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Roycemadeit:
Max, perhaps you should rephrase the question. Jehovah’s Witnesses are a Christian religious movement, so asking me to name another “religion” whose members have produced the same results frames erroneous comparison. An accurate question would be: “Can you name another Christian denomination or religious movement whose members have produced similar results?”

Not asking for SIMILAR RESULT but a result that's beneficial for mankind in general just mention one as in any religion you can think of with a result that's note worthy globally.

Roycemadeit:
And if we're talking about the effects of religions more broadly, Christianity itself has a complicated record. Buddhist societies, for example, did not build the transatlantic slave trade or European colonial empires under the Christian banner.

Another problem with atheists is this thought of slavery.
Slavery started since mankind's history and it will continue to be until God's Kingdom come.

Perhaps i should school you on what slavery means.

You guys think it's about forceful labour but you're wrong. Slavery means keeping you in a situation where whatever you are making can only take care of your needs just as slave masters back then also make sure their slaves eat, drink, wear clothes, have sex and sleep on beds.
If you are the slave of a wealthy king you will surely worth more than the slave of someone who is just managing.
The same applies till today.

You mentioned Buddhism so can you mention one achievement of that religion that is noticable globally?

Ọmọ you can't compare what is limited to a geographic location to what is global nah!🤔

Do you think there are no African traditional religions that's also noteworthy?

Of course there are but what we are saying is it can never ever go round the globe to achieve what is beneficial to all mankind the way the Bible God stated in the book of Isaiah!🙂

Dtruthspeaker:
You already know that it is Written all liars shall have their part in the fire

Please i don't want insults so if you can't discuss without insults stop mentioning me.

The first death refers to the one humans inherited but where the resurrection awaits us all second death simply total destruction.

So sin against holy spirit has no resurrection which means such ones goes straight to the second death. As for fire it's the symbolic term God used for complete destruction God will never burn anyone forever that's totally against His person.

It's either you live or die there is no third place. Genesis 2:17

It's now clear someone is telling you what to type otherwise you should be able to reason apart from repeating yourself as if you are stuck.
Ọmọ if you don't have anything meaningful to say abeg i get plenty work for now!🥱

Courz:
MaxinDhouse, Look at your own publication confirming that this New Update of accepting Blood components is actually Blood Transfusion. Isn't this shameful that your Cult have made hundreds of thousands die then turn around and say you can now accept Blood Transfusion? It seems you Jehovah's Witnesses have not fully understood this update. You Jehovah's Witnesses can now accept Blood Transfusions. Accepting Blood Components is Blood Transfusion. Read this screenshot very well MaxinDhouse. Don't pretend to be daft and blind.

youngEmelex:
Your answer goes a long way. The number of people in the grave since the beginning of the world should be above 500 million. 50 million plus died in ww2 alone. I prefer to accept that all those bodies will add manure to the soil while the few saved ones will attain resurrection

According to the Bible where do creatures come from and to where do they return?
Ecclesiastes 3:20

Courz:
MaxinDhouse
MaxinDhouse.

You keep mentioning my name as if i'm owning you but when i decides to chat with you it's not you anymore rather it's a machine that'll be repeating itself responding.

So i asked you again:

Is your brain box off the default mode now?🥱

yommyuk:
God bless Brethren

Who are your brethren?

Can you do things they don't see as scriptural? 1Timothy 4:15

According to God's word true believers are not to please faithless people but when it comes to people you call "BRETHREN" whatever you are doing that's not approved to them is a sin!

Courz:
MaxinDhouse,

Is your brain box off the default mode now?🥱

bobestman:
This one no go well so you don quickly find verse to shift am to another thing. Them change am abi Dem no change? Maybe the spirit of those that died don tell una to change am. Lol

Why did you run away from the question?
Faithless people!🙂

Lucifyre:
Oh you're still crying on my mentions. Keep at it then, maybe it would turn your empty claims to facts.

Funny atheist!😁

bobestman:
Oga una change the policy abi una no change am?

Cry me a river!🥱

Nothing changed that's what the Bible calls better understanding which has always been peculiar with God's people from time immemorial.

When Jesus said:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute yo" Matthew 5:43-44

Were God's chosen people killing their enemies before?

Why not blame God and Jesus saying they changed policy?🥱

Default mode!😁

Courz:
Your Governing body Member in the update revealed that they the Governing body are responsible for the Blunder because they went beyond what was written which is what the Bible kicks against and came up with that No Blood components doctrine. But you are here putting the blame on God. Why are you calling God Confused? Do you have a problem with God? Who do we believe between you and the Governing body member? Who is lying between the two of you?

Lucifyre:
Are you done?

Wetin you fit do pass blind arguments?😁

With what Jehovah's Witnesses produced through our interpretation of the scriptures which is a global family of peace loving worshipers who don't join in wars just as Isaiah 2:2-4 says can you give me one religion and it's produce that could be of great benefits for mankind?🙂

Roycemadeit:
Jehovah's Witnesses are reproducing what they believe the Bible teaches, just as other denominations reproduce their own interpretations. That may show consistency with their interpretation, but it doesn't prove that God established their organization. Especially when the movement itself has undergone major doctrinal and organizational changes since Russell.

Did God say we must not eat blood?
Did God approve the eating of eggs?
Does egg contain blood?
So if God says we shouldn't eat blood and didn't specify that it's components are safe except the whole blood it means He (God) kept it until we are able to found out through technology later.

God wear natural rubber for birds no one knew for thousands of years until mankind discovered electricity.

Now imagine if birds don't have such safety feet do you think any flying creatures will survive with our electric wires on poles?

Ọmọ you haven't answered the question i asked you since:

Have you found a replacement for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization?😁

Courz:
Your Governing body Member in the update revealed that they the Governing body are responsible for the Blunder because they went beyond what was written which is what the Bible kicks against and came up with that No Blood components doctrine. But you are here putting the blame on God. Why are you calling God Confused? Do you have a problem with God? Who do we believe between you and the Governing body member? Who is lying between the two of you?

Lucifyre:
Still yapping cause obviously there's none. When you're done yawning and yapping, you would exit the same way you entered my mentions.

People wrote what they saw and heard you say they're not to be taken as eyewitnesses but when your parents tells you what Awolowo, Ojukwu did you will swallow it without asking them if they are 👀 Witnesses!😁
Funny atheist!😁

Roycemadeit:
[color=#000099]Christianity has produced countless denominations, all appealing to the Bible while arriving at different doctrines and practices.

So the religion that achieved what Isaiah says is the one and only true religion {Isaiah 2:2-4} that is the fruit expected of the one and only true religion! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

YES!
God says we must not take in blood {Genesis 9:4} and He's the same person who told us to use medicines {Psalms 104:15} so if one or two components of blood could serve as medicine to build blood then He's the same person telling us to use it but not whole blood.🙂

Courz:
So, it was God who forbade you JWS From taking Blood components before and now he is the same person saying you can take it now? So, God is responsible for the deaths of many who obeyed the Old Light? Is he that confused? Are you sure you watched the update very well?

Your Governing body member revealed why the old light was wrong. He said they the Governing body went beyond what was written which is what the Bible kicks against and came up with that No Blood components doctrine. Did you not hear the words from the Governing body member say The Governing body has decided ? Meaning the old and New Light are purely the decisions of the Governing body and not Jehovah . But you are here saying it was God that was responsible for the Old Light. Why are you calling God Confused?

AntiChristian:
Where's maxindhouse?

You really love joking my friend so continue deceiving yourself with faithless people.
Taking in blood is what God say is forbidden {Genesis 9:4} but the same God allows eating of egg which also contains blood so there is need to advance further to know what really matters. So we understand now that there are components of blood that is not harmful unlike the whole blood itself so these components can be extracted to build your own blood.
This is science that shouldn't bother you but since you love associating with jokers you can continue deceiving yourself!🙂

All these things are simple but as you've chosen to be an atheist and you don't want to accept that there is original before fake you are angrily arguing as if your life depends on it.😁
Ọmọ God didn't just choose the Israelites or Jerusalem for jokes rather it's to start pure worship that will help gather honest hearted and sincere individuals globally. Isaiah 2:2
So when they failed the promise was given to another nation of people from different countries who are PRODUCING the fruit expected of true worshipers. Matthew 21:43
That is where Jehovah's Witnesses comes in!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Max, let's take your claims separately because you're repeatedly moving from what a verse says to what Jehovah's Witnesses interpret it to mean.
You say Zion symbolizes pure worship. But Isaiah 2:2-4 actually speaks of the mountain of the Lord, Zion and Jerusalem. Where does Isaiah tell us that these references represent a religious movement that would emerge from the nineteenth-century Bible Student movement and eventually become Jehovah's Witnesses?

You then say true worship disappeared after the first century and was eventually restored. But Matthew 13:24-30 doesn't say Christianity would disappear for centuries until Charles Taze Russell and the Bible Students emerged in the nineteenth century. If that's what the passage means, show how you get from Jesus' parable to that specific historical conclusion without first assuming Jehovah's Witness theology.

Then you appeal to “by their fruits” in Matthew 7:16-18. But you've already decided what the identifying fruits are, combined them with Isaiah 2:2-4, and then declared Jehovah's Witnesses the only organization fulfilling them. Where does Jesus say Isaiah 2:2-4 should be used as an exclusive test for identifying Jehovah's Witnesses centuries later? That's the connection I'm asking you to demonstrate.

Your argument about former JWs is equally strange. Someone doesn't need to find a “better religion” before concluding that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong. Russell himself questioned the religious teachings available to him. Why should questioning one's religion count as searching for truth when it leads toward your movement, but become bitterness or dishonesty when someone applies the same scrutiny to Jehovah's Witnesses and leaves?

And there is another problem with using Ephesians to explain what Jesus meant in Luke. Luke's introduction, Luke 1:1-4, presents him as someone who investigated accounts handed down by eyewitnesses rather than claiming to be an eyewitness himself. Paul, traditionally regarded as the author of Ephesians, was not one of Jesus' original Twelve. Ephesians and Luke were therefore separate writings from different contexts. They were only brought together later as part of the developing New Testament canon, through the recognition and listing of these writings by early Catholic Christian leaders and church councils. So Ephesians 6:17 cannot simply be treated as Paul's explanation of what Jesus meant in Luke 22:36. If Ephesians had never become part of the New Testament, what evidence in Luke 22:36 itself would tell us that Jesus meant “Scripture” rather than an actual sword? The connection is an interpretation made later, not something Luke explicitly tells us.

Courz:
Where did this New Light come from and where did the old light come from?

God reveals His truth gradually that's why there is OLD and NEW covenant in the Bible nah!🙂

Courz:
I said show me proof that Blood Components has been approved for ages before the Update. Don't just talk. Show me. I posted your Blood Card that says the opposite of what you said to show you are a Liar. Show the public proof before the Update. I am posting my proof again as screenshot below. Show me yours.

Ọmọ that's the new light nah àbí you wan kill yourself over our matter?😁
God approved eating of egg in which components that can build blood are found yet God says His worshipers shouldn't eat blood.
So parts of those components that build blood are safe it's the whole blood that's not safe.
Do you understand now?🙂

Courz:
The Guy don run.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jehovah's Witnesses, Una go really sweat to defend unaselves. Look at how you all are a laughing stock to the world. 😁😁😁

You have refused to answer my own question o!😁

Since you left us have you found a replacement for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization?

Courz:
I said show me proof that Blood Components has been approved for ages before the Update. Don't just talk. Show me. I posted your Blood Card that says the opposite of what you said to show you are a Liar. Show the public proof before the Update. I am posting my proof again as screenshot below. Show me yours.

This is why it's called NEW LIGHT because the understanding is getting clearer.
Check ChatGPT to learn about the components that makes up blood and how two parts of it could help to build your own blood without having to do with the whole blood of a donor.🙂

Courz:
I said it na. You JWS have been ashamed of this update. That's why you are dodging those threads. I said it that your reply will be to gaslight the public that there was no change. So, you are telling us you Jehovah's Witnesses have been free to donate Blood and receive Blood components before that update? Oya prove it.

Components that makes the blood has been approved since ages it's whole blood that can't be taken.
So if we welcome components found in blood surely we should be able to donate blood since it's inside blood that those components are found.
That's what the update is all about. Have you found a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses?🙂

Courz:
You don tire to dey defend your New Updates from your Freemason Governing body abi? You and your JW minions cleverly avoided the threads about your new Blood Transfusion change. The changes dey tire you abi? 😅😅😅😅😅😅

What's new in the update o?

OK you still expect me to start explaining what a kindergarten student can easily grasp?

Ọmọ the truth remains that you can never find a replacement for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization.

I know you are a disguised atheist now!🙂

broswilli:
The power of a false prophet relies on the fear they instill in people, but the Bible advises us not to fear them, as stated in Deuteronomy 18:22.

What is the FRUIT expected of true worshipers of God in our time? Matthew 7:16-18

Lucifyre:
Said it. 😄 Mention the so called witnesses nau. Story.

You rejected the eyewitnesses but you believe stories they tell you about your own ancestors whom you never knew nor anyone who was an eyewitness of how your ancestors lived their lives.
Are you not just joking?🥱

Roycemadeit:
What is “Jerusalem”? Where is the physical or identifiable mountain described in Isaiah?

Zion symbolizes pure worship so when ancient Israelites sing songs of worship in that place they believe it's acceptable to God {Psalms 137:1} but Jesus said that place has lost its glory due to the attitude of its inhabitants! Matthew 23:37-38

Roycemadeit:
So if God had already given humanity the Bible, why did the definitive understanding of its prophecies supposedly have to emerge through a particular modern movement centuries later?

Jesus said shortly after his death true worshipers will be wiped out by false religionists claiming Christians {Matthew 13:25} and in time it's this false religion that'll flourish globally causing confusion until when Jesus returns as a spirit king to restore pure worship {Matthew 13:30} it's then sincere people will be able to identify true religion because it will produce the same fruit as first century disciples of Christ! Matthew 7:16-18

Roycemadeit:
[b]Are you saying nobody has ever left Jehovah's Witnesses because they concluded that its interpretation was wrong?

There are many of them in this forum please ask them to present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses!

Roycemadeit:
How do you reconcile “Prince of Peace” with Jesus explicitly saying he came to bring a sword and division?

His teachings will help separate evildoers from honest hearted people so while the honest hearted and sincere individuals use his teachings to achieve what Isaiah 2:2-4 while evildoers claiming they believe in God or Jesus will be blindfolded by Satan to continue hating, fighting and killing themselves! Revelation 6:3-4
So the sword Jesus brought which is truth found in God's word {Ephesians 6:17} will divide people so that righteous and the unrighteous people are separated! Hebrews 4:12
If Jesus actually brought physical sword how is it that he never used it neither does his first century disciples?
The only disciples who used the physical sword was reproved by Jesus whom you are quoting now! Matthew 26:52🥱

TenQ:
13 pages of monologues
Count me out!!
SMH!!

He needs commentators to push his thread to the front page but his wolf cries won't work this time, let him continue typing. When he's tired of these unnecessary complaints he will carry weapons to attack people going to worship their God!🥱

Lucifyre:
When you're done makjng your strawman you'd list the eyewitnesses for us.😄

You're simply joking!🥱

Lucifyre:
Lol This one is talking upside down left. Crash out and strawman as much as you want, it doesn't change the simple fact the gospels are not eye witness accounts.

There has never ever been any eyewitness accounts where two or three people say exactly the same thing.
Their stories may end in the same way but narratives will differ!