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agaugust: same way south africa used that same G6 howitzer to crush the entire Cuban army in Angolan bush war by rushing to the peace negotiation table to beg Cuba for settlement ?

i feel like exiting this thread of fools

Show me how will Nigeria "neutralise" or destroy the G6 and G5 guns. Nigeria doesn't have the air power to destroy SA ground forces. Your Rolands will be taken out QUICK like the sam-8 in the bush war.

agaugust: .



nigerian air beetle trainer aircraft built in nigeria.

http://malaysiaflyingherald./2013/01/23/made-in-nigeria-trainer-and-uav/

air beetle is the first...photo below

[img]http://malaysiaflyingherald.files./2013/01/naf-076rv-6aairbeetle.jpg[/img]



AFIT-FARAWA aircraft is the next coming made in nigeria aircraft, no photo yet, it is code-named and secret for now.


He added, "The pilots are making significant progress in their training and they now conduct some of their training flights with the NAF AMEBO 11 in preparation for the test flight of the AMEBO 111 and its subsequent series. The institute is also currently working on a project on the development of an indigenous primary trainer aircraft code-named AFIT FARAWA"

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307231128.html
.

Local assembled!!!!!!!!!

agaugust: same way south africa used that same G6 howitzer to crush the entire Cuban army in Angolan bush war by rushing to the peace negotiation table to beg Cuba for settlement ?

i feel like exiting this thread of fools

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles" Show any account,where the cuban
Wiped out an entire battalion.

agaugust: you quoted from wikipedia ? an invisible weblink ? how do we verify your claim ? 33% south african brain

South Africa is the first African country to fly a manned war plane. Did you know "village Ni-gay-rian boy"?

agaugust: you quoted from wikipedia ? an invisible weblink ? how do we verify your claim ? 33% south african brain

Let's talk about how South Africa can destroy or crush,the entire Nigerian army with 2 batteries of the G5+ 2 batteries of the G6 howitzers.

agaugust: you quoted from wikipedia ? an invisible weblink ? how do we verify your claim ? 33% south african brain

the Decisive Battle
On 2 October the South African Recces
reported
that 47 Brigade had managed to construct a
wooden road across the marshes which were
blocking their retreat to the Lomba River.
Trucks,
missile carriers, armoured cars and tanks were
busy assembling at the treeline, preparing to
make an orderly retreat across the road.
The Recces watched from their vantage points
in
nearby trees and called in artillery fire on Fapla
while the SADF combat groups worked
furiously
to get ready and into position.
The first Fapla vehicles to try to cross were
Soviet
Sam-9s. One crossed to safety but the Recces
guided artillery fire onto the second as it tried
to
cross, destroying it and effectively blocking the
bridge. The Fapla troops sent a T-55 tank to try
and move it out of the way, but without
success.
Every time Fapla tried to make a move the
Recces
would call in highly accurate artillery salvoes.
For
48 hours without sleep or rest the Recces
stood
guard over Fapla's escape route, calling in
artillery
fire at the slightest movement, until at last
they
heard the distant rumble that announced the
arrival of the armoured cars of 61 Mechanised
Battalion.
The Ratels of 61 Mech had a variety of
armaments, from infantry carriers with 20mm
guns to the tank-busting 90mm gun. Unita
troops had by now positioned themselves to
the
south-east of 47 Brigade in case they tried to
break away in that direction.
Fapla artillery began to bombard the
approaching Ratels and Migs flew overhead to
lend support and cover 47 Brigade's escape.
The
Ratels went in to attack. Fapla, accustomed to
seeing Unita beat a hasty retreat whenever
their
tanks appeared, tried the same tactic and sent
their tanks towards the SADF positions. To their
dismay the South Africans' reaction was the
exact
opposite - they attacked. The Ratels raced for
the
tanks, surrounding them and dodging back
and
forth until they could get behind them and
shoot
at the comparatively vulnerable rear ends of
the
tanks.
Major Laurence Maree, second-in-command of
61
Mech, later told the British journalist and
author,
Fred Bridgland:
"I can't tell you how much courage it takes in a
Ratel driver and gunner when a tank is
charging
towards them to summon up the will to stop
still
for long enough to stabilise their firing platform
and get their round off. [Unlike a T54/55 tank,
which has built-in stabilisers and can fire on
the
move, a Ratel, like other armoured cars, can
only
fire from a static position]. Of course, as soon
as
they'd fired, off they sprinted like Turbo-
charged
hares. One of our guys died that afternoon
facing
down a T-55 in his Ratel. A 100mm shell from
the
tank skipped up from the sandy ground and
went
right through the turret. The Ratel
commander,
Lieutenant Hind, was terribly wounded and he
died later. We had two others very seriously
wounded that day, and another three with
light
wounds. The medics just pulled the shrapnel
out
of those who were slightly hurt, cleaned up the
wounds, and they went straight back into
combat." (1)
The Fapla troops, although outgunning the
South
Africans and outnumbering them 4 to 1, began
to
lose their nerve and one of the battalions
suddenly made a break towards the river. They
streamed across the open grassland towards
the
river in an undisciplined mob and the South
Africans brought down MRL fire and high-
explosive mortar shells on them. A second
battalion also broke and ran for the river, with
the
Ratels chasing them. Approximately 100
vehicles
were now jostling to try and reach the bridge
by
way of the wooden road. Recces directed
artillery
fire from the G-5s onto them, causing havoc.
The
area was now a wasteland of shattered trees
and
burnt grass from the shells and shrapnel from
both sides.
Migs piloted by Cubans flew some 60 sorties
that
day, dropping bombs and trying to strafe the
South African positions, but they were wildly
inaccurate and had little effect.
Fapla tanks made an effort to recover some of
the abandoned vehicles, but were themselves
destroyed by the pinpoint accuracy of the G-5
artillery fire. When the firing finally stopped at
the
end of the day over 600 Fapla soldiers lay dead
on that stretch of open ground and 127 Fapla
vehicles stood destroyed or abandoned near
the
river.
On the morning of 4 October the South
Africans
were able to survey the remnants on the
battlefield. Recovery teams were sent in to
salvage whatever was still usable and the SADF
generals were delighted to hear that their
troops
were able to salvage intact one of the Sam-8
missile systems, complete with missiles, radar
and
logistics vehicles, the first example of this
highly-
effective Soviet weapon ever to be captured by
a
western country.

agaugust: show me war history where armies fighting each other were 70km apart and made progress in the war.

armies close in on each other and battle for control of the ground, not stand off 70km G6 artillery range away from each other.

dont drag us back many pages on this forum. south african airforce jets will fall to nigerian army 300 Roland SAM anti-aircraft missiles, Bofors radar guided anti-aircraft missiles, and the new Type 90 anti-aircraft and anti-missile artillery air defences, and the new Akash SAM superb 35km range anti-aircraft missiles we are planning to buy from india.

please go back many pages, dont waste our time with your fairy tale stories here

the Decisive Battle
On 2 October the South African Recces reported
that 47 Brigade had managed to construct a
wooden road across the marshes which were
blocking their retreat to the Lomba River. Trucks,
missile carriers, armoured cars and tanks were
busy assembling at the treeline, preparing to
make an orderly retreat across the road.
The Recces watched from their vantage points in
nearby trees and called in artillery fire on Fapla
while the SADF combat groups worked furiously
to get ready and into position.
The first Fapla vehicles to try to cross were Soviet
Sam-9s. One crossed to safety but the Recces
guided artillery fire onto the second as it tried to
cross, destroying it and effectively blocking the
bridge. The Fapla troops sent a T-55 tank to try
and move it out of the way, but without success.
Every time Fapla tried to make a move the Recces
would call in highly accurate artillery salvoes. For
48 hours without sleep or rest the Recces stood
guard over Fapla's escape route, calling in artillery
fire at the slightest movement, until at last they
heard the distant rumble that announced the
arrival of the armoured cars of 61 Mechanised
Battalion.
The Ratels of 61 Mech had a variety of
armaments, from infantry carriers with 20mm
guns to the tank-busting 90mm gun. Unita
troops had by now positioned themselves to the
south-east of 47 Brigade in case they tried to
break away in that direction.
Fapla artillery began to bombard the
approaching Ratels and Migs flew overhead to
lend support and cover 47 Brigade's escape. The
Ratels went in to attack. Fapla, accustomed to
seeing Unita beat a hasty retreat whenever their
tanks appeared, tried the same tactic and sent
their tanks towards the SADF positions. To their
dismay the South Africans' reaction was the exact
opposite - they attacked. The Ratels raced for the
tanks, surrounding them and dodging back and
forth until they could get behind them and shoot
at the comparatively vulnerable rear ends of the
tanks.
Major Laurence Maree, second-in-command of 61
Mech, later told the British journalist and author,
Fred Bridgland:
"I can't tell you how much courage it takes in a
Ratel driver and gunner when a tank is charging
towards them to summon up the will to stop still
for long enough to stabilise their firing platform
and get their round off. [Unlike a T54/55 tank,
which has built-in stabilisers and can fire on the
move, a Ratel, like other armoured cars, can only
fire from a static position]. Of course, as soon as
they'd fired, off they sprinted like Turbo-charged
hares. One of our guys died that afternoon facing
down a T-55 in his Ratel. A 100mm shell from the
tank skipped up from the sandy ground and went
right through the turret. The Ratel commander,
Lieutenant Hind, was terribly wounded and he
died later. We had two others very seriously
wounded that day, and another three with light
wounds. The medics just pulled the shrapnel out
of those who were slightly hurt, cleaned up the
wounds, and they went straight back into
combat." (1)
The Fapla troops, although outgunning the South
Africans and outnumbering them 4 to 1, began to
lose their nerve and one of the battalions
suddenly made a break towards the river. They
streamed across the open grassland towards the
river in an undisciplined mob and the South
Africans brought down MRL fire and high-
explosive mortar shells on them. A second
battalion also broke and ran for the river, with the
Ratels chasing them. Approximately 100 vehicles
were now jostling to try and reach the bridge by
way of the wooden road. Recces directed artillery
fire from the G-5s onto them, causing havoc. The
area was now a wasteland of shattered trees and
burnt grass from the shells and shrapnel from
both sides.
Migs piloted by Cubans flew some 60 sorties that
day, dropping bombs and trying to strafe the
South African positions, but they were wildly
inaccurate and had little effect.
Fapla tanks made an effort to recover some of
the abandoned vehicles, but were themselves
destroyed by the pinpoint accuracy of the G-5
artillery fire. When the firing finally stopped at the
end of the day over 600 Fapla soldiers lay dead
on that stretch of open ground and 127 Fapla
vehicles stood destroyed or abandoned near the
river.
On the morning of 4 October the South Africans
were able to survey the remnants on the
battlefield. Recovery teams were sent in to
salvage whatever was still usable and the SADF
generals were delighted to hear that their troops
were able to salvage intact one of the Sam-8
missile systems, complete with missiles, radar and
logistics vehicles, the first example of this highly-
effective Soviet weapon ever to be captured by a
western country.

agaugust: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/31/world/africa/south-africa-military-crash






hahahaha poachers are their own lesser version of b.oko h.aram

South African R4 Rifle armed Rangers, Army, Air Force, all combined together chasing ordinary rhino poachers about in the bush like Tom and Jerry

South African Rangers & Military = Tom cat

Civilian Rhino Poachers = Jerry mouse

now bush meat don catch the hunter ! rhino poacher brought down air force helicopter flown by the 'best pilots in africa'

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/31/world/africa/south-africa-military-crash

https://www.tomandjerryonline.com/images/nearMiss.jpg

South African Rangers are armed with the FN FAL rifle sir. And are receiving advice from a former SANDF General who commanded the 32 battalion.

Zeus_Ayo: @awodwagyanoniwe. Ç A lemur calling someone A monkey......nd last time I checked, monkeys where smarter..... Well mayb it is U̶̲̥̅̊я̩̥̊ fada dat wld convert me to islam.......Fooool!!!!!

At
least 35 people have been killed in two separate
gun battles between Nigerian security forces and
Islamist sect Boko Haram in northeast Borno
state, the army said on Monday.
Boko Haram, which wants to
impose sharia law in Nigeria's
north, and other spin-off
Islamist groups have become
the biggest threat to stability in
Africa's top oil exporter.
In mid-May, President Goodluck
Jonathan declared a state of
emergency and launched an
offensive against the group in
its stronghold in the northeast. The insurgency
was initially weakened but remains active and is
stretching the army.
Boko Haram gunmen on Sunday attacked a police
base in Bama, a town close to the Cameroon
border that has been frequently hit by violence in
recent months.
"Troops have successfully repelled Boko Haram
terrorist attacks on a police base in Bama ... on 4
August," said military spokesman Sagir Musa.
Musa said one policeman and 17 members of
Boko Haram were killed during the fighting, while
two soldiers were injured.
He said four trucks, three motorbikes, dozens of
explosive devices, three rocket-propelled
grenades, 10 AK-47 rifles and over 100 rounds of
ammunition were recovered from the Islamists.
Boko Haram members also attacked a military
base in the town of Malam Fatori, triggering a gun
battle that left two soldiers and 15 of its members
dead, Musa said.
Nigerian police and military often play down their
losses and those of civilians, security sources say.
Boko Haram launched its insurgency in 2009 and
has become increasingly sophisticated, learning
bomb-making techniques from al Qaeda-linked
militants in the Sahara to the north of Nigeria.
Civilian vigilantes have sprung up to help Nigerian
forces identify and arrest Boko Haram members
but there are concerns among some northeast
residents and security experts that the spread of
vigilantes could further break down law and
order.
Five people died in clashes on Sunday between
two such vigilante groups over control of the
town of Biu in Borno state, witness Suleiman
Barka told Reuters by phone.
Nigeria began last week withdrawing some of its
1,200 troops from Mali to support security
operations at home.

agaugust: south africa too has never produced any manned warplane. simple.

please dont drag us back to this your foolish G7 or G6 artillery long range, i have posted this topic and analysed it till i got tired....you guys make me feel like exiting this forum because you just keep repeating the same foolish arguments.

nigerian artillery ranges 24km same as the best american and russian artillery. the extra long range of south african artillery is 90% useless in war because you will not see what you are hitting in the far away next town, maybe your artillery shells are landing in cassava farms

fool

I have proven to you that the G5,G6,T5 and G7 can take out your anti craft system on the ground,from distances ranging from 30km to 70km. Now prove to me how your armed forces,can destroy such systems with your "limited air capabilities".

blackchris: like the way south africans have been changing theirs? 400, 600, 800? meaning you and seleka share the same deceitful tendencies? cry me a river abeg.

i'd rather believe seleka than lying south africans

Should I get General Solly Shoke statement about the battle for you?,Show me any info stating 400 or 600 were killed by the bats.

blackchris: like i said, your words against theirs. and I'll rather believe them cos you have not shown yourselves to be honest.

You're a caveman to believe people who change their story everyday.

agaugust: France attacks nigeria....we have a defence pact with Ukraine, and Ukraine has defence past with Russia...go read history of how world wars I and II started with just 2 countries.

the world war II began on 1 September 1939 with the invasion of Poland by Germany....

Now Nigeria depends on Ukraine for protection? LOOL. For your info Ukraine has soviet era weapons which can be easily be dstroyed by western made systems.

agaugust: show me war history where armies fighting each other were 70km apart and made progress in the war.

armies close in on each other and battle for control of the ground, not stand off 70km G6 artillery range away from each other.

dont drag us back many pages on this forum. south african airforce jets will fall to nigerian army 300 Roland SAM anti-aircraft missiles, Bofors radar guided anti-aircraft missiles, and the new Type 90 anti-aircraft and anti-missile artillery air defences, and the new Akash SAM superb 35km range anti-aircraft missiles we are planning to buy from india.

please go back many pages, dont waste our time with your fairy tale stories here

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

agaugust: south africa too has never produced any manned warplane. simple.

please dont drag us back to this your foolish G7 or G6 artillery long range, i have posted this topic and analysed it till i got tired....you guys make me feel like exiting this forum because you just keep repeating the same foolish arguments.

nigerian artillery ranges 24km same as the best american and russian artillery. the extra long range of south african artillery is 90% useless in war because you will not see what you are hitting in the far away next town, maybe your artillery shells are landing in cassava farms

fool

The AHRLAC is the first manned war plane is Africa,it can be armed with 20mm cannon,rocket pot and beyond visual range air-to-air and air to ground missiles(Mokopa missile). America doesn't need long range artillery cause,they have long range bombers,MRLS and Cruise missiles and Nigeria doesn't those. South Africa destroyed targets 40km to 50 km away during the bush war. It would be the same story if Nigeria attacked SA,shells would rain down on your forces before they can come close enough to return fire or counter battery. And oh the USA is showing much interest in the G7 gun.

blackchris: guy stop typing rubbish with your rotten fingers. give me proof of such resolution to sanction two nations at war with each other and give example of affected countries.

simple question and you're giving me tales by moonlight.

Resolution are discussed. Like the Libyan one.

blackchris: We killed 36 SA troops, CAR rebels say
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/We-killed-36-SA-troops-CAR-rebels-say-20130405

so it's your words against theirs. and frankly speaking, the world doesn't believe yours

First it was 52,then 32 now 36?. A rebel colonel said it well that he lost half of his 250 strong rebels when faced with the bats.

blackchris: that's the second proof you've tried to escape today. stop thinking with your fingers before posting your ignorant comments.

Do I have to keep reminding Nigerian,that the Biafran war was fought by mercenaries?. If you disagree put a list of weapons Biafra had during the war.

sheyie2007: you called the first African industrial power weak, you have issues with your brain

Biafra was weak. In terms of military equipment and trained personnel.

sheyie2007: a proof Would Do..

Your nearest Library "would do".

blackchris: so i'll take it that 90% of what you say is out of ignorance

i've followed this thread post to post and never saw such. you are a lying ignorant south african

you are the one that has been bragging about sanctions which you know nothing about.

now give me the resolution i asked for or it will forever mean that you are ignorant and a liar

If war between Nigeria and South Africa broke out. You and I know that a UN security council will be held,and sanctions or ermbargo would be discussed. It is predictable that one or the two of the country slapped with those.

blackchris:
it's good that you can acknowledge that it won't be easy for france to fight us. while it will take zimbabwe a week to turn SA to a graveyard
mind you i never said we were gonna declare war with france. go through what you quoted so you can understand better.

i said we were gonna declare war with cameroon not minding they were backed by france. that's the kind of bravery SANDF lacks.

How long did it take Nigeria to crash weak Biafra? After getting the answer to that,calculated how long it would take to crash Cameroon. I estimated 2 months because that would be for the first phase of the war. During that phase no French boots will be on the ground but jet fighters launching from an aircraft carrier to destroy all your personnel and obsolete weapons. Let me dare ask you this: Can Nigeria armed forces with its large number of troops,invade South Africa.

LT SHANGY: Brothers, a fool is someone who does not know, does not know that he does not know and do not want to know, the description is best attributed to CraigB. Its better to ignore the fool and have a tete a tete with MIKE ZA, I think he knows 1 or 2 about military equipments. This is not a forum for country bashing but it is a platform to weigh the powers of two great, influencial countries in africa(NIGERIA AND SOUTH AFRICA) and see which of the twothat far outweighs the other militarily. Last word for CraigB from me: there's a cartoon network on dstv, its specially meant for your age grade. Do visit it. U might learn quite alot from it(that is, if you ever learn).

What do you know about military hardware?. Show me any "heavy equipment" your country produces. YOU KNOW NOTHING LIL S..UCKER!!!!!!!!!!

CraigB: It's over loser. You defer to google now?

Even your latest excuse gave you away.

Blurting out Parktown lol

Can you sing Die Stem van Suid Afrika or Nkosi Sikelele?

Brother before a child learns how to sing he/she needs to learn how to speak. First.

blackchris: dude be honest with yourself by giving proof for every serious claims you make. show us a UN resolution that says two countries that are at war will be faced with economic sanctions and arms embargo.

military sanctions are only used against oppressive regimes to reduce their capability of conventional military against it's citizens like the ones Nigeria faced for decades and we still proved we could engage any battle under such conditions. under such conditions Nigeria almost went on a full scale war with cameroon with france as their backup. if france thought Nigeria was weak, why did they force cameroon to go to court.
so don't tell me about sanctions if you don't know what they are used for.

list the countries that went to war and were sanctioned if you are not a filthy liar.

talking about surviving sanctions, how many MBT does denel produce? how many fighter jets does south africa produce? how many frigates or OPVs? can your SA made rooivalk attack helic fly without french engine? how many transport planes or warships do you produce? as far as i know, denel produces light weapons and that won't win you a war.

SA survived the bush war cos you got outside support from israel, US. you're obviously obsessed with hollywood movies.

how can SA fight any country when you don't even have planes to transport your troops. isn't it a shame that you had to borrow US plane to move your troops around in your own territory.

SANDF is a joke compared to Nigerian military. deal with it or else we send Zimbabwe to invade and take over your country

show me the resolution or you shut up about this issue.

Did you know: France has nuclear weapons and an aircraft carrier which can put more than "12" fighter jets(The Rafaele) in your airspace?. Did you also know: That the Leclerc Main battle tank can take out any Nigerian armoured vehicle or tank?. France can take out Nigeria in 2 months,so don't dare say your armed forces have a chance in defeating France.

NaijaPikinGidi: Wanderer!

Sub
human!

blackchris: dude be honest with yourself by giving proof for every serious claims you make. show us a UN resolution that says two countries that are at war will be faced with economic sanctions and arms embargo.

military sanctions are only used against oppressive regimes to reduce their capability of conventional military against it's citizens like the ones Nigeria faced for decades and we still proved we could engage any battle under such conditions. under such conditions Nigeria almost went on a full scale war with cameroon with france as their backup. if france thought Nigeria was weak, why did they force cameroon to go to court.
so don't tell me about sanctions if you don't know what they are used for.

list the countries that went to war and were sanctioned if you are not a filthy liar.

talking about surviving sanctions, how many MBT does denel produce? how many fighter jets does south africa produce? how many frigates or OPVs? can your SA made rooivalk attack helic fly without french engine? how many transport planes or warships do you produce? as far as i know, denel produces light weapons and that won't win you a war.

SA survived the bush war cos you got outside support from israel, US. you're obviously obsessed with hollywood movies.

how can SA fight any country when you don't even have planes to transport your troops. isn't it a shame that you had to borrow US plane to move your troops around in your own territory.

SANDF is a joke compared to Nigerian military. deal with it or else we send Zimbabwe to invade and take over your country

show me the resolution or you shut up about this issue.

You were in your hibernation mode? Cause I already answered all ago. On the issue of South Africa can't produce heavy weapons,If the war winning G5 and G6 guns are not heavy weapons then show any Nigerian made "heavy wespons". And please we(South Africans) have proved on many occasions that South Africa is capable of producing helicopter engines. If our armies were to meet in the battlefield,how will your forces counter the a battery of the G6 gun. Don't talk about planes,cause Nigeria has 12 F7 jets to take on the Griffins and Hawks(which will focus on ground bombings).

LT SHANGY: Am sorry, that is definitely not an answer to my question. More over, Producing war planes and tanks will not be a problem for Nigeria. Artillery system? Hahaha. Please, answer my question.

Nigeria has never produced any manned war plane. Artillery systems? South Africa is the world leader in designing artillery systems,example being the G7 105mm Howitzer which can put a shell 36km away. Outranging all 105mm howitzers and all 155mm Nigerian guns.

Msauza: Sadam Hussain procured 100 units of G5s Howitzers from South Africa and used them to frustrate Americans during Gulf war. No wonder the US have confiscated them after his successful defeat by the help of his people. The US have now put all Saddam's G5 in their war museum to remind them of the most powerful weapon from Saddam Hussain's arsenal that really gave them headache. The power of G5 howitzer.

During the gulf war Saddam's communication centres were destroyed by the coalition aerial bombings. Meaning the G5 systems couldn't pin point or locate were the enemy was. The G5 is deadly weapon,Infact it is best towed howitzer.

LT SHANGY: I'm still waiting for answers, south africans..

It is not about numbers or size. Here the thing if Nigeria and South Africa were gonna go down the war path .First Relations between both would deteriorate,then indirect threats would be exchanged followed by UN sanctions and International arms ermbargo. Now here's why South Africa is above the rest: Seeing war was on the way both countries start preparing and re arming their armed forces. With this point mentioned we know which country is capable of producing Artillery systems,war planes and tanks.

agaugust: .

[img]http://www.trt.net.tr/medya5/resim/2013/03/31/55e87c6c-c2d2-4bdf-b998-759a25e6360a-444x333.jpg[/img]


[size=16pt]South African Air force Helicopter Crashes Chasing Rhino Poachers[/size]


Army officials said the air force helicopter crashed at Kruger National Park as it was on a patrol duty as part of anti-rhino poaching operation.

The cause of the accident, which killed five air force members, is still unkown.

South Africa is struggling to stem rampant poaching of rhinos, whose horns are sold to buyers in Asia. Rhino horn is made of keratin, a tough protein found in human fingernails. There's a belief in Asia that ingesting ground-up horn cures diseases.

http://www.trtromanian.com/trtWorld/en/newsDetail.aspx?HaberKodu=16c0a897-5ade-4d1e-a18f-aa4775f0dbed



so what will happen to south african air force pilots in a real war against a powerful african country's military ?

.

Let's not talk about crashes,cause we all know Nigeria crashed 3 of its 15 its F7 fighter jets. What would happen in war situation? Remember the crashed helo was a light utility helicopter the A109.

agaugust: you see why we call you south africans 33% barins ?

your above post just confirmed my fact, that south africa did not attack cuba/angola in the bush war, south africa was only defending, that keeps casualties low.

your post just proved me right if i insult your south african brain now you will say i have bad language, but how can i call a fool a genius ?

no source weblink for your post above, sure its a south african war propaganda new medium.

wikipedia says south african air force was hiding away on the ground most of the time from cuban air force because Mig 23 jet was superior to Mirage 2000 jet, so how did you shoot down cuban jets in ratio 9:1 'victory' ?
Satan himself helped you fly ?

wikipedia says cuba had about 50,000 soldiers against south african 3,000 frontline, the cuban army was large and mobile enough to encircle and sorrround south africa 4 times over ! yet south african news report that 4,785 cubans k.illed but only 31 south africans killed. so how did you k.ill cuban soldiers in ratio 160:1 ?

south africa should be on Guiness book of world record for war k.ill ratios greater than america and russia combined

.

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy, including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo. The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about 18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air. During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5 projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During this
period two G5 batteries were employed, playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were good
that the tank concerned would be disabled. The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible owing
to its long range and the convenient top traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as the
prime target. One of the factors causing the MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor. The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June 1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles