₦airaland Forum

You have failed to quote a publication of JWs stating a specific day or year the world will end!

This is what most gullible followers of faithless people do instead of studying the Bible to get the sense of the scriptures.

God's people always anticipate the end of all badness just as you will see in the Bible but they will never ever tell you a certain date because they're only anticipating due to what they're seeing around them.

John the baptist have heard from his parents how Jesus was born, Jesus came to get baptized, Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, God spoke from heaven yet John questioned if Jesus is the Christ or not! Matthew 11:3

WHY?

The disciples walked with Jesus for over three years, he thought them so many things about the end of badness and made them understand that many things will happen first {Matthew 24:4-14} yet after his resurrection they asked him if he will hand over rulership of the earth to Israel despite all what Jesus taught them.

WHY?

Because God's people can't wait to see the end of all badness!

So if modern day worshipers of God are also anticipating the end of badness note if they're giving any specific date as the end of the world.

Thanks for your time!

advocatejare:
Wonderful! So the apostles went to heaven in 1914?
Here is the 1 cor 15:6 that you quoted
“Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep”
So applying the same to the fictitious 1914 heavenly journey and 1916 rapture, how many people of the world experienced it, how many of them are alive today? Who recorded the event? Or was it only JW governing body that is aware of the rapture?

It's pathetic that you don't know how important Jesus is yet only 500 Jews (who are all his disciples) that witnessed his departure.
So only JWs knew not because they saw him physically lifting people into the air but what he told us regarding his presence is what we saw.

John the baptist questioned Jesus' authenticity Jesus only told him to consider what happened that time to get the sense that the Christ is around. So even if John was confused what the prophecies regarding the things Israelites will notice during the time the Christ is around will serve as PROOF! Matthew 11:2-6

So it's the events happening on earth at that time that's evidence that the anointed have left the earth. You can't change what the Bible said even though you know all these but you just choose to follow the way of faithless people!

sonmvayina:
Two of you can't be right..
But both of you can be wrong..

Says REINCARNATION!

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO listen carefully, there is NO herbalists the people you're patronizing for healing and deliverance that doesn't know anything about money ritual but they won't tell if you're not closest to them

HERBALIST are those who deal with HERBS and those that deal in rituals go specially to become professionals in that area that's why you can't expect all HERBALISTS to know about money rituals Sir!

triplechoice:
I'm not an atheist so don't label me one.
If I have an headache and decide to buy Panadol to relieve the pain, and it works,it's not trying to commit suicide. Nearly everyone has done that. It's first aid before anything else.
And FYI that's self medication which is not wrong in that instance.
So stop the pretence and wailing because you have also done that unless you want to lie as usual.

Panadol has DOSAGE as directed by the maker so you must BELIEVE (TRUST) what the maker wrote on the pack otherwise overdose or under dose will not yield positive result.

Aemmyjah:
Lol
You mind am
Ask him again to mention who his people are?

I don't have his time let him go and gather his own students teaching them that the most important personality ever on this planet never lived!

Meanwhile i want to teach this misinformed churchgoer what he doesn't know about true faith!

advocatejare:
I know. I’m just starting from here. I’ll appreciate if you and others like Courz and the likes can join in exposing these people so that their evil plans to mislead multitudes can be destroyed
Hmmm.
May God have mercy and rescue the misguided and the lost souls!

Ọmọ i told you not to start what you can't finish!

I've been answering your questions even though you may disagree but you haven't quote any of our publications where it's stated that the world will end in either a specific day or year!

advocatejare:
Who are the people that went?
Don’t they have names ?
Why are you holding on to the straw ?
How come only Jw heard the so called rapture and the rest of the world didn’t hear it?

I have told you the names of those you can find in the Bible: Apostles
As for the rest of the world you only need to ask how many people knew about the coming and going of the Christ even among the Jews in the first century not to talk of people living in other places back then?
Remember that Jesus is the saviour of the whole world not only for the Israelites yet only 500 Jews witnessed about his departure on this planet {1Corinthians 15:6} so how do you expect the whole world to know about his presence when he comes to take away his spiritual brothers who are asleep in death?

advocatejare:
That will be your fate for believing in fake doctrines and prohecies.
Even Jesus said no one except God knew the time it will happen but you JW lied that it was in 1914 and 1916

Of course no one knows but when the event Jesus foretold as SIGN of the time began unfolding we know! Matthew 24:3-14

advocatejare:
How come all you JW are yet to complete your mission and you’re still here with the rest of the world that you don’t see as true believers?

Only the anointed among us are going to rule with our King in his government house (heaven) nah!
We are of two folds:

©The anointed brothers of Christ known as the little flock! Matthew 25:40 compare to Luke 12:32
This group are the spiritual Jews spoken of by the prophets {Zechariah 8:23} they are numbered 144,000 {Revelations 14:1}
Jesus promised to take them to heaven where houses awaits them {John 14:1-4} they are blessed! Matthew 5:3

©The other sheep also known as the great crowd! John 10:16 compare to Revelations 7:14
Our group is made up of people from different races who are faithful globally, unlike the first group we will renovate the earth and build homes of our taste! Isaiah 65:21-23
Jesus promised us that we will inherit this planet {Matthew 5:5} and live forever on it! Psalms 37:29

So it's not all faithful people that's going to heaven!

OgaNightmare:
Oga rest, Christadelpians, SDA and a host of others do not each Hellfire.
You better thank SDA, cus the forerunner of JW was a firm believer in eternal torment that he even had to go around with chalk writing how people will roast in hell
Untill he met Adventist preacher, Jonas Wendell..........
This is the age of critical thinking
Any sane adult that believes in a afterlife of pain and suffering in a fiery place is indulging in self-delusion.
Matter of fact I'm stripping off every bit of religious indoctrination, Science so far has freed a lot of people from superstition.

The highlighted is a lie!

Meanwhile it's JWs that's preaching zealously against hellfire that's why most churchgoers hate us!

triplechoice:
I just ignored him now. Thanks

Better do because i never mentioned you before you came to test your IQ!

triplechoice:
For the last time, who is the physician for person who self medicate?

Self medication?
Walahi talahi atheists no get shame!

So you decided to commit suicide shey?

But i will still help you!

Directives do come with all medicines so you must BELIEVE (TRUST) in the guidance otherwise you will not get the benefits!

triplechoice:
You have gone on another track.
With medications ,once it gets into your system, your body reacts to effect a cure without you doing anything of your own,. Your body chemistry reacts. That's all.
People who are unconscious are sometimes given injections which works, without them aware of what they have received during that period.
Why is it difficult for you understand something as simple as this.
You're trying to use your religious beliefs to interpret medical science, and that's where the problem lies for you.

You only need to calm down so as to get the sense of what i'm saying.

The drug works in your system but you must BELIEVE (TRUST) the physician otherwise you either refuse to take in the drug or misuse it, either way you can't get the benefits!

advocatejare:
And the conclusion of when the end will come was given in verse 14 of the same Matthew 24:

“And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come”


So had the gospel reached the whole world in 1914?

How come only no one else knew about the rapture your organization claimed happened in 1916?

I never knew that rapture was a hidden thing that only JW would be aware of

Well now you know that it's not a thing that concerns faithless people and moreover they would have gone with Jesus when he began ruling because it's for them that Jesus is sending Satan out of heaven. So immediately Satan is ousted their abode will be ready.
Ọmọ you will wait till destruction comes upon you suddenly, Jesus has taken the dead in his form to heaven only a remnant who are yet to complete their earthly ministry remains with us now!

sonmvayina:
So I should fold my arms and watch you deceive people ?
Not when I am still alive..

Who are your people?
Well it's just between advocate and myself, and i don't think he is one of your students.
So sit down and watch two professed believers in Jesus do this!

advocatejare:
So who were those that saw the rapture and taking away of the saints to heaven in 1916 and 1914 respectively?
Where is their documentation?

Jesus was asked by his disciples who were at that time not born of the spirit:

“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” Matthew 24:3

Because when Jesus begin ruling in heaven nobody on earth will see him so what his disciples on earth need to know that he has begun ruling is what he told them! Matthew 24:4-14

Likewise nobody can SEE any of these things except the signs Jesus promised his disciples to watch out for which you people have ignored so how can you know when all these things are happening?

Don't worry Mr Reincarnation, this has nothing to do with you or your Torah!

sonmvayina:
Point of correction..
Written by Greeks priest....of the Roman Catholic church..

advocatejare:
Verse 17
“Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.”
So were those alive in 1914 caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air?

After the first set left the earth those who are still alive among the anointed brothers of Christ will not sleep as dead men awaiting resurrection anymore, they will be transformed immediately they die so that's what Paul is saying not that you will see people flying in the air!

You've not answered my question:

Where is the publication of JWs that specifically stated:

The world will end in the year .........?

advocatejare:
You’re wailing because you’re being exposed!
If your organization knew that people wouldn’t be able to verify their prophecy why did they declare it? The disciples saw the spirit of Moses and Elijah talking to Jesus and the event was recorded. “And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him” Matthew 17:2-3
How come your own event wasn’t recorded or experienced by anyone on this earth? It’s because it was a mere delusion How come you made claim that rapture took place and no one experienced it ?Haha! Iro yi po!

All your questions has just one answer!

BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS!

Before Jesus' disciples were born of the spirit Jesus made them see so many things in order for them to BELIEVE him but after they became baptized of the spirit they don't need seeing all those things anymore.
Today you and i already heard of all the things Jesus performed it's faithless people that supposed to be asking for such signs but Jesus said faithless people will never be given such opportunity! Matthew 16:4
So only Jesus' disciples who proved faithful were allowed to witness those signs as for the rest of the first century Jewish community they only heard from Jesus' disciples. That's why the 98% of Jews today don't believe in what you called the NEW TESTAMENT because to them it was written by first century Jews who were DELUSIONAL!

advocatejare:
Jesus ascended to heaven in the full glare of people
Mark 16:19
So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God
When Jesus died on the cross and the saint were raised from the tombs, people saw them and it was recorded, how come your own so called saints going to heaven and rapture were not seen or recorded by anyone?
Matthew 27:52-53
The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

You're misconstrueing the whole thing but you only need help!

First of all i want you to know that the person Jesus' disciples saw ascending to heaven is not human but spirit so he made himself visible to them so they can be sure that he has risen from the dead and that he's returning to his former abode.
That's why the Jewish community kept persecuting Jesus' disciples because they thought it was all a LIE. The whole people saw Jesus being killed but only his disciples saw him alive afterwards.
So don't use the word "PEOPLE" when talking about eyewitnesses of his activities after his resurrection rather say "HIS DISCIPLES" know that if people (who aren't his disciples saw him after his resurrection) they will all believe him like Paul did!

triplechoice:
Your belief or trust in any doctor ,who is attending to you, is not what's going to make the drugs they prescribe work for you.

The same way blind belief will not make sound counsel work for you, you must PRACTICALLY apply divine counsel before you can get it's benefits.
That's where BELIEVE (TRUST) in God comes in because He knows better than you do just as the physician knows better than you regarding the drug prescribed.

Thank you!

cornelboy:
Herbalists that use agbari oku and human parts are no longer herbalists but ritualists or spiritists.

To him:
LECTURER means ADULTERER because some were caught sleeping with students.
NURSE means BABY KILLER because some do help in abortion.
POLICE means EXTORTIONER because some do take bribe.
It's just funny how some people do think!

When we tell you that you people don't know what you're doing it will seem as if we're boasting. How can you call yourself a Christian and expect those going to heaven (as spirit beings) to be noticed by people?

Jesus said they will not get married because they have been transformed into spirit beings (angels) {Luke 20:36} so how do you expect anyone to see them with ordinary eyes?

Please when you're ready quote any of our magazines in which is is stated:

The world will end in the year _________!

May you have PEACE!

advocatejare:
Who were the saints that went to heaven in 1914

All those dead in connection with Christ: this means those BORN of the spirit while they're alive. The apostles are the foundation of this limited number {Luke 12:32} while many also got baptized in the spirit afterwards, all those dead among them before 1914 has been taken to heaven that year!

advocatejare:
Where did the rapture take place in 1916?

Globally as foretold by Christ Jesus!

advocatejare:
Who were the eye witnesses?

Nobody can see them because they are dead in the flesh and humans can only see fleshy creatures.

Can you quote any of our magazine in which it is written:

"The world will end in the year ......."?

advocatejare:
Were the saints carried to heaven in 1914?
-who were the saints carried to heaven
Did the rapture of the saints happen in 1916?
-where did the rapture take place?
-who was there?
-was it reported?

YES it happened, your problem is ignorance!

The first fruit of God's Kingdom will be taken to heaven not in the flesh because they're dead in the flesh {1Thessalonians 4:16} and has been transformed into spirits (like angels) just as Jesus foretold {Luke 20:36} nobody can see them we can only decipher through the things happening on planet earth immediately they take off!

So just as only faithful Jews saw Jesus left this planet only faithful disciples of Christ will know that the dead in Christ have left their graves!


Please you've not answered my question:

Can you quote any of our magazine in which it is written:

"The world will end in the year ......."?

advocatejare:
Were the saints carried to heaven in 1914?


Did the rapture of the saints happen in 1916?


Those are some of the false prophecies your organization gave that failed!

Those are real occurrence but who will tell you if you don't believe in Jesus of Nazareth?

For your information the Holy Ones or Saints as you people do call them were taken to heaven that time!

Aemmyjah:
You are the mediator na
Another stupid lie from your mouth

OgaNightmare:
Fairy Tales
Hellfire us a fictional place in that exist in delusional minds, I refused to be threatened by this bullsht

Please ask them who released them from the fear of HellFire?

OgaNightmare:
Fairy Tales
Hellfire us a fictional place in that exist in delusional minds, I refused to be threatened by this bullsht

Go and tell all your friends what Jehovah's Witnesses told you about the fictional HellFire then come back and start criticizing those that opened your eyes to the empty threat of Hellfire!

advocatejare:
.

Now you're lost in your own accusations!

This is the question again:

Can you quote any of our magazine in which it is written:

"The world will end in the year ......."?

Just one magazine.
Saints were surely taken to heaven in the year 1914 and the Jews were restored.
But all these you can't understand if you're not really interested in Jesus of Nazareth.
So leave that and talk about what you called FALSE PROPHECIES regarding the end of the world!

sonmvayina:
You really think if there was really power in that name, the white man will give it to you?
You must be a joker..

That's the most powerful name among all those who ever walked on this planet.

You can find another name of someone whose disciples/ followers/ adherents are still actively doing what he commanded after 2,000 years of his physical exit from this planet!

Aemmyjah:
You're having problems with what I call comprehension

Some of them are even confused to the point of arguing that Jesus never existed at all yet it's JWs they also target out of all religions claiming "CHRISTIANS"
Is that not strange?

https://www.nairaland.com/7234738/jehovahs-witnesses-abuse-behind-name
https://www.nairaland.com/7122544/breaking-news-norway-no-longer
https://www.nairaland.com/7000070/jehovahs-witnesses-tied-freemasons
https://www.nairaland.com/6994962/witnesses-jehovah-documentary
https://www.nairaland.com/6944208/jehovahs-witnesses-linked-united-nations

oteneaaron:
Yes, Christmas is of "pagan" origin and this one of the many proofs that Christianity is not an original religion - its just a spin off of older religions.
25th of December is a very important date as it the day the Sun is reborn - this date echoes thru out older religions.
Mithras the Sun/Son God was born of a Virgin on December 25th, on the day of his birth, there was a bright northern star and 3 wise men came to pay homage with gifts.
Let me not even get started on Horus aka Iusa who was born of the Vrigin Isis.
The story is the same in many other religions that existed before Christianity.
The Myth or Story of the Sun/Son of God, the God-in-Man is as old as religion itself.
It is not original to Christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CWBKRWIg0

oteneaaron:
This thread is an overflow from a earlier thread - - https://www.nairaland.com/6994962/witnesses-jehovah-documentary
I have challenged MaxInDHouse to give me undeniable proof that Jesus is a real figure from history and not a mythical figure.
This is the actual challenge:
MaxInDHouse the ball is in your court.
Shall we begin?

Workch:
I am not an atheist.

OK you're only FANATICAL in your opinion regarding faith in God!

jaephoenix:
I know you didn't complete kindergarten but he wrote 'christian sect' not religion.
By the way Workch you forgot these JW pests

You completed university (Cambridge) only to become a professor who spends his time, data and effort throughout the year arguing about what you claim
"doesn't exist"
Your EDUCATION is indeed worthwhile!

jaephoenix:
Theists have no idea what fallacies are. Isn't that their bane?

FALLACY!

fallacy (plural fallacies)

Deceptive or false appearance; that which misleads the eye or the mind.
Synonyms: deception, deceitfulness


An argument, or apparent argument, which professes to be decisive of the matter at issue, while in reality it is not. A specious argument. ~ Oxford Dictionary

ATHEISTS claims they're free from deception in religion but they're cooking up FALLACIES in the name of EVOLUTION just to replace what religion thought them. Instead of investigating further to know the difference between false and true religion they want to write off all religions but by the end of the day they produced sadists who will become famous and commit suicide after removing GOD totally in his/her brain!