sonmvayina:

Exactly...we only have laws to guide us ..
So you lot should stop knocking on people's door and telling them rubbish...
God gave us statues to help us realize who we are and act accordingly...
No man is coming to die for anybody, you make a mistake. Confess and forsake and grow....that's the purpose of life.

You just keep amusing me each time you try to play smart because i am a million times wiser than you in reasoning.

Petalss:

Setting aside religious considerations for the moment, when siblings from the same parents engage in conflict or even violence against each other, is such behavior is a direct result of their parents' instructions?

No human mother will be happy to see her kids engage in violence against each other in fact such a mother will start crying as she doesn't have the power to stop or end such a thing due to imperfection.

But when talking about God He is challenged when His worshipers are doing such as He is perfect and fully understood what disorder could lead to. That's why the Bible God will never ever condone such from any of His worshipers. Jesus is God's only begotten Son he said:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me" John 5:30

So if i call Jesus "Lord" and my Lord says he can not do anything of his own initiative unless what God instruct him to do please do i really regard his as my Lord when i decide to do my things differently without strictly following his footsteps? Matthew 15:8-9

Petalss:

You haven't answered my question still.
I won't approve my children kill each other under my watch.

I don't get your question but with your own illustration it's evident that religionists fighting and killing one another are not children of the same parent!

sonmvayina:

Lol, very funny...
Keep living in delusion, when you grow up you will learn..

And i've told you a million times to allow me grow instead of always coming to argue and insult me when you know i should grow up before i can understand!

sonmvayina:

Do you believe it?

Dumb question!

How can you and i be Gods yet you're crossing to my domain insisting i must agree with you?

Does that even make any practical sense to you?

Ọmọ if you're God on your own and i am God on my own there's no reason why you and i should be having a discussion about how i should do my things, you do whatever pleases you while i also do whatever pleases me.

That's how Gods do!

Petalss:

Mr Max, I didn't get the answer convened in your response.
Imagine a mother who gives her two children the same set of instructions on how to prepare a meal. One child follows the instructions carefully and fully understands the process, preparing the meal as intended. The other child misinterprets part of the instructions and ends up preparing the meal differently, perhaps leaving out some ingredients or cooking it in a different way. While the meals they prepare may look or taste different, both children were still following the instructions of the same mother.
If both children were given the same guidance from their mother, does the difference in how they understood and followed it mean they have a different mother, or is it simply a difference in their interpretation of her instruction?

Let's imagine you are that mother will you approve your children fighting and killing one another claiming it's due to your instructions they want to follow?

Petalss:

Kingsempires. A personal question for just you. Do Christians and Muslims worship the same deity, despite their differing beliefs and practices?"

Names religions calls themselves shouldn't blur your senses my guy, there are just TWO religions: Matthew 7:13-14

Wordhipers of God.
Wordhipers of Satan.

You can't figure out which is which if you're just thinking about what they're called or the name they call their Gods or their form of worship.

God is supposed to be the supreme ruler of the universe but Satan challenged that and ever since then Satan has been brainwashing billions of people to join his side and politics is what he uses in recruiting them.

So if any religion is participating in politics they will always do horrible things in the name of God in fact they will kill their neighbors, families and even their fellow believers! Revelations 6:3-4

Only worshipers of the true God can see through the thick gloom that's why Jesus said the greatest commandments is Love for God and Love for neighbors! Mark 12:29-31

Satan will blind all others from seeing this! 2Corinthians 4:4

epfa:

The Watchtower organization is not practicing what Jesus taught.

People who are making a global family of peace loving worshipers {Matthew 28:19-20} aren't doing what Jesus taught but you who only sit in your room with your children are doing it shey?

epfa:

I worship Jehovah at home with my children who are also witnesses.

epfa:

I worship Jehovah at home with my children who are also witnesses of Jehovah.

Satan don finish this one!

He worshiped in isolation no preaching no teaching in his neighborhood to make a spiritual family of congregation.

Petalss:

I acknowledge that Jehovah's Witnesses do not adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity. However, are you asserting with certainty or merely expressing your opinion that the God they worship, known as Jehovah or Yahweh, is fundamentally different from the God you worship, also referred to as Jehovah? Could you clarify the distinction you see between these two, if any?

The true God said Satan is deceiving people so Satan and Demons often appear to people of the world telling them names to brainwash them into disobeying what God said.

The true God has a purpose for which He has arranged pure worship and it's clearly stated in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3

Faithful people globally will connect themselves and form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

That's what Jesus of Nazareth commissioned in the first century so if any religion is not achieving this then they are not doing the will of God so neither Jesus or Jehovah know them! Matthew 7:15-23

sonmvayina:

We are Gods

So why are you always disturbing me since you are God on your own and you believe i am also God on my own!

sonmvayina:

Your problem is that you are using a mistranslated version. So it is quite difficult to keep up with you..I read the whole of Daniel 9 in Hebrew, all these you claim are not even there..

Whether you like it or not Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah God promised mankind but if the Jews rejected him that's their own cup of coffee they will never ever remain a nation and troubles will continue to befall them untill they welcome those bringing the message of Jesus of Nazareth! Matthew 23:37-39

sonmvayina:

Which one are we talking about?

The Bible from Genesis to Revelations is about the salvation of mankind.

That's why all the prophecies correlates.

So if some unbelieving Jews choose to discredit the prophecies simply because Jesus never supported their political ambitions you should think twice.

God doesn't know Israel from the beginning of creation it's Abraham God made promises to and said if his descendants keeps the covenant at heart He will continue with them forever but the nation of Israel never hold the covenant with seriousness so the whole thing can't be about that nation.

sonmvayina:

Read the whole thing, like I said I have a feeling the Messiah in question is Cyrus....
I will get back to you on it..

Ọmọ go and learn before coming here to argue.

If i choose to leave you in your ignorance it doesn't mean i have accepted your nonsense i just feel like allowing you to continue with your delusion that's why i keep telling you to stay away from me after that day you got so mad that you began talking about Hellfire that you never believed!

sonmvayina:

Stop dancing like a headless chicken.
Context is key....stop taking text out of its position. That why you keep missing the mark.
Leave it as it is and read everything.....you will see the messages in a new light.

Oya read the context and point out where the name ISRAEL appears in those verses!

sonmvayina:

The Messiah that is cut off might be Cyrus

Olódo!

So you're not even sure.

Yet you want to argue.

According to David's, Isaiah's and Daniel's prophecies the Messiah is a unique person who will be SACRIFICED for the sin of entire human race and Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled that.

So if someone is brainwashing you not to accept it simply because you hate churchians that's not my own fault!

sonmvayina:


You problem is that you are fond of removing text from it's context..that is why you keep missing the message...and what I discovered is that nearly every Christian here does that...read the whole story and learn the message it is passing across. We are expected to take the messages from the story and live by it. But you lot keep removing the text and spend all day arguing about it.
Isaiah is a continuous narrative..

Psalms are sung meant to be sung during worship., they are not prophesy and for good measure, a prophet is somebody that tells the truth,not somebody that predicts the future...

The Jewish concept of a Messiah is somebody who is anointed with a special oil to the service of God. This might include priest as well as kings.

The Messiah the Jews were expecting is an ordinary man from a royal family who will be a king/priest. Not a demi god. The idea of a demi god is alien to Judaism. That is my point.

I don't know how else to teach you..

Guy what does Daniel meant by saying Messiah will be cut off (killed) Jesus was killed that's what it means but if your Jewish landlord told you something else let me know!

Petalss:

Mr Max, can you share more insight to this?

There are many demons answering Jesus and God today {2Corinthians 11:14} so if you're just considering the name they call their Gods you may be confused.

What you should carefully note is the command their Gods are giving them if it's in line with what Jesus taught in the Bible.

For instance Jesus' disciples must not raise any weapon against their neighbours {Mark 12:31} neither should they think of killing their fellow believers {John 13:34-35} all these makes no sense to them yet they're calling Jesus claiming he is their God! Matthew 7:21-23

He himself said it's in vain they are doing all those worship because he doesn't even know them! Matthew 15:8-9

sonmvayina:


Olodo

See him quoting something I have told him a million times that the suffering servant is Israel..

You are so full of shit..

You are just not ready to learn.

Maximus, the suffering servant is Israel..stop taking text out of context...olodo, that's how you thrive..

Messiah will be cut off ńkọ́? Daniel 9:26

Is Israel the Messiah that will be cut off?

You lied that Psalms 110 was talking about Israelites kings as Messiahs yet verse 4 said he is a priest in the order of Melchizedek forever.

So are Israelite kings also priests?

Petalss:

Additionally, do you think the Jesus you worship is the same as the Jesus recognized by Jehovah's Witnesses?

Of course most people think so but truthfully it is not the same Jesus!

Words of wisdom!

GraceUponGrace2:

Jehovah or Yahweh: What Is The Correct Name Of God?

Both the names JEHOVAH and YAHWEH do not accurately convey the exact pronunciation of the divine name of God, but “Jehovah” is far off the lane! Yes, you heard me well. Now, take your time and read, then share after reading…

God’s true name in Hebrew was revealed and spelt as יהוה, which is the TETRAGRAMMATON (consisting of four Hebrew consonants – Yod, He, Vav, He), and when transcribed into English, it gives us YHVH or YHWH. This is so because ancient Hebrew was traditionally written without vowels. Only the Jews who existed at that time knew how they pronounced the divine name.

CONTINUE READING

What is the name of God's only begotten Son?

Youareforgiven:

Leviticus is no more in the old testament. You are the one seeing blood/human sacrifice. What I saw is someone taking my place in death that I truly deserved. What I saw is Jesus Christ been condemned that was meant for me.

You purposely came to my thread just to insult me for my faith but if i offer to help you know verses that sonmvayina can't shy away from will you believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are witnesses of Christ Jesus for real?

Well if you want to silence sonmvayina the word of God is enough, you don't need to waste your time arguing with him because he knows next to nothing about God's arrangement to redeem mankind.

Why not quote this verse and ask him to say whatever comes up to his brain regarding this prophetic words from Isaiah?

Truly he himself carried our sicknesses, And he bore our pains. But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. Like sheep we have all wandered about, Each has turned his own way, And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him. He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted, But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth. Isaiah 53:4-7

Daniel also wrote this:

“And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself" Daniel 9:26

That's what faithful Jews believe about the Messiah or Christ that he will be cut off (Killed) for the salvation of mankind.

The above prophecies were all fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth in a perfect way so if anyone wants to argue regarding the sacrificial death of God's only begotten Son who died to save us let him go and edit the prophecy of Isaiah and Daniel.

May you have PEACE!

sonmvayina:

JW.org

Of course that's why the name "ISRAEL" comes to your mind when you think of the true God as you keep referring to how faithful ones among them work together in doing what pleases the true God and how God keeps referring to people outside that arrangement as unclean!

sonmvayina:

When you say "working" do you mean like brain washing??

Whatever you call it doesn't matter to Jehovah what matters is ONENESS!

sonmvayina:

Can you count the number of people in this world that are keeping the Torah?
We don't need to be in a cult...

We love ourselves......

God always count number of those worshiping Him as a congregation not those who can't work together as one!

Biblical dreams!

Well people teach anything that comes up into their mind but it's all lies the Bible never teach that people will continue to receive inspiration through dreams like Bible times!

sonmvayina:

This is one of MaxinDhouse banana peels....I have told him to read it in context. He knows he is wrong...but he just wants to be in a performing group....

Wrong is what can't WORK out anywhere it's like you trying to force people to agree with you that 3+3=5 and you can't present any place where it's working out.

So if you keep arguing about what you think is fact but can't present any group where it's working out what is beneficial i will continue to laugh at you and your logic!

AntiChristian:

Of course it is clear that doesn't exist!

Good!

So it's not from Jesus of Nazareth who sent his disciples to go out preaching and TEACHING what they can convince sane people to believe! Matthew 28:19-20

Qasim6:

What we can all agree as human being is trinity is not something that can be explained logically. Just like the concept of Jesus being fully man and fully God. The reason why I am of the opinion that Christianity as a religion is 100% faith and 0% common sense because you are not going to be needing your common sense to accept Christianity, it is just going to be lot of emotional preaching like "God love us so much, he became flesh to die for our sins", "I saw Jesus in my dream" and the likes.. because the evidence of this triune God is find wanting and not clearly stated in Bible.

Well that's not Christianity but Trinity forced on religionists claiming Christians.

As for true Christianity adherents must preach and TEACH what they believe from house to house and door to door according to the man Jesus who is called Christ {Matthew 10:11-13} so if it's mysterious how in the world will Jesus send people out to go and convince normal people to believe in something that's incomprehensible like Trinity?

When someone chooses to deceive himself it's best to just let him be!

David called the Messiah "my lord" yet you're saying all kings are Messiahs but in that same Psalms David wrote:

Jehovah has sworn an oath, and he will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever In the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek!” Psalms 110:4

So all the Kings of Israel are Priests forever like Melchizedek shey?