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Gabrielshow24:
That's an ill thought statement 😂😂😂.
One you can't substantiate because you arguing from silence 🤭

God's word never includes those names!

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂It doesn't change the fact.
They had these books🤔.
Which they used to judge spiritual matters. Protestants didn't feel the need to include such books because at best they just provided extra knowledge but weren't central to our salvation 🙃.

Jews practice SPIRITISM that's why they rejected Jesus!

Gabrielshow24:
I am just pointing out an apocryphal book that belonged to the Jews, imbibed by the Catholics!

Jews rejected Jesus till today those names belongs to demons they are using till now!

Gabrielshow24:
It goes to show that the Jews believed in four principal archangels🙃!!!
One of which is your Michael 🤭

The Jews have left God long time ago that is why God rejected their nation {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} they practice spiritism!

Gabrielshow24:
Do your research 🤔now?
It's in the Catholic canonized version 🙃

OK so you be Catholic or you just pick up things from wherever you get it to join with whatever you find in the Bible?

Ọmọ Catholics aren't Christians but if you believe otherwise then how come all other religions rejected that version?

Emusan:
Exodus God was talking about man using his own power to see Him.

Remember, the same God told Moses, there is a PART OF ME you can see.

Did God lie when He showed Moses that PART OF HIM?

Don't dodge my question.

God only showed Moses his glory not his face!

Emusan:
You're saying the scripture is contradictory then.

Ọmọ God's word doesn't contradicts it's you people who refuse to learn that's giving yourself the problem.

God cannot be seen {John 1:18 compare to Exodus 33:20} but the god who always represents him can be seen.


Simple as ABC!

Emusan:
You're the one who added REPRESENTING not the scripture.

Both Yahweh and Angel visited Abraham later only Angel was mentioned. That doesn't means both did not visit.

Good!

Oya explain these scriptures:

“You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.” Exodus 33:20

No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. John 1:18

I'm listening!

Gabrielshow24:
One is from Esdras.

Which Bible book is called by that name?

When Jehovah's Witnesses are confidently speaking about what we know you people want to argue.
Please how come the Bible says Moses spoke to Jehovah face to face {Exodus 33:11} Abraham spoke with Jehovah {Genesis 18:3} yet John the apostle said no man has ever seen God at any given time? John 1:18
Definitely it's the angel representing God all these people saw which was Jesus in his prehuman existence!

Gabrielshow24:
Why then do you say Uriel and Raphael are demons? 🤔🤔🤔
You're arguing from silence🤭
Explain let's know🙃

Where did you get those names?

Emusan:
Your first lie is you saying "ONLY one angel has been REPRESENTING Jehovah"

In all verses you quoted no Angel was mentioned to have represented Jehovah.

The closest one is where "MY ANGEL..." was used which could mean ANY ANGEL of God among the legions of Angels.

So, reading NWT no can can accurately say there's ONLY ONE ANGEL representing God because many Angels were mentioned in the Bible that actually delivered God's message.

Exodus 13:21 says Jehovah himself was leading the Israelites but it was Chapter 14:19 that reveals its an angel REPRESENTING Jehovah!

Gabrielshow24:
Ohhh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thus as a rule of thumb, there are only two angels!!! 😂😂😂

God only revealed two names Michael and Gabriel even though the Bible said they are many of them in heaven!

Gabrielshow24:
Fallacious at best🤤.
I can argue that the angel that killed about 185,000 men in one night stood on behalf of God's people😂😂😂.

Who knows that might have been Raphael? 👀
Or perhaps Uriel

I can argue the angel that stood on behalf of God when tyrants blasphemed his name was also an Archangel😂😂😂!

The bible is filled with people God uses!!!
Technically 🤔 standing on behalf of God!!!
They could be men, angels or even spirit of trees😂😂😂.

Bloody fools!!!

Raphael and Uriel are DEMONS!

God gave us only two names Michael and Gabriel!

Emusan:
Show me how this angel was addressed and can be identified in your NWT

Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night. Exodus 13:21

Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them. Exodus 14:19

Go now, lead the people to the place about which I have spoken to you. Look! My angel will go ahead of you, and on the day when I make an accounting, I will bring punishment on them for their sin.” Exodus 32:34

He said: “Look! I see four men walking about free in the midst of the fire, and they are unharmed, and the fourth one looks like a son of the gods.” Daniel 3:25

“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:1-2

Only one angel has been representing Jehovah and Daniel said it's the Archangel whose voice will raise the dead! Daniel 12:2 compare to John 5:28-29; 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Emusan:
Which means, reading NWT ONLY no distinction among the angels can be established.
I love that.

Only one angel represents God anytime the Bible mentions one angel standing in behalf of God's people!

geoworldedu:
Na wa o. Do you think that once you are not in support of a God or a philosophical ground, then automatically you are immoral and wicked? Well, I was once like you, thinking that it's only by God or devil humans can morally upright or not. But when I came to this side of life, I loved humanity more. When I was a Christian, if someone loses his entire savings to betting, I laugh and say serves you right. Who sent you to bet against God's will? Sinners must be punished. When I left that religious side, if such happens, I feel the pain of those people. Why? Because they were pushed into betting, as they have tried all means to stay afloat but could not. So they tried betting and failed woefully. I usually feel like anybody who dies a sinner, fornicates and died of HIV should get punished in hell fire forever. I felt that was justice. But now I can never even wish that somebody that murders me on earth here should go to somewhere and be burning forever and ever. It looks to me like injustice. How can you kill me and then your judgment is eternal pain of fire? It makes no sense to me. So guy, when you don't view the world as something revolving around God and devil anymore, it still doesn't turn you to heartless person or wicked man. It only helps you to see the reality of life better.

Well you may be surprised that it makes no sense to the Bible God too:

They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31

You were a misinformed churchgoer not a Christian!

Emusan:
Why does the expression "The Angel of the Lord/Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah/Lord" never used by Watchtower in their translation NWT?

Because we know that God is not an angel so it must be Jesus!

Sand2022:
So who is the Angel of the Lord?

Ask the OP nah!
Àbí nah Jehovah's Witnesses infuse what he typed in his head?

Truthseeker10:
Na wa 😂😂😂😂 The guy has no direction.

He once lost it while trying to prove wise with me by the time i concluded with him he began calling Hellfire to come and roast me something he doesn't even believe at all!

Antichristian2:
Who is running from you a JW?
Jesus is Angel.
So Jehovah sent Angel to come die for his People.
No hell and no Paradise!
And this is your truth?
Jesus came in 1914 to kickstart Christianity in the name of JW with the headquarters in Broklyn later NY!
Jesus became an English man!

No matter what a religion says about their beliefs since you and i never seen any God or prophet with our eyes there is only one way to confirm the truth:
Practical application and benefits of what the religion teaches.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization has this all others are just telling stories about what you have never seen before and they don't have anything tangible to show for their beliefs.
Borrow a leaf from that!

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Don't run oo come and tells us all you learnt from the false stories of your villagers.

His brain has been damaged by his Jewish landlord yet he feels like teaching others.

sonmvayina:
How do you know he does that in secret?
There are processes, if he is caught, he would face the justice system.
So you saying your elders who molest children are not supposed to educate their children? If not why you people keep protecting them?

If you catch anyone molesting your child will you still entrust him with your child?

delkuf:
this just nor won gree for maxi

For your information he fears me even much more than his teachers in Islam if you don't know!

delkuf:
see as Muslim dey school maxindhouse. If you are out of Jesus, you are out.

Olódo!
Who is the everlasting father? Isaiah 9:6
Why was Jesus' birth without sexual reproduction?

Antichristian2:
Is Jesus too not Adam's decendant? Luke 3:23-38 presents a genealogy of Jesus, starting with Jesus himself and tracing his lineage back to Adam, ultimately to God. Who called Jesus everlasting father? Who did Jesus father? Abeg!
Jesus had genes and blood!
Bros, i don tell you, all this your false New York city ideology from Charles Taze ehn no go work with me!

According to your Quran was Jesus born through the reproduction process?

Antichristian2:
That's the JW theory from NY city!
They don't believe in Hell or Paradise as a separate creation in existence now!

You can continue running away from JWs it's OK but you just have to know how far away the truth is from falsehood.
So enjoy your argument with your friends!

Antichristian2:
That's false.
Allah sent everyone on a mission and they have fulfilled their mission before Jesus. Only Muhammad completed his mission after Jesus.

That's what Islam taught you but the fact is that all those prophets died as Adam's descendants {Romans 5:12} without having a father that can stand as their ancestor through whom they can gain salvation (everlasting life) that's why Jesus is called the "everlasting father" {Isaiah 9:6} unlike Adam through whom all humans became sinners and dying it's only through Jesus that anyone no matter who he or she is can gain everlasting life (salvation) 1Corinthans 15:45
You can continue arguing with your friends but this is the absolute truth!

Antichristian2:
All Prophets did!

No single prophet is saved yet only those that followed Jesus are saved as for the prophets they will be resurrected to practice what Jesus taught before they can be saved!

sonmvayina:
If he a good teacher....why not.
What he does in secret is his business.

So if someone molests children in secret you can trust such a person to teach your child?

Antichristian2:
Is this what is recorded in the Bible? Please show us?

Did those Ninevites live forever?
If not they are not yet saved.
Salvation is everlasting life!

sonmvayina:
Why not....

Can you entrust your own child in the hands of an hired killer to TEACH?