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Roycemadeit:
[Were these people fighting one another over territory, or were the Israelites coming to take land that others already occupied?

Study your Bible to know that all these nations came to settle in Canaan through war not dialogue.
So when the Israelites were matching towards their territory and they knew how they took possession of that place what are they expected to do?

1. Pick up weapons to fight the Israelites which they did but got beaten and destroyed.

2. Surrender like the Gibeonites who are also Canaanites but the strongest tribe in Canaan back then.

Ọmọ you have nothing tangible to say because the strongest tribe in Canaan which is Gibeonites have judged all those living there by seeking peace with the Israelites it's like Nigeria raising shoulders at a nation to which America bowed even you will condemn any of your own rulers who chooses to fight against such a nation!🥱

If anyone is following this thread sincerely and you're interested in knowing what Jesus meant in that verse here is it.


Jesus always talk in parables for instance he told his disciples to store their belongings in heaven {Matthew 6:19-21} are we taking this literally? Of course not as we can't take anything out of this world {1Timothy 6:7} so what is Jesus saying here?
There is a work/assignment God gave His loyal servants right from the very day John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth, this work has to do with preaching and teaching about the government of God that's coming to solve all the problems of mankind. Matthew 3:2; 4:17; 10:7
From that very moment whatever a servant of God has be it our time, energy or other possessions should be channeled to supporting this goal. Matthew 6:33
That is exactly what Jesus and his disciples did.
The politicians that came to meet Jesus thought he will only ask him for financial assistance since Jesus and his disciples were like people needing money and according to God's laws such servants of God should be cared for with whatever we have which most people Jesus and his disciples visited did heartily! Luke 10:38-40
So the young politician expected Jesus to ask for such financial support but Jesus told him to get down from his high horse and become one of his disciples which means this man must threw away his political career and affluence then join Jesus' disciples in doing things people look down on as lowlife.
That is what the man finds really difficult to do.
Today the one and only religion practicing this is known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES no matter your worth in this life you must join them in the preaching and teaching work from house to house which most time makes people to look down on us as worthless people.
I remembered a day my wife and i were preaching, my own outfit although of some worth but since i only put on the outfit one may not notice me but my wife's outfit though the same material looks stunning with her jewelries so we knocked on one man's door and when he opened his door he welcomed us as if he knew us before but immediately i introduce the message of God's Kingdom he said:

"Just imagine, they are Jehovah's Witnesses, i thought they are some useful people not knowing they are among those useless people"

So he drove us away from his door.
WHY?
Because we are doing what the seemingly lowlife and jobless followers of Christ did in the Bible!

That is exactly what made the man feel disappointed! Luke 18:23

If this is what you think about Jesus then there's no need arguing with you so Jesus didn't tell all his disciples to sell their belongings. OK!🥱

mindhacker90009:
You are the one arguing blindly!🥱. So your Jesus has one rule for some and another rule for others. Is like you going from house to house in Ogun State telling gullible people to sell all they have and give to the poor, but when you get to Obasanjo's house and other politicians, you tell them they can keep all what he have. Are you not a hypocrite for doing so. Those that turned away from Jesus are very sensible as the God has given the 10 Commandments which has all we need.

bobestman:
Whatever they are sons of God who fell into error. Their fall didn't change who they were - sons of God.....now that's the point here. How God will deal with them doesn't concern us. They are still his children who fell into blindness

Surely we should be concerned because they have no business coming to our domain which is the main reason why God wants to destroy them! Jude 6

mindhacker90009:
If you were the one asking Jesus the same does that means leaving your business for your family, means you've left your belongings to the poor shey?🥱

That's what i'm saying that you don't understand what Jesus meant because none of his disciples sold their belongings to anyone. There were rich disciples of Jesus in the Bible he never told them to go selling their belongings.
Cornelius was a wealthy man the Apostles didn't tell him Jesus said he should sell all his belongings.

I don't know why you're just here arguing blindly!🥱

fattprince:
I really don't want to insult you guys, but I really want to call you guys I don't know. So by surrendering you mean, they are supposed to just leave their land and move to other places because your God commanded it. So why are you blaming the Muslim extremist has the op pointed out before? Because they believe killing people who don't want to be Muslims is what their God which they believe is the true God and creator of all told them to do, which means they are fair in their killing.

May the true God bless you again and again for this thought provoking question!🙂

Back in those days there wasn't anything like boundaries that nations agreed upon and so the only way people claim territories is through war. This means any nation that has the greatest army has the right to choose wherever they want to stay.

So it's by that standard they were all living back then therefore when they heard that a nation is coming to claim their land and all the things the God of that nation has done in the past to Egypt the then world power and other strong nations what do you think they ought to do?

Remember there was nothing like agreement on boundaries o!

Those Muslims aren't coming to take possession of a certain territory otherwise people would have asked them to choose where they want to stay and give it to them for the sake of peace rather they want to force their beliefs on everyone so their own case is not about land as the Israelites were commanded by the Almighty God to take possession of a certain place!🙂

mindhacker90009:
You not understanding the passage is the reason for your blind arguments!

For his disciples to say that they left all they had to follow him just after he told the man to sell all he had, shows the disciples have done something even more as they did not even have the time to sell all they had to follow him, but just left all they had for the poor.

So when you leave your business for your family you've left your belongings to the poor shey?🥱

mindhacker90009:
You are not Jesus and you never met him so you are the one arguing blindly!🥱

So if i've never met Jesus what about you o?🥱

Ọmọ what you assumed is that Jesus commanded his disciples to sell everything they own and i told you such assumption is wrong because the Bible listed the names of his disciples and not one of them sold everything they had yet all the promises he made to them as assurance that they have been approved for being his followers were fulfilled in the Bible.

So claiming Jesus said his disciples should LITERALLY sell everything they had is blind arguments!🥱

I have turned this atheist to one hell of a story teller!😟

Ask straightforward questions so we can enlighten you!🥱

mindhacker90009:
God gave the Israelites the 10 Commandments simple. God never told the Israelites to drink the blood and eat the flesh of a man to come called Jesus.

So when i tell you that you don't understand what Jesus is saying stop arguing blindly!🥱

bobestman:
Only God have the final say about them not you.

We are talking about what God said in His word regarding fallen angels so i'm not putting myself in God's position to judge rather i'm telling you what God said will become of these wicked spirits!

mindhacker90009:
But whether Jesus meant this for real or literarily, still sounds the same so it was wise of the other disciples to walk away.

So it was wise for them to walk away from the wisdom from above shey?🥱

bobestman:
Orishas/gods/angels are all but one thing. All are messengers or sons of God Almighty sent here on a mission.

An angel becomes evil when he delivers a message that's not authorized by the Almighty God.

So orishas/gods/demons are the same they are fallen angels while angels are messengers of God doing only what God sent them to do orishas, gods and demons does whatever pleases them just like Satan!

Atheist wants to preach Bible but refused to figure out why the Bible God built a name that's above the name of all other deities!🥱

Akir2025:
. Well ,There are some that have Repented after Preaching to them about their Ignorance and they truly realized and Accepted it as Wrong
.The Information and news comes first ...Coming to the knowledge of truth follows .Once cannot just Keep quiet without saying anything and you expect people to starts think that what they do is wrong ..The Word , Awareness first .
Thanks

The word REPENT means change from your bad ways but in this case there's nothing seemingly evil in what these people believe after all you believe in doing good just as they also believe so in what way are they to repent?

Neither Jesus nor his disciples use that word for pagans in Bible times because those people don't know what they are doing wrong!🥱

You thought so?
Ọmọ what 90% of his disciples thought is cannibalism!🥱

@John 6:66-69
Did they ask Jesus any question?
If some of them walked away is that a sign all of them understood what he said?🥱

You are changing what he said even his disciples taught Jesus was talking about eating flesh and drinking blood! John 6:65-66

So if you think you now know what he meant back then what about his own disciples who felt he meant what he said literally?🤔

Akir2025:
Just repent and Accept JESUS CHRIST As your Lord and Personal Savior ..Keep away from Evils .Put God's Commandments into Practice then you can Continue your Kind Work

You are correct that all gods and Oracles are demons but where you're making a mistake is talking about REPENTANCE when those involved haven't understood the thing they did wrong!

You can't just walk up to someone and asked him or her to repent when he or she doesn't know what is wrong with his or her worship.

That word REPENT only applies to people who knew that what they are doing is evil nor those who can't figure out what is wrong with their worship!🤔

Read John 6:61-66 and tell me if Jesus meant his disciples should eat his flesh and drink his blood literally!🥱

HacheNoire:
Right thinking person you said?
God conquered people?
A supposed supreme God did all that? Same one that knows the big inning and the end. Why didn’t he create land and put descendants of Jacob there?
He had to commit a genocide to achieve his aims. Are you reading what you composing?

Just ask questions and you will surely get satisfying answers.

Right thinking person you said?
Yes! People who reason deeply not just by reading but studying to know why these things are so!

God conquered people?
Yes! To prove that what they are worshiping aren't God.

A supposed supreme God did all that?
Yes! Because that's the one and only way to prove He is the Creator.

Same one that knows the big inning and the end. Why didn’t he create land and put descendants of Jacob there?
If He created somewhere else how would you have heard that there is a God who is the Almighty?

HacheNoire:
Better be careful! That dude will throw you under the bus like Job.

What standard were people who lived during that time have when it comes to ownership of lands?

Is it by paying for the land or using force to acquire the lands?

Well if you don't understand what happened i will enlighten you.

The one and only true God wants to introduce Himself to all worshipers of demons (fallen angels) that He is the Creator and since the standard humans back then have is using the greatest army to prove their strength God singlehandedly went to Egypt (the world power back then) with two feeble octogenarians namely Moses and Aaron to deliver His people.
Note: without a military force!
Then told them to go and take over the land He promised their ancestors by force from those occupying the place.

Now if you were alive back then as an inhabitant of Canaan what would you have done?
Wait to fight the people whose God conquered Egypt without a military or surrender?
You people don't study the Bible you just take the book and read like newspaper then come to social media thinking you've figured out everything in the Bible.

Ọmọ whoever waits for Israel back then thinking he or she can fight for the land God has given to His worshipers is committing suicide because the standard back then is the strongest army takes the best place.

Rahab of Jericho used her sense and surrender because she said "i know there is nothing your God cannot achieve if He wants to"
The Gibeonites who were the strongest tribe in Canaan didn't think of fighting against the Israelites but surrendered to them.
That is what any right thinking person ought to do!🥱

What is the essence of all these story?
To prove there is no God or that we need to know how we can identify true servants of God?

Well that's what i've been trying to tell you all these while because running to the conclusion that there is no God is the WORSTEST thing ever.
If you want to know how you can identify true servants of God that is better than concluding there is no God.

Meanwhile you are now doing well by going back to your Bible instead of concluding the book makes no practical sense!🥱

Roycemadeit:
WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, “GOD TOLD ME”: MUST YOU BELIEVE THEM?
Religious claims rarely arrive as direct, personal epiphanies from the divine. Almost always, they arrive via an intermediary; a prophet, a leader, a written text, or a modern religious authority who insists: “God said.”
This dynamic creates a immediate epistemological problem:
To accept the message, you must trust the messenger.
The messenger's own claim of authority cannot serve as the evidence for that authority.
When accepting a message requires surrendering your property, your freedom, or your life, blind trust is not merely irresponsible; it can be fatal. The biblical narrative itself documents the severe dangers of failing to test human claims made in God's name.

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1. King Ahaz: Prophetic Warning vs. Political Reality
Reference: Isaiah 7:1–17
Faced with an impending invasion by the allied forces of Aram and Israel, King Ahaz of Judah was approached by the prophet Isaiah. Isaiah offered reassurance, warned that unbelief would lead to destruction (v. 9), and invited Ahaz to ask for a confirming sign from God. Ahaz declined to ask for a sign, after which Isaiah declared the prophecy of Immanuel.
Ahaz did not observe the divine decree himself; he only observed a prophet claiming to deliver it. Ahaz’s refusal to request a sign illustrates a key structural issue: A messenger’s assertion that "God spoke" leaves the recipient entirely responsible for evaluating whether the speaker actually represents God.

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2. The Young Prophet: Fatal Deception by a Peer
Reference: 1 Kings 13:1–32
A young man of God from Judah received a direct command from God: perform his mission in Bethel, eat no bread, drink no water, and return by a different route. The young prophet obeyed; until an older, respected prophet intercepted him.
The older prophet claimed:
“I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee...” (1 Kings 13:18)
The text explicitly notes: “But he lied unto him.”
The young prophet believed the claim, altered his course, ate at the older prophet's home, and was subsequently killed by a lion on his journey back.
The older man was a recognized prophet, yet he lied.
Supernatural claims prove nothing: Claiming an "angel spoke" did not make the instruction divine.
The victim pays the price: The young prophet suffered the fatal consequences of acting on a false, unverified claim made in God's name.

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There are many rich people that became Jesus' disciples in the first century for example Zacchaeus, Nicodemus, Joseph Arimathea and many more who weren't mentioned by name like the disciple whose donkey Jesus used to enter Jerusalem.
Jesus never asked these people to sell everything they had.
So all you need to do is ask what he meant by that statement but since you feel you have figured it out it's OK at least i've mentioned few of his wealthy disciples that Jesus never asked them to sell all their belongings!🥱

No!
Jesus never said that to anyone else because he wasn't talking about literal selling.

Their families are managing what they had unlike selling it to share for strangers!

Peter said they LEFT everything not SELL everything!🙂

Why didn't Jesus say the same to his twelve apostles?

When you refuse to study God's word with the true Christians this is the result!🥱

Roycemadeit:
Imagine you were born into a Hivite family:
* You never read the Hebrew Scriptures.

* You never heard of Moses, Abraham, or Yahweh.

* You grew up speaking your native language, working your ancestral land, and building a life within your community.[/color]

Suddenly, an armed population arrives, asserting that their deity, whom you have never heard of; gave them your home, and that you must either submit, flee, or be killed.

Your self deceit is great!

Rahab of Jericho said to Israelite spies:

We heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea before you when you left Egypt and what you did to the two kings of the Amʹor·ites, Siʹhon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction on the other side of the Jordan. When we heard about it, we lost heart, and no one has any courage because of you, for Jehovah your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Joshua 2:10-11

Gibeonites said:

“We have come from a distant land. Now make a covenant with us.” Joshua 9:6

So if anyone said the inhabitants of Canaan haven't heard about Jehovah the one and only true God it's a lie!🙂

This guy just love deceiving himself!🥱

According to the standard humans in ancient times set for themselves the strongest army owns everything but when God now come with His worshipers this people decided to trash the standard they've been living with for ages.

Ọmọ if i am at the receiving end i will use my brain o, when i know that we have the strongest army and that is what makes us rulers over other people then an army stronger than ours emerges the best thing to do is SURRENDER!🙂

Roycemadeit:
What did these events look like to the people already living in the land?

You should look at the story from all sides!

Before then people throughout the world has been worshiping demons (fallen angels) and that means Paradise which God has promised from the beginning will never be achieved.

So to begin with the true God is to be known as the Creator that is His intention not just about the land of Canaan.

People in different places have been fighting and invading one another over lands and natural resources so it's not new to anyone living back then and going by what was obtainable then whoever has the strongest army owns wherever he or she chooses.

So when God allowed Israelites to be enslaved in Egypt the then world power His intention is to use Egypt as a scapegoat and warning for all other nations throughout the inhabited earth.

When He finally rescued His own worshipers from Egypt without a military force any right thinking person back then supposed to surrender just as the custom is back then which is survival of the fittest. That is what Rahab of Jericho and the Gibeonites did.

Note that the Gibeonites later became Israelites living with God's people and worshiping the same God and of course they were spared while others who refused to live by the same standard all of them knew back then were punished.

Lesson learned!

Before you know any God whatever standard you agree to live with is not a sin from God's standpoint but you will become a criminal when you now choose to go against the same standard that you've been using for ages!

So for the inhabitants of Canaan to resist the Israelites when they all believe the strongest nation should take the best place makes them deserving of death!🥱

Roycemadeit:
You said, “Why wait until a snake bites?” Exactly. Why punish a human child for something the child has not done? A child is not a snake acting purely on instinct. Human behavior is shaped by upbringing, culture, education, and society. So why judge a child for a future they have not yet chosen?

Exactly my point!

Since they've been prevented from being shaped just as the snake purely act on instinct they will surely grow up to become the same as their parents.

That is why this God commanded the Israelites to make sure that their children are taught His laws from infancy {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} that makes such children different from those born elsewhere but then if such children now choose to do things that's against what they have learned then they deserve death whereas those who don't know such rules can continue existing wherever they are as long as they don't have issues with the true God or His worshipers! 🙂