₦airaland Forum

May she rest till she wakes in the morning.

Meanwhile, who was the officiating minister/church?
What was the sermon?

Besides, the investigations into cause of that tragedy has died and buried.

Nothing sells like bad news, and Nigeria has a big market for it.

MMM is back but we are twisting the news negatively.

Are we looking at the half filled glass or half empty glass?

jiggaz:
When God created man, He did not intend for man to grow old, become weak and powerless, suffer diseases and die—first the physical death, then the second or eternal death.

Like seriously?

Why was man not given eternal life and forbidden to eat of the tree of life, in the first place?

Another thing I am beginning to see as evil is "underserved favour."

Why else did the Bible say "Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth?"
There is nothing like underserved favour with God.

Even in our human experience, if a man is given a job because of favoritism (underserved favour) and ends up not being able to deliver on the job and the business or company suffers, who do we blame?

Show me one "illiterate" (one averse to study) that God used to lead his people? From Moses (a well lettered prince) to the prophets (professors of law and divination) to the apostles ( well lettered lawyers, doctors and magnates)

Presidiotbuhari:
^^
I asked u a simple question, instead of yes or no u start writing a meaningless epistle. Smh

I am neither an afonja nor a flat_head, I am a Nigerian.

Presidiotbuhari:
^^^
Are u an afonja? Because only them chuckles at the mention of BIAFRA

Can't you read/comment without sentiments?

What I posted there are Historical facts, not twisting a topic to fit a preconceived notion.

Does it mean any one that points out a flaw in the Biafra argument is an afonja? smh

Can't you see the error in Igbos claiming Biafra, when the original use of the word and the territories didn't refer to igbos/igboland alone or in particular?

What of the other lands outside Nigeria, in Cameroon, Gabon, Gambia, which were referred to as Biafra?

Ubenedictus:
It did not start under buhari but it is gradually getting worse.

are u sure kukah ever campaign for jonah from d pulpit? no lie by mistake oh.

Is kukah speaking for himself alone or were there no pastors et al that used their pulpit to campaign, both for and against GEJ/PMB?

iamhorny:
use your head mr man, nobody is relating it to secession

If you had used yours, you did ask yourself why the topic was worded the way it is.

"Reading between the lines" is not just a saying.

How is the history of the Presbyterian Church Nigeria synonymous with the history of Biafra secesionism?

Meaning of "Biafra" and location

Little is known about the literal meaning of the word Biafra. The word Biafra most likely derives from the subgroup Biafar or Biafada[46] of the Tenda ethnic group who reside primarily in Guinea-Bissau.[47] Manuel Álvares (1526–1583), a Portuguese Jesuit educator, in his work Ethiopia Minor and a geographical account of the Province of Sierra Leone,[48] writes about the "Biafar heathen" in chapter 13 of the same book.[49] The word Biafar thus appears to have been a common word in the Portuguese language back in the 16th century.

Historical maps
Early modern maps of Africa from the 15th–19th centuries, drawn by European cartographers from accounts written by explorers and travellers, reveal some information about Biafra:

The original word used by the European travellers was not Biafra but Biafara,[50][51] Biafar[52] and sometimes also Biafares.[53]
The exact original region of Biafra is not restricted to Eastern Nigeria alone. According to the maps, the European travellers used the word Biafara to describe the entire region east of River Niger going down to the Mount Cameroon region, thus including Cameroon and a large area around Gabon.The Bight of Biafra lies in the present South-South Region of Nigeria and was renamed to Bight of Bonny by the Nigerian Government. The word Biafara also appears on maps from the 18th century in the area around Gambia.[54]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biafra

"I think that unless Nigeria as a country is prepared to make laws and ensure that all citizens live by same and be answerable by the same law, what we are witnessing is a symptom, not the disease. The creeping inequalities, the inability of this system to deliver has made us uncomfortable.

“The point, therefore, is not for us to keep praying. Should religion lead to the un-making of Nigeria? The answer is ‘No’. But the government of Nigeria should separate religion from politics and economics and let everybody make his claims.”

Hhhhhhmmmm
@bolded, started in this PMB era, abi?

Religion should be separated from politics? But you guys used your pulpits to campaign for GEJ, why complain now?

What "claims" is he referring to?

2dugged:
truth?, hehehehe, make no mistake, I am not running, but when i see that the delusion of a person is beyond redemption, I have better threads to comment on than to spend days pointing out one same thing over and over to you, adiós

I feel the same way too.

2dugged:
Oga leave me alone,i have made my point, goodnight

What point did you make?

Hahahahahahahaha

Thou shall not run for there is no hiding place from the Truth.

The way our government agencies dey reason baffles me, bitcoin is not under any government control or regulation, which is its basic, cardinal principle.

Why does SEC talk of government authorization, guidelines and regulations then?
Do these guys understand what is bitcoin?

Besides, there is no "safe" business/investment devoid of risk.

Where did you say it happens?

2dugged:
we are saying the same thing, you cannot associate believe with atheism rather "acknowledging the existence" is what atheism stands for, seems you don't know the difference between the two, go back and read mark's response to the Facebook user's question,maybe you will get a clearer picture, and you should also find out the concept of atheism too, stop confusing the two and by extension confusing yourself as well, I don't know how else to explain to you,have a nice day

There is an angle to this argument that I wanted to avoid, but you are pushing it there.

If you say: "that I don't believe in it (Baal), doesn't make me an atheist," and an atheist by "your" definition is one who doesn't "acknowledge the existence" of God or gods.

It therefore means that since you are not an atheist, and you acknowledge the existence of Baal, and existence by definition means "the fact or state of living or having objective reality." It therefore means that Baal is a living God. This by extension means you don't believe in a living God.

And that being the case, it means the claim that the Christian God (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the only living God is a fallacy.

this will take us to polytheism which is in direct contravention of the Christian monotheism, are you ready to go there?

As used here, "God" is singular while "gods" is plural. Same as "Orange" doesn't taste differently from "oranges."

Hope you had a great day?

Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.
~ Winston Churchill

The above doesn't say anything about loss of enthusiasm by a third party (the club or fans, in this case), so let's see how it plays out.

2dugged:
the difference between me and you is that I do recognize it's existence unlike you atheist who deceive yourselves by trying to dispute the existence of God, if you are not trying to be mischievous, why take the first sentence and throw away the explanation I gave to buttress my point? , now let me point out your confusion and make it very clear for you , there is a difference between " I don't believe in God " and God does not exist ", so my friend don't try to be sneaky by taking the first line of my post, it doesn't tell well of you

My question was well defined, I never asked about existence but believe, which you answered. I don't see how sneaky I was in asking that.

Your answer was simple, concise and cannot be misconstrued, so why the digressional explanation about existence?

@bolded, is that an attempt at emotional blackmail?

2dugged:
you seem to confuse believing in something and admitting it's existence, they are not the same,that is the point I want you to get

Here is what you said:
that I don't believe in it doesn't make me an atheist

If I should use your words, then:
"that I don't believe in Allah doesn't make me an atheist"

"that I don't believe in Jehovah doesn't make me an atheist"

"that I don't believe in Vishnu doesn't make me an atheist"

Now who is confused?

2dugged:
that I don't believe in it doesn't make me an atheist, [s] recognizing the existence of a thing is different from believing in it,hence the reason i told you to go back and check for the meaning of atheism, seems you don't grab the concept [/s]

thanks for the bolded.

enemyofprogress

This FRC regulation is very discriminatory and partial. It does not apply to Muslims and the administration of Mosques.

To show you that Nigeria in their thinking and practice is an lslamic nation, the Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Muhammad Sa'ad Abubakar 111, being the president of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, would not be forced to retire or resign.

Why should Nigeria have a law that applies to Christians but won't apply to Muslims?

I stopped reading at the above, it shows you didn't avail yourself of the facts of this FRC issue before you start typing.

It has no functional use.
It would be better if it is replaced with dislike, hate, disgusting or any negative emotion conveying word.

2dugged:
subsist? Hehehehe I laugh, and what is baal? I recognize it exists but I don't serve it, now those are two different things, you really need to go back and check the meaning of atheism

The question was not if you recognize but if you believe in Baal.

Subsist as used in this context means to "Linger"

OBAGADAFFI:
From your link.


“There is an issue with the new code of corporate governance and the minister wrote the Financial Reporting Council and told the council not to execute it because a lot of people from the private sector have complained about it.

“So, the minister wanted to look into it and see what the issues were. He (FRCN boss) was asked not to go ahead with executing it. There is a controversy on that FRCN issue and we are now looking into the matter to know what the issues are before we can finally take a decision. This is where the matter is currently.”

“The private sector came to us three weeks ago and they told us the sections they wanted amended and we told them that we will look at it when we are doing what we call fine-tuning.”

If you noticed Both the Private sector and Churches complained about the law.

But he (Mr. Jim Obazee) assured the Private sector of an amendment.

Which means, the Private sector and NGOs were not involved or consulted when making the law.

“The code has been on naturally, right from (ex-President Goodluck) Jonathan’s time and this has been over four years. When the code was being done, we engaged all the stakeholders and their presentations formed part of what was in the code at the end of the day.

“The only people that took the matter to court were the churches and they lost. It was on the day they lost that our legal adviser said ‘okay, we could go ahead and release the code and that if we don’t release this code, other bodies will go to court to challenge it’.

I guess you did not see the bolded in the link, can you explain that?

OBAGADAFFI:
The FRCN created the code, and CAN complained about it.

CAN and co were not involved the creation of the code.

Go check how the legislators make laws, they invite all parties to the table, and also make sure their views are included in the final bill.

FRCN has also been criticized severally for act.

Do you have a link to proof they were not involved?
Here is a link that shows they were.

https://www.naij.com/1081511-war-controversial-law-reportedly-prompted-adeboyes-retirement.html

2dugged:
nope, Christians seems to be the main target and atheist seem to find it easier to pick on Christians cos they know their fate should they use the same momentum to attack Muslims, that is my point

You are playing the victim card then.

As long as the atheist argument subsist, we all are atheists.

Do you believe in Baal?
If No, does that make you an atheist?

wolfash:
@OP
Thanks for the eye opener.
I agree with some of what you wrote.
But with all due respect and information available to me, I am yet to come across any official statement where RCCG spoken against the government, I know a lot of Christians who attends pentecostal churches who are angry with the government before now used the medium to accuse the government of bias and trying to break the bones of Christianity in the country.
And let's not forget this is Nigeria, not USA, we are sensitive when it comes to religion, because we are still working on our coalition and unlike most countries, we have almost equal number of Christians and Muslims in Nigeria, which gives room always for suspicion and sensitivity.

Lastly, I don't know if you are a Christian and if you are whether your own denomination uses the same organisational structure as RCCG and most pentecostal churches (meaning you could be catholic, Anglican, etc), but which ever, I will like to say you can't separate spirituality from the governance of church, if start saying GOs have a specific number of years they must use, then you are saying God doesn't have a say in when a Christian leader should hand over like we saw severally in the bible, citing Moses, Elijah, etc as example.

Thanks

@bolded, You are wrong.
Why did the Israelites ask Prophet Samuel for a King?

They wanted a separation of spirituality from governance.

2dugged:
Atheist are gonna masturbate on this thread, I hope y'all clamoring for this law will not start talking form both sides of your mouth when a Muslim cleric is also asked to step down, cos we know how things work in this country

Your comment presupposes Muslims are atheists or atheists are Muslims.

Wiseandtrue:
Get it right, Its a Non Governmental Organization (NGO) therefore government have no right to meddle in their affairs.
Government self wey dey meddle have they done their duty(ies)
How have they helped the masses they are leading abeg they should face governance and do it well.
They should lead an exemplary life others will follow abi no be so

What an NGO mean is not-for-profit organization, and must be registered with government.

If the government registers your NGO, who sets the terms and conditions for registration, you or government?

OBAGADAFFI:
@op

You are partially wrong here.

A law cannot made without due consultation with the Parties/stakeholders involved.

And that was why CAN and co kicked against it from onset.

If i am sole sponsor of a my foundation.

if you remove me as the head of that foundation the funding automatically stops.

There were consultations, recommendations and some things fine tuned before the implementation.

@bolded, What exactly did they kick against?
That they were not consulted?
If yes, then the court case should have been after the implementation of the code not before.

If CAN was not consulted which group then was?

Well said.

I was pissed by the sentiments people are attaching to this issue without a good understanding of what the FRCN codes really mean.

The deception in religious organizations will be open for all to see: it has always been about the money.

I should click where to read what, your rants?

Something that started in the time of GEJ with all stake holders fully represented, consulted and their inputs taken, only the Church went to court and lost, why?

If the stake holders agreed on a 20 year single tenure or 70 years of age limit for NGO leaders, what's the fuss?

If you register your church as an NGO, why are you challenging the rules and regulations guiding NGOs?

Is there something I am missing here?

finofaya:
So that's how those Chibok girls ceased to be raped immediately after their abductors wedded them.

Exactly, those girls were never raped, as wives they were only performing their conjugal obligations.

Meaning there is nothing wrong with Mr B killing Mr X in battle, but it's a sin for Mr B to have sex with the Mr X's daughter, Xx, captured during the battle, without giving her a month to mourn her father Mr B killed.

Now as a captive she is to be treated as a wife, meaning marital rites must be observed, who is giving Xx in marriage?