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PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
When you raise John 5:23 and ask, *"Have you been honoring Jesus JUST AS you honor God?"*, you completely strip away all their practiced debate scripts. The Greek word used there is *kathōs*, which literally means "in the exact same manner and to the exact same degree."

So that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. John 5:23

Funny liar!😂

Which religious group honors Jesus in this world better than Jehovah's Witnesses?

You keep deceiving yourself with your friends, Jesus was visibly with the Jews in the first century that's why they need to honor him because he came in the name of Jehovah his father.
Today Jesus is no longer visibly present but he has spiritual brothers who are representing him on this planet today.

Regarding this Jesus said:

‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Matthew 25:40

So if you people don't honor Jesus' brothers in what way are you honoring Jesus or his father?

He said:

“Whoever receives you receives me also, and whoever receives me receives also the One who sent me." Matthew 10:40

The question you should be worried about is:

Who are Christ's brothers today?

If you don't know them who are in your neighborhood how can you honor them?

And if you don't honor them how can you honor Jesus whose representative they are?🙂

FxMasterz:
If Jesus was talking about perfection, is a lying organization perfect? Lol.
Do you have the Spirit of God in you? Your lying organization does not even believe in the indwelling Presence of the Holy Spirit, let alone the Baptism.

The same way Jews used dogmas to disqualify Jesus and his disciples nah!🙂

To the Jews Jesus and his disciples were liars but there is no better performing group to present just as you don't have any to mention now!🙂

FxMasterz:
It's not a matter of a gathering dear.
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:9.
No matter how good you may think your character is, if the Spirit of Christ is not dwelling in you, forget it. You're none of His.

So the same applies to you!

Now what was the evidence Jesus gave as future signs that will help his disciples know that they truly belong to him?

Mind you the first is they must be one as a united family {Mark 10:28-30} they must form a group {Matthew 18:20} they must have love among themselves as one group {John 13:34-35} Jesus himself presented his fellow believers as his spiritual family! Matthew 12:46-50

Was Jesus talking about perfection when he pointed to those having the same line of thought with him?

NO!

So if you can't present any group as your fellow worshipers you are not in that same man called Christ Jesus!🙂

brownwindow:
That shows to you that the Bible has been corrupted for it to have contradictions in it!
Is it a Word of God or a Word of Man? And a new question for you, where in the Bible were your guys told to worship on Sunday or go to Church on Sunday?

Have you read a book written by Woke Soyinka before?

Now think of what will happen if the man wrote the book in his own mother tongue then people claiming scholars from different countries wants to scam their neighbors using the book.

Will you conclude that the book is of no use?

Note that different interpreters will use the same book in different ways which will make it's interpretation contradictory!🙂

Kobojunkie:
The fact that all religions are scams according to Israelite texts.

Where are the texts?

ayoncox:
Which aspects do you want to know about because there are many that points to that.

There is no single verse in the Bible that Jesus said anything like that.

This is what he said with his own mouth:


“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one. Mark 12:29 compare to‭Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV‬

Kobojunkie:
I don't subscribe to any religion(all religions are scams). I can only tell you what is directly stated in the books.

All currencies are fake , i can only tell you the names of countries where it is spent!😂

AntiChristian:
Where in the Bible was it derived that the persons of God are Co-equal and Co-eternal?

Hear, O Israel (YHWH) our God, (YHWH) is one. Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV‬


So where did you get PERSONS of God?😟

Truthseeker10:
Ok oo🤣 even him chatgpt no go see am.

Oooh do you want him to disappear?😟

Truthseeker10:
The guy is a funny human being. He is just giving himself headache. He wants to force "Jesus is a creator" into our head even though the bible does not do so.

Nooooooooo!

Please don't conclude yet, there may be a verse in the Bible that EXPLICITLY STATES that Jesus is the CREATOR!

So let's give him a benefit of doubt!🤔

Explore2xmore:
Heaven. Surah 54:54-55 and Sahih Al-Bukhari on Al-Firdaus both confirm it explicitly. The Quran says heaven. Your Bible says earth. Revelation 21-22 still awaits your response.

This is what is found written in your Quran and heaven wasn't EXPLICITLY STATED
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:
اِنَّ الْمُتَّقِيْنَ فِيْ جَنّٰتٍ وَّنَهَرٍ
"Indeed, the righteous will be among gardens and rivers,"
فِيْ مَقْعَدِ صِدْقٍ عِنْدَ مَلِيْكٍ مُّقْتَدِرٍ
"In a seat of honor near a Sovereign, Perfect in Ability"
(QS. Al-Qamar 54: Verse 54-55)

Of course i won't take any other Muslim seriously but you so don't think i will bring in any contrary opinion from other Muslims. Let's use your own interpretation!🙂

Now if your Allah created Adam and Eve on planet earth what led to taking Adam's descendants to heaven?

Did your Allah missed his purpose or humans changed his mind on where they should live forever?🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
The Bible explicitly states that while Moses was merely a created servant *inside* the house, Jesus is the Creator and Owner *of* the house.

Please quote where the Bible EXPLICITLY STATES that Jesus is the CREATOR!🙂

Explore2xmore:
The Quran has already answered that question. Surah 54:54–55 places the righteous in a seat of truth near the Sovereign, and authentic hadith places Al-Firdaus beneath the Throne of Allah. The answer is clear: Paradise is an afterlife, heavenly reward.
So on the location of Paradise between heaven and earth, the Islamic sources already provide a direct answer. The discussion is not unresolved on that point. The texts themselves place the final reward of the righteous with Allah in the Hereafter.

I don't want all this story just go straight to the point and quote it from your Quran.

Explore2xmore:
The Quran then consistently describes Paradise (Jannah) as a reward after resurrection and judgment, not the present earth. So the pattern is: earthly creation → temporary Garden → earthly life → final Paradise in the afterlife.

Where exactly did your Allah say the righteous will live forever?

Heaven or Earth?😂

Thanks for the epistle!

Did Jesus admit that he is a worshiper of God?
YES! John 20:17
Did the scriptures compare Moses to Jesus?
YES! Deuteronomy 18:18-19
Did the apostles believe that Jesus is the prophet coming in the manner of Moses?
YES! Act 3:22

So try using the scriptures to interpret scriptures not the tradition of men!🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Your attempt to hide behind corrupted grammar and selective proof-texting is a blatant sign of desperation. Now that you have been cornered on Colossians, you are trying to jump to Proverbs and rewrite John 1:1 using the infamous, grammatically fraudulent "a god" insertion. Let the Scripture expose your deception and answer your questions directly.

You claim John 1:1 should read "a god," comparing Jesus to Moses in Exodus 7:1. This is a desperate and dishonest manipulation of the text. In Exodus 7:1, God tells Moses, *"I have made you like God to Pharaoh."* Moses was a human representative acting with God's authority to an earthly king. But John 1:1 is not talking about a human representative; it is talking about the eternal nature of the Word *before* the universe existed. The original Greek text of John 1:1 ends with *theos ēn ho logos* (literally: "God was the Word". Adding the indefinite article "a" to make it "a god" is a grammatical error invented solely to strip Jesus of His divinity. If Jesus is merely "a god," you are teaching polytheism—the existence of a big God and a lesser, minor god. The Scripture strictly condemns this. Isaiah 43:10 explicitly states: *"Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."* If Jesus is "a god," He is a false god according to Isaiah. But John 1:1 says He is the true God, co-eternal with the Father.

You demand a verse where Jesus explicitly says the words "I am the Creator." This is a classic, dishonest debate tactic. Jesus didn't need to use your exact modern phrasing because He claimed the absolute identity and actions of the Creator throughout His ministry. In the Old Testament, who is the Shepherd? Yahweh (Psalm 23:1). In John 10:11, Jesus says, *"I am the good shepherd."* In the Old Testament, who is the First and the Last? Yahweh (Isaiah 44:6). In Revelation 22:13, Jesus says, *"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."* More importantly, Jesus explicitly claimed the ultimate creative authority over life and judgment. In John 5:21, He states: *"For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, **even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it**."* Only the Creator has the power to sovereignly give life to whomever He chooses. Furthermore, in John 10:18, Jesus claimed the power to resurrect Himself: *"I have authority to lay it down and **authority to take it up again**."* A mere creature cannot raise itself from the dead.

You point to Proverbs 30:4 and triumphantly ask, *"Who is the Creator? Is it the son or his father?"* You think this verse separates the Father as the Creator and the Son as a bystander. In reality, this verse completely undermines your entire argument. Proverbs 30:4 asks a series of rhetorical questions about the infinite, unsearchable nature of the Almighty: *"Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!"* In the Old Testament, the name of the Son was a hidden, divine mystery. But the New Testament pulls back the curtain and reveals exactly how the Father and the Son operated in creation. The Scripture does not say the Father created *instead* of the Son; it says the Father created *through* the Son. Look at Hebrews 1:2: *"But in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and **through whom also he made the universe**."* The Father is the source of creation, and the Son is the agent of creation. They are unified in the work of creation. This is why Genesis 1:26 uses plural pronouns: *"Let **us** make man in **our** image, in **our** likeness."*

Your doctrine forces you to twist Greek grammar in John 1:1, ignore the word "for" in Colossians 1:16, and pretend that the Son has no part in creation despite Hebrews 1:2 stating the exact opposite. Jesus submitted to the Father while on earth because He genuinely took on the form of a servant to die for our sins. But his temporary submission in the flesh does not erase His eternal identity as the Creator. You can continue to chop up verses and insert words that are not in the original text, but you cannot change the unified testimony of the Scriptures: Jesus Christ is Lord, God, and the Creator of all things.

The Bible God never promised anyone heavenly life what He said consistently is a resurrection which will happen on planet earth {John 5:28-29; Act 24:15} and those resurrected will live forever in Paradise on earth if they pass the final test. Psalms 37:9-11,29

Regarding this servants of God always hope to be called back to life on planet earth! Job 14:13-15

It's because the Jews polluted the place where God wanted to use as government house which is Jerusalem {Isaiah 9:7} by killing servants of God and spilling their blood there {Matthew 23:37-38} that Jesus made a promise to his corulers saying he will go and prepare another place for them to stay and rule with him. John 14:1-3

So only Jesus talked about heavenly reward and it's only for his future corulers who are limited in number that is why he needs to go and PREPARE because there was no such arrangement in heaven for that before then!

Please answer those questions by quoting your own Quran with full explanation as i did!🙂

I said LEAVE THE BIBLE OUT OF THIS FOR NOW SINCE YOU WANT IT TO BE WRITTEN EXPLICITLY.

So answer directly:

Where did your Allah said the righteous will be HEAVEN or EARTH?

Quote it out in your Quran!🙂

Explore2xmore:
The Quran describes Paradise as the post-resurrection reward for the righteous, not the present earth as seen in "Gardens beneath which rivers flow…” (Quran 3:133)
“The righteous will be in a seat of truth near a Sovereign, Perfect in Ability.” (Quran 54:54–55) And in authentic hadith (e.g., Sahih al-Bukhari), Al-Firdaus is the highest level of Paradise under the Throne of Allah. So the consistent Quranic framework is afterlife reward with Allah, not earthly residence.
All this still doesn’t answer the original question being discussed.
Revelation 21–22 describes God dwelling with humanity on earth in the final state. The issue remains unchanged about where does the Bible explicitly teach two permanent classes of saved people with two permanent eternal destinations?

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
The Bible teaches that Jesus has a **dual nature**: He is fully man, but He is also fully God (the Creator).

I have quoted Jesus telling everyone that he is a worshiper of God please quote where Jesus said he is the Creator.

John 1:1 was erroneously interpreted Moses was also referred to as God at Exodus 7:1 so the correct rendering of John 1:1 reads:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

That is why Jesus was submissive and always speak as one under the authority of another person who is higher than him.

Regarding this the scriptures say:


Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know! ‭Proverbs 30:4 NIV‬


In the above scripture who is the CREATOR?

Is it the son or his father?🙂

When i said your Quran is useless and worthless it may seem as if i'm speaking against your book. Can you now see that your own Quran can't answer any question regarding the destination of the righteous?

Please state where the righteous will inherit using your Quran. Is it heaven or earth?🙂

I said answer with that your own book (Quran) not quoting the Bible and later questioning the book that made things clear for you.

Oya quote where your Quran explicitly say where the righteous will inherit nah!

Explore2xmore:
Psalm 37:29 actually sharpens the question, not answer it. Yes, the righteous inherit the earth forever. Agreed. But if Psalm 37:29 says the righteous dwell on earth forever, Revelation 21–22 shows God dwelling with humanity on earth, and John 10:16 ends with one flock under one shepherd, then where is the passage that explicitly divides the saved into two permanent classes; one in heaven and one on earth?
Quoting Psalm 37:29 supports an everlasting future on earth. It does not, by itself, establish a separate eternal class living elsewhere. That's still the missing step in the argument.

Explore2xmore:
That question cuts both ways. If the standard is an explicit statement, then the burden is not only on me to show where the Quran places Paradise,

Guy the Bible EXPLICITLY say the righteous will inherit the earth and live forever on it! Psalms 37:29

So why is your own Quran confusing all of you so that you can't speak convincingly regarding where righteous people will be permanently?

But here you are questioning the Bible where everything is stated clearly!😂

You can continue deceiving yourself nobody knows you here to confirm if you are a liar in your house or community that is why your church matters most because your church speaks better regarding who you truly are.

In the first century a person may have some questionable characters but once he belongs to the group known as "CHRISTIANS" they will start watching if he is joining the group in their practices and of course they all know that if he continues with that group he will become better a person there scriptures say:

Happy is the man who does not walk according to the advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners And does not sit in the seat of scoffers Psalms 1:1

But when you refuse to mention the group name of your religion and start hiding under anonymous religionists claiming Christians today there is no way people can evaluate you.

Yesterday i was talking with an immigration officer who treated me the same way he did to all those entering his office but when one of his fellow officers greeted me in his presence and told him i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses the man felt he has not treated me well.

WHY?

Am i not just a Nigerian like the rest?

It's because of the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in fact he was ready to go extra mile in assisting me further.

So if you come telling us stories about your personality you are just bluffing until you mention the name of the group with which you associate as worshipers!🙂

FxMasterz:
My dear, this is what I said:
Why cut off my words to feed yourself with half truths as you do the Bible? You do not have any quality of a Christian in your gathering. Christianity is not by gathering. If the Spirit of Christ is not in you, you are none of His!
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
All these your talks about a fleshly gathering where lies reign and the Spirit of God is absence is just pure blindness.

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Some conclude from Revelation 3:14 that Jesus is a created being.
Others conclude from Colossians 1:16 that Jesus is Creator.
Whether those conclusions are correct is a separate debate.

This is where Jesus' own statements comes in because he confirmed that himself and his fellow believers have the same God and father {John 20:17} he even begged his God with tears to save him from death {Hebrews 5:7} also at the point of death Jesus gave up his life and said his spirit is in the hands of God {Luke 23:46} and his disciples said God raised him from the dead! Act 5:30

All these supports the fact that Jesus is also a creature not the creator!

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

وَبَشِّرِ الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا وَ عَمِلُوا الصّٰلِحٰتِ اَنَّ لَهُمْ جَنّٰتٍ تَجْرِيْ مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْاَ نْهٰرُ ۗ كُلَّمَا رُزِقُوْا مِنْهَا مِنْ ثَمَرَةٍ رِّزْقًا ۙ قَا لُوْا هٰذَا الَّذِيْ رُزِقْنَا مِنْ قَبْلُ وَاُ تُوْا بِهٖ مُتَشَا بِهًا ۗ وَلَهُمْ فِيْهَاۤ اَزْوَا جٌ مُّطَهَّرَةٌ ۙ وَّهُمْ فِيْهَا خٰلِدُوْنَ
"And give good tidings to those who believe and do righteous deeds that they will have gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow. Whenever they are provided with a provision of fruit therefrom, they will say, "This is what we were provided with before." And it is given to them in likeness. And they will have therein purified spouses, and they will abide therein eternally."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 25)

* Via Qur'an English https://quranapp.id/en

Where will the Paradise garden be?

Please show me where the Quran EXPLICITLY say it will be another earth but not this planet earth because what most Muslim say is that they are going to heaven!🙂

Explore2xmore:
Quran 15:26
Quran 2:35,
Quran 2:38).
Quran 2:25:
Quran 4:57

Where will the Paradise be heaven or earth?🙂

I'm waiting for any so called Muslim to please use your Allah's Quran to answer these two questions EXPLICITLY!😂

There is no Muslim with all their imams not even all your scholars in Islam can answer this questions using your Quran:

Where did your Allah create Adam and Eve in the beginning heaven or earth?

Where will the Paradise your Allah said righteous people will be heaven or earth?🙂

Explore2xmore:
Adam and Eve were created on earth.

Please quote it from your Quran.

Explore2xmore:
Scripture describes the final state of God's people. Revelation 21–22 presents that final vision as God dwelling with humanity on earth.

Now in your Quran where will the Paradise your Allah promised it's worshipers be?
Heaven or earth?🙂

FxMasterz:
I'm a Christian.

This is where you failed woefully!

The ORGANIZED PEOPLE unitedly doing the will of God as followers of Jesus are the ones called "CHRISTIANS" not someone who can't be seen.

So pick your lamba if you don't belong to any known group anyone can just make the same claim as in all the many different religions claiming Christians surely have individuals making the same claim joo!😂

FxMasterz:
So, you cut off what I said about the Pharisees and used my Jews response as response regarding the Pharisees? It's the same type of lies and falsehoods that your organization is known for. You're just hearing the fruits of your organization.

So what is the fruit of your own religion?

Let's compare to know which is really the truth?

Of course your religion remains ANONYMOUS!😂

FxMasterz:
No! That's another lie.
The Jews didn't search the Scriptures. They only concluded.

Are you saying the Pharisees who taught apostle Paul the scriptures don't search the scriptures?😂

Ọmọ they surely searched the scriptures the only problem is they don't want to subject themselves under Jesus' followers because they can see their mistakes just as everyone today can see the mistakes of Jehovah's Witnesses but where both you and the Pharisees failed woefully is you can't find a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

That is what sincere researchers who are searching scriptures are interested in! John 6:68-69

Explore2xmore:
Bible nor the Quran teaches that way.

Do you compare God's word (Bible) with that your useless and worthless book?

Oya answer just few questions using that your book!

Where did God create Adam and Eve?

Heaven or Earth?

Let's see if that your useless Quran is able to answer any question at all!😂

FxMasterz:
No. We can make mistakes, but we do not tell lies. Your organization actually lies. What's better performing in an organization united in lies?

The same way Jews concluded that the apostles are LIARS!🙂

Explore2xmore:
Everyone knows rulers and subjects can belong to the same government without living in the same place.

Exactly!
So both those rulers going to heaven who will rule over earth and their subjects on planet earth belongs to the same kingdom (government) of God but they are not going to live in the same place!🙂