Christianity Etc › Re: why anything God Does Or Commanded Morally Good; Can We Be Justified To Do Same by menesheh(op): 4:05pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
winner01: Why do you care about theists this much?  Do you care this much for your family members who are theists? You invest so much time in others and leave your folks to wallow in their mud of "delusions". Shows you are timid, insecure, confused, unstable and being hateful especially to your folks.
I only needed to read the topic to know that its the same stale rant on a God you don't believe. And i believe i've asked the following questions on this topic of morality severally with no sensible answer from any atheist. What is morality? Where did morality come from? Couldn't morality also be an indoctrination? Is there a universal standard for morality? Did society reach a consensus to define what morality is, putting into consideration the desires/orientation of rapists, ritualists, robbers, paedophiles e.t.c.? How can we rely on a moral guide passed on to us from ancient stone age men whose level of sanity couldn't be verified.? Seems to me like you have dropped christianity but are still holding on to its definition of morality, don't ask, i'm sure you've never probed the origination of morality.? Who is moral.? How can i be compelled to follow man-made laws which subdue and immobilizes my personal orientations? Isnt that tyranny?
You say we are animals on one hand, and then tell us that we are naturally good even when evidence proves the contrary https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8EC0A1C97517C929
If morality is subjective as the atheist believes, then no human (none atall) can ever make sense on what is good and what is not as long as i'm pleased with what i'm doing. Every thing is permissible because what you consider good might be bad to an assassin. http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/peoplegood.html
A more reasonable atheist has made a great point in the picture below. This world is a causeless and meaningless coincidence right, then why try to make meaning of the meaningless? 
You're screwed. Lets just survive airheads.  All of these are logical fallacies. The predominant fallacy is from ignorant. Sorry not meant to offend you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: why anything God Does Or Commanded Morally Good; Can We Be Justified To Do Same by menesheh(op): 3:32pm On Jan 10, 2016*. Modified: 4:02pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
malvisguy212: firstly, they are not children, they are young men, the king James translation also use the same word concerning the isrealite, ( the children of isreal) are the isrealite ALL children ? The rest translation translated YOUNG MEN.
Secondly, the Text say "Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.” they are more than 42, this is large demonstrations of this youth, two ordinary bear cannot eat 42 youth. Let us read the verse again.
2 Kings 2:23–24 23 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, che cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
We are not talking about 42 youth, we are talking about LARGE numbers of people, furthermore, this youth mock him saying "go up their you baldheaded ".it is more than making fun of baldness, it is in reference to elijah his master, who God took, they are mocking the way God took elijah, by saying to elisha"go up there" . This is large group of youth demonstrating against God prophet. Elisha pray and God heard him. First of all, i can't imagine a sane person believing for a second a book based on translations upon translations, copies upon copies by different people that assume absolute authority over a book in the cause of thousands of years. Second is that you pick and choose the point you feel you can easily defend thereby evading to comment on the central theme of the post. Now tell me, is there any time it is justifiable to kill a human on the context of making mockery of a prophet. Are Muslims justified by killing people because of the cartoon of their prophet. This is like assuming a position or a believe system, then start scrambling for any possible justification to cover up errors inherent in the believe system. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How To Be God by menesheh(m): 3:04pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
SirWere: Hahahaha
26) Select appointed men who milk their congregation of their hard earned money in your name while they remind them that they don't need money to see you
Cc hahn, menesheh, johnydon22 and others It will be much more accommodating if non-abstract person assumed to be in the position of a god with those tricks than an illusion of a superman character. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Or Devil: Who Should Be Feared More? by menesheh(m): 12:33pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
johnydon22: Lol.. wonder what you people take us for, People who haven't read the bible before.
Biblical Quotations is not exactly same as facts please don't mistake the two.. those quotations are just same babble of claims as you have been spewing here..
Know this today in terms of future reference, it is ridiculous to quote the bible to someone who doubts your faith..
This is like me quoting LORD OF THE RINGS by J.R.R Tolkien to show you Gandalf exists.
Anyway call me when you have a biblical quotation with an Igbo name on top or one addressing the Igbo people and not the Romans bro. Quotations with igbo name will be manageable. funny  |
Christianity Etc › Re: why anything God Does Or Commanded Morally Good; Can We Be Justified To Do Same by menesheh(op): 12:26pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
vooks: Idiot, If you miss me just say so If you need my input, make your request If you love my moniker, feel free to name your son...he may just take up my exceptional intelligence Nice and godly reply. |
Christianity Etc › Re: why anything God Does Or Commanded Morally Good; Can We Be Justified To Do Same by menesheh(op): 12:25pm On Jan 10, 2016*. Modified: 3:05pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
CHARLOE: @ op, i've asked similar questions severally; what rights do d IsrAelites, for example, have to invade a peaceful city like Jericho/Canaan? these people of Canaan had developed their land n agriculture to produce larger Dan normal food crops, were well fed n looked bigger Dan d average man dat d IsrAeli spies described dem as giants. This peAceful n prosperous city was invaded n attacked by d Israelites, plundered, massacred n taken over. fast forward thousands of yrs later, xtians are celebrating dis invasion n genocidal attack in churches, singing; 'd walls of Jericho came down flat' There is no apparent reason for such command and massacre. This is like ancient tribal war between communities, each pledging for the voice of an assumed deity to help them to wipe their opponents. I always posit that even the most wicked nation on earth now are much more morally upright than the Bible's representation of the activities of ancient Isrealite. |
Christianity Etc › why anything God Does Or Commanded Morally Good; Can We Be Justified To Do Same by menesheh(op): 7:51am On Jan 10, 2016*. Modified: 1:00am On Feb 03, 2016 |
I find it distasteful how we tend to justify the actions and commands from God as represented in the bible to be morally good. we assume that whatever God said or does to be necessarily morally right, whether or not it is morally reprehensive. It doesn't matter our humanly (mundane) perception of such actions, either because we couldn't see the bigger picture or that we don't know the mind of God (just God can do anything) These numerous actions and commands ranges from killing every living thing by flooding, ground opening up and swallowing people opposing the leadership of Moses , killing of neighboring people (towns) around Israeli settlements, turning lot's wife to salt for mere looking back at a burning city, and many similar hideous Divine events as recorded in the bible and other holy books. If it is moral for God to do all these things, wouldn't it be morally upright for a person to do them too. If the answer is no, does that means there is set of morals for a God and another set of rules that govern us. The idea that it is immoral for me to kill someone, but then replace me with God, it will be morally justified. I can't imagine in 2kings chap 2:23-24 where God sent bears that killed 42 kids because they mocked an old man. Is it morally justified for anyone to do same as an authority. How is it good to send bears to kill some youths because they didn't do any other thing than name calling at this point. Take the cases of Adolf Hitler of Western Germany  and Idi Amin of Uganda, should we say that they are justified for consuming millions of lives for no just cause other than being authorities. It seems to me as this saying goes "do as i said but don't do as i do" scenario where a person that assumed supreme position of leadership or authority can do anything at all and it automatically become justifiably good. bxcode, lacasticala |
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:48am On Jan 10, 2016 |
bxcode: I get your point, but evolution is still under debate even in prestigious universities as an talking to you sir, am a keen follower of the numerous discussions to that effect, I wish you can get to see some of the videos I have to that effect. Remember what I asked initially, evolution in terms of change of kind from one to another like canine to birds, to humans and so on and not fossils records that predates back to millions of years. So what are those unrefuted observable evidences that you can simply point out now as far as evolution is concerned, one which I don't have to receive by faith before we advance to more complex scientific assumptions and populations which as a matter of fact I can't say much about. Since evolution is our level playing ground, I don't think it will be so hard to prove that sir with evidence on your own part. You follow debates and discussions on evolution and have videos to that effect? you fail to understand that evolution is not philosophical but demonstrations of reality backed by simple (layman observable effects) to complex irrefutable evidence like the DNA genomics. Maybe you follow discussions by creationists and non-experts in the field. There is nothing like animals changes from "kind" to "kind" in evolution but the evolutionary changes of species overtime due to DNA variations via natural selection, gene pool etc. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:45pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
texanomaly: An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said, "Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger."
The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, "What would you want to talk about?"
"Oh, I don't know," said the atheist. "How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?" as he smiled smugly.
"Okay," she said. "Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?"
The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, "Hmmm, I have no idea." To which the little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don't know crap?"
And then she went back to reading her book.  This is so ambiguous that it makes no sense. If the little girl (though she is a little girl to understand) feels she can't discuss such topic that are forming the actions of billions of people around the world, either because it is so mysterious and complex, sorry, her brain is so feeble-minded in thought. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:27pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Hahahahaha..... You really have a good sense of humor. Am driving sir, I will quote you later this evening, till then. Stay cool. sure! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:16pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Lol fear if afterlife.... lolzzz Am ready to die the next second bro for what I believe in. Perfect love casts out fear. I know where am going bro by faith. So you know you will meet him in the afterlife but still thinks he dosent exist here? Bro that's some thinking there honestly, don't you see the deception in what you just said? No amount of believe makes something a fact. you have to first live your life the best you can make out of it and stop worrying about afterlife of which you are aware that there is zero evidence to such ideology. The only evidence there is in is that it was written in a book some thousands of years by a culture, enforced for everyone to believe by an empire via sword. Nothing more or less. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Just Sat And Thought About How Good God Is? by menesheh(m): 3:17pm On Jan 08, 2016 |
winner01: You will side with anything to remain relevant, secularism is not atheism. Secularism simply does not involves God in its government and parts of society. Atheism is a sure standpoint that God does not exist. Many christians are heads of secularist societies and countries. Many christians live in secularist countries and secularism is tolerant to human rights I was the vice president of my dept as an undergraduate and it was needless to bring Christianity into my speeches or gatherings. A good way i could preach the gospel was through my attitude and lifestyle. Does this mean im a secularist?.
Either you like it or not, you and your beliefs are seriously irrelevant and thats why you cling to naturalism, secularism, science and even religion. Many theists and deists are major stakeholders in secularist governments, it dosent make them alesser christian. Secularism is tolerant, atheism governance is so intolerant and insensitive to human rights and cant even be compared to islams intolerance. North korea and china are good examples.
If atheism spread, it would become a religion as intolerable as the ancient ones. --Gustave le Bon
In the holy book, followers of Christ are called christians and are bound by no earthly law or government and i think this is the greatest threat to the small box in which atheists have put themselves. With the above highlighted, i don't think we have much to discuss on this topic. You continue misinterpreting and misrepresent what atheism is all about. And i have corrected you severally on that. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Just Sat And Thought About How Good God Is? by menesheh(m): 12:17pm On Jan 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I wonder why people mistake secularism and irreligiosity for atheism . . Being irreligious or a secularist does not make you an atheist . Deists are a perfect example of secularists and irreligious people If you refuse to look at your dictionary, then assume meaning of stuffs from your head, you may be wrong sometimes and in addition, blinded by it, brother. Atheism and religiosity are dragging Japan, Luxembourg, UK, France etc, almost atheistic countries. Alright. let's not argue about this, if you care to know more facts about secularism in relation to atheism and religiosity, Wikipedia and other research materials will always come to your rescue. |
Christianity Etc › Re: £100 To Any Christian Who Can Prove The Hindu God Doesn't Exist by menesheh(m): 10:53am On Jan 08, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Just Sat And Thought About How Good God Is? by menesheh(m): 10:26am On Jan 08, 2016 |
winner01: Somehow, someway, you still have failed to realise that what you all do here day and night is to convert people to your ideologies. The major message we are enjoined to preach is love. And that love encompasses assisting people to prosper, be in good health and ultimately salvation.
@bolded, what is good? And how can we determine good considering the fact that you're just an higher animal. Why aren't you referring to "good" as an indoctrination, passed on from ancient men whose level of sanity couldnt be verified . Is there a universal standard to verify what you mean by good?, or are you living on your own "indoctrination" of good- probably the good of christianity. Why dont you people ever want to probe the origination of anything else? 
Secularity dosent care about humanity, you people for example keep confirming that truth. Islam kills people everyday, I dont see any of you on islams page trying to prevent them from becoming future terrorists. The day you raise an organisation in the name of atheism that seeks to tackle poverty, malnutrition, hope to the sick, prison inmates etc and not just an evangelical message of hate towards the christian God. Then maybe ill think about what you're saying. But for now, you all are the selfish, and confident hypocrites. How many times will i tell that you have a fundamentalist idea of secularism and disbelief (atheism). Even in your holy book, there is no difference between morals before the advent of the purported law giver, to the living standards and morals of the people afterwards. laying emphasis from the bible; lethal harms to human deteriorates via those laws assumed issued by a deity that commanded the killing of fellow human outside of their immediate altruistic enclave, killing of gay, killing of witches and a bunch of other horrid laws. Secularism (atheism) bleeds compliance to objective laws, empathy, taking responsibility for errors and crime, name them. we have breathing Examples of secular countries and religious ones, compare and contrast how they fare on morality. Of which you are aware secularism achieved greater compliance to objective laws, even the objective laws in your bible than its religious counterparts. |
Science/Technology › Re: Human Impact Has Pushed Earth Into The Anthropocene, Scientists Say by menesheh(m): 8:28am On Jan 08, 2016 |
johnydon22: [b]
Humana are the most idiotic unintelligent species i know..
First they invent invisible Gods and then they worship and revere these invisible Gods and then they neglect and destroy visible nature. I disagree with you here on some points, human are the most intelligent specie. The higher their consciousness, the need to discover why they are here and from where they came from. The best answer that is appealing and seemed plausible ( even you will comform to that too then) is supernatural. what other ways would you feel like bronze age men ought have reacted seeing the sun rising everyday, unseen wind blowing its ass off, genealogies and complexities of varieties of animal species etc. I ve stopped blaming human on the path we threaded and still Counting, from the unknown to physical explanations we have today. Not knowing that their continuous existence is not dependent on the invisible Gods they worship but on the visible nature they neglect and destroy.
One day the earth will cry, she will cry for her life. and we will have to make a choice whether to help her or not and while at it we should remember that if we let her die, we die with her.
Humans are threats both to the planet we live in and other species we share this planet with because in our simplistic arrogance we have deluded our selves with the absurd belief that this planet and every other thing in it(including other life forms we share the planet with) was made for us to with what ever we please. [/b] since we are part of the unconscious universals, we and other animals have been unconsciously interacting with the universe for millions of years past, until recently we discovered science and are still doing more science to discover more in order to abate human and natural disasters within our reachable sphere. My contention is that we got to do much more to share informations that are based on facts derived from evidence, critical evaluation and prove. you could imagine that the Republican in the United States still doubt global warming and are vouching that if elected, will scrap those stuffs. I feel like religion and contemporary scientific facts are the unconscious normal process of our human nature and the universe. From simple and naive beginning to upmost complexity and intelligence. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Know That Many Verses Has Been Deleted From NIV, ESV? See Deleted Verses by menesheh(m): 7:45am On Jan 08, 2016 |
They are trying to put your delusion book in shape from its erroneous and contradictive state while you are here ranting satan this and that. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Is Real (scientific Proof) by menesheh(m): 7:28am On Jan 08, 2016 |
mrZENographer: Liar. That website is more of a BS than amateur photographers. He just changed the story to scientist trying to dig a well and it wasnt deep. WELL, they are geologists. They are not farmers. He also barks about God being "a cartoon of a legend'. I guess he's only fantasies are cartoons. He wishes those were real.
And of course they MUST HAVE BEEN grievous and strict attempts to stop those geologists expedition or any future expeditions by sources that cannot keep quiet about their findings. As it would be a world eye opener. And the illuminats loose their hold on deceived people What of the unscientific prove of hell. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Just Sat And Thought About How Good God Is? by menesheh(m): 7:21am On Jan 08, 2016 |
dalaman: Two questions. What are earthquakes and hurricanes perfectly designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system and and deadly mutations that causes deformity, what were they perfectly designed for?
What are the scientific findings that have been confirmed by the bible? I've asked you but you keep running away from it? Please tell |
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 7:15am On Jan 08, 2016*. Modified: 1:31pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Honestly, I haven't come across the abogerine creation myth before and I can't say much about it. But coming to the Jewish creation analogy that the Op is making jest of, I can say that I believe in it because that's what is contained in the bible.I believe that there are many belief system in the world today each trying to lay claim as the best among rest, but one thing is fascinating about the analogy contained in the bible, it has has a culminating end about a resurrected messiah who is still alive today in the person of Jesus and no other belief system has that same pattern. That means you are a bit convince of Jewish creation myth because it feels good and convincing but That doesn't make it true or you care less whether it is true or not. Jesus is still alive but you can't see him, or have good valid ways of detecting it's presence makes you thriving in the believe in imageries like other oceans of its kind. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Just Sat And Thought About How Good God Is? by menesheh(m): 6:57am On Jan 08, 2016*. Modified: 9:04am On Jan 08, 2016 |
winner01: "God is good to me" is different from "God is good to me but not to others.
Christians fill hospitals, giving hope to the hopeless on death beds, prison yards, motherless homes, remand homes, charitable foundations.
I see how insensitive christians are to others plights  Happy new year. Most christians are good by default. Those good deeds done in the name of Christianity comes with a price. Do good for the sake of good not for a reward or with the intention to convert one to your ideology. By the way, tell me any of those good deeds that can be achieve through the said tag name that can't be achieve through secular means. |
Christianity Etc › Re: SEE PHOTOS : Popular Pastor Acquires Third Private Jet by menesheh(m): 7:10pm On Jan 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Should we now thank void for the "facts" you have presented ? Happy new year brotherly. Hoping old things have passed away and new year resolutions have taken the place of abusive way of conversing. You mustn't thank anything, just be yourself and be responsible. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 7:05pm On Jan 07, 2016 |
bxcode: I wonder where it all went wrong for you.... but keep up what you are doing, its a choice you've made. But the fact still remains that God still remains God and your little internet agenda against him won't change anything. Can we actually become friends for real? Maybe get time to hang out and dialogue constructively, I can assure you any wrong notion it experience you've had about him will change. What say thee? Don't mind him, he really need jesus to touch his heart. By the way, tell me the percentage you believed the old testament creation stories of Adam and eve (from 1 to 100 % rating) because all peoples around the world have origin myths, to account for where they came from. Many tribal origin myths talk only about that one particular tribe – as though other tribes don’t count! In the same way, many tribes have a rule that they mustn’t kill people – but ‘people’ turns out to mean only others of your own tribe. Killing members of other tribes is just fine! Here’s a typical origin myth, from a group of Tasmanian aborigines. A god called Moinee was defeated by a rival god called Dromerdeener in a terrible battle up in the stars. Moinee fell out of the stars down to Tasmania to die. Before he died, he wanted to give a last blessing to his final resting place, so he decided to create humans. But he was in such a hurry, knowing he was dying, that he forgot to give them knees; and (no doubt distracted by his plight) he absent-mindedly gave them big tails like kangaroos, which meant they couldn’t sitdown. Then he died. The people hated having kangaroo tails and no knees, and they cried out to the heavens for help. The mighty Dromerdeener, who was still roaring around the sky on his victory parade, heard their cry and came down to Tasmania to see what the matter was. He took pity on the people, gave them bendable knees and cut off their inconvenient kangaroo tails so they could all sit down at last; and they lived happily ever after.Tell me you believe or don't believe the Tasmanian's aborigine creation myth and what makes it different from the above jest sonoflucifer is making about local Jewish creation myth. |
Christianity Etc › Re: SEE PHOTOS : Popular Pastor Acquires Third Private Jet by menesheh(m): 6:43pm On Jan 07, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: God Is Beyond Human Reason by menesheh(m): 6:37pm On Jan 07, 2016 |
samju100: if you continue to use human reason @ a point u will get confuse whether there a God or not. If you really understand the meaning of abstract concept, you will then desist from thriving in delusion and the imageries. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Just Sat And Thought About How Good God Is? by menesheh(m): 3:18pm On Jan 07, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: 3 million newborn babies die every year around the globe. Over 60% of Nigerians are suffering in poverty. Yes, god is so good.  False pretence. God is good to me but not to others demonstrably makes one insensitive to others plight. It is asinine. |
Travel › Re: Idanre Town - A Scenic Treasure In The Mountains. by menesheh(m): 5:06pm On Jan 06, 2016 |
Awesome |
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wachakuta: Wooooow
I'm short of words!
If all governors could think lik dis.. nobody will go afte d FG... some people don't even know d name of thier state govr but they can come hia and criticise PMB..
Better go n criticise those thieves u ve as governors While PMB and his minions don't know about this fascinating fact some few months ago. |
Christianity Etc › Re: See Photos Of The Newly Unveiled Statue Of Jesus In Nigeria by menesheh(m): 7:56am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Nossa: it's not an image for worship, it's just a statue and sign that the region is of the Lord What are you even trying to justify. Is the status not an image which the bible frowned against. Money meant for the public wellbeing is being used to raise a status for unsubstantiated divine nonsense. Use this fund and train some poor smart brains in Imo state, then wait and see the effect in few years ahead. |
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Bar and hardcore stoning  |
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Matt Dillahunty |
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Religion |