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Roycemadeit:
Isaiah 2:4 and then conclude that only Jehovah's Witnesses satisfy it. But Isaiah 2:4 says that people will “beat their swords into plowshares” and “learn war no more.” It doesn't say, “This will identify one modern religious organization.”

This is the where Isaiah started:


In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Isaiah 2:2
(The one and only true religion will be noticed by sincere people throughout the world )
Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Isaiah 2:3
(They will use what is found in the Bible which is the word of the God of Abraham to teach themselves)
He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Isaiah 2:4
(‭God will use His word to judge those who come together as one religion, they will settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, erase making, buying, selling and using of weapons in their midst and they will no longer learn war)
Isaiah 2:2-4 NIV‬
Ọmọ no matter how stubborn you may prove to be Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved this globally among themselves and that is the sign showing that this group is the one and only true religion?🙂

Roycemadeit:
You've added that part yourself. And even if Jehovah's Witnesses practice nonviolence globally, that establishes a characteristic of the organization, not automatically that God chose the organization.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace that is what he taught his disciples!🙂

Roycemadeit:
As for Luke 22:36, saying two swords could not possibly be enough for twelve men is precisely why the passage requires interpretation. But you cannot resolve that difficulty simply by declaring that Jesus meant something symbolic. The text says “sword”; Ephesians 6:17 gives a separate metaphor about the word of God. Show me where Luke 22:36 itself says the sword means Scripture.

Now you are joking right?😁

Roycemadeit:
And that's the question you've continued to avoid: how do you know that the interpretation you're defending is God's interpretation rather than the interpretation your organization has given you?

Because it's this organization that has fulfilled what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 while all others are still being influenced by Satan to kill themselves! Revelation 6:3-4🥱

Roycemadeit:
Max, you're confusing interpretation with evidence. The fact that different countries report different accusations against Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't make those reports false. And what about former Jehovah's Witnesses? Are you suggesting that every ex-JW who raises concerns simply left for no reason, or that none of them has a legitimate reason for leaving? If former members are automatically dismissed as bitter or spiteful, while current members are automatically treated as credible, you've created a system where your conclusion can never be challenged.

Intelligence is what you need!
I was a former Muslim but instead of dwelling on the past i keep on with the future telling everyone that i've found the one and only true religion.
You are an atheist so all what matters to you is how to discredit all religions but with a second thought why not ask any individual if they have found another religion that's better than the one they left?
If someone says JWs are evil and false the next question any right thinking person needs to ask is:
"Have you found a better religion?"
Imagine a man/woman who keeps on talking about his/her ex but never speak about his/her new found love do you think he/she is sincere?
Ọmọ when you leave someone or something what you should be talking about is the next move but if you keep dwelling on the past then any intellectual will know that you are the problem yourself!🙂

Roycemadeit:
As for Luke 22:36, you're again presenting your interpretation as though the text itself says it. Jesus said, “He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” His disciples then produced two actual swords, and Jesus said, “It is enough.” Ephesians 6:17 later uses “the sword” metaphorically for God's word, but Luke 22:36 itself never says that Jesus meant Scripture. That's your interpretation.

Where is your honesty my friend?
This is not rocket science but common sense. Jesus was talking to twelve men and only two swords was found in their possession and Jesus said "it is enough" please how can two swords be enough for twelve men abi you forgot he said each of them must have his own?🥱
Ọmọ try and think deeper!🙂

Roycemadeit:
We go back to the foundational question: how do you distinguish what the Bible actually says from the interpretation your organization places upon it? Calling my reasoning biased doesn't answer that question.

Because Jesus said "by their FRUITS you will know" {Matthew 7:16-18} so what is the fruit of the JW organization?
Remember the fruit is not about the complaint that's different from place to place the fruit of a tree should be the same everywhere the tree is found.
So only Jehovah's Witnesses have the same fruit of Isaiah 2:4 globally. Members of this group no longer learn war anymore just as Jesus God's only begotten Son commanded his disciples! Mark 12:31🙂

Lucifyre:
If only you had taken your own advice you'd have known that none, absolutely none of the gospels are eye witness testimony, neither are there any contemporary accounts. Besides eye witness testimony is the most unreliable and weakest form of evidence. Take ur own advice.

Funny enough there is no case in which three different eyewitnesses narrate things exactly the same way.
What real investigators do care about is when they pick up clues from different point/angle to get the real story.
Ọmọ go and learn from police or detectives they don't believe in storylines where three people claiming eyewitness say exactly the same thing it will lead to suspicion of conspiracy!🥱

Roycemadeit:
Max, asking “how many cases do you have in Africa?” doesn't answer the question. The geographical location of documented cases does not determine whether the cases are genuine, and the fact that abuse also occurs in other religions is irrelevant to whether it occurs among JWs.

I'm using what is called WISDOM instead of following mere rumor.
So far the accusations is coming from one side of the planet just as a part of the planet says JWs are terrorists, another say JWs are fetish then this one says JWs are rapists but you dodged the other two instead of critically looking into the matter as these accusations doesn't make sense. It should be that all the nations are saying the same thing either JWs are terrorists or rapists or fetish not that different reports are coming from different part of the planet regarding one single organization that has proved to be the one and only peaceful global group. That is what i call CRITICAL THINKING!🥱

Roycemadeit:
You keep asserting that the reports are false without actually demonstrating that they are false. As for your “sign of pure worship,” you have shown verses describing peace, love and unity, but you still haven't shown where the Bible says that these qualities uniquely identify one modern organization.[/quote ]
God's word says these qualities are attributes of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} and as imperfect humans nobody can cultivate these qualities without fault but where the spirit of God is active imperfect humans that are in such a gathering will unitedly work out these qualities like ants working together but when you look closely at just one of them you won't know any difference until you watch them work together. That is what makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES stand out! Isaiah 2:2-4

[quote author=Roycemadeit post=140678736]And there's the other issue you haven't addressed: Jesus himself told his disciples in Luke 22:36, “He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one,” yet you present being completely weaponless as an unmistakable biblical test.

As at the time Jesus uttered the statement his disciples hasn't understood symbolic terms he often use in teaching them.
That is why he said there are many things he would like to teach them but they can't fully grasp it at the moment. John 16:12-13
It was after his resurrection and ascension to heaven that they realized that the term SWORD means each of them must do whatever it takes own a copy of the scriptures which is God's word! Ephesians 6:17
Note that he never used a sword throughout his life and none of his disciples did after they fully understood what he meant.
So will you still continue in your biased state of mind of ready to reason CRITICALLY?🙂

That is why i asked you:

How many of such cases do you have in Africa?

As long as it's a Western thing then using it as an identity of a peaceful global organization is also confirmation bias.
I showed you what the Bible said will be the sign of pure worship you are referring to false stories from one particular side of the planet and using it to judge the world's most peaceful group simply because you don't want to see a difference as if rape and other such cases aren't reported in other religions globally.
Ọmọ you are the one who is bias here from the beginning God has given us a sign that will help all sincere and honest hearted people to know the one and only true religion and i have given you that sign so if you are now banking on what is not well grounded then you are the one who is bias!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Critical thinking means examining evidence, not deciding beforehand that every accusation must be spiteful.
A woman's marital status has absolutely no bearing on whether a rape allegation is true, and the fact that someone has children does not make her incapable of being a victim. Your personal story about one woman whose case was dismissed is an individual case, not evidence that the other allegations are fabricated.
And your statement that you have heard such cases as an elder is also anecdotal. If a particular case was dismissed, then examine that case on its own evidence. But you cannot take one disputed case and use it to declare that thousands of other allegations are lies. That's not critical thinking. That's confirmation bias.

Are the spirits described to be in hell human?
The scriptures says there is no knowledge in hell {Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10} so how can Jesus who was dead be conscious when the Bible said he begged God with tears to be saved from hell? Hebrews 5:7

Bible said God raised him from the grave {Act 3:15; 5:30} so how can he be conscious when Bible says there is no consciousness in hell? Ecclesiastes 9:10

According to God's word Jesus and Adam are equals that's why when Adam (perfect man) brought death upon the entire human race {Romans 5:12} only Jesus (perfect man) qualified to redeem mankind! 1Corinthans 15:45

So Jesus can't redeem Adam because they are both qualified as God's sons! Luke 3:38; John 3:16

If Adam who knew God directly is saved after putting billions of people through suffering on what ground could people who never heard God's voice be judged?

Another thing is it's only living people that can be redeemed the Bible says after death comes judgment so we only live once {Hebrews 9:27} but with this your own beliefs the Bible lied!🥱

PCHC:
As to question 2

Adam and Eve were among the pre-Noah's flood generations of people in Sheol, to whom the Lord Jesus Christ descended into Hell or Sheol to preach the Gospel.

[1 Peter 3:18-20 LBP] — "For Christ also once suffered for our sins, a just Man for sinners, that He might bring you to God, wherefore while He died in the flesh, He lives in the Spirit. And He preached to the souls imprisoned in Sheol; Those who in the past were disobedient; and in the days of Noah, when the Spirit of God had patience, He commanded an ark to be made in the hope of their repentance, but only eight souls entered into it, and were saved by it floating upon the water."

And Adam and Eve were among the saints that rose from the dead by death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. And when He, the Lord Jesus was lifted up in ascending, He drew all men He saved from Hell to Him and with Him in the Heavenly City, including Adam and Eve. John 12: 32-33, Matthew 27:50-53, Isaiah 26:19. When the Lord Jesus descended into Hell, He led Captivity captive, but set the captives who believed in Him free: and On ascending He drew all those souls or spirits with Him from Hell or Sheol onto unto the Holy Mountain of God in Heaven. Psalms 68:18, Ephesians 4:8-10.

Now to Question 1

Well, there is no where in the 66 Booked Bible that such statements were made verbatim. But there are other spiritual Books outside the Bible that reveal the truth and reality of the salvation and abode of Adam and Eve presently in heaven through the Cross and Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what I will do instead from the Bible on this matter to show you why the Salvation of mankind must begin with or include the Salvation and participation of the first man and woman, who were the first Man, the first to taste sin, the first and the reason why all men died and needed salvation, and why it must be the Seed of the Woman or the Son of the Man [their descendant] that must correct and redeem their errors if mankind must be restored: For since Adam and Eve were not perfect, someone from among their descendants or offspring must be perfect and be all that Adam and Eve could not be in the image and kingdom of God. Four Groups of Points below

{1}. For the Lord to be the Son of Man and still the Son of God, involves the participation of Adam's Name. The Bible states, that Adam was the son of God. As it is written,

[Luke 3:38] — "Cainan was the son of Enos. Enos was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God."


{2}. First, Adam is the only "Man" in the complete spiritual legal sense apart from the Lord Jesus who is the Second Adam. Only these two were in the Image of God, Adam and the Lord Jesus Christ. No other human is either qualified as "Man" in strict spiritual legal sense or qualified as the "Image of God." Other humans including you and me are all bearing the image of Adam first, and then some of us migrated into bearing the image of the Lord Jesus Christ afterwards. And in strict spiritual legal sense, all other humans including you and me are children of man or men.



{3}. To further on the point above, here is reference:

[Genesis 5:1-3] — "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"

From this scripture you that: Adam was in the likeness of God, but his offspring was in the likeness of Adam, not God. You also saw that Adam was the name God called both the Male and the Female, in the same day they were created.

This means in the same day they were created, which was on Friday {6th Day}, — The same day they were created was also the same day they sinned and lost the Garden of Eden — Friday, was the same day they were named, and they named all animals too.

Actually the first time the word Adam was used as his name was when he was to name the animals God brought to him. So God first named him before God used him to name others including naming the woman.

But the Woman received three names in that same Day: Since God called him Adam while she was still inside the man, she was still Adam even when she was taken out of the man or migrated from male into female.

The Hebrew word for "Adam" is the same Hebrew word for "Man." Therefore, Adam = Man.

So, both the male and female were called "Man" or "Adam." But Adam called her "Wo+Man" or "Woman" because she was taken out of Man. Woman is not the name that shows or identifies she's Female, rather Woman is the name that shows or identifies she's Taken Out of man. There's no name that shows or identifies she's female except female: For both the male and female were together called Adam. This mystery of plurality in singleness of one the perfection of the Man as the Image of God. Without this plurality or multiple in one, Man wouldn't be complete in the Image of God: — Therefore, "It was not good for the man to be alone" — the man was supposed to be multiple or plural, because God is multiple or plural yet one. Hence the two shall become one.

Here was the reason and the upgrade: — when God said, Let Us make Man in our Image, after Our Likeness — One God, but Multiple or Plural Beings yet One God or One He. The man He (God) was referring was "him" but the "him" is singular that must also be "them." So the "them" was inside the "him" to complete him as in the image and likeness of God: And let "them" inside the him have dominion over all earth realm things.

So, just as the Hebrew name of God, "Elohim" means "Multiple God Beings" in One, even so the name of the Man, "Adam" means "Multiple Them [Male and Female] Man Beings" in One. The Two are One, and the two shall become One.

The third or last name of the Woman, was not to show or identify her as female or as taken out of man, but to show all living mankind taken out of her — That name is "Eve" or "Eva" or "Evelyn." It means she is the Mother of all Living or like I said that "All Living taken out of her."

A. Her name as "Adam or Man" means she must also exist because without her existing and together with the Man or Adam, it will not be good for the Man to be alone: — She must pluralize the singleness of the male to qualify them being the Man or Adam together.

B. Her name as "Woman" means she was taken out of the man.

C. Her name as "Eve, Eva or Evelyn" means the man (Adam) too has to be taken out of her so that all the living will come out of her.


How can the man (Adam) be taken out of her (Eve) when she was the one taken out of Adam, the man?

Your question sounds like Nicodemus question to the Lord Jesus, saying, "How can a man be born again when he is old? Will he enter again into his mother's womb and be reborn? [John 3:4].


Yes, Adam had to enter into Eve and then come out of Eve repeatedly for all living to come out of Eve. The process of Adam going and coming out of Eve is called "Sexual Intercourse." Once Adam successfully went into her and came out, She became one with him and figuratively became mother of Adam, and Adam became the first of the Living of whom Eve the mother of all living, mothered. Thus, each subsequent time Adam called her Eve, Adam was indirectly calling her mother.

All these were by the Wisdom of God making arrangements for the Seed of the Woman, One who qualifies as the offspring of Eve, to redeem both her mistake and living mankind.

Behold the Lord Jesus Christ came, made of a woman who was an offspring of Eve, and made under the Law, to redeem those who are under the Law — Galatians 4:4-5.



{4}. So Adam and Eve were important stakeholders who also participated in the success of the Lord Jesus Christ in the redemption and restoration of all things. Adam and Eve were deliberate in putting all things in place while awaiting the coming of the Messiah. Adam was the first king on earth before the fall, and Adam was the first priest on earth after the fall. The success of Abel in offering to God was thanks to Adam.

It seems people only remember the sin of Adam and Eve because of the pains and death they caused, but I tell you, apart from that sin of eating of the forbidden tree Adam and Eve lived a sinless and righteous life throughout the rest of their lives, almost for 1000 years.

Imagine Adam and Eve lived 930 years, and no single single was found in them except the sin of the forbidden tree, which they committed in their earliest or first day on earth. The rest of their lives, they never again sinned against God, or against man, or against animals, or against nature, etc. They never lied, never stole, never polluted any body of water, never killed any animal or insect for no good reason, never hated any man, never committed fornication, etc, and they lived in one of the hardest times to live on earth for almost 1000 years with continuous temptations and harassment of Satan for no other humans to occupy the attention of Satan but only Adam and Eve, yet they were without sin apart from the eating of the forbidden tree.

Now compare that to your own record of maybe 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, or 100 years you have lived in a relatively better world and how sins you have in your records.

Are you then expecting the Lord Jesus Christ to save worse sinners from hell with record of average of (70*7)/100 sins per year, but leave Adam and Eve in hell forever when their record is only 1/930 sin per year?

Calculate your own rate of sin per year to show if you would have done better or worse than Adam or Eve in the Garden of Eden or in heaven if your rate of sin per year, since Adam or Eve record stands at 1/930 which is 0.0010753 sin per year.

Roycemadeit:
You are not actually addressing the evidence, Max. You are simply assuming that anyone who reports wrongdoing by a JW must be lying because they are former members, bitter, or trying to create enemies for the organization. That is circular reasoning: the organization is assumed to be good, therefore anyone presenting evidence against it must be dishonest. You haven't demonstrated that these people are lying, nor have you answered the actual question I raised. You have only explained why you believe they must be lying. Calling every critic a liar doesn't make the evidence disappear. It only shows how far you are willing to go to protect a conclusion you have already reached.

Please i don't mean to disrespect you but how old are you? 🙂

Let me teach you how to think CRITICALLY.

Do you think a happily married woman will come forward and tell stories about how she was raped?
How many of those claiming this are happily married as family women?

Come on these people are being spiteful. No normal woman happily married with her own children will come forward to start telling stories of how she was raped.

For instance there was a case of one woman who said a man (JW) raped her some 14 years back but after the investigation the court dismissed the case.

Why?

They discovered she's actually the one who initiated s3x with the young man when he was in his teens, her husband left her due to her promiscuity and she was using the teenager who was 17 years old back then while she was in her late 20s but when the young man decided to stop she reported him to the elders that he once raped her the story didn't add up so the elders told her this is slander because the young man was about to get married to a younger woman and she was determined to spoil his relationship with the younger woman. She later left the organization and still took the matter to court but the same thing happened.
But had it been she cooked her story well the brother will be behind bars now.
I am one of the elders and i have heard several cases of ladies who have had s3x with brothers secretly only to come forward and start telling us what happened several years back simply because the brother is now married or getting married to another person and they are left out.
So think critically not just swallow stories on the Internet!🙂

martinskelly:
How can this Sonmy of a person be talking from both sides of the mouth!
Firstly, they are characters that are not in existence, now they are writers with wise intentions to teach spiritual truth. Just be peddling false narratives. Me I can't even argue much.

Pastors have scammed him in the past that's why he so much hate anything having to do with Christianity.😁

Roycemadeit:
Whether an abuser's victim is JW or non-JW is irrelevant to the question.

You are not a JW so i as one here is telling you that those people are lying to create enemies for the organization.

WHY?

Because they have lost the best of friends who stopped talking to them after leaving the group they are determined to say anything against the organization. That is why you can't see any none JW reporting such. The JW is the happiest of all groups if there is any other happy group of people so when they find out that JWs have stopped associating with them for their immoral behaviors they decided to make unsuspecting people like you view JWs as evil people.
So they are all liars.🙂

sonmvayina:
The Jewish scribes for the Tanakh. And anonymous Greek theologians for the Christians scriptures...

What is the name of the Jewish scribe who has been lying that fictitious characters are doing this and that?😁

sonmvayina:
He ate and drank with them after the so called resurrection. And he even told Thomas to put his hand in his wounds....that does not sound like a spiritual body....

You don't believe in the Bible so stop deceiving yourself.

Are angels spirits or humans?
If they are spirits how did they eat with Abraham?

PCHC:
First, Adam and Eve are no longer in hell, but delivered from hell into heaven by the Second Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord descended into Hell to save mankind beginning with saving Adam and Eve because they were the father and mother of all the living.

Quote where the Bible says
1.Adam and Eve are now in heaven.
2. Jesus descended to hell to save mankind beginning with Adam.

QuinQ:
There is basic human sense of decency that is totally independent of religion.

There is no single one anywhere!

When humans come together to form a constitution whatever they agree upon as right or wrong is always based on their BELIEFS.

Granted Satan is working on this but it can never work because nepotism will always play its part as those in the office of Judiciary will be planning to favor their own relatives.

When such rules are tied to beliefs whoever wants to overturn the judgment must do so secretly to avoid chaos but if the rules has nothing to do with beliefs then anyone can twist it as there won't be any grounded foundation for your laws.

That is what the OP is saying?🙂

Heaven is not the reward for being virtuous rather what God promised is a better world when all evildoers are wiped out. Psalms 37:7-11
Proverbs 2:20-22
Jesus lived in heaven so he is not just another human like us that's why his death was temporary as he needs to return home after his earthly mission. John 14:1-3
So if anyone tells you he or she has been to heaven know that it's not possible because only spirit beings lives there that is why Jesus became a spirit after his resurrection so as to go back to heaven! 1Corinthans 15:45

It's impossible to raise a family in any society that is irreligious!

Today Chinese are working on this because they felt Western and Arabic nations used religion to enslave Africa so to avoid this they declared there shouldn't be any state religion which means each person is free to practice his or her own religion without disturbing others. So as long as you don't preach what you believe to anyone the Chinese welcome you.
But this world social order is gradually collapsing, it's just a pity that instead of noticing this most are thinking about how things will work without turning to God or religion.
For your information intelligent people are waking up to the fact that the use of money in itself is a scam and a new way of slavery so instead of working for money which keeps them below average many now works to improve their standard of living, don't think unemployment makes people fear anymore as they can see the employed are working from hand to mouth.
So what is my point?
Whether you believe in religion or not a time is coming and it's fact approaching when money will become useless and we will return to trade by bata.
Until then continue arguing aimlessly on false religion instead of humbly asking:

What should religion achieve in the human society?🙂

QuinQQ:
I hope you haven't finally lost it. What has this to do with the discussion??

Please address the question he raised!
If your daughter brings any of these men home and told you he is loving and caring will you give your approval to the union?

If not what exactly will be your reason since the man in question is kind and loving to your daughter?🙂

PCHC:
As for the case study for example, let's establish these three facts:

If someone is in hell forever and suffering there how does that equates to been dead?
God told Adam
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”‭ Genesis 2:17 NIV‬

Satan told Eve
“You will not certainly die,” ‭Genesis 3:4 NIV‬

Please from what Adam and Eve knew what is death?
And who lied between Satan and God since Adam and Eve are now in hell forever suffering as they are not dead according to what God said?🥱

PCHC:
Psalms 9:17
‭Psalms 9:17 NIV‬
The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God.

Psalms 11:6
Psalms 11:6 NIV‬
On the wicked he will rain fiery coals and burning sulfur; a scorching wind will be their lot.

Jude 1:7
‭Jude 1:7 NIV‬
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Mark 9:43-45
‭Mark 9:43, 45 NIV‬
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.

Isaiah 66:24
‭Isaiah 66:24 NIV‬
“And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

How does these verses answer the below question?

Truthseeker10:
Where does the Bible teach that God will burn all wicked people in Hell forever?

mindhacker90009:
If there was internet two thousand years ago and Jesus Christ has His own website and His own YouTube videos.
You will still tell those you are deceiving not to find out about Him on the internet.

If Jesus is Christ (Messiah) there's nothing to debate with you again.
Farewell!🙂

mindhacker90009:
So if there was internet two thousand years ago you think Jesus Christ will not have His own website and His own YouTube videos.

Now it's clear that you don't even know what you are doing here.

You've been making threads upon threads arguing that Jesus is not the Messiah (Christ) but see you acknowledging Jesus as Christ (Messiah)

Do you know why i always refer to Jesus as man from Nazareth each time i'm debating with you?

Well that is because only those who believe he is the Christ that i will call him "Jesus Christ" when discussing with them but in the presence of unbelievers like you he remains Jesus of Nazareth but funny enough even you acknowledge him as Christ (Messiah) so what exactly have you been arguing about since Mr MindHacker?🥱

Roycemadeit:
You're still confusing “this happened in some countries” with “therefore it didn't happen elsewhere.” The absence of reports you've personally encountered in Africa does not prove the absence of abuse.
How can you vouch for every single JW member worldwide and claim “all of us obey the law”? A national parenting award given to one family doesn't prove that claim, just as reports from particular countries don't prove that abuse is universal. The evidence has to be examined case by case.
And your Putin example doesn't establish what you think it does either. The Order of Parental Glory was awarded to multiple families, not exclusively Jehovah's Witnesses. The fact that one JW family raised eight children and received a parenting award simply means that that particular family was recognized for its parenting. It doesn't certify every JW family worldwide, nor does it establish that every member obeys the law. More importantly, the Bible itself doesn't provide comprehensive parenting manual that guarantees every Christian parent will raise children perfectly.

So the fact that reports comes from one part of the world should tell you something is wrong with your judgement that the organization hasn't trained members to be law abiding.
Another thing you failed to notice is that when accusations are coming none ever reported that a JW member molested the child of a none JW.
Or are they not attracted to other children except JWs?😁

Imagine when you hear reports of Muslims killing people do you hear that it only affects Muslims?

Ọmọ something doesn't add up in those reports.
For instance in places like Africa the reports is that JWs are fetish, in Russia JWs are terrorists, in Western countries JWs are child molesters. Haba! Please don't let atheism blur your senses o!😁

mindhacker90009:
You have access to the internet. You'll find all your answers there.

You just love deceiving yourself!😁

sonmvayina:
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They are allegories meant to teach us spiritual truth. That is the intention of the writer. If you miss that, then the intention is truly lost on you...

Who is/are the writer/writers?😁

sonmvayina:
I was quoting myself.

Funny man!

AntiChristian:
I know as usual there's always excuses for Jehovah but none for others. This is the Christian thing to say. You know the guidance is in the Qur'an and Sunnah which you were ignorant of back then in Islam.

Your Allah doesn't have anything called standard unlike Jehovah who makes rules that are binding even Himself.
How can a reasonable religion say a prophet of God died and his disciples started fighting and killing themselves over who is to take his place?
Is that the religion you want me to think about?
Ọmọ that your religion is worse than pagans because they have regards for their deities so when their deities make rules they will all abide by it believing the deity will judge matters right but in your own religion there is no regard for your Allah once anyone feels cheated he takes up his sword and forget about your Allah.
Is that the God you expect any right thinking person to consider?🥱

AntiChristian:
So who created Jesus in JW creed?

He is the first born of all creation {Colossians 1:15} this means God created him directly {Proverbs 8:22} and made him a craftsman in the creation of all other things! Proverbs 8:24-30 compare to Colossians 1:16

So the title only begotten son means the one and only creature that was directly made by God.

That is what the Bible teaches!🙂

sonmvayina:
A wise man once said 'The letter killeth but the spirit giveth life)

You are quoting PAUL in the Bible. 2Corinthians 3:6
But later you will say they are not real people yet you said "a wise man once said" instead of saying
"it was written that one fictitious character said"
If that's what you said at least you will be consistent with your views but your case is sorry!😁

sonmvayina:
The characters never existed.

This is the ridiculous thing you've always been saying.
The characters never existed but we exist and we are to learn from them.
What exactly has the churches of Christendom done to you that has make you this confused?😁

Roycemadeit:
You haven't answered the point. I gave you documented cases and an official Royal Commission that examined your organization's own records. Your response is simply, “Why aren't there similar reports in Africa?” That doesn't disprove the reports that exist.

It does my friend as long as such reports aren't coming from other countries except Western nations it simply means that isn't the identity of the organization!

Roycemadeit:
And regarding the Russian president, yes, Putin did recognize a Jehovah's Witness family in 2017 by awarding them the Order of Parental Glory for raising eight children. But that is evidence concerning a particular family, not proof that every JW member obeys the law. Sensibly, one family receiving a state award cannot vouch for millions of people.

Exactly what i said if one family can't vouch for millions of people surely reports from one part of the earth is not enough to evaluate a global family of peace loving worshipers.

Roycemadeit:
P.S: The Russian president didn't single out Jehovah's Witnesses as uniquely exemplary. The Order of Parental Glory was awarded to multiple large families from different regions. The JW were one recipient family among many. While the rest who got the awards ain't JWs.

The point is if we are molesting our children as you think how can a family in the same group of child molesters be awarded a national glory?
So if such reports aren't coming from other countries except the West you should think twice!🙂

werisetogether:
Sorry to hear of the experience you had. Several con-men use the cover of being "pastors" to relieve people of their money
The Bible NEVER recommends the sort of "transaction" you were bargaining with the scammer about...

The simple truth is anyone bearing the title "PASTOR" is a liar and scammer!
According to the Bible Jesus who supposed to carry the first title in the new covenant told his disciples not to address him as Christ nor should they tell anyone that he is the Christ. Matthew 16:20
WHY?
Because addressing him as Christ when he has not finished his assignment could lead to confusion. So it's until he finishes his earthly course that any of his disciples could rightly refer to him as Christ since he has fulfilled all the things written about him in the scriptures.
Today anyone attaching religious titles to his name is trying to scam people because Jesus warned his disciples not to carry religious titles on their heads! Matthew 23:8-10
The office of prophet, apostle, pastor, shepherd in the congregation is not to be attached to our names rather it's people that will notice what we are doing before they can say:
"This person must be a Christian" John 4:19
Mind you we are not to carry the title on our heads o!

WatchYourSix:
Negotiating?? Gave him money for what??
U scammed yourself…. U carry babalawo transactional mentality go church so must jam fake pastor naaaa
……did u see anyhwere Jesus or his disciples negotiated money to bless or help anyone ??
Na Una dey later turn to atheist insulting any Christian or Pstor u see….

True talk!
God will bless you again and again!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Jehovah’s Witnesses have members who have been arrested and convicted of serious crimes, including child sexual abuse. The Australian Royal Commission also examined the organization’s own records involving allegations against 1,006 members and concluded that children were not adequately protected.

This is the lie that has been used to blindfold people who aren't intelligent.
How come such reports are only from Western nations and none is reported in Africa?
Guy that is a lie perpetrated by religious leaders who wants to stop people like you from using your senses to see that there is one true religion. Matthew 5:11-12🙂
Western nations say JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES children aren't safe with their own parents while the president of Russia despite banning the same organization gave us the best family that has trained their children well in his own country.
Ọmọ use your senses and stop listening to liars on social media.