MaxInDHouse: Neither Jesus nor Paul said it's a prerequisite for anything rather it's left for each believer to decide whether it will help him focus more on the kingdom work! Matthew 19:12; 1Corinthians 7:1-2
Can you see why i often call you a faithless miscreant?
So celibacy will not help your kingdom work or you are dodging responsibility?
MaxInDHouse: Ẹn nah! It's not just what they said but how they lived their lives. So Jesus and Paul were monks since they were the first to lay the foundation not so?
MaxInDHouse: So you believe Jesus and Paul were Catholic monks since they never married shey?
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See old man's thinking. Which one came first? Is it not the sayings of Paul and Jesus that your organization and Catholics interpreted to get yourselves monks?
jaephoenix: Cool. So you agree those other gods are as powerful as your god, since they grant the wishes of their faithful. Thank you
You are surely a joker. My own God requires holiness to work with Him. Others, when you meet their conditions they are benevolent to their worshippers. What do you suppose Israelites would abandon Yahweh to follow Chemosh Dagion,etc. You think they don't have powers? Be kidding yourself. Any worshipers of any gods believe, his god is almighty.
It depends on you. When Paul and Barnabas were preaching in Athens,I think, for two hours, the people were shouting, great is Diana. People are looking for a higher power that solves their problems.
Just ask a Yahoo boy, how powerful is the idol that gives him money.
You see narrow mindednes and sentiments do not play here. Allah is believed by his worshippers as the Almighty. So I know my own God as the Almighty. I don't know your own.
MaxInDHouse: Christians don't believe in celibacy it's due to your faithlessness that makes you a novice regarding what Jesus and Apostle Paul meant and instead of asking to know the difference between what Catholics are doing and what true disciples of Christ believe you just muddle it up out of ignorance.
The Catholics have a separate group serving in their religion under celibacy and you can't be ranked along with them unless you remain unmarried but in Christianity being unmarried doesn't give you any privilege or position above other believers it's you who feels that's what can make you perform better as an evangelizer so in God's organization those who choose to be eunuchs aren't greater and there is no special sacred service they can render that others can't so far they have dedicated their lives to God. That's why Peter who has a wife can be an Apostle of Christ as well as Paul who chose to be an eunuch can serve in the same capacity!
Your definitions are different but the same working. It is just a matter of Community Truth. JWs' monks and Catholic monks.
It is like using a cutlass to fell a tree or axe for the same purpose. It doesn't make any difference!
Regarding highlighted this is what Jesus has to say :
The disciples said to him: “If that is the situation of a man with his wife, it is not advisable to marry.” He said to them: “Not all men make room for the saying, but only those who have the gift. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs on account of the Kingdom of the heavens. Let the one who can make room for it make room for it.” Matthew 19:10-12
Can you see how real faithful servants of God are thinking in the highlighted in blue? And can you see Jesus' encouragement for such ones in the highlighted in green?
Well your pastors can't be happier than Jesus and Paul both dedicated their whole life for the ministry and they never thought of marrying nor raising children! 1Corinthians 7:1
So your organization copy Catholic's celibacy. That's interesting. The Catholic priests are enjoying nah?! This guy to be get a bicycle, Kai.
cuffee: If God hates fornication, does that mean he watches people have sex?
No matter how much intelligent a computer is,it cannot be wiser than the maker. If God designs sex and put regulations on how it should be used, He must have designed a way to know the offenders.
Biological science tells is a measure of DNA of all sex partners a woman have sex with remains in her system. If man can discover that, what do you think?
MaxInDHouse: So Jesus made a fortune out of the woman's gift shey? If Davido is getting rich through music surely he will never ever speak against music just as Bamiloye will never speak against tithing.
Speaking against tithing is not the issue now. He said giving more. I agree tithe paying is wrong, I will raise my own beyond 10%. What about you? Do you believe in giving to the work of God?
MaxInDHouse: Good you know that there are full time evangelizers in true Christianity and for your information we are not paying tithe for their upkeep!
I pity the guy, he wasn't married then. I wonder how he would be able to take care of his wife and children. He could trek the whole Lagos. Can you see the pastors of tithe paying churches? They are happier. The Governing Body members are living in mansions deceiving folks.
MaxInDHouse: Someone is getting customers through churches and here you're deceiving yourself claiming he's not gaining from the proceeds of tithing. Well for your information many out there are paying tithes to his ministry claiming his movies inspires them so stop being paranoid!
Well, that is by choice. If people can give to Davido for his music, why not Bamilloye? The woman that broke Alabaster oil and rubbed it on Jesus did it for what? Was that how she was rubbing oil on everybody?
She must have been inspired. The woman that fed Elisha and made a penthouse for him was similarly inspired.
MaxInDHouse: He is making his money from the proceeds of tithes paid to mega churches that's why he will not perform his dramas in churches where tithes aren't collected since it's from its proceeds he will be paid for his job!
If you're not intelligent don't think others aren't too.
Lie Sir, he never makes any stage dramas. He sells his films like any Nollywood actors. I was attending a church in the early 2000s. We had a building project going on. On a Sunday, a young girl came to deliver a message to the pastor. It was an envelope. In it was a cheque of ₦100,000:00. The girl disappeared before the pastor could open it. It was those days when names were not printed on cheque leaves. As the work progressed, the same girl appeared again with another envelope, the girl was tailed to the sender. Lo and behold, it was this man Bamilloye. We didn't know he was living around us. He is still not a member of the church till now. Please carry your hypocrisy outta here.
You didn't comment about your organization not touching money because it is evil. Just a reminder.
Stubborn82: The issues of tithing is generating lots of controversy among the Christians of now adays, while some think it is good to pay tithe, some think otherwise, backing their believe with scriptural references, at the bases of using scriptural references to justify whether tithing is important or not, many Christians are confused and lost, not knowing which to accept or to follow.
The truth is that the word of God can not contradict one another, it is the ignorance or selfishness of the people that causes the contradiction. Someone bump into my inbox recently, after I commented on a Facebook post about tithing, this person happened to be the admin of the page, he tried to contradict himself by wanting me to agree with his view about tithing, in fact he sent lots of references upon references pointing to the direction of his view, but what struck me the most, in all his arguments was this question, "why Jesus pay tax and didn't pay tithe?" I did my best by giving him the answer with the wisdom from the scripture.
I found out that many Christians are still confused and struggling to understand why Jesus didn't pay tithe but went ahead and pay tax, to understand this better, we need to divide this question into two, and ask ourselves, what is tax and what is tithe, are they the same thing? This person that came into my inbox, cited Matt 17:24-25 to show that Jesus paid tax, but this person made a mistake, because the key to understand mystery is WHY not WHAT, Jesus paid tax, that's WHAT Jesus did, WHY Jesus did that? This is one thing that this person didn't know or probably trying to hide it, then I pointed to the same Matt 17 he cited earlier but this time i asked him to read verse 26 and 27 in order to see the answer to why Jesus paid the tax, initially, it is not Jesus obligation by right to pay tax, but he did that simply to avoid problem with the tax collectors.
Why Jesus didn't pay tithe? This is another controversial question and the point of reference for many to generate justification about tithing, it is very important to know that, while tax is to be paid, tithe is to be giving, you don't pay tithe, you give tithe, which ever way, but the question is why Jesus didn't pay or give tithe? Like I said before, that the key to understand mystery is WHY, one good reason that Jesus didn't pay tithe is because neither Jesus nor the apostles works or engaged in profitable business, tithe is only mandatory to income earners or profit enterprise, Jesus didn't come to contradict the word of God, he came to fulfill it, tithe is not mandatory on gift items, tithe is strictly for income earners, you can't expect Jesus to give ten percent of the food someone invited him to eat in his house, same way you can't tell someone to give tithe on a gift items or materials that he or she received from someone, tithe is not mandatory on gift items but only on profit and income earnings.
Perhaps somebody can still argue that, tithing is an old testament doctrine or law and it is not applicable to new testament teaching, but the truth is, tithing is not a law or doctrine, tithing is a commandment from God, it is not a church doctrine or religious laws, if they says it is an old testament law and it should be disregarded, then is marriage not also come from old testament, is praying not also come from old testament? Why do you want to abolish tithe and not abolish praying or abolish the commandment of God that says, man shall leave his parents and cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh? Tithe is a commandment just like marriage commandment, it is not limited to any religion, whether Christian, Islam, Judaism or induism. Tithe is a commandments to whoever seek after God, regardless of religious affiliation.
Thanks for taking your time to read this epistle, next Sunday I will conclude on this series of tithing, the benefits of tithing and Why we need to engage in tithing regardless of our religious affiliation.
Good point. The gospels did not record day to day activities of Jesus. We ate not even sure if He paid tithes or not. Only Matthew recorded Jesus and tithing in the Gospels. Jesus was not recorded to have given offerings either but made a comment on the widow's mite.
If these records are not mentioned, today, some people would be saying giving offerings is wrong. I see greed here.
Some people's arguments are illogical. Paul was a tent maker, he fended for himself and had little responsibilities as an unmarried man. Peter was a family man when Jesus called him. He went back to his fishing. Jesus again reached to him and asked him to stop fishing business. The same today, many are genuinely called and have to stop what they were doing. I don't see dons like Adeboye, Kumuyi, medicals like Uma Ukpai, Enenche, Tunde Joda, lawyers like Bakare, Architects like Oyedepo,oyakhilome, engineers like Abioye etc as failures.
You see, the works of these people are so enormous. They are really working. Apart from occasional showing up in church and crusades, these people fast like no man's business. Are they really enjoying? So it seems but getting close to them, they are paying very high price. I remember Oyedepo saying, he didn't know much of Lagos. It is easy to criticize. Many of these critics have never been class captains in their life not to talk of leading a church.
malvisguy212: I'm really saddened with most pastors. Tithes should not be a priority, when you get, you give, if you don't have, continue praising God.
When the time comes the church need fund for a project, there's surly a thousand way God will provide.
True. RCCG has too many workers and foreign missionaries that it needs so much money. What you are saying is not practical. Do you see Catholic, Anglican,, Baptist etc complain about this? They don't have problems with tithing. They have developed their systems over two millennial or so. Can you imagine Catholic with about 1.5 billion devotees? Please Sir, the church needs money.
SamGift0817: Filmmaker and evangelist Mike Bamiloye has come to the defence of Pastor E.A. Adeboye, the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, following recent controversy surrounding Adeboye’s comments on tithing.
Bamiloye took to social media to address the reactions that followed Pastor Adeboye's apology about an earlier statement he made regarding the practice.
MaxInDHouse: Command Wealth? Hmmmmmmmmmm now worshipers of Mammon (money god) are finally revealed {Matthew 6:24} i pity those associating with them thinking they are worshipers of the true God!
See hypocrisy. I learned JW's are too holy to touch money.
Note, this man doesn't own a church o. He is a dramatist. He doesn't collect offerings.
Anyway, I believe iin his position about tithing ( sorry, it is a wrong name), giving generous giving.
You see why I cannot join your organization? I believe in the church that teaches giving to God and are bold to say it. Not a church that an organization that teaches somethings to outsiders and another to insiders like a cult.
CAPTIVATOR: Holy spirit is a force , the same way the spirit of man is a Force. If holy spirit is a person , Jesus lied when he said nobody knows except the Father because holy spirit must know.
Secondly, it means Holy spirit is GREATER Than Jesus. You can speak against Jesus and be forgiven, but sin against holy spirit is not forgivable, that's the proof that The person holy spirit is greater than Jesus. Dump that heresy you are spreading
Your ignorance is captivating.
Are these referencess the only ones made about HOLY SPIRIT? by Jesus