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ositadima1:
Who originally owned them?

Israel owned them, before they were driven to exile by the Romans.
If any group of people owned them before the Israelites were driven out by the Romans, let them mention their names and come forward.

ositadima1:
Lol, circular reasoning again. Anyway, what has been said so far is clear.

You cant twist and divert the subject and be asking me what was not the bone of contention.

ositadima1:
No, sir, you are wrong. The occupied West Bank was captured; it was formerly Palestinian territory.

Jerusalem, Shiloh, Hebron, Bethel, Beersheba, Jericho, Bethlehem, Samaria .....captured by who from who? Who originally owns these places?

These are the towns and cities lumped together in the so called ''West Bank'' if you don't know.

ositadima1:
Again, I am asking you one more time: has any country in the Middle East had such a charter, yes or no? Please stop these circular arguments.

My reference was to the Charter of Hamas, Hezbollah and Ayatollah regime, which you said did not exist.
If you now accept and acknowledge that truly these Charter exists for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah regime, then we can talk about any Charter by ''Countries''.

ositadima1:
I did not invent the word “occupied West Bank”, that is what it is called. Please take the time to read, or you’ll end up sounding uneducated.

I have explained the alibi behind the name ''West Bank''. Go back and read it if you want to learn.
I know you would be happy indeed if someone decides to call Onitsha by a new name of ''East Bank''(of river Niger) and decides to remove all the history, antecedents, archaeology, artefacts, landmarks, records and trace of Igbo people's culture from that place so that another tribe can take it and appropriate it as theirs.
You ask yourself if there are no local, traditional name for the town and places there in different from the new English name of ''East Bank''

ositadima1:
I answered you the first time, you’re the one who dragged it out. I told you that in war, people can say anything, just like Trump. Then you started talking about a formal charter by fighting groups. If you want to discuss formal positions, then you have to talk about countries. Is Hamas a country? So who recognizes the charter of a group that is at war?

Is Hamas not fighting Israel? Is Hezbollah not fighting Israel? Is Iran not funding these groups to fight Israel?
If Hamas and Hezbollah should win elections to rule in their locations, won't their govts be fighting to destroy Israel?

The Ayatollah regime had made the declaration to destroy Israel since 1979. You can deny this too if you want.

ositadima1:
So, you agree that no country has such a charter, yes or no? No need to try to rationalize.

Stop asking useless questions
I mentioned Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian Ayatollah regime. Where did you see the word ''country''?

Do you agree that such Charter exist, after you said it does not?

ositadima1:
No country has had any such charters, I can tell you that for free. Those are fighters; as I told you before, people who are fighting can say anything, just look at a recent example from Trump himself.

I mentioned the Charter of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayattollah regimes, and you said such charter does not exist!
Now, you are mischieviously introducing the word ''countries''. Who mentioned ''countries'' here?
Is Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah fundamentalist regimes ''countries''?
These are organizations that have found their ways in or close to power and they are the ones fighting Israel and their Charter says Israel must be destroyed

ositadima1:
There is no such charter, my friend. By the way, what is Nigeria’s charter? Lol.

Now, I am beginning to see hollow and unreasonable your arguments could be

Below is an excerpt of what you claim does not exist

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm

Sunrisepebble:
That would be a generational buying opportunity.
I’m not a bank analyst, so forgive my rough math. Assuming Zenith have exited their forbearance as at FY25, the way GT had in FY24. If they have GT’s level of impairment in FY26 and assuming earnings are flat and payout ratio is also flat. You’re looking at an EPS of N39 and a DPS of N15+

Oloju kokoro

ositadima1:
When at war, anybody can say anything. Did you not read Trump’s message about bombing and destroying the entire civilization of Iran? Does that mean the U.S. wants to remove Iran from the face of the earth?

My friend, I am NOT talking about SATEMENTS made during war!

I am talking about the Charter, the standing foundational Policy Document that underscores the Goals, Mission, Objectives and Strategy of an organization!
It is shameful that you are arguing about what you know absolutely NOTHING about!
Just do a simple research and educate yourself on this.
Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran would even deny you if you claim their aim is not to destroy Israel. Shameful!

SonofElElyonRet:
Zichis coming for IPO.. confirmed

Again!
For how much?
If I enter Zichis, I no want Ellah-like stories ooo

ositadima1:
No, they don’t want Israel destroyed, there is no clear indication of that. Hamas and Hezbollah are fighting for their people and land, which Israel continues to occupy. They cannot engage in full-scale war because Palestine lacks strong backing, so they resort to guerrilla tactics.

Hamas and Hezbollah are not Iranian; Iran supports them with weapons. It’s similar to helping a younger sibling who is in a fight, nothing unusual about that.

All this talk of destroying Israel is largely a result of ongoing exchanges. There is nothing inherently special about Israel. If Nigeria were in that position and had taken land in the same way, they would still have fought Nigeria. There is nothing uniquely special about Jews, my friend.

This is your ignorance talking this time, not mischief!
Go and read the Charter (ultimate Policy document) of Hamas and Hezbollah. It is clearly written in black and white that they seek the total annihilation and destruction of Israel. But here you are defending what you don't even know.
And yet, you are the person that is always quick to pontificate and tell people to go read, think, learn, do research etc

ositadima1:
No, they were not living on the land, those lands were predominantly Palestinian. We’ve discussed this before: Israelites were dispersed a long time ago, and other people settled there, so the land does not necessarily belong to Israel or to Jews.

Similarly, even in the Bible, before the Jews took that land by force, other people were living there. So technically, there is no direct link. You have to respect those who were there when you return or fight.

Another issue is that you repeat things without asking why. Why was Israel attacked? Can your neighbors attack you for no reason? Your idea that U.S. support for Israel is equivalent to China supporting Iran doesn’t fully hold. If Iran and Palestine had received support from China and Russia in 1948, perhaps we would be looking at a very different Middle East today.

It would be very bad for you to transit from mischiefs to outright lies and falsehoods!
There has NEVER been a period in history that Jews were not living in the land of Israel! NEVER!

The fact that the Romans conquered the Jews and drove most of them to exile did not mean there were no single Jew living on the land. There were Jews but in the minority because many Arabs came from neighboring cities and countries to occupy their land.
If you say in the Bible, the Jews took the land from people living there, let those people come back for their land if they are alive and have the means. But the Jews are alive and back to the land they occupied before the Arabs (Palestinians) came. It is first come, first serve!

Seems you believe there can be justification for the attack on Jews!
The attack on Jews is also rooted in the ideology and belief system of the enemies.
Ask yourself why virtually all of the enemies of Israel that attack it are from a particular belief system. Why is the Iranian leader calling himself a supreme, spiritual leader and he is higher than the president, judiciary, legislature all combined?

awesomeJ:
Did you pass O'level maths? you seem not to understand the meaning of "greater or equal"

ositadima1:
That may look terrible, but it is part of war, not necessarily by Iran. It is a form of guerrilla warfare: if you don’t have advanced aircraft, you fight with what you have, which often involves surprise attacks.

Did you take the time to read how Israel was treating Palestinians in the occupied territories before October 7, or does your knowledge start there? Palestinians in their own land were treated in ways many compare to apartheid.

Everything you’re seeing is action and reaction that dates back to after the Second World War. But if you only follow Western media without critical analysis, you won’t understand much.

Rationalizing the actions of the enemies of Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. sponsored by Iran, who want Israel destroyed immediately!
But when Israel reacts and defends itself, you say Netanyahu wants to become uncontested super power in the middle east.

Anyone who says the land belongs to so called ''Palestinians'' should bring out historical records to prove it, not the 1948 rhetoric. Jerusalem, Shiloh, Bethlehem, Beersheba, Hebron etc. are not places that started existing only in 1948.

ositadima1:
I asked him a question to understand Michael’s point of view. It’s clear he is repeating things without understanding them. Now, I can explain why there is friction between Iran and Israel, I’ve actually addressed this before.

After World War II, people who identified as Jews, mostly in Germany and other parts of the world, were compensated by the British and the U.S., the war’s victors. Part of that compensation involved establishing a country for them in the Middle East. After that, Israel began to expand, which contributed to the issues we still see today. With the support of the U.S., Israel has, over the years, taken more land from Palestinians and parts of Lebanon.

In the last 20 to 30 years, America has had little choice but to side with Israel due to powerful Israeli lobbying organizations like AIPAC, which to a large extent influence who gets elected.

You see, your problem is that to you, everything about Israel started from 1945 or 1947.

1. ....Part of that compensation involved establishing a country for them in the Middle East
The LAND of Israel had existed long before they became State. They are still living on the land of their ancestors

2. ....After that, Israel began to expand
How did Israel expand? Israel was attacked severally by enemies from some strategic geo-locations surrounding them so they took over those locations during the war. If Israel was destroyed in those wars, you would not be here pleading for their land to be given back to them.

3....US supports Israel.
Russia, China etc also support Iran. So enough of the noise of US support

RodgersAkpafu:
"Bible and Quran"

You see , just like I correctly diagnosed in a preceding posts.

Did you even ask HOW David got to "take over" Jerusalem?

Even squatter Abraham was roaming about AND MET PEOPLE residing in their supposed "promised land"

Im sure Salahadim will be regretting in his grave right now
He should have done "the needful" when they took charge of Jerusalem

And what is the source of what you typed or your information? Is it not one of the books that you describe in derogatory terms?

ositadima1:
Okay, you don’t have answers...

My advice still stands: do your homework, don’t just echo whatever you hear. Ask questions, seek truth and logic. Thank you.

The answer is in their Charter! They want to wipe Israel off the earth because the believe Israel is usurping the land of Muslims, and the whole of Israel does not deserve to exist.
I thought you must have learnt that in your homework.

NOTE: I seek truth, not necessarily logic because logic is not constant and can be manipulative. But the truth is always constant and endures.
You' re apparently being misled and confused by some of the logic that you bring into issues where only the truth counts and matters most.

ositadima1:
Let’s assume your claims are true, then why? Why would the Ayatollah want to wipe out Israel? You need to calm down and think; I believe that’s far better than regurgitating others’ opinions.

Why would Iran want to destroy the Jews when Jews are also a group within Iran? Or did you not know that? There are Iranian Jews; in fact, one of their synagogues in Tehran was hit and destroyed by an Israeli airstrike a few days ago.

So, why? Learn to think for yourself and filter what you read and hear, it’s a useful skill.

You are still in the business of mischief! Yes, by making reference to Jews in Iran and telling me to ask myself why Ayatollah wants to destroy Israel.
You want me to ask myself why Iran's Ayatollah would want to wipe out Israel?.
But have you answered the question whether it makes any sense at all or if the Ayatollah should be accorded the luxury to explain or justify why he should declare or aim to wipe off another country from the earth? Is the Ayatollah God?
Should he or his followers and believers be allowed to play God to explain or justify such declaration in the first place? Would you accept any reason he gives as justified or justifiable?

It will also do you some good to see everybody contributing on a discourse as being capable to reasoning and making independent inferences and deductions on issues.
No need grandstanding by asking everyone to read, think, learn, educate themselves etc. at the slightest chance on every matter even when you are clearly off track.
The books, journals, publications, researches etc. that you may be reading now, some might have read them over and over long before you discovered them.

RodgersAkpafu:
The person you quoted IS RIGHT

USA and Israel have suffered reputational damage on account of this war

Secondly, all those armed groups iran back in the region are resistance groups that sprung up IN RESPPONSE to Israeli aggression and land grabbing

Im glad you even used the benue and plateau situation, because the Israeli are the fulani herders in this scenario.

I wont be a child growing up in the West Bank or Gaza, then a group of Israeli settlers will come chase me out of my land because one. "uzeless god " somewhere promised you the land, and i would not fight back, ko possible


Two states solution is the way to go, but zig Israel dont want it
What they want is uncontested freeway to land grab and kill with impunity, and there is 48 years of history at the very least to prove it

Trump moving the US embassy to Jerusalem was a provocation that other presidents knew the ramifications of, but refrained from doing it

You are free, with full discretion, to call or describe anybody how you want to. Call Him all the derogatory adjectives you can think of. It is your choice!

All I know is that, there are no historical records anywhere on earth about the Middle east, that are superior or greater in truth, pure fact, authentic evolution than the Bible and Quran.
Thankfully, each side of the divide can relate to at least one of these holy books.
What do these books say about the land in question?
The ruth is the ruth!
I rest my case.

I cannot allow you to come and steal my inheritance and when you are caught, you now tell me that we must share it into two.
Why ask it be shared into two if it truly belongs to you?
Sounds familiar? The King Solomon's parable...

The same Jerusalem that King Solomon ruled over, after his father King David, is not being called some name ''Palestine'', to be shared between some ''people'' and the sons of David!
Palestine ko, Pales nonsense ni!

EDUECO:
The USA created most of the terrorist organizations you listed.

Do you know the number of persons that are killed or become handicapped by gun shootings or violence in the USA?

The USA is a dictator country!

The US created Hamas, Hezbollah and taught them to kill people, shoot Africans, Fillippinos, Thai citizens etc. because they are working in Israel and shout ''Allahu Akbar''?

ositadima1:
What about the damage done to the USA? The petrodollar concept that has helped the U.S. fund its development for almost 50 years is coming to an end. The dollar-for-crude system has been cracked open. It was already happening gradually, with Russia and China increasingly buying and selling crude in non-dollar currencies, and this Iran war will only accelerate that shift.

Regarding Iranian infrastructure, don’t worry, China and Russia are there. Iran will likely rebuild faster than you expect. It has oil (and therefore money) and powerful allies. At the end of the day, they have kept their uranium and still retain the freedom to pursue their missile capabilities. If there was division before, this war may have helped unify the country.

You should be asking: what has the U.S. actually gained from this campaign?

Netanyahu will likely be dissatisfied, as his objective appears to have been the complete destruction of Iran to secure uncontested power in the Middle East.

If I were Iran, I would quickly restock from China and Russia, especially anti-missile systems and air defenses, because Netanyahu could return with another justification for an attack.

You are one of the people who love to twist narratives to serve your interests, even in the face of obvious truth.

The Iranian regime, since 1979 under Ayatollah Khomeini , declared their ambition to wipe Israel off the surface of the earth. Netanyahu was not the PM of Israel at the time.
Ayotallah Khamanei, since coming to power in 1989, continued the declaration and ambition to destroy Israel. Netanyahu was not the PM of Israel in 1989

You are quiet and silent on the unwarranted, irresponsible and reckless declaration and ambition by the Iranian regime to unleash bloodshed and kill Israelis living in Israel, exterminate them from this world by building nuclear weapons and sponsoring terror allies in Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc.
Rather, probably by reason of high-grade anti-Israel mischief, you are now turning around to blame Netanyahu and accuse him of aiming to secure uncontested power in the middle east! How pathetic!

With the direction of your assertions in these matters, I would not be surprised if one day, you blame the leaders of Benue and Plateau and accuse them of fighting the Fulanis because they want to secure uncontested power in the middle belt!

bewla:
It's not a surprise when a student of destruction like you
Open your mouth to spite garbage
At the mercy of your key board

I wish you take a look how destroyed Isreal is

Go and check news outlet not run by Isreal

You won't come and say this like there is victory and winner in this fight

You should be at shame if Iran can last one month with 47 years sanctioned

Ii bet you are not born by then
And you have not witnessed any struggle what so ever

That's why you think it's easy

You people are just one bunch of a people in how you assess things!

Which country has been destroyed more between Israel and Iran?
Which country has lost more citizens in the war between Israel and Iran?
Which side has lost more military officers between Israel and Iran?
Which country has lost more govt officials between Israel and Iran?
Which country sent its citizens to form human shields around their power plants and bridges so they would not be bombed to ashes

EDUECO:
Iraq,Afganistan and Libya were also accused of being therorist nations; but history has shown that it was all propangadas.

The UK also used propagadas to start the Opium war in China.The Opium war was started in order to counteract or destroy the advancing Chinese economy .The USA also used the Covid 19 form of propaganda but it never worked against the Chinese economy because China has learned from the Opium war with the UK.

Both the UK and the USA have the same thing in common;if they cannot control you,they will use propagandas to give you a bad name in order to start a war with you.

So Iran and its proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc. are all propaganda.
A country where women could lose their lives simply because they did not cover their hair!
A country where a young 19 year old boy, a wrestler, could be hanged to death simply because he criticized a president or so called supreme leader? You are a total joke if you support such regime!

EDUECO:
The USA has been begging for cease fire for close to a month now.They(the USA and Israel )met a match in Iran.

So that was why Iran told its citizens to form human chains as shield around the power plants in order to prevent US and Israel from bombing them to ashes? This, in your thinking, is the action that comes from ''a match in Iran''?
A country that lost virtually all its most important leaders in a space of 1 month? This is the expression and fulfilment of your ''a match in Iran''?
There will always be countries that would behave like Iran because of people like you.

OSUigboFlatHead:
I said it countless times that the terrorist war criminal won't dare attack Iran yesterday. He dares not. Na just noise and to buy time to lick his wounds.

On the contrary, You can't trust Satan yahu on a thing like this.
The rabid dog war criminal can still attack unprovoked.
Iran has to be on a lookout and be ready to retaliate immediately they do something stupid.


GOD BLESS IRAN.

Un righteous righteousness2, abi na lie?

So all the bombs on Iran are what?
Iran saved themselves from imminent destruction. Iran succumbed to the bombardments from US and Israel?
If not, why did they send human beings to shield their power plants and bridges? Did Iran not have armed forces that they could send to the power plants to counter US and Israeli forces? Cowards!

EDUECO:
You have been profoundly brainwashed by the USA!

The USA is a dying Empire. The USA was built through free labour(slavery) and intimidation(war)!

China is the real super world power.

Stop the hypocrisy! Slave trade took place in the West(Europe and America) and the East as well, especially by Arab slave traders.

What kind of devilish ideology, mentality and belief system would make a country declare an intention or ambition to exterminate and wipe off another country and then goes ahead to channel and devote huge resources to build instruments of war (nuclear and ballistic bombs) in order to achieve such goal? The whole world cannot be cowed into silence by such terrorist country. Someone needs to put such terrorist country in check. The problem with Trump is he talks too much and gives away too many hints.
Netanyahu understands the game better about how to deal with terrorists!

LabStores:
Good.

These are the native Iranians loyal to their country.

This is the only thing they can do.

Nonsense!
Is Iran not bombing power plants and other civilian infrastructure in other countries? So they cannot take what they dish out to other people?
Their power plant and brides will surely be destroyed unless they hurry to make a deal.
Israeli intelligence in Iran would fashion out where and when to bomb to destroy everything

nlfpmod:

JUST IN:

Iranians are gathering on bridges and around power plants, forming human chains after threats of US and Israeli strikes on Iran's civilian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/DrGFZlfP0E

— Current Report (@Currentreport1) April 7, 2026

Meanwhile, Trump warns ‘a whole civilization will die tonight’ as Iran deadline looms.

Previous thread https://www.nairaland.com/8649008/iran-asks-youth-make-human

Trump is the one making this war to drag and giving Iran the idea on what to do or say
Netanyahu alone would have finished this Iran if not for Trump's unnecessary revelation of the next steps in the war. He just talks too much.
Iran has been bombing power plants and civilian infrastructure in other countries but using human shields to protect its own plants.....just because Trump talks too much! Cowards

GeeKudi:
Who con be the Prof now, broda Mike?

Your own professorship is in absolute relativism?

Na so we see am ooo.
Some professors here dey scatter person brain, on top say NGX dey bearish sef.