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johnydon22:Yeah, a smaller organism like an ant would notice that change. Brian Greene once pointed that when we observe a thread, we see a seeming one dimension, whereas an ant can navigate the 3 dimensions of that thread. Just like rats hear ultrasonic sounds. |
johnydon22:Hehehe...how you dey? Haven't been seeing much of you lately. |
johnydon22:I was hoping you'd write an epistle. Come on, write an epistle. |
UyiIredia:I think so too. The difference is only at the quantum level. |
tobbie247:In quantum physics you're not permitted to approximate. Quantum change no matter how negligible in the macro world is still change albeit. |
tobbie247:Yes, in theory it does make it heavier, albeit negligibly. Do you know physics? |
cc: sonoflucifer creatrixity sarassin sagamite johnydon22 jayriginal uyiiredia |
Mckandre:I didn't make any statement in the op. I just asked a question. What do you disagree on? That the soul can be thought of as energy or that increase in energy is equivalent to increase in mass? |
destino24:Yeah. I think about it this way: Stored data leads to increase in energy, which is actually an increase in mass according to Einstein's equation (E=mc²). Thus the weight increases, though negligibly. So small would be this change in weight that even the most sensitive balances will not detect it. |
Justycxx:Expatiate please. |
destino24:Do you regard the stored data as photons? |
destino24:Do you regard the stored data as photons? |
Mckandre:You're clearly not thinking scientifically about this. Of course, if the soul is thought of as energy, then a body with a soul would have more mass than a soulless body and would thus weigh more. Think E=mc². Mass-energy equivalence. |
Not sure where to post this. Say you have a 16 GB flash drive. Theoretically or practically, would it weigh more when loaded with data than when the storage is empty? |
multikolour:Well, first class graduates aren't necessarily geniuses, and I don't see a lot of them laying claim to the genius status just by virtue of the grade they graduated with. So, people should change their mindsets about first class peeps being geniuses. @ the bolded, people do change. They do improve academically. Some first class graduates didn't do too well at high school level. Some were even average or poor students, but at a stage, they took conscious decisions and made efforts to improve. The fact that they only improved later doesn't mean they do not merit the results they graduated with. |
LILGWANZ:With people like you, Nigeria is hopeless. You hate someone for being upright? Later you'll be making noise about politicians and corruption. Where do you think it all starts from? A young person who has no qualms with bribing invigilators and getting help in waec today, will have no qualms looting the state treasury tomorrow. Funny thing is that y'all go to church and mosque and make pretensions to being the paradigm of righteousness, but you have no qualms involving unabashedly in exam malpractice. And now you're hating on someone who refuses to do it? Shame! |
branhampaul:First, I'll like you to know that you're doing the right thing. Big ups to you. This is Nigeria though, and corruption is so very pervasive here. Those who you're going to report to are corrupt too, and you might just end up falling victim. Exam malpractice has been deeply entrenched in the Nigerian system even before you were born, and sadly it won't change now that you're writing waec. So, ignore them and keep burning your candles and writing on your own. You will reap the benefits. Forget about those who are being assisted now. Carryovers await them in the university. |
That's all we know how to do in this part of the world- pray and do nothing. We have been undergoing very harsh conditions and seeing stark corruption since the pre-panama papers days, so this revelation doesn't shock us at all. It's the Westerners that can be shocked. We have lost that ability, sadly. |
ElCount:http://ncse.com/cej/2/4/tripping-over-trilobite-study-meister-tracks |
ElCount:So, your brain doesn't tell you that in the long term, these little changes will sum up into a large one? Simple mathematics: If we continue adding a small decimal like 0.00000001 to say 2, it will gradually approach 2.1. There's an adage which I'm sure you know: little drops of water make a mighty ocean. Secondly, the layer of sedimentary rocks you are talking about alongside the fossils is the geologic column. For your information that was assembled artificially by geologist and even at that its still not complete, you will think someone who claimed to be enlightened as you do would know that, I am not going to go deep into that but I will just ask you:I don't know what you mean by artificially. Do you think geologic columns are inferred without evidence? Nature has already done the assembling. All we have to do is observe and infer. It is from these observable strata that we make inferences about geologic columns and section geologic time into Eons, Eras, Periods and Epochs. Ever heard of the Grand Canyon? The ages of these layers and the fossils found in them are estimated from radiometric dating, I'm sure you know. They aren't precise values as they come with error margins, but they do give us an estimate which cannot be too far from the exact value. For example, carbon dating has been observed to correlate with historically dated documents. and how come in the geologic column if it was actually formed over millions and billions of years as they claim, how come there are no traces of erosion, don't you think the rain would have left some marks? Learn to ask the right questions.There is a phenomenon geologists call "unconformity". It is a break or hiatus in the deposition of rocks. Sometimes this hiatus is marked by an erosional surface, sometimes it isn't, depending on the rapidity and mode of deposition. So, actually there are traces of erosion in layered rocks. I don't know what you mean by more complex fossils I personally don't believe in that. the Trilobite is considered an index fossil by the evolutionist and very ancient, how is it that such an ancient organism ended up with one of the most sophisticated eyes ever known? Perhaps you didn't know about thatBy complexity I mean the level of organism development or sophistication. You find less sophisticated organisms like trilobites in lower layers, and more sophisticated ones like mammals in upper layers which correspond to later times in the geologic time scale. If trilobite's aren't ancient, why are they found several layers below in the Paleozoic Era while hominid fossils occur many layers above in the Quaternary? Why the huge gap? Thirdly, DNA sequencing doesn't tell you anything about ancestors that's one atrocious logic common with evolutionists. The Niger bridge and the third mainland bridge are both made of iron, therefore the Niger bridge is an ancestor of the third mainland bridge that's how ridiculous you guys sound.The bolded is blarney. Are bridges or iron organic? Have you observed bridges begetting young ones. Very crude and vacuous analogy there. Assuming a designer only raises an infinite regress of questions. A designer who is outside the universe is beyond the scope of science. For that designer to be within the scope of science, it would have to be testable or observable. Since this isn't the case, it becomes non germane to our purposes. Occam's razor mandates that we cut it out. Science leaves that to metaphysics. Scientist can believe whatever they want they are the ones coming up with the theories to avoid the God question so if they don't believe their theory who will.The Catholic Church doesn't distinguish between macro or micro evolution. Here is what they say: [b]Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him. Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are. While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution. [/b] You'd notice the definite position on "human evolution". I suppose that is what you'll call "macroevolution". Finally, take your own advice, the internet and all informations are at your fingertips make good use of them and stop paddling a boat in ignorance. Ask the right questions. You guys are the ones to always claim to be smart and enlightened but when you start talking ignorance starts oozing out of all your orificesCalm down. Why the constant allusion to atheists claiming to be smarter? Do you feel intimidated by atheists? |
ElCount:You are pained, eh? Evolution has no evidence, yet it can be observed on a small scale in the lab. Why isn't Fleming's penicillin used to treat malaria today? Of course the causal organisms evolve new ways of combating the medicine, and thus there must be continued medical research in order to beat it. Evolution has no evidence and yet we observe layer upon layer of sedimentary rocks housing fossils in an increasing order of complexity from bottom to top. Never do you find a more complex fossil below a simpler one. NEVER! Evolution has no evidence and yet the genome of organisms derived from DNA sequencing tell us all organisms descended from a common ancestor and speciation only occurred as time passed. Evolution has no evidence and yet reputable scientists the world over believe in it. Evolution has no evidence and the Catholic Church acknowledges it. Evolution has no evidence and many believers who are also scientists believe in it and have sought ways to reconcile it with scripture. Evolution has no evidence and Christian apologists argue that god directed the entire process of evolution. But really, why should I take you seriously? With the internet and all the information at your finger tips, you have wilfully chosen to wallow in ignorance. In the 21st century, you say something as vacuous as, "there is no evidence for evolution". It is your prerogative though. You know nothing, John Snow. |
ElCount:Oga, Hitler wasn't an atheist. Even if he was, how does that affect the theory and fact of evolution? You want us to dismiss a theory for which there is an overwhelming body of evidence because one psychopath chose to use it to further his genocidal aims? Hitler also used the antisemitic writings of the reformer Martin Luther to justify his pogrom. Why don't you dismiss Luther and the reformation then? Next time, do your homework well before coming here to spew drivel. |
My obsession with god and religion led me down the path of atheism. I became born again at an early age and my life began to revolve around religious stuff. I had religious meetings to attend almost throughout the week. I also began to read the bible and lots of religious books. Some of these books introduced me to men like Voltaire and Gibbon, who were portrayed in bad light. As I read the bible daily, I began to have problems. God seemed so malevolent and regarded malevolent humans as dear servants of his. He also clearly showed favouritism. I sympathized with several people killed by God in the bible. I began to get perplexed as it became clear that god did things I couldn't do, and I was supposed to be totally depraved and he infinitely good. Also, I began getting worried about prayer. It didn't work. It was hard to admit, but I later summoned up the courage to admit this. I began to think, "look at the world. would it be any different if there were no god?" As far as I saw, the world seemed devoid of god. Things were ordinary. Nothing special or supernatural in everyday life. I then concluded that there was no god in my own life. I called myself agnostic. I thought atheism was too extreme. With time, I realized that my agnosticism meant atheism. I didn't believe because I didn't know. So, that's my story in brief. |
ERODEDEAST:Way to miss the point. |
The op is too dumb to realize nobody takes her seriously.
*Ah seen it all on nairaland. Ah tells ya. Ah seen it all* |
everydayperson:Even you taya for am. |
How can one get back one's NIN? I can't find mine on my phone anymore. |
jayriginal:Bros, I tire o. |
vooks:Harris isn't omniscient and omnipotent now, is he? If he had those qualities, he sure would obviate the need for such "devastation" and wouldn't need to justify anything. But your god, he has these qualities but still needs people like Ravi to compare him with another human like Harris, in order to justify his misdeeds. Like l hinted before, this fictional story betrays Ravi's true feelings, what he'd love to see everywhere where someone became an atheist. I actually thought this book would contain some new argument I had never seen before in defense of god. That's why I left the serious books I was reading to look at it. But disappointedly, it contains the same trite and flawed arguments that have been refuted time and time again by atheists. The unique thing with this author however, is how he often appeals to emotions in order to blackmail his readers. And this guy seems to have personal issues with Harris. He seems intimidated by the man and his influence. I'd like to see the two have a one on one debate. For the nonbelievers here who haven't read the book, you might just want to take a peek. It's an easy read actually, I'll give it that, but it lacks substance and is rife with trite assumptions and will leave you shaking your head several times. I don't regret reading it though. Coincidentally, a friend tried introducing me to Ravi yesterday, but thanks to vooks, I'd already met him. |
vooks:I was disappointed by the way the book started in the prologue. A child becomes an atheist and so his family begins to fall apart, and his pious christian mother commits suicide. How absurd. The pious mother is so distressed by something as trivial as her son losing his faith (granted it isn't trivial to her), that she ends up violating the tenets of the faith herself as a solution. And the fault isn't the parents' who weren't mature enough to handle the situation as adults but allowed their family fall apart because of a single black sheep. No, the fault is the atheist's. Then he goes on to tell us this story is fiction. Here, Ravi betrays his true feelings. He would definitely love it if this macabre fictional story of his played out in every home where someone became an atheist. For that would at once prove his point that atheism is detrimental. But thankfully, this isn't the case. He then accuses Harris of appealing to emotions. Tell me, if the fictional tale in his prologue isn't an appeal to emotions, then what is it? In fact, he ends the book with another appeal to emotions. His arguments are the same generic apologetic ones atheists are familiar with. How morality is the exclusive preserve of the Judeo-Christian god. How man is incapable of building a moral framework because man is totally depraved. He then cites examples to show man is inherently evil. He ignores cases that appear to prove otherwise. He keeps rehashing bromides and tries to convince his reader that Harris is such a terrible person. I stopped expecting anything serious from this book after reading that prologue. I've read better christian apologetics than this. C.S Lewis comes to mind. BTW, I thought this book was a response to "The End of Faith", judging by the title. |
vooks:Done. Will share my thoughts later. |
vooks:I will. |

first of all I hate people like you.imagine this boy planning on getting 1st in waec