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obonujoker:
“Two great resurrections await the inhabitants of the earth: one is the first resurrection, the resurrection of life, the resurrection of the just; the other is the second resurrection, the resurrection of damnation, the resurrection of the unjust.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Now what is the resurrection into life?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The resurrection of the unjust or wicked

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Timeline of these resurrections

1. First resurrection occurs before the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ

2. Second resurrection occurs after the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

See what is said of the first resurrection 👇

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So My Question is this, when exactly is the Rapture of the saint supposed to happen?

because RAPTURE means resurrection of the dead believers and undead believers to meet with Jesus Christ when He comes to take the saint.

Please can you QUOTE the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

obonujoker:
Yes Jesus did whenever his disciples asked him to.

Is it when his disciples couldn't understand and ask him or he always explain all his illustrations?

Kingsempires:
wetin dey happen

Is it possible you ask your friends to present their own teachings to you instead of following whatever Jehovah's Witnesses have deliberated in the past?

Kingsempires:
The JWS are the better christians when it comes to uniting,the way they give attendion to their newcomers,the way they preach from house to house, their bible study,their free books. But ones it comes to their believe, they are not the better christian there are righteous christians on earth that are not even JW. If JWs are the better christians ones it comes from their belief that means they are the only christian denomination that is righteous and true. and that is not true

The first century Christians had exactly the same challenge back then because many religions were claiming they're worshipers of the God of Abraham when the disciples of Christ insisted they are not worshiping the same God with any other group unless those people submit to those taking the lead among the Christian.
The body taking the lead back then were HOUSED in Jerusalem comprising of the Apostles and Elders in the headquarters back then so all the congregations were submissive to the orders and directives coming from this headquarter back then.
That's the secret of their oneness in the first century and today the one and only organization following that pattern is Jehovah's Witnesses organization!

Wonderful thread!

The year 1914!

God bless this OP!

Namaster:
Christianity is like:

As you're able to perceive it right?

Aemmyjah:
Sir
Kindly avoid this thread
God bless if you do

You're saying exactly what i thought yesterday at least the OP has proved to be lost in thought as he can't find any other organization that's practicing what he wants so whether he likes it or not only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have what can keep him worship in their midst:

PURE WORSHIP.

Thanks!

Wilgrea7:
So what is atheism? and what do atheists believe?

Simply put, atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF in a god. Atheists do not believe in a god.

Enlightenment is an ongoing process not what is stagnant so to define ATHEISM accurately it's wise to finds answer to these two questions:

• What/Who is God?

• What is the meaning of the word BELIEVE?


1. The word GOD connotes SUPREME BEING this means that a God determines what should be or shouldn't be.

2. The word BELIEVE means TRUST therefore if someone says "i believe you" such statement means the speaker trust in what you say or can do.

Now let's go back to the word (ATHEIST) there is no individual who doesn't believe in anything so your definition of Atheist is wrong!

WHY?

Even if you don't believe in any other person at least you will believe in yourself that's why you can pick something up and eat or drink BELIEVING that you can't harm yourself so you have a GOD which is yourself it's something or someone outside your own body or mind that you refused to BELIEVE or TRUST not that you actually don't believe in any God! Genesis 3:5

Now what is the problem with ATHEISM?

It's not a crime trusting yourself but then you have to deal with other intelligent beings around you which leaves you in a tight situation where you MUST BELIEVE in them to continue existing since you can't isolate yourself from other humans like you so in one way or another you must trust or believe someone or something outside your own mind in other to survive.

Another problem with ATHEISM is the fact that since you must deal with other humans around you there must be mutual agreement between you and those around you for peaceful coexistence and since each person has his or her own mind there should be a way to set up standards binding on all so we won't continue offending one another. Now an atheist will say he or she is ready to comply with terms and conditions to a peaceful coexistence but who should set such standards? An average atheist will conclude that such standard should be set by someone who has the ability to punish whoever goes against such rules which leads to a quest for dominance using whatever means to force others to comply with set rules.

The worst part is how some who do claim they are atheists like jeaphoenix will be looking for ways to convince others about his thoughts yet he wants to advocate for atheism where each person is free to determine who they will trust.

By the end ATHEISM leaves the most important question unanswered:

If each person should conclude that there is no God how do we coexist peacefully in the absence of someone who is supreme?

OK!

obonujoker:
Now read and understand.

Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The Bolded part, is it a parable or explanation of the parable Jesus gave?

Did he explain all the parables?

1914

Wonderful thread!

[quote author=Kingsempires post=131595146
]Some person just like to be ignorant. The holy trinity was not invented theophilus of antioch uses the word trinity. Tertullian use the word trinity. This people existed in the 2nd century AD so how is it now the nicene of constantinople that invented the trinity when christians of the second century believe in the trinity ?[/quote]None of us was there when the Bible was written neither are we there when the people you're mentioning were alive so whether your story is true or false we can't know now but one thing is sure:

Jesus' own words can never go unfulfilled he said:

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away. Luke 21:33

So i stand on the assurance Jesus gave us all as he said:

“Either you make the tree fine and its fruit fine or make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten, for by its fruit the tree is known." Matthew 12:33

So if Trinity is from God let us watch and see see how it's able to unite the adherents as Jesus foretold {John 13:34-35} makes them speak in harmony while teaching {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} break the shackles of hatred leading to wars among imperfect humans {Revelations 6:3-4} and fasten the feet of it's adherents to become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word just as Jesus' disciples were known in the first century {Matthew 10:11-13; Romans 10:13-15} Jesus has saved us all these stress when he said "by their FRUITS you will know" Matthew 7:15-20

achorladey:
To ensure your madness and insanities peddling brains remain in that state. Contradictions does not matter or hold when they Russell and Rutherford) are both not alive during same time. Contradiction is not contradiction when people are not alive at the same time. It is light getting brighter

Both of them didn't contradict each other while they were alive that's what light getting brighter means!

achorladey:
Your mini hibernation don end come join me for here
They said at different timezones one was in in Australia the other one was in Middle East
Had your madness and insanities peddling brains worked well you will see that
Jesus the Lord who the Bible called Lord and Savior cannot be the same Pope who your religious organization called the chief of Babylon the great. That is what you call light getting brighter. Na Bridget no be brighter.
Jehovah gba mi ooooo
Russell: Jesus is not even Michael but Lord, son of God
Rutherford: Michael is Pope
MaxInDHouse: Light is getting brighter
Jesus: But when your eye is unhealthy, your whole body is filled with darkness. And if the light you think you have is actually darkness, how deep that darkness is
You are doing yourself with that your lies and manipulations filled brains telling you that your light getting brighter.

So since both of them never contradicted each other while they're alive it simply the light is GETTING BRIGHTER! Proverbs 4:18

achorladey:
When they say they agree with fellow worshipers you will come with your 41000 teaching conflicting and contradicting teachings

It is not an utter embarrassment that Rutherford your religious organization were busy teaching Michael is Pope

The same Michael Russell didn't agree is an Angel

Did Russell and Rutherford said different things at the same time?

Ọmọ the light is getting brighter so Russell and Rutherford will agree with what the organization says today if they are alive now!

Michael547:
Oga leave me and JWs out of this.....go and meet your fellow Trinitarians who says that Michael is Jesus.
When you are done convincing them, we can now have a discussion.

I wonder why they won't settle with their fellow worshipers on matters but wants JWs to agree with them!

A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45

I'm so glad that Jehovah count me worthy to be part of His Happy people! Isaiah 65:13-14

Emusan:
Your nonsense line of thought had being proven to be nonexistent.If you like define and redefine 100 times, your father the Devil do more than and he still failed.

OK nah!

obonujoker:
So why did Jesus talk about worms, wailing, weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell?? Matt 13:41-42?

He was speaking in illustrations! Matthew 13:34

obonujoker:
Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
So what Hell was David talking about here?

After the third day a dead body begins to decay in the Grave (Hell) that's what Martha told Jesus! John 11:39

David was inspired to prophesy regarding Jesus' death that God will not allow Jesus' body to rotten in the grave where he was buried {Act 2:31} and Jesus was raised to fulfill that prophecy!

achorladey:
They hammer the trust into your brains. It is still about the trust.

Ok you mean to say they EARNED my trust shey?

Ọmọ that's correct! 💯

achorladey:
The OP is a real disciple of, wumiwumi100 is a real disciple.

Jesus had many disciples, many of them had been skeptical about his teachings but they are still coping with whatever he says until one faithful day they all had the excuse to abandon him but his twelve Apostles stood with him.

When Jesus asked the twelve:

Will ye also go away? John 6:67

Peter responded:

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. John 6:68-69

If Sand2022 and wumiwumi know anyone else having the sayings of everlasting life let them go to such one nah.

As long as they remain with the GB it means there's no other organization of Holy Ones on this planet apart from Jehovah's Witnesses organization under the supervision of the Governing Body!

achorladey:
You didn't trust them. They hammer it into your brains to do so.

So it's no longer about TRUST but forcing their opinions on me all the way from America to Nigeria with what?
OK they came to my door with AK-47 shey?

Guy no matter how bitter you may be i will always prove wiser than you a million times!

CJStarz:
Na (MaxInDhouse) wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

I repeat:
If anyone wants to approach me let him or her do so RESPECTFULLY and i will gladly oblige i'm not here to banter hurtful words!

Aemmyjah:
Trust is like money.

Have you ever thought of something?

There is no way you can completely trust any human government because they are not perfect but there is one thing that you must completely trust the government of your country:

MONEY!

They can lie to you or deceive you in anything but when it comes to the money they printed even America can't deny it's authenticity.

So ọmọ you're 100% correct TRUST is like MONEY that you can use to transact business that's why all the religions claiming Christians failed to make real disciples like the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses because those religionists are TRUSTING fake money from wrong sources!

There is freewill before the true God so we are free to live our lives anyway we want as long as we won't hurt anyone {2Corinthians 3:17} but when it comes to ASSIGNED DUTIES God gave us we must TRUST (BELIEVE) His directions on how to do it.

So on that note Jesus TRUSTED Jehovah COMPLETELY, the Governing Body TRUSTED Jesus' discretion COMPLETELY and we FULLY TRUSTED the Governing Body COMPLETELY!

Jesus avoided the name of the two first rebels because their names has been turn away from the book of life! Hebrews 11:4

The OP keeps thinking about one group out of thousands claiming Christians it's clear that he knows there is no other organization doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples!

obonujoker:
So in other words, Jesus Christ is a liar?

Jesus didn't speak English so find out what the Hebrew word translated to Hell means.

If someone told you the king of a native American City said he wants to kill you will you just swallow it hook line and sinker when you can find out the meaning of what the king said?