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Some beautiful ladies are the epitome of low self esteem and insecurity. Something that a little exercise could have solved, she elected to go under the knife.
I don't know why Stella Obasanjo comes to mind.

PMB is a living legend, and like all legends have his own shortcomings not withstanding.

This is technically calling Northern Senators Forum idiats using flowery language.

In the Nigerian constitution, How do we reconcile freedom of expression and anti-gay law?
Does it mean "freedom of expression" does not cover sexual expression?

Did we know that the ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were centers of scientific knowledge?
Is it a coincidence that the scientifically adavnced cities of today are not homophobic?



Forget the label, it won't stick.

By their fruits we know those who attended law school.

that is correct,
for:
God = Elohim (gods) = those who from the sky come.

the secular Law is not supposed to be biased, wearing a hijab already gives it a religious bias.

SweetJoystick:
Nice, my only issue is the theme. You can't be against tithing as a abolished doctrine and still advocate tithe outside the church. Can be any other challenge but tithe

It is called putting things in perspective, jesus said whatsoever you do to the least of these ones, you do unto me. The needy are still among us and they are not the bling bling pastors.

The challenge is using a tenth of your income to help someone get out of poverty, if your pastor falls into that category, so be it.

Afonjacoward:
TSA that jonathan masterminded.
Which one did Jubrin mastermind?
Ok let me guess....Terrorism.
Your oga is going back to duara come 2019.

Well, the love you are implementing was masterminded by Christ, am I correct?

This is why I love PMB administration, you either comply with TSA or bye bye.

TheHistorian:
Do you have glaring evidences to lay credence to such a ludicrous claim?

Can you mention categorically any of those you know who offer him gifts with proceeds from crime?


He mentioned "CAR" not "AIRLINES". I know your pre-programmed prejudice has rendered you incapable of unbias analysis.

BTW,whatever Private Jets he owns,Prove to us now if it was acquaired from money made illegally or you forever remain taciturn in any public space of discussion.

Awon Arindin meji!

Not so fast.

Can you prove 100% of those that donate in churches or gifts pastors make their money legally?

Can you prove it is legal for Christians who are not Jews or under the Jewish laws of Aaronic priesthood to pay tithe to a non Aaronic priest?

You can't serve two masters, you can't claim Christ and tithe according to Aaron at the same time.

Whether he mentioned cars or planes is immaterial, if cars are got illegally, planes can also be got illegally.

Is it legal to register plane using a "fictitious" offshore company?
How many of the planes owned by these men are registered in Nigeria?

But what is wrong with that?

Remember, the Government of Spain appointed a Minister of Sex, so what's it with Imo State's Commissioner of Happiness?

All these appointments are to meet a specific need deemed necessary for the well being of the people by the government.

In Spain couples are not having enough sex, which by extension is affecting their population and the government did something about it, so also in Imo state, there is not much happiness else the appointment of a Commissioner of Happiness .

The world as we know it is passing away.
What would cars look like when 10 gears debut?

petra1:
You don’t believe in the content of the law ? Don’t cherry pick

lol, is that your attempt at clap back?

Well, the Law doesn't require believing but obedience.

luvinhubby:
Bulk votes from South East and South South, split votes from North central, South West and North West(Kwankaso effect).

Atiku is the President in waiting for 2019.

Which ever way, Islam wins, right?

Thank God you know she is the Moon, and cultivating on the Moon is a futile agricultural enterprise.

NgeneUkwenu:
But Atiku will win South East now?

Yes, just like GEJ

petra1:
It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid .

Let me explain the manipulation and error of Daddy freeze here . He told a lie that tithe is to be given to the poor and to eat and drink that is error .

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )

I wonder if the following portion is missing in your bible?
Pay attention to the bolded.

Deut 14:24-27
24 `And when the way is too much for thee, that thou art not able to carry it -- when the place is too far off from thee which Jehovah thy God doth choose to put His name there, when Jehovah thy God doth bless thee; --
25 then thou hast given [it] in money, and hast bound up the money in thy hand, and gone unto the place on which Jehovah thy God doth fix;
26 and thou hast given the money for any thing which thy soul desireth, for oxen, and for sheep, and for wine, and for strong drink, and for any thing which thy soul asketh, and thou hast eaten there before Jehovah thy God, and thou hast rejoiced, thou and thy house.
27 As to the Levite who [is] within thy gates, thou dost not forsake him, for he hath no portion and inheritance with thee.

You want to follow the law? you don't cherry pick.

generaliy:
Gullible sheep?

You need to calm down and seek God yourself, I won't argue with you.

Edited: I wonder why y'all are tagging this post to tithing as if that's the only thing freeze has condemned the church on, I can see lots of unbelievers jumping on a post that seeks to address issues affecting Christianity, it's not surprising because it's an age where attacks against the church has been made popular.

The attacks on this post however does not stop the lessons from being learnt by those primarily concerned, the church.

The Church is built already, a million gates of hell can NEVER prevail against it!

You have written well but it lacks substance, you called out daddy freeze, but have not refuted any of what he accuses the church pastors of doing, which majorly borders on tithe collection and their competition to outdo worldly celebrities.

@bolded, was the Temple not already built when Jesus came?
The church is never "already built," for it is supposed to continually undergo transformation. But then who am I to say, when God is no longer inspiring men to warrant any update to the Bible?

Vanderandrew:
Tithe is 10% of one's income. I even hear people who don't have a relationship with God argue about Tithe. Paying tithes is based on a covenant you have with God. So unbelievers are exempted from paying tithes. But they can give to Church projects as well as the poor.

By their words you will know who is in spiritual bondage.

I guess as a believer you know once you default in one aspect of the Law you default in all. You can't keep the Law of tithe and not keep the law of burnt offerings, or an eye for an eye, or any of the 613 laws of Moses.

Don't say tithe preceeded the law because it does not. Abraham was not asked to pay, but gifted Melchizadek just once, which is what the church uses as foundation for collecting tithe. And if you insist on it, you should also insist we take our maid as concubine.

Cherry picking does not work in this matter

rinzylee:
Jesus had connections with the high and mighty of his time o.... let's not even go there...

Jesus Christ was not Poor.... He had everything at his disposal. He never begged. He used Peter's boat when he needed...

People never follow a Poor Man don't forget.. even the bible says that " a poor man's wisdom is despised "

People only follow successful people. I bet you won't want to identify with a pauper as your Savior.

Can we even afford to talk about our Creator, His father... The Lord God only knows Abundance... how come we haven't run short of Oxygen ever since man was created??

Poverty, scarcity, envy and jealousy are siblings.. Run far from it.

Some of you would collapse when you get to heaven cos the streets are tarred with Gold ooo...

One thing you should know is, anything used to tar a road is worthless for any other purpose. Apart from using Coal tar on our streets, do we wear it as an ornament?
What that Bible portion is trying to portray is the worthlessness of material things in the spiritual realms

kstyle2:
So sad. The op said the annual operating cost of a private jet is estimated at 1.4b naira. Assuming this is true, and a Nigerian pastor can boast of 4 private jet, that's an estimated 5.6b naira per year. This amount can handle, say trunk c roads(local govt roads)construction and maintenance in certain states. I think this act alone can serve as a form of evangelism. Better still, this amount can be used to fund ideas generated by entrepreneurs. We truly have misplaced priorities in this country. Some 'educated' folks will still justify this action

No matter how educated some Nigerian Christians are, once they are inside a church or issues that touches their pastors are raised, their thinking faculties stands in abeyance, and they start parroting what they were told.

Isokowadoo:
A Muslim posted this to Spite Christians And pastor's

So we should not reason along those lines because it was posted by a Muslim?

Zinny25:
I guess it's a drama. I don't see the reason why a man should wear cap in the church. So he's definitely acting. Looks good on him

You are right, Pastors are actors, and the pulpit is just a stage for acting.

That's correct, it's the FG that gave Namdi Kanu recognition and bestowed on him high titles in Igbo land.

The new synonyms for IPOB:
(1) "one-way traffic reasoning"
(2) "straight jacket thinking"

This is one of the reasons wailing wailers wail in a yawn, the records speak for itself. I wish you did a tabulation to compare this with past administrations.
Good work.

The analogy does not fit the debate, the setting aside every week was for a specific purpose, at a specific time.

The little boy's lunch was not for God or pastors alone to consume but was shared and consumed among the people, do we share the tithes and offering among the people in church?

Why are these pastors equating God with Church Inc?

NeeKlaus:
Bros, what you should understand is every other church in the world right now broke away from the Catholic Church. So, it's understandable if they attack their mother church.

The Catholic Church was the first church in the world, instituted by Christ himself. The evidence is in the Bible. I won't talk too much.

That shows how shallow your knowledge of church history is. You choose to believe a myth, when did Jesus found Catholic church or any church for that matter, when Emperors of Rome as at that time used early Christians as target practice for their gladiators? Is it Paul that went to Rome as a prisoner? The myth claims Peter was the first Pope, where is it written that Peter went to Rome and founded a church?

The Catholic Church and Christianity as we have it, is the christened Roman religion of Mithraism, which was achieved by Emperor Constantine for his political reasons and the glory of Rome.

WORLDPEACE:
Weak comment. You tried but couldn't think of anything clever to say.

And what has that got to do with you?