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Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:33pm On Jun 02

FxMasterz:
Leaders are not perfect. True. But that does not mean leaders should be liars. It also does not mean leaders must inject their own imaginations into the Word of God.

Just as the apostles lied to their followers that Jesus will return before the death of apostle John {John 21:23} and as they lied that God's Kingdom is near since 2,000 years ago shey? Matthew 10:7

Ọmọ you can never ever find a better performing group than JWs whose leaders have successfully formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the world! Isaiah 2:2-4

Even if you were alive in the first century what the Jews did to Jesus and his apostles is what you will do because you will continue demanding perfection while you keep on looking for their mistakes which you will surely see!😂

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:26pm On Jun 02

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i see, so what is true Christianity supposed to achieve among those discussing with each other about the righteousness of God?

God's will from the beginning is found in this statement:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

After Satan introduced greed by telling the first couple that they can become Gods on their own {Genesis 3:5} most humans followed that idea and the first human king called Nimrod was used by Satan to make all the people stay in one geographic location {Genesis 11:4} so they won't fulfill God's purpose for the earth so God sent angels to confuse their language {Genesis 11:6-7} that is what led to their scattering all over the earth {Genesis 11:8-9} but Satan succeeded in making people fight for territories. Genesis 14:1-10

God promised to unite faithful people throughout the earth and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and He promised to make them speak the same language of peace {Zephaniah 3:9} under one King who is Christ Jesus the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6-7

So Christianity is to gather faithful people throughout the earth by calling one another and discussing about the things leading to fighting and killing among ourselves which is racism and politics that is what Jesus taught his disciples never to think of revenge because that is what Satan is using to promote hatred among people! Matthew 5:43-48; 18:22

Satan hates to see this work because so he tried to stop Jesus by offering him all the kingdoms of the world {Luke 4:5-7} Satan knew that Jesus can't succeed among disobedient humans and Jesus himself knew that it's only when he's surrounded by people who see him as Lord and King that what he wants to do could be achieved and the only way to achieve that is by sticking to his God and father with whom all things are possible! Matthew 19:26

So Jesus successfully established the Christian faith and gradually they started following him. Peter later asked Jesus what true Christians will gain for following Jesus {Matthew 19:27} Jesus promised them that as his closest confidants they will rule with him but as for Christians we will have countless family members. Matthew 19:28-29

Today that is God's will for people throughout the world to become one spiritual family but then Satan the ruler of darkness {John 14:30} has kept billions in the dark {2Corinthians 4:4} making them to feel they are fighting for their right whereas they are just killing one another for nothing {Revelation 6:3-4} by the time Jesus comes to start his government anyone that refuses to surrender to Jesus' rulership will be exterminated! Luke 19:27

So Christianity was established to gather obedient, faithful and loyal individuals as if we are ONE family! John 13 :34-35; 17:22

This is what no fake religion can achieve!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:59pm On Jun 02

FxMasterz:
Another mental gymnastics. Always thinking your thoughts are the standards for biblical interpretation.
As for US, WE will never infer anything other than what we are able to see or read in Scripture.

Which church do this your US and WE belong to?😂

Ọmọ the truth is there has never ever been a time under this planet when the servants of God leading His worshipers were perfect, they always commit one blunder or another which faithless people like you will hold onto so as not to participate in whatever God is using His servants to do.
Today you are claiming Christian but under what church?
You want to follow perfect spiritual leaders something that has to never existed before.
So stop deceiving yourself claiming WE or US because you are alone there is no servant of God that you follow as spiritual leaders something Jesus taught and established among his own disciples!😂

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Yeshua Actually Teach The Hell Most People Believe In Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:08pm On Jun 02

If Jesus actually meant weeping and gnashing of teeth literally surely you will find at least one example of his first century disciples preaching it but since none ever mentioned such a thing despite having so many examples of how they preached i believe there is more to what Jesus said in those verses than you think!🙂

HeatSeeker:
I have already explained what I believe
It is you that is trying to box me into your preset format that ends with your ideas being validated.
Jesus alluded to hell even if your state of consciousness does not agree with it. You cannot cherry pick and promote biblical interpretations that suits your fancy. Truth is not always as we like it to be
You might need to raise your vibrations. We all need to increase our spiritual IQ

Christianity Etc › Re: A Pastor Caught Pant Down With A Girl Who Came For Counseling by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:04pm On Jun 02

AntiChristian:
Are you justifying the mob action?
What is clear is they are both consenting adults! Why are they being harrassed?

The problem with most people is they don't know the rule of law religion has blinded them completely.
In a civilized society all of them will be charged to court for disrupting the peace of two consenting adults!
God is the only one who can judge such matters since the law of the society in which we live doesn't criminalize sexual pleasures between two consenting adults!😟

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Yeshua Actually Teach The Hell Most People Believe In Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:45pm On Jun 02

HeatSeeker:
I don't need to explain anything. The message is pretty clear even to the blind. You can reject the idea of eternal damnation, but you cannot wholly deny the existence of Hell.

If you can't explain what you believe how are you sure you got the right message?
Jesus commanded his disciples to go out preaching and teaching {Matthew 28:18-20} but there is no single verse in the Bible where his disciples preach Hellfire, weeping or gnashing of teeth which means the message totally differs from what most people assume today.
But since you said you can't explain then there is no need disturbing you.
Do have a lovely day!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Yeshua Actually Teach The Hell Most People Believe In Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:29pm On Jun 02

HeatSeeker:
As I have said before. Christ has alluded to a place of torment for those who don't obey. What do you think being thrown into darkness to weep and gnash your teeth means?! It certainly does not mean to die. It certainly does not mean to have a picnic or a cup of tea with the king of England. It means you are going to suffer in torment for your persistent wrong actions.
Hell is real, to deny its existence is folly

So can you explain what each person in those verses did as evil or persistent wrong actions?🤔

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Yeshua Actually Teach The Hell Most People Believe In Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:17pm On Jun 02

HeatSeeker:
Jeremiah 7:31 is speaking about idol worship. It has nothing to do with the existence of Hell.
Jesus repeatedly spoke of a place where individuals are cast into to experience weeping and gnashing of teeth. It is a place of torment. It is basically hell as we understand it to mean today. Mathew 8:12 22:13, 24:51, and 25:30
Jesus alluded to hell in his teaching multiple times.

Let's read those verses together:

Matthew 8:10-12
When Jesus heard that, he was amazed and said to those following him: “I tell you the truth, with no one in Israel have I found so great a faith. But I tell you that many from east and west will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of the heavens; whereas the sons of the Kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”

Matthew 22:11-13
“When the king came in to inspect the guests, he caught sight of a man not wearing a marriage garment. So he said to him, ‘Fellow, how did you get in here without a marriage garment?’ He was speechless. Then the king said to his servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and throw him into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’
Matthew 24:48-51
“But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.

Matthew 25:28-30
“‘Therefore, take the talent away from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’

Do you notice that all these scriptures aren't literal but illustration?

The only part you keep thinking about is "weeping and gnashing of teeth"

So if you want to use Jesus' word to preach and convince someone about the love of Christ please what exactly can you say about these verses apart from the weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Remember that each has its own context which differs totally and if you read carefully in some parts you can't say exactly what evil thing the person did. So how are they all connected to weeping and gnashing of teeth?🤔

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Yeshua Actually Teach The Hell Most People Believe In Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:26pm On Jun 02

HeatSeeker:
The issue is the concept and not what the word literally means.

Good!
This means to know the concept we are to go back to what God said in the beginning regarding judgement about sin.
God told Adam that the result sin will bring is death! Genesis 2:17 compare to Romans 6:23
And regarding tormenting living creatures in fire God said such a thing never come into His heart! Jeremiah 7:31
So when Jesus talked about Sheol he never meant a place where people will be tormented he spoke in PARABLES! Matthew 13:13

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:20pm On Jun 02

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Thank you. So anyone who fears the Lord and talks to others that fear the Lord have their names written in the book of life.

NO!
Only Jesus who is God's only begotten Son knows how we can do this rightly that is why he told his disciples saying:
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“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23 NIV‬

There is something to be achieved with this mouth to mouth discussion so Jesus will acknowledge only those achieving it as his friends.
So if a religious group is not doing it the way Jesus established they can't produce the FRUIT expected of those who are doing it correctly. Matthew 7:16-18
Many individuals will become popular and great using Jesus name and many will follow them {Matthew 24:11} thinking they are doing what Jesus requested but then they will not produce the FRUIT expected of true believers in Christ!
So to be on a safer side we need to know what true Christianity supposed to achieve among those discussing with each other about the righteousness of God! Malachi 3:16

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Yeshua Actually Teach The Hell Most People Believe In Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:51pm On Jun 02

Many people had had dreams about a place of torment but what the Hebrew word translated HELL means is GRAVE!🙂

HeatSeeker:
There used to be a time I didn't believe in the existence of Hell.

It was not until I learnt to separate the concept of eternal damnation from the reality of an actual plane of existence where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth that I finally understood.

Whether Christ explicitly taught it or not is irrelevant. There is a Hell and you will end up there if you choose to be overbalanced on the negative end of the spectrum.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:20pm On Jun 02

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Thanks, what did the Bible say about how names are written in the book of life? Kindly quote the specific verse.

Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. ‭Malachi 3:16 NIV‬

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:02pm On Jun 02

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YES

Good!
Only believers in Christ Jesus can have everlasting life but then how are they going to believe without someone to preach to them?
And apart from preaching there should be thorough explanation which means anyone who heard the Good News {Matthew 24:14} that Jesus commanded us to preach needs to spare their time to study the Bible with the preachers. Matthew 28:19-20

Whoever feels too big or busy to listen and learn from true Christians cannot know how Jesus will judge unbelievers and for what should unbelievers be judged that is why Jesus said whoever refuses to believe in his teachings has been judged already. John 3:16-18

Before Jesus' arrival God sent prophet Malachi to warn the Jews that during the end time people globally will start paying attention to discussions having to do with God's name and His righteous judgement noteworthy is the works angels will be doing at that time:

Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. ‭Malachi 3:16 NIV‬

That is why Jesus said whoever refuses to welcome his disciples it will be hard for such individuals in the day of judgement because their names can't be found in that book which angels in heaven were writing in remembrance of those who showed interest in God's judgement. Matthew 10:14-15

Of course some whose names has been written before may stop doing what Jesus commanded then such a person's name will be removed from the book of life but as many as those humbly learning from Jesus' true disciples, asking for how they can apply the teachings and fighting really hard to keep doing it will have their names written permanently in the book of life!

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:38pm On Jun 02

FxMasterz:
If John understood what Jesus said.

Who told John to write his own gospel account so that he has to mention what Jesus has said some six decades before?
Ọmọ they were all confused but God's holy spirit touched John after writing his own gospel account @ 96 c.e to correct the wrong notion in the year 98 c.e.🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye Protested Feb 2, 2020 As Directed By CAN by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:00am On Jun 02

Should followers of Christ be protesting against the authorities?

Please what happened to PRAYERS?🤔

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:55am On Jun 02

FxMasterz:
It was in the audience of the 11. They were all conversing together. The Bible says "the brothers." The Bible didn't says Peter.

This is funnier than ever!😂

So any of the Apostles could be the one who spread it shey?

You are getting closer at least you now agree that not all the apostles perfectly understood what Jesus was saying!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Kidnapping, The Church, Matrix, N Bloggers . How They All Connect by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:48am On Jun 02

I don't know if you believe in Jesus but this is what he said concerning the issue on ground:

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Matthew 24:36-39
Now the highlighted in red is what you need to ponder over!

How can evil things be happening and the majority won't take it seriously? 🤔

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:03am On Jun 02

What Jesus told Peter went viral!🙂

FxMasterz:
All those are your own mental gymnastics. The Bible didn't say Jesus told Peter and he then told others what he thought. It seems you were there when it all happened.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Yeshua Actually Teach The Hell Most People Believe In Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:20am On Jun 02

NO!
More characters needed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:11am On Jun 02*

Obviously you aren't getting the message because of what your religion taught you.

Read this again for clarification:

Neither God nor Jesus said only Jews will have everlasting life o!

The redeemer from God (Christ) will be born among a race {Isaiah 9:6} and that race are those who have known all the things associated with the Christ and his origin that is what brings the Jews into the picture {John 4:22} whereas they are not the only descendants of Jacob but they knew all the prophets from Moses until John the baptist while Samaritans on the other hand only accepted Moses as the prophet of God that is why the Christ will use Jews as his disciples to reach out to other nations. Zechariah 8:23

What will be their benefit for being his disciples?

God will only choose among them those to rule with Christ! Matthew 19:27-30

But the Jewish nation declined God's offer {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why the selection of Christ's corulers was extended to other nations {Matthew 21:43} so that individuals from different nations throughout the world could become part of corulers with the Christ! Matthew 8:11

This is the arrangement Jesus stick to that is why he first told them to go and call only Jews as his disciples! Matthew 10:6

Explore2xmore:
Zechariah 8:23 describes nations approaching God through Jewish mediation but it's a framework Acts 10 dismantles. Cornelius was accepted by God before Peter arrived (Acts 10:34–35). Matthew 10:6 was temporary and later superseded by Matthew 28:19. Quoting the restriction without the commission to all nations is incomplete.
John 1:11–12 makes faith, not ethnicity, the basis of belonging, while Matthew 22 concerns response to invitation, not permanent ethnic privilege. Hope this hasn't been your life view. The trajectory of these passages moves from exclusivity to universal access, not the reverse.

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:34am On Jun 02

FxMasterz:
Yeah. The Bible never said Peter did. So stop the speculation.

Jesus spoke to Peter who told others what he thought Jesus meant and John later corrected the wrong notion six decades after.
The same thing happened among them after 42 months that Jesus has been teaching them about God's Kingdom they still felt the Kingdom will come in the first century:
“Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” Act 1:6
People living back then would easily conclude that Christians were deluded as they believed Jesus will return in the first century only for them to hear that John has changed that belief in his own story.
That is exactly what happened they weren't perfect in their understanding Paul confirmed it:
For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 1Corinthans 13:9-10
Whatever they thought back then wasn't perfect until the whole message was completed that's exactly what John did with his own gospel account.
So stop deceiving yourself!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:33pm On Jun 01

You look at humans like you ask if they are perfect but in reality they are not so Peter definitely misconstrued what he heard from Jesus by telling others just as he did by rejecting his Christian brothers because they weren't Jewish by birth.
Is that the same person you thought can't say what he didn't really understand?🙂

FxMasterz:
We don't use 'Perhaps' or 'Omo na Peter talk am' speculative thinking to interpret the Word of God. The problem with you JWs is that you speculate a lot, and your speculations most times are absolutely illogical.
For example, if it was Peter who spread it, then definitely, John would have said it was Peter. Now, John explicitly said it was the brothers but you're here replacing the 'the brothers' with 'Peter' because you want to prove a point.
Just look at Peter's life from that John 21 onwards. Where would he have the time to be spreading rumours? Someone who went fasting 40 days and delivered a powerful Sermon on the 40th day with over 3,000 souls won to the kingdom would be the one to have time to be spreading unfounded rumors?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:49pm On Jun 01*

Hmmmmmmm that sounds familiar!

Well if you are looking at RELIGION in general you will surely become irritated by what's happening around you but it's not what you are seeing that really matters rather things happening that you're not seeing!🙂

Melchizzedek:
Religion is a farce bro. No hell, no heaven, no Afterlife. We are only existing here cos the conditions here on earth support our existence. We only get here by probability

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Anyone Raised By Atheists, Versed In Science, Become A Christian? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:03pm On Jun 01

Currently i'm studying the Bible with an older friend who said faith in God is stupidity!

How did it happen?

I simply asked him who discovered the water circle and he mentioned two names: Bernard Palissy in the year 1580 and Pierre Perrault in the 1600s.

So i told him it was Moses who wrote the Bible book of Job some 3,500 years ago.

He laughed at the top of his voice but later became silent and scared when i showed him what Moses penned down regarding water circle:

(God) draws up the drops of water; They condense into rain from his mist; Then the clouds pour it down; They shower down upon the earth. Job 36:27-28

From that moment he agreed to giving a study of God's word a second thought!🙂

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can Anyone Raised By Atheists, Versed In Science, Become A Christian? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:41pm On Jun 01

Ignorant people with little knowledge of science do claim they are atheists those having indepth of knowledge in science are real believers in God.

So when you see adults claiming they are atheists wait until their own child gets deeper knowledge of science!🙂

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Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:54pm On Jun 01

@ Explore2xmore
Whenever anyone comments on your thread regarding the question you asked tell each person to declare the name of his church so you can know where the teaching is coming from otherwise they will just be running in circus.
Whatever you hear from me belongs to Jehovah's Witnesses globally!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:42pm On Jun 01

Image123:
Lolz, i asked you several times. Apparently, you don't know. If you know, you'd have seen it when i posted it. Follow who know road, jwickedness will always leave you hanging and parambulating in cases such as this.

Do you want to know?

Just type "YES" all these name calling can't save your face if you don't ask i'm not obliged to share it with you Sir!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:22pm On Jun 01

MaxInDHouse:
What did the Bible say about how names are written in the book of life?🙂

If you don't know and you don't want to know it's OK!🙂

Image123:
i shared it already. No update yet to share yours? We got tired of that my denomination is the best answer already. Ask for update and upgrade.
Lolz, i just recall that i used to call you majamaja. You really need the upgrade, you've barely made much progress.

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:19pm On Jun 01*

Explore2xmore:
Maxindhouse, the Matthew 10:6 to Matthew 28:19 trajectory you cite actually follows the point being made here rather than weakening it.

According to God's word the Jews were chosen to spread the Good News of God's kingdom so that people of all other nations can tap into it through the Jews:

This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’ ” ‭Zechariah 8:23 NIV‬

That's the arrangement Jesus stick to {Matthew 5:17} and that is why he first restricted them to Jews only! Matthew 10:6

God will choose among only Jews to rule with Christ but when the Jews failed to make use of the opportunity given to them the invitation was blown open to people from other nations! John 1:11-12 compare to Matthew 22:1-14
🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:08pm On Jun 01

FxMasterz:
Jesus spoke specifically to Peter in the audience of others. Anyone could have spread it.

So Peter never knew such a thing spread among disciples when it was him directly that Jesus spoke to?

Perhaps it was 98.c.e that John later realized that it has spread among the disciples.

Ọmọ nah Peter talk am if not he would have corrected it before 98.ce. that is why John was inspired to correct the wrong notion before his death!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:45pm On Jun 01

FxMasterz:
Before any of those believers can believe anything, it would be Confirmed by other disciples especially Peter and John himself.

The highlighted is what you never took time to consider because Jesus spoke specifically to Peter {John 21:22} so who spread it if not Peter himself?🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Name Written In The Book Of Life? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:42pm On Jun 01

Image123:
No be you? i knew your bot behavior na. Update didn't come from sad hall or that brown book they ask you to quote. You can't answer your question, you can't read my answer. Keep playing, at least you can get joy not found in the sad hall.

So keep what you think you know to yourself!🙂

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