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Henry120: South-africa's contribution was insignificant in the DRC. The Congolese, Tanzanians and Ukrainian/indian MI-35 pilots did most of the heavy lifting.

South Africa has deployed: 5 Oryx helicopters.
: 3 Rooivalk attack helicopters.
:Cargo handling teams.
: Engineers and mechanics.
: Pilots.
: A battalion group.(With support elements like Recces,signallers,parabats etc)
: Trainers( Colonel Mamadou who was killed on January 1st was trained by saffers,including two of the battalions in his brigade. It was his troops which saw most of the fighting).



Compare that with Tanzania : A Battalion and support elements.
: Special forces.
: Artillery battery.
: Engineers.

Indian Hinds failed to stop M23 in December 2012. M23 even made fun of them.


If you don't know something please SHUT IT.

Henry120: You "sound" so angry. Did I hit a nerve? Anyway, it ain't happening. You got no money to afford avation fuel, much less additional military procurements.

First start by purchasing aviation fuel, until then, ZIP it.

Aviation fuel?

Our C-130BZs flew to Lagos around last week!!!

That says it all.

GreenandGold: While we lost 0 troops in military campaigns in the DRC.

And our Malawian and Tanzanian allies lost more than 4 casualties each,through combat and accidents.

Henry120: Let's get this straight.

Nigeria has Africa's most Robust coastal surveillance system in place. Nigeria has also placed orders for an additional 6 surveillance planes.

Nigeria is not struggling to deal with pirates off our coast, we have effectively managed the issues of Piracy OFF Nigerian waters.

S.A is building no OPV's, you're too broke to carry out any procurements as revealed by your defence minister , plus you have that investigation going on. The only country building a stealth OPV in Africa is Nigeria.

Nigeria remains the only African leader.

LOL!!! Butthurt!!!!

Didn't DoD just give the go head for Denel to produce 238 Badgers?

Didn't the SANDF just award a contract for upgrading SA GDF-005 and 002 guns to be upgraded to Skyshield standard?

China built all your OPVs!! Shut up!!

agaugust: Give us source to prove Valour frigates can be refuelled at sea by SAS Drakenberg and give us prove Valour frigates did not refuel in Brazil before returning home.

Soon Simons town navy base will be empty of warships with this your mis-adventure of patrolling the whole Gulf Of Guinea 12,000 km sea travel to and fro....your Submarine will soon hit sea bottom again

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Listen to your self.

Canada,Australia subs have hit sea bottom during exercises.

You're scared of SA subs that bad?

More OPVs are going to be built HERE not THERE!!!!!

agaugust: Bwhahaha

Nigerian navy has capacity to patrol the waters of both South Africa and Egypt at the same time.

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What you buffoons don't know is that your Valour frigates have fuel to only reach West Africa and return home WITHOUT DOING ANY CIRCULAR PATROL because if your shiny warships try that patrol, they will run out of diesel in Gulf of Guinea and start begging Nigeria for free 50 Litre jerry cans of diesel to go back home.


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SAS Drakensberg.

Can support them,like they didn't when heading to Brazil.

Time for Nigeria to take their SBS and SF units for real training in Zimbabwe.

But we know,almost all of them will fail the selection course.

Henry120: That's because it's a different post.

Contradiction.

agaugust: [size=13pt]

Nigerian army Struggling? Phone Hellfire ask 'Shekau'

Piracy, ask Angola how Nigeria saved her Greek ship while South Africa was too sluggard to realize it should have been patrolling it's SADC region.

USA/NATO/China used their super naval sea power to save Somalian waters from pirates, why did South Africa never move up there when it was terror days at sea? You avoided the hot zone for America and Europe to save.

Gulf of Guinea, why is South Africa just coming after Nigeria has received or ordered to almost receive 2 long range NNS Thunder class OPVs and 2 extended range NNS Centenary class stealth OPVs with the best sea search eagle sharp eye radar in the world, why did you wait for all this to happen?

Why did South Africa wait till Nigeria ordered 7 extra units of ATR-42 Surveyor to increase our super sea search fleet to 9 units of ATR-42 mighty ISR+MPA aircraft the most powerful anti-piracy fleet in Africa and makes NAF one of the best in the world for long range ocean security operations, why did you wait till now?

Why is South Africa just coming after Nigerian Navy launched and users new radar satellite that penetrates clouds to monitor the whole Gulf of Guinea and detect/track/intercept any pirates as we did to save Angola, why wait till Nigeria has spent almost $2 Billion to purchase and deploy sophisticated world class survellance and patrol equipment in the Gulf of Guinea before South African navy remembered that pirates are there?

Only one answer to all these 'Why's....

"Nigerian navy and NAF, we South African navy CANNOT do the hard job, since you have done the hard part, we just want to come and share a part of your glory, that is what we South Africans know how to do best"
- South African Nation

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Hahahaha Nigeria is struggling!!!!!!

I'll ask you again: 1.who's "Shekau"? 2. What's "shekau"? 3. Is BH naming its leaders "Shekau"?

Your military went from COIN to Semi-conventional warfare with those poor funded littel devils.

The Nigerian military failed to contain BH,to being "ghost in the bushes".

SA IS COMING UP!!!!!!!!!!

Centrifude: Well at first I didn't understand why india would be selling awesome planes like Su-30s until I did a bit or research and I found out that the reason they sold them is that the commanders had realised that they are now obsolete compared to modern standards, and that's why I also consider it to be obsolete in a way, thing is I know the Su-30 is an awesome plane I'm just tired of Seeing us Africans buy stuff from someone's garage sale, or from a second hand store.

No,they're not obsolete.

The SU-30Ks Angola bought lack canards,trust vectoring and advanced sensors such as the long range radar installed on other flankers.

With support they downed many USA F-15s in an exercise.

Also keep in mind that,these jets can be upgraded the fact that they didn't meet India's needs doesn't mean they're obsolete.

The only worrying factor is how they were kept in Russia.

Henry120: No, the link clearly states funding issues.

Broke SAAF.

You only got 10 Rooivalks.

Funding in 90s? When SA ordered 26 Gripens?

In the 90s when SAAF has more than 40 fighter jets?

In 90s when SAAF had than 20 transport planes.

You can't put an argument,you're now resorting cheap claims.

Henry120: No it means, it is literally gathering dust in your parliament.

Didn't I just read some post where you said "that's a figure of speech".

Now you're using saying "literally gathering dust".

Henry120: You need to check into a mental facility.

You frigates coming to namibia.

UP!!! To the west coast!!!!!.

While Nigeria is still struggling with pirates and terrorists,when you're done securing your land and waters. SA will be sending new SA built OPVs,consolidating our leadership.

Henry120: No, the link clearly states funding issues.

Broke SAAF.

You only got 10 Rooivalks.

Funding in the 90s? When SA ordered 28 Gripens?

In the 90s when SAAF had more than 40 fighter jets?

In 90s when SAAF had than 20 transport planes.

You can't put an argument,you're now resorting cheap claims.

Henry120: I do hope they do, Chad is a very dependable partner. However 3 MIG-29's and 2 SU-25's represents a very tiny fleet.

I believe they only ordered 2 C-27J's.

They're building.

Introducing "100" airframes overnight might lead to maintains issues in the near future. Similar to concerns people were raising about Nigeria,that after the war when funding will be redirected to "socio-economic needs".

Such as the rehabilitating process to follow the war in NE. The armed forces will have difficulties,Angola faced the same problems after the civil war.

Chad buying 2 C-27Js opens the door,for an follow on order. As they'll likely be retiring their antonovos.

Like the Egyptians and the C295.

agaugust: Zimbabwean army generals came to Nigeria for training that's want the newspapers say and Zimbabwe did not dispute it.

Don't feel too humiliated that Zimbabwe rates SANDF so poorly, blame Seleka for your endless woes
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Your SBS won't pass ZDF SF selection course.

18 Hours. High intensity. Not giving up. Command not breakdown. Not Surrendering. Inflicting high casualties.

Henry120: There is barely any Airforce in my region. I wish Algeria/Morocco or Egypt was a next door neighbour.


Of course they won't, asides the politics, it's also a very expensive plane to purchase and fly ( 45,000+ an hour). It's a very beautiful plane all the same.

Chad is building its small air force,into an effective force for its needs.

In recent years we've seen them procuring fighters and ordering transport planes like the C-27J spartan.

African air forces or armed at large are replacing cold war era 90s weapons systems. Expect to see more orders in your region.

Centrifude: dudes don't take this ish too seriously man, in some way every person on this thread is full of Bullsh*t ... This thread wouldn't be as interesting If both sides tried keeping the sanity or being logical and it wouldn't have lasted this long.

This thread would've closed long ago,if we had a constructive debate.


But Neaaaaaaah!!!!


But we love it this way

Henry120: Speak for the SAAF. We know you can't afford aviation fuel.

The only reason NAF would not purchase this, is due to un-certain politics.

You know,this will be used against you in the near future right?

Henry120: Lies!!!!!

You always support Augaugust. You're just only too ashamed to admit it.

Do you really think I take that comedian with limited military knowledge serious?

agaugust: We don't earn our daily bread here, Seun Osewa does that with his Nairaland adverts that keep popping up our screen.

Find another way of becoming a saint and ruler of the world, judge of the character of men.

Close down this thread if that is your own contribution, NOBODY will lose ANYTHING except Seun Osewa that will lose his pop up adverts.

Go threaten your family at home, not we people here
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This is the only time,I'll be backing your view augubugubu. 10/10!!!!!

Hostermipo: I am giving the last warning, this thread may be closed very soon.

*breaking rules Number 1 and 2 *

we will make this forum "ungovernable",we will protest!!!!!

Freedom of speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't wanna see people having gun?

agaugust: Same way a few Americans junior ranks came to SANDF to learn how to survive stranded in the bush by roasting lizards for meat
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Basic bush survival skills.

You wouldn't know that. Operators eat and drink anything from snakes,scorpions and extracting water from trees and guts of animals.

You think SF units on missions in the deep African bush,will eat pasta?

Unlike some country's "SF" which gets trained abroad to fight in AFRICA.

agaugust: Zimbabwean army generals came to Nigeria for training that's want the newspapers say and Zimbabwe did not dispute it.

Don't feel too humiliated that Zimbabwe rates SANDF so poorly, blame Seleka for your endless woes
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Training Generals?

Your so called SF can't pass ZDF SF selection course.

agaugust: Angola is 1,000 km away from Nigeria and that is more than a stone throw

NN is not worried about SAN.

NA artillery will sink your Frigates up to 30km from our coast.

NAF ATR-42 will find and direct Alpha Jets to sink your Frigates 500km away from our coast.

Whatever you do outside our EEZ oil rich zone, we don't care, it's international free waters that belongs to nobody.

Feel free to even fish there, it's NOT Nigerian territory, just beware of France that has Navy ships sailing around Gabon....or else you will be made to realize that white men ruled you till 1994

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You do realise those are dreams right?

NA artillery ?

So France is around too? Well the isolation is tightening.

Centrifude: Angola is seriously arming up ey. Almost upgrading everything, but I'm not feeling the Su-30s they bought from India ey, those were already considered to be obsolete by india.

They are not obsolete.

They lack stuff like canards and stuff.

They're the same sukhois India downed many F-15s with,during some exercise years back.

agaugust: Nigerian military academy trained Zimbabwean military officers for many years.

Now 2014 Zimbabwean army generals are in Nigeria to learn modern COIN warfare tactics, they accept us as superior, they know SANDF is inferior that's why the traveled from your own SADC region to school in ECOWAS region under a Nigerian army training academy
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Your SF won't pass ZDF sf selection course.

Visits are normal,SA has been visited by Chinese,Turkish,Indian,Japanese,Ugandan and many senior defence officials and generals.

agaugust: Your source says will patrol Angola and Namibia only, so go buy Atlas map to see where West Africa starts from . Olodo rabata !

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Are you scared a real Africa power is coming within a stone throw away from your sea oil installations?

Don't worry SA is coming for pirates and protecting its interests.

ActivateKruger: Please elaborate....

Phase 2,of procuring new uniforms.

"Taking" new patterns for OT&E. Remember CSIR was experimenting with new camos?

Determining the sizes our soldiers,cuts etc.

Henry120: More like South-african navy running your Subs to the Sea bed.

More like our frigates coming to west Africa.


Dream on dreamer,one day you'll wake up with saffers building a naval base in Cameroon.

ActivateKruger: We could have bought that if we wanted to... anyway we not interested in Russian used junk.

The Russians come to us.

agaugust: Rand is local currency SA prints at home, show us dollars/Euros that can buy Badger IFV and CRAM from Europe

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A production contract has already been signed for Badger IFV.

Also a contract for the twin barrel guns upgrades was signed months ago.

Production and Upgrades will done here IN SA. We are not Nigeria.