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agaugust:
Your SAAF that ran away with Mirage jets from Cuban MiG 23 jets in Angola ?


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During which engagement?

It was the MIG-23s who used their superior engine power to disengage and run.

Name the 1.operation 2. Time. 3. Place.

chris365:
there were also involvements of some PMCs and instructors from US and EU. i saw an AJ DOC about the battle where some white PMCs were instructing the Ugandans on where and how to move. it was a beautiful scene

Yes,some were filmed launching handheld drones.

agaugust:
Every front Every where !

You South Africans are glory thieves. United Nations takes 100% glory for the whole mission of MONUSCO and FIB.

Tanzanian army takes 50% glory for FIB war in Congo.

Malawian army takes 30% glory

South African army takes 20% glory.

A leader is the brain behind the success of the team he led with his own brain.

http://monusco.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?ctl=Details&tabid=10662&mid=14594&ItemID=20029

https://pulitzercenter.org/sites/default/files/styles/overlay/public/10-30-13/dsc07642.jpg

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During which battle?

The commander is not part of the Tanzanian battalion.

Malawi didn't even fight during the heaviest battles around Kibati.

agaugust:
You do not know your own South African history about Korean war, I had to post the battle failures for you above. If you knew it, you would have avoided mentioning it like you avoided Bangui battle with Seleka.


Overall on this forum/topic, Nigerians finally win on facts and figures from page 1 of this thread to this present page.


It is a clear VICTORY for team Nigeria

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Lol.

A well read individual=/=A bloke who hunts articles on google.


Presenting a link to us doesn't show how well knowledgeable you are,about whatever topic we might be discussing.

You're NOT putting any argument forward,but simply presenting articles which are biased in nature.

Answer questions and back then up:

Here's one: On which front did Tz troops lead Saffers?

Henry120:
It is a discussions thread, and were we come to let out stress. No country on planet earth is self-sufficient in full scale wars, everybody has to import one item or the other.

Even the British "begged" Americans for supplies if the war in the Falklands prolonged.

GreenandGold:
Show me the evidence where those were part of the FIB (besides Tanzania and Malawi)....

You're talking bull as usual

The were two Brigades in North Kivu.


1. FIB and North Kivu brigade

The latter was a normal peacekeeping force,without a mandate to go on the offensive.

Augubugubu will make claims as usual. The Indian hinds failed badly to stop M23 advance in 2012,leading the UN to request SA to deploy the Rooivalk.

lezz:
i have looked and findeth nought.. The best i could come up with are multi national operations SA was not leading but were part of. SA's military is a sharp semblance of her foreign policy.... not well tuned or directed.

Get your facts straight and come back for "round 2".

agaugust:
The issue is a mysterious one I won't take sides on.

NAF denies the pilots, why not? He has not been communicating with NAF HQ for the past 25 days.

Nobody has had any contact with the man, so who was with him in the Alpha jet to fly suicide crash into Boko Haram columns?

Who counted the number of dead Bokos at 63 and reported it to newspapers? Who was there when it happened? Who?

You SA guys think I just knock you hard on Seleka battle 'casualty' rate for no reason, but no, it's simple common sense, who was there to count the 1,000 dead Seleka rebels? The same South African army that was overrun and running to the airport for survival?

Have you ever seen a retreating army playing around the battlefield counting dead bodies of his enemies?

Lets just use common sense sometimes
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Sometimes I just feel like laughing at your posts and continue scrolling down. But.............

Ok,using your logic...

1. When a NAF pilot leaves the ground for a combat mission your commanders are totally blind,regarding his position. [ZERO=SITUATIONAL AWARENESS]

2. The casualty of Seleka can be estimated in various ways. Remember one SA soldier was captured and taken behind Seleka lines.

Centrifude:
Yeah very true hey, maybe that's why many Major players like Russia and China don't invest a lot on A.Cs. Lol but you know even with all those weaknesses I still wish S.A had a Couple of Aircraft Carriers though (.___.)

Yeah,I understand.

But our foreign policy will continue to be based in Africa,all that is needed are aerial refuelling planes. With them the Gripens can cover all sub-saharan Africa.

What's needed is an amphibious assault ship.

lezz:
you said SA "had" nuclear weapons but not "have". Then that settles it for it strengthens my argument. Even though i still do not buy most of your assertions.

You don't know SA military history.

Come back with FACTS. OK?

agaugust:
NOPE, YOU PROVE YOUR CLAIMS WITH HISTORICAL FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cuba almost defeated South Africa and you ran to UN for mediation and peace negotiations to settle the war on a round table talk party.

Korea, South Africa only fought visibly in the air with American donated warplanes and 70% of them were sh.ot down by North Korea, SADF wasted almost all the fighter planes America gave you.

Soviet Bloc countries? When did South Africa fight USSR? The fact that your country still exists today proves you never challenged Soviet Union.

Angola-Mozambique, the armies of MPLA and FRELIMO you fought against are now ruling those countries because SADF failed to crush them, so South Africa lost as usual.

Your list surprisingly avoids C.A.R Seleka rebels, you swept that under the carpet because you don't want this forum to humiliate South African army again for your loss to illiterate farmer and teenage rebels who now use captured South African equipment as their own without paying you for transfer of ownership because SANDF ran away in broad daylight.

The whole history of South African military has ZERO record of victory, it's all stalemate or defeat....and you do NOT qualify to judge Nigerian army or even that of Kenya.

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1. Cuba defeat who? Where and when?

2. SA soldiers killed many USSR soldiers,their special forces took a beating from SA commandos.

3. Don't mix politics to what happened on the battlefield.

A. ANC never defeated the SADF in battle but the liberation movement is in power today.

4. Seleka was badly damaged militarily when they entered Bangui,as politics influence battles it was up to politicians to decide whether the SANDF should go in and finish them up.

A. It took Seleka hours to overrun AU checkpoint,but they failed to do the same and capture Bangui. For more than 10 hours they failed to kill all 200 SA troops,which seemed to be an easy task for a force able to field more than 2000 troops

5. You love making claims but when pressed further to reveal your knowledge,you go into hiding only come back with the same old argument.

All this evidence the Nigerian military will still deny their pilot?

http://abusidiqu.com/heroic-last-minute-details-nigeria-airforce-alpha-jet-shot-boko-haram/

lezz:
still did not negate what i have been saying. With all of south africa's advance weaponry, they still have not performed at the international level with their soldiers on foreign soil. And south africa is not Nuclear armed, PLEASE.

SA soldiers performed well in Angola,Tanzania,Korea,Mozambique,Zambia,Botswana,Lesotho,Namibia,CAR,DRC,Korea,Europe and other countries.

SA had nuclear weapons. 6 bombs were already built,plans were now fitting such weapons on ICBMs(intercontinental ballistic missiles)

What's new to others,SA has been doing that since the 80s.

GET YOUR FACRS STRAIGHT.

denisfidha:
Another look at uganda's M4 with the special forces

Are these the "operators" or just members of the special forces units.

I was surprised when they allowed journalists to travel with them to the outskirts of Barawe.

Also why do they pose for pics?

denisfidha:
Running towards the capture of Kismayu by KDF, Pictures were available like every major mission or capture. KDF used social media to describe thier progress like every step they took. part of the war was even being fought on twitter. but since the Westgate attack- KDF whent media silence. But anyway, Kismayu town is relatively more peaceful than any other down in Somalia (I stand corrected)- so i guess they are doing thier job right.
But hope they will start postings pics once again. News Just came in today, An operation in Bula Gadud town that coincided with the Ugandan Forces taking of Barawe http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000137303&story_title=Kenya-kenya-defence-forces-kill-22-al-shabaab-fighters

I heard some of them invaded via the ocean,not much is reported about the KDF operation which is said to include jets.

Regarding the media.

In simplified term can be explained like: The taps of information in most African armies are carefully operated by the high command.

The flow of information is still limited to "independent sources",unlike how UPDF is allowing eNCA,Al jazeera and others to report on the current ops.

Henry120:
LOL............" isn't this the major flaw of many african militaries?".

The Ugandans always have news reporters and photo-journalists with them on each of their ops. I know Aljazeera crew are always with them.

This is the way to conduct operations. Your narrative, just like the french in mali.

We've seen improvements in recent years though.

Our armies are still struggling on where to draw line for journalists,and keep up with social media.

In many many many many times you find military spokespersons having to deny information already confirmed by journalist on the ground and reported on social media,cause they weren't "authorised". "The flow of information".

lezz:
lol. I and maybe the world know of one or two south african military hardware companies but never south african soldiers. We know south african companies have drone capabilities and was attempting nuclear in the 80s or thereabout until the US halted them. Which country has south african soldiers performed their gallantry?

All products from the 80s were designed to meet the needs of the then SADF not exports. Operational requirements for the war in Angola,and what shape the battlefield might take in the 90s if nothing changed.

SA had air deliverable nuclear weapons.

Attempts were on "mounting" them on ICBMs.

Countries?

Cuba,North Korea,Soviet blog countries,Angola to Mozambique.


GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Henry120:
Yeah, i agree. The kenyans capturing of kismayo was also very strategic. Pity not a lot of KDF photos from somalia are currently released.

LOL the Kenyans are camera shy.

I'll try some.

lezz:
still doesnt negate what i said. Good weaponry do not always make good soldier or military. Southafrica supplying US vehicles doesnt make them military giants in any way whatsoever. The only scenario where south african army have triumphed is against apatheid, my humble opinion.

The challenges which influenced the USA to buy "SA design" vehicles,which were introduced to the SA army in the 80s shows what they're going through is something we solved in the 80s.

Listen to your self: Triumphed against apartheid?

Get your facts straight Mr or you're a Nigerian and I should call you a "Oga"?

SA soldiers are admired world over for their fighting capabilities.

Henry120:
Surely it would. The A.U cannot risk eroding the massive gains made. The Ugandans deserve a massive commendation for the successes which have been recorded. They duly deserve it.

Agreed.

The Kenyans too. People reported seeing their jets today too.

We also saw the mighty USA military starting to introduce more wheeled vehicles than tracked ones.

Something armies with real COIN and low intensity warfare experience have been doing!!!!!!!!

[quote author=lezz post=26915924 SouthAfrica that most of you are routing for are indeed well equipped but i must remind you that when they launch a peace keeping mission in Mali or a certain east African country, they were slaughtered like chickens in spite of their advanced weapons.[/quote]It seems you don't know a thing about SA military history nor about our "teen insurgensie'.

The USA and their allies learned in both Iraq and Afghanistan what SA learned in the 70s and 80s.

Their troops were being blown into pieces by IEDs inside their light "Humvees" and other vehicles,to solve this they turned to "SA vehicle design technology" from the 80s!!!!

Ask them about mortars again!!!

agaugust:
So you know all along that Boko Haram spreads propaganda and not truth ! Wow ! Great confession !

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It is a question. Yay or Nay?

GreenandGold:
This is highly recommended to Nigerians, especially you Abububu...

Lmao mate!!!!!!!

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agaugust:
NAF bought Su-30 Flanker and JF-17 Thunder world class jets in your absence, we pop champange drink booze mix am with palm wine
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Have you read or seen BH latest propaganda video?

Henry120:
And without firing a shot. The enemy simply disappeared. It's a very important and strategic victory for the A.U and the Somali national army.

Yup.

http://www.enca.com/africa/east-africa/au-somali-troops-reclaim-barawe

Henry120:
It's a beautiful town. The same architectural style like mombasa, i think.

You'd expect land(towns,villages etc) held by shabaab to be in poor condition.

ArtanK:
Apart from Bu'ale and Bardera, the rest are tiny villages. The locals in those villages would kick Alshaytan out themselves if they had the means to do it.

AMISOM need equipment but they don't need anymore troops, they need to train the Somali soldiers scattered around in the south central regions. Remember AMISOM are leaving Somalia in less than 2 years time therefore thé SNA needs to be empowered and strengthened so when they leave, those regions don't fall back into Alshabab hands again.

Yes,the are small town still with shabaab.

My conclusion on the need for more troops,was influenced by the fact that AMISON will have to commit the same troops used for this operation to capture Barawe to push shabaad out of smaller villages and towns.

This leaves a security vacuum in captured territory,which the ill trained SNA I doubt can fill.

AMISON mission might be extended i suspect.

ThaVluit:
This is crazy. And you know Jonathan just asked for $1 bn!

He should have asked for $100 million extra for SA.

ThaVluit:
True man. The state of emergency's supposed to end soon.

Not anytime soon.

BH won't just melt away after being defeated conventionally,they've demonstrated their capability of using terror(bombings) at the absence of resources to fight the FG Nigeria.

If focus isn't given to improving the police and intelligence agencies after defeating BH openly,they'll be back to square.

1. Bombings.

2. Raids(motorcycles driveby attacks and such)

3. More resources.

4. Challenge openly.

sambos994:
Damn...the heat turned up since i was gone

Turn down for what?

ArtanK:
I'm ecstatic!

It's not just another Al-shabab stronghold, it's their headquarters. As of now, they have no control over any major towns.

They still have some towns under their control.

AMISON needs more troops,resources and equipment.