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MaxInDHouse:
This is what you typed:



So if you only prayed to your God and got what you asked it totally differs from claiming lame work and blind see otherwise you should prove it yourself but of course you're lying to your own soul now you want to say there is no pastor or prophet doing it then who opened the eyes of the blind and made the lame whole?
Ọmọ you're just deceiving yourself God answered all people when it comes to their needs! Matthew 5:45

FRANCISTOWN:
I've said it earlier that you can be a Professor of neuroscience or rocket science and still be ignorant. I don't know why you want to make me reiterate.

MaxInDHouse:
So you agree that the GB have faith like Timothy.
Good!
You can continue deceiving yourself with those liars claiming they're performing miracles yet contradicting themselves in teaching.
Jesus have forewarned us against such liars that they will perform miracles but they will not agree on terms and conditions of worship making them workers of lawlessness! Matthew 7:21-23

MaxInDHouse:
So who is performing all these so everyone can bring REAL blind, lame and deaf for healing?

With your grey hair you're still going about with deceitful people claiming what God never promised gentiles shey?

Well it's not the GB that wrote what Jesus said in the Bible, miraculous healings is only for Israelites {Matthew 15:24} that's why Timothy wasn't healed miraculously but have to be placed on medication! 1Timothy 5:23

FRANCISTOWN:
The point remains that he lived before the time of your "said" Jesus.


Jesus never lived, and he is not alive. Tell me where we can see him and myself and couple other people or better still a team will invite him over.


I agree with the Bible on this. Why would anyone say in his heart when they can say it out loud.
Well we are not saying it in our hearts. We are saying it out loud that there is no god(s).



Ignorance cannot be cured with Intelligence.
You can be intelligent and still be ignorant.

You can be knowledgeable and still be ignorant.

You can be a Professor of neuroscience or rocket science and still be ignorant. It is what it is.

The only thing that can cure ignorance is enlightenment: when you come to the understanding of the world around you, not by what you read in books or what you were told but by what agrees with common sense and reasoning in your day to day life

FRANCISTOWN:
The point remains that he lived before the time of your "said" Jesus.


Jesus never lived, and he is not alive. Tell me where we can see him and myself and couple other people or better still a team will invite him over.
Well I am not ignorant of the existence of God. You show abysmal ignorance of God. You are arguing blindly. You wear spectacles of science and criticize God. There are many scientists that believe in God. Sr. Olukoya has a pH.D in molecular biology and trained six PhD graduates. He is a pastor. I don't know what degree you have or field of study. You simply show pure ignorance.

I agree with the Bible on this. Why would anyone say in his heart when they can say it out loud.
Well we are not saying it in our hearts. We are saying it out loud that there is no god(s).



Ignorance cannot be cured with Intelligence.
You can be intelligent and still be ignorant.

You can be knowledgeable and still be ignorant.

You can be a Professor of neuroscience or rocket science and still be ignorant. It is what it is.

The only thing that can cure ignorance is enlightenment: when you come to the understanding of the world around you, not by what you read in books or what you were told but by what agrees with common sense and reasoning in your day to day life

MaxInDHouse:
You always misconstrue my post but that's not a problem all you need is enlightenment.

Did you miss this part in my post?



Of course God has arranged that man should be cured using different fruits and vegetables to heal us that's why atheists feel what they want as evidence of God's ability to heal are the things recorded in the Bible: faith healing without the use of any food or drinks.

For your information a type of food may be the cure to a disease but it's until we discover it such a disease remains incurable to researchers (scientists)

So if you claim God healed you the same is applicable to everyone else as long as they eat food and drinks fluids sicknesses are cured but when it comes to healing without taking any food or drinks God never promised other nations except the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that's why Jesus could tell a woman he's not here for miraculous healing of none Israelites! Matthew 15:24

FRANCISTOWN:
Which evidence do you have? Present the evidence.

Present the medical reports.
Present that your wife and kid never used any drug.

LordReed:
Who is the global coordinator of science?

FRANCISTOWN:
If you noticed every of my post. I never used the word "miracle" or "supernatural healing".

I only used the phrase "healing that science can't explain yet"

Also if you read my first response to the guy who said God healed his wife and kid, you would see where I said " He and his family must be special, probably they were made of gold, instead of sand"

Now if you still haven't found the sarcasm and mockery in the original post, then I pick.

MaxInDHouse:
My God promised only the descendants of His friend (Abraham) that's why the Bible never mentioned any miracles without involvement of Israelites.
Healing on its own has been part of God's plan that's why he created herbs for humans to treat ourselves! Psalms 104:14
But all these noise here and there about miracles is deception!

FRANCISTOWN:
please click me

please click me too





I kept mixing the names up, I meant to say
Qin Shi Huang,



Does your Jesus not got the master key? Let him open the door of my heart with it.

And at the emboldened, I've said it several times that there is majority in stupidity.

Many people may come together and be stupid together.

And about the Bible, I've probably read it more than you do, so what?

jaephoenix:
Yes, science has some uncertainty. And aint ashamed of it. In fact, it thrives in proving its uncertainty and making itself less uncertain per day.
Religion? It tends to portray itself as certain and unfailing, but it it so riddled with lies and miseducations.
You said science hasn't solved any of man's problem. Really? At least health wise, sickle cell, HIV etc were death sentences before, but now its all good. Children die quickly from many diseases but vaccines etc have helped. Child birth were 50-50 but now maternal deaths are almost unheard of in some climes. I can go on.
People take weeks to travel from one continent to other but now, its a matter of hours.
What has religion contributed to humanity apart from bloodshed and scam?
And dont get me started on christianity. Crusades, Witch Trials, Inquisition,Huguenot wars etc
You think christianity is thriving? Lol.
Bro, religion generally is declining. The percentage of religious folks are shrinking globally. Check polls and statistics. People didn't even know there are Nigerian atheists. And the number is growing. People are asking questions. And in terms of the fastest growing religion, its Islam not Christianity.
So Park well

jaephoenix:
1. science said we came from the great ape. Backed it up with evidence. Our anatomies are similar. We humans had tails while growing in the womb, some are even born with tails. Hell, we even have tail bones.
2. The creation stories stated in the Bible and other religious and cultural sources, are all myths. They have been proven not to have happened by history and science.
3. So Yahweh dictated the creation stories to Moses?
4. I thought it is stated in the Bible that anyone that sees Yahweh dies?
5. Same Jews that don't recognize Yahweh? Are you aware they wanna make preaching about Jesus a crime in Israel? About eight-in-ten (81%) Israeli adults are Jewish, while the remainder are mostly ethnically Arab and religiously Muslim (14%), [b]Christian (2%) [/b]or Druze (2%). In fact they have gay ministers. Something that cannot even happen in Nigeria. They have Gay Pride days. Something that cannot also happen in Nigeria.
Yet you still insist they are Yahweh's people

6. Are you also aware the West is secular and not Christian. From their laws, they have made that known. Legalizing gay marriage, trans, abortion etc.
7. Please how does having biblical names concern an atheist scientist? Is it his fault his Christian parents gave him or her a Christian name? Lol

FRANCISTOWN:
It is not by experience, though it may be by choice, why not? Many people can choose to be stupid.
Lemme tell you. Human beings are like honey, but they do not know. God is like sugar.
Wether you add a spoonful of sugar into your honey or not doesn't mean the honey will be sweeter, as a matter of fact. It may become poisonous.

Some pray to some random god (be it yhwh, Allah, Rock, Whatever) . They get healed.

Some don't pray at all and yet they get healed.

Some pray to some random god(be it yhwh, Allah, Rock, Whatever), still they don't get healed

Some don't pray at all yet they still don't get healed.

What does that tell you? That's simply the law of average at work and the god factor is pretty useless

FRANCISTOWN:
There is no such thing as being perfect.

Science thru geological and archeological facts has proven that our great great fore fathers
El principio existed more than 200,000 years ago as opposed the bible which is barely 8,000 years ago. So how is that a perfect record of genealogy?

I still maintain that aside your religious books, there is no other record that confirms the existence of Jesus. Genghis Khan lived far before the time your said Jesus lived, yet there are irrefutable proofs that he truly lived. I say this again. Jesus never lived, and there is no record that Isrealites were slaves in the land of Egypt not to talk of crossing the Red Sea.




The God of the whole universe, the omnipotent and omniscienct God was waiting for man to develop the art of writing. Lol, couldn't he just imbibe the knowledge of writing into Adam since creation?

That's what he always does. He is waiter.



Lemme tell you something, Science has been in existence before your jesus. Egypt was already far ahead in science and technology before your christian bs.

The Yoruba race has also demonstrated a level of advanced science in the past according to legends.

To burst your brain. Did you know that all the words of Wisdom that you see in the Bible were not from God, Jesus or any of the prophets.

The words of wisdom that can be found in the Bible are the works of ancient philosophers. It was Emperor Augustine who closed down the school of Philosophy, burnt their works so people could think that knowledge came into the world thru god.

Many of these scientists that you talk about were either agnostic, atheistic or apatheistic and the fact that they answered Jewish names never made them Christians. Even the few among them who were practicing Christianity didn't credit their success to God because they knew he didn't do shit

FRANCISTOWN:
I will ask you just 2 questions.



I agree to the emboldened, but science has tried. Perhaps Science is God.

Mention with irrefutable proofs the problems that the Christian God has solved in this current generation.




I don't like what you are doing, honestly.

Let's not talk about all civilisations now.
Let's talk about this our current civilisation, if truly you were knowledgeable in the science field and have followed the works of great minds.

Science discovered electricity, though it cannot be seen in the real sense but you can see it's manifestation, the results and the proof.
Whether you believe in electricity or not, all you need to do is to touch a naked wire with a high voltage with your barehand. Okay! Let's say this one is a lil bit too real.

What about the second law of thermodynamics, whether you believe in science or not, you'll see the proof before your own very eyes.

I do not believe in any God because there is no God. Yes! Science has not been able to solve all human problems, but Science has proven itself to be worthy. That's why I sit comfortably in an airplane and I even take a nap with all joy.

Science has given me irrefutable proofs. Now it's the turn of your God



Science is God.

FRANCISTOWN:
I do not understand what you were trying to ask me, but lemme say this.

I'm giving you first hand information based on normal day to day life of what's going on in South Korea.
I've said it up there that the larger percentage of South Koreans do not pray to any god yet they still get healings that science cannot explain yet. Probably that was what you read from Late Rev. Yongi Cho's books.

So therefore, healing doesn't come from a particular god.

Healing is just like the rainbow, anybody can see it, but not everybody will see it.

If healing came from any particular god, then a particular religion will record more cases of supernatural healing more than the rests.

I still maintain that healing doesn't come from any god. People get healed in such a way that Science can't explain yet. Please do your homework.

FRANCISTOWN:
Why not?

Everybody in the world can be stupid at the same time so, I can't be bothered.

There was some random guy who prophesied about Corona virus but, not a single soul believed in his prophesy because he was irreligious.

One person against the whole world. Yet he won!

There was a time the whole world believed "the earth is flat", innit?

There was a time the whole world believed that "the sun revolves the earth", innit?

There was a time many people believed that "Thunder is a anger signal from gods", innit?

Lemme ask you something, what happened to all those believes?

People outgrew their stupidity. However there are still some who hold unto those believes but guess what? Their believe do not change the fact that the earth is not flat, and that the sun does revolve the earth.

Do not worry, many people are beginning to outgrow faith. They are dumping their stupid ass religion.

You see! There can be majority in stupidity. Many people can be stupid together. In the US, there are several cases of mass suicide where many people come together and they commit suicide together.

Like I said up there. Billions of people may decide to be stupid, as long as it has nothing to do with me, I'm ait.

NNTR:
kobojunkie, is infamous for badly finessing the art of being truculent.
Its that bad, that he easily would start to argue in an empty room
Yeah, even wouldnt mind arguing with himself, in order to win an argument.

Abel Damina, is nothing other than a sensationalist, who gets hard ons from presenting biblical narratives, in ways, intended to incite excitement, albeit, excitement at the expense and death of facts, truth, accuracies and realities

For a weird reason, I actually thought the ' 'I think something is wrong with you and your theology'' comment was addressed to me

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Absuchat:

One day table will turn.

"Go back to your region" will fit us to say

FRANCISTOWN:
You dey whine?
Is this playing?
What kind of playing is this?
@ Jaephoenix finally someone saw limbs regrow. 🤣🤣🤣

I don't even need to ask for a proof because I'm sure you won't be able to provide any.

But at least, we no get tribal marks for face na

FRANCISTOWN:
Baba do not argue what you do not know.
Let's leave all over the word and meditation out of it.

I'm telling you that I have a friend who has been living in South Korea for many years and she told me "live" that many of them don't pray to any "god" at all.

She told me their are few churches , but even people who go to church believe that Jesus is stupid for dying because of somebody else's sins.

Many of the religious part of them are Buddhist.

The larger percentage of the population do not pray to any "god" or "meditation" shit at all.

FRANCISTOWN:
God healed your wife of psoriasis but he abandoned many faithful Christians to die of cancer.

He healed your daughter of rotten bones but could not save T.B Joshua, Pastor Adeboye's son, the Rev Father who died in a sleep.

You are happy he healed your family but refused to heal many children who die of malaria weekly then you must be very wicked.
You are just as wicked as your imaginary "god's" character.

I guess you must be very special. You and your family were made of gold instead of sand(same as you guys always talk it)

By the way, people who have never heard of any god in their lives also experience healings that can't be explained by science yet.

I've got a childhood friend in South Korea. When she last came to Nigeria, she told me about 80% of their population over there do not pray to any god.

She said most of them have probably not even said the word "god" in 20 years.

Yet she told me most of them over there beats cancer, and may other sickness without medical attention, without prayers.

You see, that's why it's good to travel. You can't beat the level of exposure.

You can read about US all your life , but you can't beat the knowledge of someone who stays there and drinks from there.

NNTR:
Some posters will try to find something wrong (i.e. a fantom) with you because they cant handle what is right with you and your theology

My piece of advice, explain, specifically, how you mean 'I think something is wrong with you and your theology', or alternatively, try clear the phantoms from your head, then after, grasp fact(s), truth(s) and realities

If you feel that something is wrong, don't be afraid to speak up and say, all what you feel, is wrong. Of course, better remain silent, better not even think, if you are afraid to speak up.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

jaephoenix:
Science has continued to break frontiers unheard of before. Like making people with amputated limbs have some life etc
The latest is curing HIV cases.
No its not your regular fake church testimony sessions. This is real.

5th person confirmed to be cured of HIV
The Dusseldorf patient is latest to be rid of HIV with no signs of return.
Referred to as "the Dusseldorf patient" to protect his privacy, researchers said he is the fifth confirmed case of an HIV cure. Although the details of his successful treatment were first announced at a conference in 2019, researchers could not confirm he had been officially cured at that time.
Today, researchers announced the Dusseldorf patient still has no detectable virus in his body, even after stopping his HIV medication four years ago.
"It’s really cure, and not just, you know, long term remission," said Dr. Bjorn-Erik Ole Jensen, who presented details of the case in a new publication in "Nature Medicine."

"This obviously positive symbol makes hope, but there's a lot of work to do," Jensen said

Recent Stories from ABC News
For most people, HIV is a lifelong infection, and the virus is never fully eradicated. Thanks to modern medication, people with HIV can live long and healthy lives.

The Dusseldorf patient joins a small group of people who have been cured under extreme circumstances after a stem cell transplant, typically only performed in cancer patients who don’t have any other options. A stem cell transplant is a high-risk procedure that effectively replaces a person's immune system. The primary goal is to cure someone's cancer, but the procedure has also led to an HIV cure in a handful of cases.

With about 38.4 million people globally living with HIV, treatments have come a long way. Modern medication can keep the virus at bay, and studies looking into preventing HIV infection with a vaccine are also underway.

The first person with HIV cure was Timothy Ray Brown. Researchers published his case as the Berlin patient in 2009. That was followed by the London patient published in 2019. Most recently, The City of Hope and New York patients were published in 2022.

“I think we can get a lot of insights from this patient and from these similar cases of HIV cure," Jensen said. "These insights give us some hints where we could go to make the strategy safer."

All four of these patients had undergone stem cell transplants for their blood cancer treatment. Their donors also had the same HIV-resistant mutation that deletes a protein called CCR5, which HIV normally uses to enter the cell. Only 1% of the total population carries this genetic mutation that makes them resistant to HIV.

“When you hear about these HIV cure, it’s obviously, you know, incredible, given how challenging it’s been. But, it still remains the exception to the rule," said Dr. Todd Ellerin, director of infectious disease at South Shore Health.

The stem cell transplantation is a complicated procedure that comes with many risks, and it is too risky to offer it as a cure for everyone with HIV.

However, scientists are hopeful. Each time they cure a new patient, they gain valuable research insights that help them understand what it would take to find a cure for everyone.

“It is obviously a step forward in advancing the science and having us sort of understanding, in some ways, what it takes to cure HIV," Ellerin said.

Source https://abcnews.go.com/Health/5th-person-confirmed-cured-hiv/story?id=97323361

Icuib4cu:
Christians in the house, your inputs are needed for clearer views.

MaxInDHouse:
OP that's the man's PERSONAL opinion, what of yours?

NNTR:
Jesus wasntt discussing symbolism, but He actually was stating a brutal fact about human being births, and thereafter went to mention the two criteria for a human being needed to enter the kingdom of Heaven.

'Born of water' figuratively speaking, is talking of water breaking, and refers to the breaking of the amniotic sac, which surrounds the baby and where the sac, contains amniotic fluid.

When this fluid in pregnant women's wombs, that surrounds a baby, passes and comes out of their bodies, it is indicating that the baby is ready to be born.

So that's exactly what born of water means. Birth. It doesnt mean, as you claim, baptized in water, because of the fact that, the baby in the first place, isnt or wasn't dipped into water

Nicodemus and Jesus are talking of births here. Nicodemus was talking of actual physical birth, while Jesus went beyond and above, to talk of not just only definite physical birth alone but also of actual spiritual birth as well too

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}