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sonmvayina:
Did Abraham sacrifice his son?
Was Jephthah ordered to sacrifice his daughter ?
Was Hannah ordered to sacrifice his son?
Please, educate yourself..
God said human sacrifice is an abomination.
That was why he commanded us
"THOU SHALL NOT KILL"

jaephoenix:
Of course if I tell you to prove yours is original and theirs is fake, we'll restart our same old dance. But hey, that's how theists roll. They always believe theirs is the correct and others fake, even though they're the same thing

achorladey:
Biased on what kuma? That out of all the thousands of religious organization on earth Jesus choose your religious organisation in 1919. Tell us did your religious organization believe all others are teaching the TRUTH then?

achorladey:
I have already shown you your publications that states Jesus chose your religious organisation in 1919. Stop peddling lies about that. I am not covering it with smiley or anything. Does your religious organization believe any other one teaches the truth out there as at the time Jesus chose them?
Even when we don't do what you call misquote you will call it lies. Deny it, insult then accept it as TRUTH.
He has shown you already that your religious organization was chosen in 1919 the reason you started peddling the religious organization don't hide anything from us.

Courz:
If you like, redefine what Spiritually clean is to mean something else, Watchtower Lied about being Spiritually clean.

The summary of your point is :

Since you JWs still needed to make changes in doctrines from these doctrines below taught in 1919, it means Watchtower lied when they said they were Spiritually clean in 1919 which was what made Jesus select them. Watchtower was still teaching False prophecies and doctrines shared with the rest of Christendom.

Your point also means that Jesus never selected Watchtower in the first place because they were not Spiritually clean as at 1919. And up till now, you JWs are still not clean because your doctrines keep changing.

Your point also means that the whole 1919 doctrine is a Lie. A fraud. And the authority the Faithful slave has over you JWs is a Fraud as well because Russell was the Faithful Slave before he died in 1916. When he died, Rutherford became the Faithful Slave. Anyone who is in power in Watchtower is the Faithful Slave. Watchtower just made claims without you thinking and verifying. They never gave you evidence of Jesus selecting them. So, you JWs are under a Scam as we speak.

achorladey:
So it is now you were not the only true religion. Did Jesus choose your religion in 1919 we already know he didn't choose others in your publications?

achorladey:
. It is for advocatejare

achorladey:
Wahala look at what you post again

Point out the lies using bullet points. Shikena

I don tell you that your military intelligence go start to do you something else. You will become completely lost within the conversation paapaa

MaxInDHouse:
They're so blind spiritual speaking!
When Jesus quoted Isaiah saying:

You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.' “However, happy are your eyes because they see and your ears because they hear. For truly I say to you, many prophets and righteous men desired to see the things you are observing but did not see them, and to hear the things you are hearing but did not hear them. Matthew 13:14-18

Please note the highlighted in red!
What exactly were Jesus' disciples seeing or hearing (literally) that others standing there can't see or hear?

Well it's because the prophecies regarding the Christ's coming was deep and complex so only faithful people can get the sense of it.
For instance Malachi said Elijah will come first before Christ {Malachi 4:5} Elisha told the Israelites that Elijah went to heaven with flying horses so Israelites thought Elijah will return like that to introduce the Christ that's why Peter, James and John after seeing Moses and Elijah with Jesus during transfiguration asked Jesus:
“Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” Matthew 17:10
Jesus only explained n to them that John has fulfilled that prophecy! Matthew 17:11-13

Millions of Jews don't believe Jesus today because of these things, they're expecting a God prince that will be born in a spectacular way and like a professor whose office people will be going for counseling {Isaiah 9:6} so when Jesus' disciples told them the miracles surrounding the birth of Jesus they were asking the same question this faithless guy is asking today:
Who saw all these things? Where was it documented? How come only you people know that Elijah and Christ have both come? When did Elijah came that nobody saw him?

So my brother advocate is gradually getting the sense of what we are saying but his heart is sealed up due to all the bad things he was told about God's organization that's why he quoted Jesus' illustrative prophecy regarding his presence in power {Matthew 24:27} just as the Jews were expecting something great in sight {Matthew 11:7-9} faithless generation like advocate will continue looking but they will not SEE any of these things, even though the evidence is all around them.
Last week while at the cath witnessing a traditionalist walk up to me and asked politely:

"I can see that you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses"
i responded
"Yes Sir, do you need any of our magazines?"
He said "You people have been saying the world is going to end and my own father told me that you've been saying it for as long as he was a boy, today i CAN SEE that what you people are preaching is fulfilling gradually because the whole world is totally confused now. So can you Please! Please!! Please!!! tell me what's next because now i'm in my early 90s but i won't want to loose out completely after SEEING all what you people have been saying about your Jesus"

We concluded to visit him in his house to commence a Bible study but an elder in our congregation said instead we supposed to invite him to the Kingdom Hall so he can start HEARING WHAT WE ARE HEARING AND SEEING WHAT WE ARE SEEING! Matthew 13:16

So whenever i see those Satan has completely blinded with false religions {2Corinthians 4:4} like this guy i only feel pity for them because even though they know that Jehovah's Witnesses organization is unique the stubbornness in their hearts won't allow them to humble themselves for their own salvation! Zephaniah 2:2-3

achorladey:
@ advocatejare those two called MaxInDHouse and Aemmyjah will always first call whatever you post as LIES, then DENY that their religious organization ever stated, preach or teach such a thing and then begin to insult you only for them to admit that what you indeed posted are the truth and that is now OLD or PAST TRUTH.

The following from their publications will push them to keep running from pillar to post....

9 Postponed expectations. We naturally long for the good things that Jehovah has promised. In fact, when Jehovah’s prophet Habakkuk expressed a yearning for Jehovah to bring an end to the wicked conditions in Judah, Jehovah instructed him to “keep in expectation.” (Hab. 2:3) However, when the fulfillment of our expectations appears to be delayed, it may dampen our enthusiasm. We could even lose heart. (Prov. 13:12) This happened at the beginning of the 20th century. At that time, many anointed Christians expected to receive their heavenly reward in 1914. When that did not happen, how did faithful ones deal with their delayed expectations?




Ask them what was the reward the anointed Christians were expecting in 1914?

When did Russell die?

Did he (Russell) receive this reward in 1914?

sonmvayina:
The Jews...
For their religion called Judaism..

achorladey:
did you know the quote you were asking from Courz since you classified them as rumours and our words cannot be taken seriously

jaephoenix:
So were names of writers attached to other books of other religions
Still doesn't make them less fake

achorladey:
Did you see me say they are not written in books? That they are written in books don't mean whatever they want to hide, they won't hide it there.

sonmvayina:
The original convenant at the mount of Sinai..

jaephoenix:
But you believe the Bible 100% even though you weren't there and it has lots of loopholes and contradictions. Not only that, there's no historical and archaeological evidence backing it
But what the hell. You're a theist. Logic don't mean nothing to y'all

achorladey:
Oga respond to the discussion in front of you. Leave the creator of this thread alone. Why the diversion into unnecessary things? Why?
There are many ways to hide things away from people. Some even said
Despite the fact that the people they CALL blacks today can read and read well at that and had gone on to achieve many great things while reading there are still many things hidden away from them kept in books and in other forms.
The above is just an example of ways people hide away things from fellow man. You will think you see or know what was hidden or going on whereas you still remain in the realm not knowing at all and many things are still kept away. The example given above is not to demean the black people

sonmvayina:
Everything about Christianity...
From virgin birth
To human sacrifice to appease a god...
And magic tricks..

Courz:
Watchtower lied when they said they were Spiritually clean in 1919 which was what made Jesus select them.

achorladey:
You are still cherry picking what is not there.
It states......
I tell you, he will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith* on the earth?”
Where in Luke 18:8 Jesus said is checking all religious groups in 1919 to see if they have the FAITH he was talking about here?
Read in context stop forcing your ideology into the scriptures.
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You further tie yourself with the way you want to start jumping from scriptures to scriptures. Spare me your either way Matthew 24:3 - 14 is clear. Clear on what? I don't have business with Matthew face the Luke 18:8. Jesus is not talking about that your religious checking. Stop manipulation of Scriptures

sonmvayina:
Which part of Christianity is not??

jaephoenix:
Lol. A theist is asking about verification.
Interesting

Courz:
You are not a JW Mad MaxInDHouse. You are an Apostate. Somebody else in this forum has called you that. You are contradicting Watchtower's claim and if they get to see this, you will be punished. It is a shame that I, an EXJW, Have to school you on your doctrine. You should be ashamed of yourself. I know what you are trying to do but it won't work.

Look at the first pic below. Those are the doctrines Watchtower taught when they were selected in 1919. These are the doctrines Jesus certified as Correct and right, thus qualifying you JWs as Spiritually Clean and the One True religion.

Look at the rest of the screenshots from your publications. Watchtower claims between 1914 and 1919, The org was Spiritually cleansed and went through refinement. Jesus then came to inspect the org and found it fit to represent him.

Looking at the doctrines you taught during that time, Jesus obviously was okay with all of them according to Watchtower. If Jesus saw these doctrines as Truth, why did you JWs change all of them? Why did you need to change when you were already declared True and right and Spiritually cleansed by Jesus while teaching these doctrines?

achorladey:
It states......
I tell you, he will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith* on the earth?”
Where in Luke 18:8 Jesus said is checking all religious groups in 1919 to see if they have the FAITH he was talking about here?

jaephoenix:
What do you care about facts?

Ken4Christ:
Satan lease has not expired. He has been defeated but not yet dethroned. He is still the god of this present world system.

Courz:
Mad MaxInDHouse, are you sure you are a JW? Before you got baptised, are you sure your Jw teacher taught you this 1919 doctrine very well? This is the doctrine that makes Watchtower have authority over you and you want to claim not to know it. Even EXJWs who have left the Cult over 20 years ago, if they are asked this doctrine, they will repeat everything I said verbatim. All JWs and EXJWs know this doctrine, why are you asking me where they made this quote? You were arguing in support of the doctrine and all of a sudden you are asking me where they made this quote? Did you smoke Igbo before replying me?

MaxInDHouse:
Please can you quote where they said this:

Courz:
Watchtower says they were selected because they were the only ones that taught Truth

jaephoenix:
Seven million years after we left the chimpanzee lineage.

brocab:
Max will always turn people away from the truth, only because Max is running scared, His a runner, no back bone left in him.
Max tells people he is with the CIA-and If anybody get's in his way, he threatens them.
Most people will see stories like these very childish, but if you aren't ready to learn the scriptures it's your choice. I never seen them like arguments, I see them always as a learning.

cornelboy:
John 17:20-23
[20]“I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message.
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
[22]“I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one.
[23]I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

Those are Jesus' prayers. Jesus clearly explained what being one with the Father his. Being one with the father is not the same as being equal with him but being in perfect unity with him.
No one is equal to Jehovah God.
Man is the head of the wife, Christ is the head of man and God is the head of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:3

Jesus has always been God's servant, doing many missions for God obediently. Of course Jesus is a God but the same God as his father. 1 Corinthians 8:5&6.

In fact, Jesus have a God but God doesn't have a God. John 20:17, Revelation 1:6.

Hebrew 1:9 NIV
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy." [6]


Trinity is trash and completely manmade doctrines. Thanks to the JWs for making me understand the scriptures and have to full picture of the Bible.
I don't care if you you agree with me or not.

I have no intentions of teaching you because you're clearly here to slander the JWs together with your comrades.
And I see you as an inferior when it comes to understanding and interpretation of the Bible.

achorladey:
No scripture in the first place said anything about Jesus checking any religious