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agaugust: F-7 jet is a year 2008 and 3.5 Generation jet. all those other nigerian jets have just come back from full scale modernization and upgrades costing about $150 million, and Alpha jets are newly upgraded and specially configured for maritime/sea/naval combat.

the nigerian jets are 13km above sea level, the umkhonto missile cannot harm them. FACT !!!

its a big riddle all you south africans cannot solve since last month i posted it. please try again

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They don't have stealth features,meaning a Umkhonto missile can bring them down to the sea easily. Nigeria has 12 F7 only vs 16 Umkhonto missiles. And all Bombs and missiles can be destroyed by the Denel dual gun. Now Nigeria ranks below South Africa reason being lack of experience in conventional warfare.

agaugust: Because it is a d.eadly military anti-shipping tactic from professional jet fighter pilots with air to ground combat experience.

i sink your valour frigate from the air. naval blockade fails. south african navy is deleted. FACT !!!

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Show us your combat kills. To prove Nigeria is capable of doing this rubbish you posted.

agaugust: Mig 21 vs Mirage F1 = Cat vs Lion = s.tupid example of professional air to air combat k.ill

Failed !!! please try again....

If I was asked to show a "cat on cat" kill. Your above silly analogy would fit it,so that a combat kill or want me show you MIG23s bought down by SADF or UNITA SAMs?. Show me Any Nigerian combat kill,if there's non your lacks a lot of combat experience.

agaugust: 50 nigerian air force Alpha jets, MBB-339 jets, L-29 Jets, and F-7 jets are flying overhead to carpet bomb and sink a south african navy Valour frigate warship with 250 cluster bombs while the 50 jets fly at 13km above sea level. the south african valour frigates fires 16 Umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles that have range of 15km but the missiles were NOT able to harm any of the nigerian jets when fired...why ?

thats a challenge above, solve the riddle now

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Ok, Here's the thing Nigeria will never deploy all its fighters against a single target. Cause we know some of your jets are busy with the on going failing operation against BH. The Nigerian jets are obsolete and don't have any stealth features,so a Umkhonto missiles simultaneous defence firing will take out 16 jets. Which will be devastating for your country.

agaugust: hahahaha Cuban Mig 21 jet is a year 1959 outdated jet fighter, South African Mirage F-1 jet is a far more modern 1973 jet fighter with a very wide 24 year technology gap and advantage over the Cuban jets it shot down....what a s.tupid comparison

me too i can use nigerian F-7 jet to shoot down a south african Impala jet now !

try another joke please

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That's a combat kill. Now show me Nigerian combat kills(aerial).

agaugust: the bullets that killed thousands of Japanese soldiers were fired from the rifles in the hands of nigerian soldiers in the Burma jungle....or you mean 100 british officers were personally pulling rifle triggers by holding the hands and fingers of 50,000 nigerian soldiers in the battlefield ? fool

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South Africa's WW2 achievements include: Production of almost 6 000 armoured vehicles,30 000 logistics vehicles and 600 artillery guns. Munutions were also produced in vast quantities,including 700m rounds of .303 rifle ammunition,40% of what the allied forces' requirements. While Nigerians were carrying heavy equipment on their heads.

chris365: as if you've ever managed to make one clear cut military analysis on this thread. all i've seen from you are cut and paste information and you believe that qualifies you as having knowledge? aside from SANDF, what else do you know? find one place sit down abeg.

hmm! so my saying your troops are hiding their guns as reference to your commanders admittance that your troops will not fight doesn't seem metaphorical to you? okay. keep waiting then. and while you are at it, show proof of that fake sitrep on the front lines you just yapped.

You said that cause you clearly don't have information about what's going in the frontlines,Believing politician the same reason you believe Nigeria is winning the war against BH. You don't hava information,making you a liar,a fool,some I..diot who fantasies about war. I dare you to challenged Mike..ZA on any military topic. and is this you accepting you wrong?

agaugust: please tell me where was the british help for nigerian army's about 50,000 soldiers who killed thousands of Japanese army men in Burma jungle battles of world war II

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Your troops(whom carried heavy equipment on their heads) never held the rank of a officer. They were always commanded by a white british man or officer. NOW show me
combat kills bloody Nigerian.

agaugust: ....in world war II, 70 years ago ancient sea combat, and with american/british help too

please talk modern war of jets flying...at least a MiG-15 up to MiG-29 Jets.

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Mr are you showing me the confirmed combat kills Nigeria has?. South Africa didn't receive help from America and Britain to sink a German submarine.

agaugust: ....in world war II, 70 years ago ancient sea combat, and with american/british help too

please talk modern war of jets flying...at least a MiG-15 up to MiG-29 Jets.

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1981-11-06 : F1CZs of 3 Squadron downed two
Angolan MiG-21s in 1981 and 1982. On 6
November 1981, during Operation Daisy, two
F1CZs were vectored by GCI to intercept two
MiG-21s heading south. Major Johan Rankin shot
down the wingman using cannons. On 5 October
1982, while escorting a Canberra of 12 Squadron
on a photo-reconnaissance sortie, Major Rankin
and his wingman engaged two MiG-21s on an
intercept course. He fired two Magic AAMs at one
of the MiGs, damaging the aircraft with the
second missile. The MiG was able to recover back
to base but sustained additional damage in a
belly landing. Rankin then attacked the second
MiG and destroyed it with cannon fire.

chris365: trying to walk in my path ehn? how else would you explain your response to his comment




see why i say don't always be in a hurry? you just keep exposing your loose brain. am done with your fried brain

Sorry to interrupt but Mr are you showing me where Zuma and the SANDF said "SANDF members in the DRC are hiding their weapons from M23"?. How can someone like you(a person who posts rubbish military stuff,and doesn't even know what's going on in the frontlines of on going conflicts across the globe) say something like "am done with your fried brain?. Seek knowledge first boet!

agaugust: the grandfather of Seleka war propaganda...impossible kill ratio 1:161

tiny Cuba defeated 'big' South Africa in military battle. FACT !!!!!

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So here is what the SADF General had to say:-
Everybody seems to ignore the total wipe out of
the FAPLA / CUBAN / RUSSIAN / SWAPO / MK force
at the Lomba river just prior to Quito. The
intention was to occupy Jamba and they were
destroyed long before getting even close. They
also refuse to refer to a similar result at Techipa
where another force was totally destroyed when
they tried to draw the attention of SADF forces
away from developments at the Lomba.
They are also very quiet about the fact that the
Cuban commanding general was killed by Cuban
firing squad. How a victorious commander could
face such an outcome, boggles the mind.
Once Castro has been laid to rest, the real truth
about the Cuban experience in Africa (and
elsewhere) will surface from Cuba itself, and the
truth will eventually triumph exactly in the
fashion it always does.

chris365: fact still remains that the G6 didn't help you win the war. so you can stop posting this info unless it's about how you won a war with it.

The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won."

agaugust: the biggest Naval battle ever fought in Africa is that of Nigerian Biafran war.

NO submarine war has ever been fought in all African history...fool, real fool

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South Africa is the only African country that has ever sunk a sub marine(U boat). Deal with it Mr!!!!! Now show those combat kills please.

agaugust: ...the artillery could not win the war for south africa, Cuba defeated you in a major battle, your army was encircled, your pretoria president called for peace negotiation immediately...Cuba, that tiny Cuba defeated south afrian military

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Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. The bulk of the Cuban forces advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers.

The stalemate at Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension by the SADF and may have had some bearing on the fact that a peace accord was agreed soon afterwards.

United Nations-mediated negotiations took place with the aim of achieving peace in and independence for South-West Africa/Namibia and the South African ground troops completed their withdrawal from Angola on 30 August 1988 before the negotiations were concluded."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won."

agaugust: you have time to read war history details about Biafra war ? land to land, air to sea, air to air, air to ground combats ? yes, read this...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/SMR.htm

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Show me confirmed combat kills Mr. I did read lot about Biafra war "air combat" and france was flying in weapons with charted aircrafts why didn't you intercept this aircrafts? Giving you "black scorpion" terrible headaches. NOW SHOW ME COMBAT KILLS.

agaugust: ...the artillery could not win the war for south africa, Cuba defeated you in a major battle, your army was encircled, your pretoria president called for peace negotiation immediately...Cuba, that tiny Cuba defeated south afrian military

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Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. The bulk of the Cuban forces advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers.

The stalemate at Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension by the SADF and may have had some bearing on the fact that a peace accord was agreed soon afterwards.

United Nations-mediated negotiations took place with the aim of achieving peace in and independence for South-West Africa/Namibia and the South African ground troops completed their withdrawal from Angola on 30 August 1988 before the negotiations were concluded."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

agaugust: all the about 100 aircraft/jet fighters, half a million soldiers, many hundreds of tanks, APC, artillery, frigate warships, etc they were not killing each other, they were all doing beer drinking party all through the Biafran war, a beer drinking party in which 100,000 soldiers died ! fool soweto born fool

go confirm the Biafra war combat kills by looking into a soweto sangoma's spy balloon crystal ball...first class fool



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Show me confirmed combat kills Mr. Cause if your military can't confirm kills it shows,your armed forces are an "ill organised boys". And yeah!! Sangomas are better compared to men dancing with wild hyenas,snakes,turtles and monkeys. Back again Stop posting nonsense and show me how many aerial,MBT etc combat kills your have your forces. NIGERIA LACKS EXPERIANCE of joint operations meaning your country can't invade another well organised and equipped country.

chris365: the boy remains predictable

he responded with another yapping

watch as he responds to this one too

Don't forget to show me where the SANDF and Zuma said "The SANDF members in eDRC are hiding their weaapons from M23".

agaugust: the 500,000 soldiers were all nigerians, except about 8 Biafran hired european mercenaries and about 10 nigerian hired soviet/egyptian/etc mercenary pilots.

all infantry/armoured/artillery men were 100% nigerians

all navy sailors were 100% nigerian

all airforce pilots were 99% nigerian.

nigerian air force pilots piloted all our helicopters and transport/ recce aircraft. newly recruited nigerian air force pilots were trained in Russia in 1968, we took over the combat flight of most of our Mig 17 and Il-28 jets from 1968 to 1970, the mercenary pilots were used alone ONLY at the beginning of the war to match Biafra's air superiority sincee nigeria had no combat jets when the war broke out.

after about 6 months training, nigerians were flying MOST of our jet fighters in air to air and air to ground combat with biafra. nigerian air force pilots flew jets in combat, from 1968 to 1970, flying most of our MiG-15, MiG-17, MiG-19, Ilyushi-28, L-29 Delfin, all are Jet fighters and Jet bombers.

you dont know war history, i keep educating you daily....say thank you my boy



Other MiG-17 users

Twenty countries flew MiG-17s. The MiG-17 became a standard fighter in all Warsaw Pact countries in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

At least 24 of them served with the Nigerian Air Force and were flown by a mixed group of local Nigerian and mercenary pilots from East Germany, Soviet Union, South Africa, the United Kingdom, and Australia during the 1967-70 Nigerian Civil War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17

here is are some of the many nigerian air force pilots in the Biafra war, most nigerian pilots were trained to fly 5 or more different types of aircrafts/jets at the same time...dont mess around with nigeria ! we are the best black brains in the whole world :

The emergence of Air Vice Marshal John Nmadu Yisa-Doko can be said to have signalled the maturation of the NAF.

He enrolled into the NAF as a cadet in 1962 and was one of the pioneer officer cadets sent to the Imperial Ethiopian Air Force for pilot training between 1962 and 1964. On return from Ethiopia, he was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in 1964. His other military service training include: Advanced Flying Training (German Air Force), 1965; Type Rating (5 NAF aircraft types), Kaduna 1965-1970;

When Air Marshal Ibrahim Mahmud Alfa joined the NAF, little did he know that he was to later become the first NAF officer to attain the highly esteemed rank of Air Marshal.

At the outbreak of the Civil War, he commanded the NAF Detachment at Benin. He attended the MiG 15 and MiG 17 Conversion Course at Dakar in the then Soviet Union (USSR) in August 1967.

i wont go further to post more of nigerian civil war pilots like[b] air marshal A.D Bello[/b] who was the best pilot in the American air force academy he got trained for the Biafran war, he beat all the white american pilots in the academy.

south africans, dont you mess around with nigerian military men ! FACT !


http://www.nigerianairforce.net/nigerianairforce/PastChiefs/AVMYisa-Doko.aspx






small skirmish ? Biafran war is rated by international military analysts as HIGH LEVEL FULL SCALE CIVIL WAR

SOURCE http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/biafra.htm

if biafra war, largest in african history, is a small skirmish, then south africa vs cuba bush war is just a riot

Show me confirmed combat kills. Not a bunch of rubbish posts like the one above.

NaijaPikinGidi: Enjoy your nightmares trying to locate me!

You want us to locate you?

chris365: yet you lambaste @augugust whenever he says facts due to his interaction with military personnel without links. you lots are just a bunch of hypocrites.

if you don't have proof, just shut it and let us rely on available and reliable information so far... from your commander in chief

Then Show me where Zuma said "SANDF members employed in the DRC are hiding from the M23". The M23 clearly said "The SANDF has engaged us". They haven't fired another mortar shell after the SANDF replied with the 81mm long range mortar on Friday.

chris365: this is my proof from your commander in chief i posted earlier..

SA troops in DRC won’t fight M23: Presidency

now call him a liar and ignorant, then i'll believe you

and am still waiting for your own proof.. that if you have any

Prove it to me that the SANDF members in eastern DRC are hiding their weapons. Show me where Zuma said "SANDF members in eDRC just hid their weapons from M23".The accurate NTW-20 sniper rifle is giving M23 machine gun "crews" 'scaring times' to mount positions or nests.

chris365: this is my proof from your commander in chief i posted earlier..

SA troops in DRC won’t fight M23: Presidency

now call him a liar and ignorant, then i'll believe you

and am still waiting for your own proof.. that if you have any

M23 is losing ground. FARDC has reached their famous post on the antennas + plus a estimated 30 POWs. Let's talk about facts on the ground,I have reliable sources in eastern DRC.

agaugust: same way Nigerian F-7 jet is better than the air forces of 40 other african countries

can we also begin to compare Nigeria with Togo republic and praise ourselves too ?

Did you know: The GV5 artillery system can reach a speed of 16km/h? This gun was used to destroy airfields and destroyed four enemy MIGs. I'm still waiting for your combat kills.

chris365: lol.. and you just proved how stup1d you are by referring me to a M23 twitter account when there are thousands other sources of information.

or refer your president and defense minister to M23 twitter account since you just confirmed their ignorance.

post sources to prove your imaginary simulations or just shut up.

I refered you to their account cause you clearly said the "SANDF soldiers were hiding their guns" from M23. And oh Brigadier General Xolani Mabaga didn't release any statement about the recent fighting. Prove it to me again that the SANDF is hiding. PROVE IT!!!!

agaugust: 5,000 niger delta militants alone will paralyze south africa...pretoria has a plastic backbone

I thought you were coming back with the information I challenged you to provide Mr. "Show us confirmed combat kills from MBTs(main battla tank),counter battery,hostile jet fighter interception. Any record of Nigerian howitzers destroying armoured fighting vehicles,infantry,MBTs,anti aircraft systems and APCs".

chris365: so it's now a bad thing that i didn't follow M23? which i have no intention of following anyway. so what's your point

If you were interested or knowledgeable about wars. It would be only normal for you to follow and keep an ear an both or more "parties" involved in the fighting. My point is: @Chris365 posts rubbish without knowledge about what actually goes on in the frontlines. YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!!But your nearest library can cure that.

chris365: source please.. you don't wanna bore us with your imaginary simulations would you?

You simply don't "follow" wars.

chris365: the only proof i keep seeing are the statements from your president and military commanders. am not an M23 follower on twitter. i say what i see, and i saw your troops hiding their guns

Follow @m23congordc on Twitter. M23 recently tweeted that the SANDF was involved in the fighting.

zaandrew: While the higher ups where claiming that sandf was not envolved in any combat it has come out that the SANDF shelled M23 postions with mortas and took out a MG post in 2 seprate occasions. What is being said is not what is being done.

Tanzanian troops are providing artillery support to FARDC. While the SANDF is firing 81mm mortars,but the SANDF snipers used the NTW-20 to take out that Machine nest which was used to pin down the FARDC troops.

chris365: just as i thought.. SANDF scared to fight real battles. and these clowns here want to claim involvement in a fight their troops are hiding their guns from .SMH

SA troops in DRC won’t fight M23: Presidency
The Presidency says South African soldiers deployed in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) will not be engaged in armed combat with that country's M23 rebel group.
http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/bb81bc8040d7218bb67cb7434f2981a1/SA-troops-in-DRC-won't-fight-M23:-Presidency

i always knew the deployment was to save face from the embarrassment they face in the hands of seleka. SANDF are toy soldiers and they keep proving it

lost to seleka, losing to poachers, hiding their guns from M23 while their mandate is to fight and dislodge rebels.. real toy soldiers

this is the new SANDF

"Hiding their guns from M23"? Please follow M23 on Twitter,cause they clearly said the SANDF was engaging them. And only one SANDF soldier was injured from shrapnel.