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agaugust: i was just ignoring your above foolish post, south africa used the G6 artillery to attack Cuban position that is a fixed target, an unmovable target, a geographically known airport that is available in a high school student's atlas map/textbook.

its location geographical coordiantes are written on public world maps so you dont need drones or recce or spies to find that kind of sitting duck target and shell it. fool

Should I post the battle of Lomba river. Where the recces called in artillery on moving targets trying to cross a wooden bridge. Thanks for saying "South Africa used the G6 artillery to ATTACK Cuban".

agaugust: i was just ignoring your above foolish post, south africa used the G6 artillery to attack Cuban position that is a fixed target, an unmovable target, a geographically known airport that is available in a high school student's atlas map/textbook.

its location geographical coordiantes are written on public world maps so you dont need drones or recce or spies to find that kind of sitting duck target and shell it. fool

I should I post the battle of Lomba river. Where the recces called in artillery on moving targets trying to a wooden bridge. Thanks for saying "South Africa used the G6 artillery to ATTACK Cuban".

agaugust: show us a source that says nigeria does NOT have any Otomat missiles. simple.

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agaugust: i had 3 weblink sources in my post, you had zero sources in your post, so why should we believe what you write from the privacy of your bedroom in soweto ? dummy

i say this the 7th time, stop telling fairy tales and show us a weblink source to prove that anti-aircraft missiles (like south africa umkhonto missile) can be used by a warship to defend against sea hugging anti-ship missiles (like nigerian Otomat missile) fired by an enemy warship. simple. show us weblink source to counter my own source...fool

Umkhonto missile has destroyed the Denel Skua target drone,on many occasions during training and testing. Soon it will be upgraded to "area defence",meaning a single SAN frigate can protect a whole convoy of ships "riding" together. We all know living standards in Soweto are away better than,those of your best suburbs.

agaugust: show us a source that says nigeria does NOT have any Otomat missiles. simple.

Stop running around ignoring my post. I have proven to you that Denel's G5 and G6 was used to strike targets 40km to 50km away with deadly accuracy. Counter this by showing me how will your army destroy this mighty guns.....I'm asking you this for the forth time.

agaugust: you were very luck i was too busy at work yesterday. i read your many foolish posts that look like an anti-rhio poacher bush ranger trying to plan a military operation at international level. you are a mumu and mugu at the same time with some maga tendencies in your medula oblongata.

distance for 70km adavantage for south african G6 artillery has been proved many time to be a waste in realities of war.

why did south africa not defeat and crush tiny Cuba nation with this your 70km range G6 artillery during the bush war ?

south africa should have k.illed all the 50,000 cuban soldiers then, and take over angola, but no ! with your long range artillery cuba almost surrounded south african army in pincer attack formation and your best times best era apartheid army saw incoming defeat and begged for peace negotiation just like your current ANC ex-guerrilla weakened plus HIV infected army in CAR begged Seleka rebels for safe passage to hide under the ampit of french soldiers who saved your cowardly lives

if G6 70km wasted artillery range will win a war, the whole world would have bought it in thousands and dumped all other artillery guns with 24km range into the sea bottom. only 150 units of GV6 artillery has been sold in 25 years of production, because all army generals who went to military academy know that the excess range is very unnecessary in real war because you wont see the enemy territory and you wont find details of their weapons positions posted on internet like DENEL weapons list

in jungle warfare and urban warfare, artillery targeting is as difficult as an elephant climbing a mountain.

south africa cannot even fight jungle warfare, so you just send a few men this year to Brazil to learn jungle warfare from a country that has zero combat experience, Brazil is only experienced in football game, you fools

nigerian army is master of bush warfare in africa and one of the best in the world today. from burma, to biafra, to liberia, to sierra leone, to niger delta...we are the most experienced in africa.

artillery is best used at closed ranges 5km to 20km where you can have a better idea of where the enemy weapons are by chance or some foolishness of the enemy like Cuba that has zero war history before fighting south africa and holding you down to a 'goal less' draw.

you say south african recce soldiers will go into the jungle andgypy spy nigerian army Roland SAM and artillery gun locations inside nigerian army occupied territory. so what will nigerian soldiers be doing ? sleeping so that south african soldiers can enter their territory and collect information ?

nigerian army snipers in the tree tops will eat your recce and special forces for breakfast

if you say you can spy on nigeria, then nigeria can spy on you too and know your positions of heavy weapons.

nigeria has spy technology 10 times better than south africa, soweto land has no single spy satellite

nigeria has 3 satellites and many spy balloons to track all enemy movements and you will not know nigerian army is watching you from a far away distance, this is one of the main reasons why nigeria is the second best military in africa after Egypt, you came late to this thread, see photo below of a similar spy balloon that nigerian army has manufactured but south africa does not have any and DENEL has no plan to make one.....

you say south africa will use Drones to spy nigerian army positions. i have told that your c.o.c.o.n.u.t head that nigerian air defences will shoot down all south african slow speed Drones with Type 90 anti-aircraft guns or Roland anti-arcraft missiles, you this buffoon

nigeria too has Drones Amebo III that can spy on south africa. what makes you think that in war only you will be doing the actions and no reaction from nigeria ?

see, let me tell you point blank, south africa's tiny 30,000 man mainly untested army will be completely surrounded, totally envelope, and fully swallowed up by nigeria's huge 120,000 man battle tested army with the best war tactics in Africa.

why did i even reply you ? i am just wasting my time repeating what i have posted for your fellow south african dummies many times on this forum. please stop wasting our time, find some new ideas to post.

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

patriot4: We only hired egyptizns when we didn't have an airfoece yet.
I am happy to see how you reason and I hope your generals reason like you, so that if and when you are attacked by any armed forces you would be defeated, easilly. It is verry clear your thinking is that of a drunk man.
I repeat: france doesn't have the capacity to attack Nigeria.
Often times France has had to make the Charles de Gaule abort its trips because of technical problems.
The Charles de Gaule is an obsolete air craft carier and the only one in the french armed forces.
And the only thing fierry about frnch submarines is that they have nuclear missiles.
But it is obvious that france would not use its nuclear arsenal in such a conflict. And whatever ships, frigates or submarines they send, those would be sank. In a recent report, frnace admitted its military was overreliant on its allies.
That is to show that france has verry little military capabilities right now.
The ways france was defeated by vietnam then algeria who were not having real armies at the times of the conflicts shows all the weaknesses of the french army.
Nigerian warships are in a verry good state, your stupidity is once again clear when you compare the maintenance of an old aircraft carier to that of Nigerian warships: get it this way: aircraft cariers are verry difficult and expensive to maintain, while the warships are verry easy to maintain and are verry functional.

For you to say the French air craft carrier is obsolete,is a bit of a joke. Cause this ship was commissioned in 1994.

patriot4: We only hired egyptizns when we didn't have an airfoece yet.
I am happy to see how you reason and I hope your generals reason like you, so that if and when you are attacked by any armed forces you would be defeated, easilly. It is verry clear your thinking is that of a drunk man.
I repeat: france doesn't have the capacity to attack Nigeria.
Often times France has had to make the Charles de Gaule abort its trips because of technical problems.
The Charles de Gaule is an obsolete air craft carier and the only one in the french armed forces.
And the only thing fierry about frnch submarines is that they have nuclear missiles.
But it is obvious that france would not use its nuclear arsenal in such a conflict. And whatever ships, frigates or submarines they send, those would be sank. In a recent report, frnace admitted its military was overreliant on its allies.
That is to show that france has verry little military capabilities right now.
The ways france was defeated by vietnam then algeria who were not having real armies at the times of the conflicts shows all the weaknesses of the french army.
Nigerian warships are in a verry good state, your stupidity is once again clear when you compare the maintenance of an old aircraft carier to that of Nigerian warships: get it this way: aircraft cariers are verry difficult and expensive to maintain, while the warships are verry easy to maintain and are verry functional.

The French air carrier is still in services. And oh what will Nigeria use to sink French destroyers and Frigates? NN Aradu?. Let me be clear with you,all your air bases can be destroyed within a single night. Making way for ships like the Mistral Class,to bring in attack helos like the Tiger to deal with your armour.

blackchris: dude, you just keep talking like a drunk . you are the one that claimed Nigerian warships are all US used and i asked you how many used US ships we have and you came up with this gibberish. And quote the person that said Nigeria will defeat france in a battle. stop talking ignorantly and face facts abeg

Stop typing while you're hiding under the table from BH. Quote Mike..Za where he said "all Nigerian warships are used USA ships".

blackchris: ge

why don't you start by giving proof of sanction that will hinder Nigeria from importing arms when we are at war. i see you have a way of running away from challenges only to surface with stup1d questions

New comers....smh....Your brother,clearly said "Nigeria will invade South Africa with 10 battalions". That where the issue of sanctions started. Smh. Now let's talk military stuff!!!!

blackchris: how many used US warships do we have. guy i told you only drunks talk the way you do.

What I'm trying to tell you here is: France's aircraft craft might be old,but your obsolete warships don't the capability to defend Nigeria against a French battlegroup compromising of Destroyers,Frigates and a submarine. Are gonna tell me NN Aradu will defend and destroy an entire battlegroup.

blackchris: dude, you should have noticed by now that Nigeria is not a country that cares about racism. your comrades e.g @CrabB have said worst and Nigerians' mentality is far beyond that. it's your society that is more vulnerable to such threat. so get it clear, we don't give a fvck.

so you can say what you want, it's a free world. but don't get angry whenever you ignorance and stup1dity is exposed. that's what the guy meant by you being immature

Lol he said mature!!!!!!!!! I called him immature,. Let's talk about your armoured forces perishing in front of G6 gun. Cause they simply don't have an artillery piece or war plane to take it out.

blackchris: omo na your head dey blow bulb like this. ;Dyou are a donkey. a pure breed donkey. why didn't you answer my questions earlier. you were discovered to be fake from 100 pages back. your comments on military matters are like the kind of discussions drunks normally have in some local cheap razz beer parlor.

@augugust asked you to show proof that your G5 and G6 will help win a war and you were too stup1d to analyze what you read about the bush war only to copy and past propaganda to help sell DENEL artillery guns. a war you lost against an inexperience military. that's definitely not something to go by.

how many facts have Nigerians presented here with solid proof that any of you didn't say meaningless rubbish about. bloody lying south african. you haven't given me the resolution i asked for and you want me to believe your beer parlor comments.

you guys are liars and are angry at Nigerians cos we got you figured out

i thought you knew Nigeria like the palm of your hands. yet you don't know omo is a slang in 9ja. further proof of your deep ignorance about Nigeria

South Africa doesn't need propaganda to sell Denel land systems artillery. Cause the world knows about SA artillery,do you think propaganda attracted the USA to show interest in the G7 105mm howitzer (range:36 km) which Denel has completed three-quarters of the development work. And the fact is South Africa actually sells more MRAPS than artillery pieces.

blackchris: what the heck have you ever managed to prove here? all you've been doing is copy and paste every information on internet since you lack the mental capacity to critically process everything you read.
if you are not doing that, you'll be speaking in tongues and believe you are making sense.

first i asked you to prove that two warring countries will be sanctioned with evidence, you came up with libya --- number one jonzing

number two--- prove how your G5 and G6 will win a war, you came up with a scattered information and you epect to be taken seriously. guy you need to attend 3 universities like msauza even though it hasn't worked for him. maybe it will lift you from totally stup1d to just dull

Since you guys say Mike..ZA is racist I will address you nicely: Look I told you(Nigerians) that the G5 and G6 were capable of destroying targets 3km to 70km away. And you asked for prove,I posted records of the Lomba river battle,where this guns were called in by the recces to hit targets 40km-50km away from where they were stationed and well camourflashed. Now I'm asking you,since you say Nigeria can "neutralise" this guns quick to prove what will Nigeria use to "put them out". Or you want me to quote something from Heitman's books since you love him so much.

NaijaPikinGidi: Empty vessels ... Mike..ZA and crew!!

Your Brother ran off after I showed him that the G5 and G6 gun. Did hit targets 40km-50km away during the bush war and that the Recces were capable of calling in artillery on concentrated troops and armour. Now your turn has come,to prove it how will your armed forces destroy the this mighty guns. Cause clearly you won't be enjoy air superiority,with your 12 F7 fighter jets.

Donian007: Well I think you are not the type I should be interacting with here, your analysis depict that of an ignorant juvenile. Frace attacking Nigeria because of a percieved threat about Nigeria exterminating Cameroon in a war would result in unlawful invasion and aggression and no deals would deter other powers from doing same in defence of Nigeria. However such a scenario is impossible without probably causing a 3rd world war. The best France can ever do is to mediate or advice Cameroon through a legal process. I won't reply if you quote me in response.

Please read what I was reply to before you can say I'm ignorant. Cause clearly you could have seen I was reply to one of your brothers,who talking about "OMo" Nigeria can defeat France.

patriot4: As it is, France can not even dream of attacking Nigeria. You seem to value the Charles de Gaule aircraft carier a lot, here in france everybody know it is obsolete and it is always experiencing malfunctionnings, there are even talks about retiring it. France has only 1 aircraft carier, it wouldn't risk losing it in a fight with Nigeria.
France doesn't currently have the capacity to fight even the Nigerian police talkless of the Nigerian armed forces.
It is the same france that begged Nigeria for help in ivory coast. France has bases and mineral fields across west africa and oil companies in Nigeria, if there is war then all those would be gone in no time. France gets most of its wealth from west africa, so fighting Nigeria would be suicide. All Nigeria needs to do is to invade the surrounding west african countries, which is something even our police can do alone.
France already tried fighting Nigeria during Nigerian civil war, it left france with a bitter taste of defeat. If there is one African army that france fears, it is the Nigerian army.
By the way someone needs to tell defenceweb to stop posting pictures of Nigerian police while discussing Nigerian military.

Is this the same Nigeria which hired Egyptians to fly sorties?. Don't be ridiculous about France losing an air craft carrier against some armed forces which don't even have an submarine. Aircraft carriers "ride" in battlegroups of ships protected by submarines,destroyers or Frigates at time. Which are mostly armed with "area defence" missiles. And if you say the French carrier is obsolete,why don't you say the same with your warships. Some are even used USA patrol vessels.

blackchris: omo na your head dey blow bulb like this. ;Dyou are a donkey. a pure breed donkey. why didn't you answer my questions earlier. you were discovered to be fake from 100 pages back. your comments on military matters are like the kind of discussions drunks normally have in some local cheap razz beer parlor.

@augugust asked you to show proof that your G5 and G6 will help win a war and you were too stup1d to analyze what you read about the bush war only to copy and past propaganda to help sell DENEL artillery guns. a war you lost against an inexperience military. that's definitely not something to go by.

how many facts have Nigerians presented here with solid proof that any of you didn't say meaningless rubbish about. bloody lying south african. you haven't given me the resolution i asked for and you want me to believe your beer parlor comments.

you guys are liars and are angry at Nigerians cos we got you figured out

i thought you knew Nigeria like the palm of your hands. yet you don't know omo is a slang in 9ja. further proof of your deep ignorance about Nigeria

I've shown him where the G5 and G6,were used to stop an entire battalion armed with anti craft missiles,main battle tanks and armoured vehicles. Should I post the "the battle of Lomba river" again?

sambos994: Very mature of you....SMH...

Very immature of you......SMH. Respond with something about military or just scroll down ignoring my
posts. GET IT?

sambos994: Very mature of you....SMH...

Very immature of you......SMH. Respond with something about military or just scroll down ignoring posts. GET IT?

Donian007: Youngman I also read that chris' post. However, your reponses clearly show you never understood it or maybe you are just being ignorant. The war was not with France but Cameroon, and Cameroon being a former colony she backed her up using her strong international influence but that never detered Nigeria. Your statements about France attacking Nigeria in defence of Cameroon is clear assertion by you that Cameroon is not up to Nigeria, but that statement also presents you as a foolish thinker. That would attract allies such as Israel, Britain and Russia to massively arm Nigeria or even do same in Nigeria's defence and guess where that leads. Smarten up boy!

I was responding to stupi..d thought like "britain and russia will massively arm Nigeria". Lesson here Nigerian: If France attacked Nigeria,no country will dare fly in weapons into your country. Cause fighter jets launching from the French aircraft carrier will destroy all your major airports. And Russia will never risk losing the military deals(like the Mistral class amphibious assault ship) it currently has with French over Nigeria.

NaijaPikinGidi: This boy cracks me up with laughter! Only South Africa/ns!! Omo I go take omo wash your brain for you o!!

Hiding behind those shades,cause Mike..ZA has proven the Nigerian army can be destroyed by 2 batteries of the G5+2 batteries of the G6 howitzers?. Enjoy eating the humble pie,while screaming CHINEKE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! In your monkey language.

NaijaPikinGidi: This boy cracks me up with laughter! Only South Africa/ns!! Omo I go take omo wash your brain for you o!!

Stop showing me yellow coloured teeth monkey!!!!!!! Prove to me how will forces deal with the G6 system,backed by aerial patrols by the Griffins.

agaugust: are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

In the Bushes,the recces will hunt and find your weapons sites. South Africa did this during the bush war. You're now acting "defensive",a month ago you were telling us how Nigeria can advance and invade Mzansi Africa. Now why is your army hidden in bushes and cities? Fearing a HE round from the mighty G6 howitzer?

blackchris: omo the your copy and paste brain na big problem o

Nigerians are sub species of humans,pure monkeys!!!!!!!!!!. When we(south Africans) tell you something you ask for sources and links. When we put links,pastes and "sources". You(Nigerians) say something meaningless like "omo the your copy and paste brain na big". In South Africa "Omo" is a washing powder. I challenged you monkeys to prove how will your ground forces destroy the G5 and G6 guns,which can take out your Rolands in from 40km to 50km away. Like the sam-8 during the bush war.

agaugust: good you have now admitted that about 5.5km is a realistic land battlefield distance, not the wasted 70km range of south african G6 artillery that 99% of world armies have decided to ignore and not buy. say thank you to me for opening your blind eyes

by the way, that was desert war you used as example in Iraq 5.5km possible.

now how does that 5.5km range work in a jungle warfare zone ? see photo below

https://d1.static.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/photos/1007/295347/450x300_q75.jpg


also how does a 5.5km range work in urban city warfare zone where ordinary rebels d.estroy army tanks of super powers like Russia. watch Syrian army vs rebels below in video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCdXDGCEFM

That 5,5km is for tanks and armoured vehicles. Which don't have "forward targeting systems"" like drones,special forces and helicopter. The 5,5km is maximum distance a tank or other armoured fighting vehicles can engage each other. But if a country's communication systems are advanced missiles like the mokopa of SA with a range of 10km can used.

agaugust: show us how that will make you see enemy weapons hidding behind 5 storey buildings 50km away.

your targeting device turns around street corners in a city 30km to 70km far away ? like a twisting snake ? even a targeting radar cannot do that.

show us how it will see enemy weapons in a cleared 12 feet spot in a thick jungle like congo DRC 50km away.

your artillery targeting device has become a spiritual flying demon that moves like lightning and sees through obstacles and thick jungle ? there are too many of your type in south africa, fool, mugu

i wont reply your foolish posts again because you dont know what a battlefield is in reality

https://d1.static.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/photos/1206/612015/450x321_q75.jpg

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The end is closer. In buildings(cities),the recces are highly trained in urban warfare meaning artillery can be called on building housing or sections housing the enemy. Or the Vulture drone can be used.

agaugust: are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

The British Challenger Main battle tank holds the record for destroy an Iraqi tank 5km away. Unless Nigerian doesn't have the technology to design target sites,but 5,5km is the maximum distance in the battlefield. That's why the South African Ingwe missile has 5,5km range.

agaugust: are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

agaugust: are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

Post-war followed Project Klooster, a new target
acquisition and fire control system that built on
the lessons learnt in Angola and Namibia -
"especially the problem of observation and target
fixation," Wilsworth adds. The Artillery Target
Engagement System (ATES) that resulted and is
only now coming into service includes:
the Basic Artillery Observation System (man
portable observation post equipment),
the Enhanced Artillery Observation System (Ratel
mounted sensors for day and night observation
etc),
the Gun Muzzle velocity analyzer for G5 and 6,
the Vulture Unmanned Air Vehicle Observation
System,
fire control computers,
artillery command computers,
digital communications for the artillery, and
and the S700 meteorological system.

agaugust: are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

Post-war followed Project Klooster, a new target
acquisition and fire control system that built on
the lessons learnt in Angola and Namibia -
"especially the problem of observation and target
fixation," Wilsworth adds. The Artillery Target
Engagement System (ATES) that resulted and is
only now coming into service includes:
the Basic Artillery Observation System (man
portable observation post equipment),
the Enhanced Artillery Observation System (Ratel
mounted sensors for day and night observation
etc),
the Gun Muzzle velocity analyzer for G5 and 6,
the Vulture Unmanned Air Vehicle Observation
System,
fire control computers,
artillery command computers,
digital communications for the artillery, and
and the S700 meteorological system.

NaijaPikinGidi: Foolishness is the mainstay of your type. You confuse two (2) different entities because your blockhead CraigB is your mentor? I am NaijaPikinGidi!! All4Naija and NaijaPikinGidi are two differnt individuals. Except you want to recall All4Naija who bade the thread goodbye long ago! As for me NaijaPikinGidi ... I full ground gidigbam!! Die if you want!

On a lesser note, I am still wondering what your fascination is with this so called Hillbrow, or ... did your parents also Will your inheritance to another foreigner? Your comment makes zero sense! 33% must be too high a standard for your weak brain to attain!

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles