root.

edi287:
Ronaldo scored 42 at man united and the next season didn't replicate it because of injury. And Mourinho and Fergie used him the same way as a false winger. Daglish and Rodgers did not in regards to Suarez.
Again - Suarez wasn't rated as highly as Ibra or Hunterlaar when he left Eredivise. To say he was the best striker in the world is ridiculous.

IbrahimovIc had a total of 35 goals in Ere divisie, while Suarez scored 49 goals in 48 matches in a single season. when last did a player score such amount in Holland football

edi287:
Ronaldo scored 42 at man united and the next season didn't replicate it because of injury. And Mourinho and Fergie used him the same way as a false winger. Daglish and Rodgers did not in regards to Suarez.
Again - Suarez wasn't rated as highly as Ibra or Hunterlaar when he left Eredivise. To say he was the best striker in the world is ridiculous.

Bros ronaldo never scored 42 league goals in Man U, if you put everything total then his goals in Madrid will go up too, we are talking about league goals here. the point is he goal scoring prowess increase while at Madrid tremediously but that won't take the glory from Fergusen whon natured him.

goldfish80:
The question was "which club has the best scouting network". When it comes to that, nobody can take it away from Dortmund. They scout players all over Europe, South America, Africa, Us of A and even Asia. Check the demographic of their players down the years.
I strongly believe they are the best.

same goes to monaco, there network is all over the globe, buying players cheap and sometimes selling them the next year thrice there transfer fee.when was the last time Dortmund bought a player directly from africa

edi287:
CR7 was already scoring in the epl which is a top league. Epl to LA liga is much different form Eredivise to Epl.
Suarez became a better goal scorer thanks to Rodgers. If Daglish was still around, he wouldn't have scored anywhere close to 33 goals. Rodgers had a clear idea on how to use him and get the best out of him.

Just like ronaldo will not score 40 goals a season under Ferguson, so morinho had a clear idea on how to use him better

Bros Suarez peaking in Liverpool little to do with Rodgers, just like ronaldo peak in Madrid

goldfish80:
How? Monaco got it right with their scouting just 2 years ago, that was it. Dortmund have stayed competitive over the past 12 years purely by their smart scouting team?

Place Dortmund graduates side by side with Monaco's,you will see Monaco haven't even started. Micheal Zorc and Sven Millisant are the best in the business. You can also add Monchi the former Sevilla DF.

scouting is different from having good academy graduate, Dortmund are good with scouting too, Monaco didn't start 2years ago with the likes of yaya toure, saviola, adebayor and Evans.

edi287:
I'm saying yes I agree with it but if you look back at the previous seasons you'll see how deadly Cr7 has been for madrid. Cr7 has won top goal scorer awards in LA liga before Zidane. Suarez not only never won the top goal scorer award in epl, but he never scored more than 11 before Rodgers. He scored 11 in 33 before Rodgers and 23 in 33 and 31 in 33 after him.

Ok with your argument is ok to say morinho made ronaldo a top class player, because ronaldo never got to the 40 goal Mark in Man U. the best he had was 31 and others were 17 and 18.

but under morinho he increase that tally consistently 40 and 46 goals. we all know Ferguson made Ronaldo, it's not cool to give Brendan glory for Suarez development, he was at his peak at Liverpool and Brendan happen to be the coach

andrew444:
Suarez Made name at Ajax,I will agree with you on this one,Suarez had the world on his feet at ajax,it doesn't need to be the premier league or Spanish league,Suarez was world class at Ajax before he signed for Liverpool,Liverpool didn't made Suarez,I think i am with you on this argument

I think so too

edi287:
Monaco - bvb - atleti - Southampton. Shakhtar is a good shout as well

Southampton have a good youth system, I dont know if that's equal good scouting

goldfish80:
Borrusia Dortmund should be number 1. Nobody does it better than them

Monaco might be ahead of them slightly

edi287:
We can go back to ronaldo numbers with Madrid to see if he was being humble.
We do the same with Suarez and you'll see the difference in the epl. 11 to 23 to 33.

You don't get it, Ronaldo will also tell you zidane made him who he is

TheGoodJoe:

"If it was not for Brendan, then I know I would not be the same player that you see at Barcelona today. Such a big part of my education is down to him and his management. Of course he works to make the team stronger but he really works on a one to one level with the players."... Luiz Suarez on Brendan Rodgers.

is normal for players to sound humble, even ronaldo will say same about zidane

edi287:
Top 10? Yes. Top 6? No.
Actually Eredivise gets a 1.5. That alone should show you that the Eredivise wasn't a top league at that time. Suarez wasn't yet World class at Ajax. His first season and a half at Liverpool showed it. He only scored 23 and 31 the next season when surprise surprise - who was coach again?

He was not world class, but was on the path to that, Brendan scouted him and I doubt he made him worldclass

ChrisKels:
Why are some people comparing the dou of Awoniyi and Umar? Why bring down one kid to promote the other kid forgetting they are all ours and we ought to be happy they are coming up nicely? U guys do some stupid arguments here sometimes.

I want Sadiq to spend one more year in the Eredivisie but with a better team like Ajax, same with Awoniyi with a team like Anderletch. The future looks great.

how does comparison relate to bringing one down, comparing them shows they are doing something right.

ChrisKels:
Awoniyi Named in Belgian Juplier League Of The Week

 0 April 9, 2018 5:32 pm

By Johnny Edward:

Royal Excel Mouscron’s Nigerian striker Taiwo Awoniyi has been named in the Belgian Juliper Team of the according to the official Belgian website, sport.be reports Completesportsnigeria.com.

It was the second time the former Nigeria U-17s and U-20s striker has been selected in the team.

Awoniyi scored his second goal in the Belgian UEFA Europa League playoffs clash against KV Kortjik over the weekend.
So far this season, the Liverpool loanee has scored 10 goals in 31 appearances, providing seven assists.

Royal Excel Mouscron who lead the Belgian UEFA Europa League playoffs table with six teams from two games will face Zulte Waregem in their next game on Saturday.


The bolded is for those who think u must be born in England to have the talent. My boys are making me proud and I pray it continues. Post world cup gonna be sweet with stiff competitions for places.

This guy could add some competition to Gwg, his partnership with Iheanacho during there under17 days could be an advantage to him

elyte89:
Its not personal bro,I be Yoruba man ,na Hausa man musa b ,I just don't like his style of play,not productive at all

what's with the Yoruba man and Hausa man??

elyte89:
Not agbim...myne was Ayodele makinwa,Ahmed musa(still topping d chart) ,ogbonaya KANU,peter utaka,

Musa got 2 worldcup goals, I'm not sure his that bad

edi287:
Ok let's settle this once and for all - Is Ramsey a playmaker or a Regista?

Regista means playmaker but deeper, you might be right Xhaka is a deep playmaker

goldfish80:
Suarez best striker in the world at Ajax? You lost me here to be honest. Do you really mean this or you're saying this just for the shock value?
Do you even realize that Suarez was under a 10 match ban for bitting before transferring to Liverpool in January? How many games did he even ......*sigh* abeg forget.

He scored 35 goals in 32 matches before the previous season

edi287:
I brought proof to back them up...

and what I gave to you was not a prove right, bros 6 could be 9, depending on how you look at it

edi287:
Some things are opinion while some are undeniably facts.

And the fact is your own opinion right

edi287:
I said "dictating play from deep". Xhaka dictates play from deep. Ozil in the final third. Ramsey is a b2b midfielder who is known for making late runs into the box. He doesn't and isn't good at dictating play. That's what I've been saying since.
Maybe I should put it this way - Ramsey can't control the tempo of a game from deep

Bros we should end this already, you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe, Xhaka and Ramsey ain't Nigerians.

edi287:
No I am not deviating. Can you bring proof of Ramsey playing as a regista?? What physicality has Xhaka brought that we didn't have with Coquelin??
RAMSEY CAN NOT DICTATE PLAY. He is a b2b midfielder that is known for his late runs into the box and stamina. He can not dictate play. I didn't say Ramsey wasn't creative. Comparing Ramsey and Xhaka is like comparing Vidal and Kroos. Kroos is a Regista. Vidal is not.

Wenger on why he signed Xhaka over Kante : "[/b]When we play at home especially, and you are dominating the games, it’s important to have someone who can pass from deep areas through the lines[b].

‘We looked for someone who could do that and I felt he had those specific qualities to do that"

Again when he was asked the same question: “They are different types of players,” “[/b]I think Xhaka is more in the distribution of the pass through the lines[b] and Kante is more the ball winner with the real technique to steal the ball without making the foul.

“[/b]You can compare more Kante with Francis Coquelin more than with Xhaka. Xhaka is more a distribution player.”[b]

Bros what is dictating play in the midfield, it actually means deep lying playmaker

Icon79:
I totally understand what you mean by a certain partnership not working. And you can throw in "Ndidi/Onazi" into the mix as well. However, we shouldn't jump into that conclusions based in two games where the team essentially played a weakened side - that is, the South Africa and Serbia games. You gotta agree that he played well in the friendly against Argentina.


O pari

they played well because Balogun was also there

Icon79:
And Ekong/Omeruo could've conceded six. You never know

On a serious note, anytime you lose, the best player in the world becomes the guy who didn't play in that game.


O pari

This a case of partnership, they might not be bad players but is not working for them together, just like lampard and Gerald never worked

Icon79:
And who told you that Ekong/Omeruo's partnership would've performed any better than Ekong/Awaziem? And who told you that the coaches haven't tried all those possible scenarios/partnerships in training to see which ones work best?

Please, we need to give these coaches a little bit of credit because most of them understand the game and understand the team better than a vast majority of us.


O pari

and who told you and who told you, Awaziem and Ekong partnership conceded 4 goals in 2 matches, is not a coincidence

tbaba1234:
He had a steady run in the team before his muscle injury...

And he has had some great games with Nantes..

sure he had good times, this is his real first season in top flight football, he will get better hopefully

edi287:
You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Coquelin was already providing all that but his passing at deep wasn't good enough.
Anyone who is familiar with Wenger knows he doesn't like playing with traditional destroyers for a while now. That's why he converted Arteta and Denilson to DMs. Why do you think he moved Carzola to a CM??
Xhaka isn't a destroyer. He's a Regista. Anyone who's watched him will tell you as much

You are deviating, you said Ramsey was not so good in dictating play that arsenal acquired xhaka because of that, Xhaka can also dictate but not better than Ramsey.Xhaka gives arsenal more physicality in the midfield which is what arsenal lacked while doing a dictating job.

Ramsey is better than Xhaka going forward in all capacity, please dont make us derail this thread