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KingPradas: Let's get some facts clear here. These two men killed a British Soldier, not an innocent civilian. They clearly identify themselves as Muslims, but that doesn't mean they represent the religion of Islam and/or over 2 Billion Muslims worldwide.

The British Army/Navy has committed heinous crimes throughout the world, and still continue to do so in Muslim countries today. In these countries, innocent Muslim women and children are killed or maimed every day, LITERALLY. Imagine living with that type of terror. The Media wants you to believe that these Men hate YOU, the civilian, and your way of life. But thats false. They want to save their people from oppression. They want the killing of innocent Muslims to stop. "Eye for an eye, Tooth for a tooth".

The problem is people in the west don't understand how these Men are willing to give their life for complete strangers that have no connection to themselves other than the religion of Islam. So they assume that they're insane/crazy or what-have-you. The fact is Islam teaches Muslims that they are all ONE body. and if One body part is experiencing pain, then the whole body feels it, and of course must do something to remedy the pain

What is the difference between a Drone bomb and a beheading? Why is one less savage then the other? Why are western countries consistently invading poor Middle Eastern countries? Why did the news anchor cut out most of this Man's words and talk over him? Was this man not speaking English?

I don't excuse this Man's actions, because I don't know if that British Soldier was a good man or not. If he actually killed innocent Muslims or not. But perspective is important. This news anchor wants you to pick a side. You don't always have to pick an absolute side, but it is better to understand both sides. That's where the truth is.

So, according to you, it's ok for devout Muslims to avenge supposed injustice to Muslims by killing those who are perceived to be the cause. Thanks for the explanation- it shows it's about Islam after all. Seems Mujahid was acting out a legit Islam script then.

Fyi, the British and others are in Afghanistan because that place became a hotbed for terrorists to train and plan further killings. The 911 and other attacks on innocent civilians could be linked to the safe haven provided by Afghanistan to terrorists. Not sure Muslims can honestly blame the West for going to Afghanistan or Mali or the FG going after BH, when Muslims themselves are doing nothing about Islamic terrorism - it's reeks of hypocrisy.

Apparently they are Muslims who love and would rather continue in this savage barbaric path taken by Mujahid. And let them know, they can only lose this fight. It's sick, disgusting and stupid really.

tpia@:
i guess so.

once they go that route, its over.

they're never the same.

And it seems it's easy to be radicalized. My advise to Muslims - don't take this religion seriously. The moment a fight against terrorists or extremism by the Gov't be it in Afghanistan or Mali or against BH feels like or is being portrayed by an imam as a fight against Islam, it's time to flee from the religion. Just stop, no do again.

Otherwise, it's to shame humanity someday with this sort of barbarism- hacking an innocent with crude knives and being proud of it, preening for videos and pictures. So disgusting.

So Michael was peaceful and decent until he turned Mujahid and then became an animal. The truth is that Islam or versions of Islam somehow breeds these violent types. Deny it as much as we want, there's got to be a link between this religion and the conversion of the likes of Michael, Mutallab, etc into violent, barbaric killers against the West.

What did the West ever do to Islam?

This may have fatally punctured the myth that Yoruba Muslims are different from those in the North in terms of susceptibility to turn to radical Islam. Seems the majority of Yoruba Muslims just don't take the religion seriously. Apparently the more serious ones eventually end up hacking people to pieces.

Sad really. I know quite a lot who profess to be Muslims. Can they somehow be this radicalized? This thing just got real.

It’s not clear how or why two men attacked a man believed to be a British soldier in the London neighborhood of Woolwich, but U.K. officials are already investigating it as a possible act of terrorism.

A video broadcast by the U.K. network ITV purports to show one of the two attackers explaining himself to a camera immediately after the attack. His hands are covered in blood, a knife and a machete in his right hand. The victim is clearly visible on the ground with a crowd gathering in the background. Here’s what he said:


"We swear by Almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reasons we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth. We apologise that women had to see this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don’t care about you".

The Guardian cites eyewitnesses as describing the attack as a “beheading.” The BBC talked to an eyewitness who describes what he saw after arriving in the middle of the attack:


I saw two people lying over him and I thought they were trying to resuscitate him. I went down to the garage and another bloke come along and told me they were actually stabbing him. Apparently they actually ran the car into him and knocked him down before they did anything. And the next minute a silver car came along and a man got out and shouted he was going to phone the police. The next thing that happened was he actually pulled a handgun out. It was a gun that looked as if it could take about 12, 15 rounds so I definitely know it was handgun because I actually seen it in his hand.

The same witness also said that some unarmed police were nearby but did not want to approach the men, who appeared to be armed, until armed “Trojan” police arrived.

The two attackers were shot by police and are currently receiving medical treatment.

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Source -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/22/chilling-video-of-london-attacker-explaining-machete-attack-on-reported-soldier/

mu2sa2: American soldiers earn their respect. Have you ever seem one with koboko or molesting civilians in any way? The JTF failed because they were just killing innocent people like boko haram.
As long as Nigerian military continue with bullying civilians nobody will accord them any respect - insult peddlersd on NL excluded.

It's very untrue to claim that US soldiers have never abused and maltreated people. Just one case was the popular Abu Ghraib scandal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse. While not condoning excesses of the bad eggs in the Nigerian Army or US Army, facts are facts - the US Army is no saint, far from it.

kodeblurr: Another BIG LIE, those are innocent peeps, boko - haram aren't that foolish

Considering what BH are fighting for and gladly blowing their lives away over -Islamization of Nigeria- they just might actually be 'that foolish'.

lacasa: Keyboard warriors full here



GEJ is ​ sooo​ Gone 2015

Why? Because he decided to flush out BH?

At least U don't hide ur adoration for BH, but it appears you picked the wrong side. Your terrorists friends are losing this battle. Expectedly the Army will occupy these parts for years until there's semblance of calm.

HNosegbe: You really had to quote me TWICE to make your ignorant comment, right?

It is people who make comments like yours that are most responsible for the problems we face. "Provided it is in the north east" can you imagine how stupidly selfish that statement is? What would you have said or done if you were an indigene of Borno?

You talk about "assisting JTF", in what way exactly? By coming out in public? What safeguards have the govt put in place to protect those who are courageous enough to say what they know?

By the way, have you forgotten what happened to the uncle of BH founder Mohammed Yusuf? For your information, he came out of hiding and met with former president Obasanjo. Do you know what happened to him? That's right, he was KILLED.

I maintain my stance: Until the federal government begins to truly utilize more of intelligence and less of brute force, the war against Boko Haram will NEVER be won.

Take it to the bank.

The Army of course will get intel - little from willing informants but a whole lot from captured terrorists. Fact is terrorists are cowards- they readily spill their guts when cornered. And the heart and mind thing is overrated - the US attempts at it in Iraq failed. The Army will, of course, not harm the populace that are not involved in the insurgency. Expect repercussions though, when terrorists are harboured and provided safe haven to launch attacks on the military.

pmc01: It is really amazing but not surprising how delighted majority of the Christian Southerners are about the 'military invasion of the north' in the name of 'state of emergency'.
They say: 'kill them all', 'crush everything that is moving', 'spare no living thing, even animal and plants', 'I will readily join the military in the killing', 'destroy their land', 'send in drones to finish them all' e.t.c.
So the lives of the people of a certain region of a country aren't that relevant, even though they have contributed majority of the food that have kept us going till today, just because there are a few bad eggs amidst them? No thought for the innocent ones?

There are two things I have in mind, a wish & a fact:

>I hope Mr. GEJ will be 'concerned' enough to send in the military invade the South-East to deal with the incessant kidnapping cases there.

>These heartless 'Nigerians' will suffer the same punishment as the so-called 'BH' killers before God, since they all share a passion for killing.

CHIKENA!

Sadly, the North brought this upon itself. Generally, from the utterances of the Northern elites and passiveness of the majority it became clear to all that the region overall supports the BH militancy and their violent method to discredit the FG. While BH is predominately just radical Islam, it found support from the North in general for political reasons. Supporting BH may have looked smart when GEJ tried the mild 'policing' approach to the insurgency. Now that GEJ has declared SOE and thus war on BH, there can be only one winner - the FG. Seems the Northern elites picked the wrong side supporting the terrorists, hoping they'll discredit GEJ and his gov't to give the North a way back to power.

honeric01: I'm sorry but you're ignorant politically, you mean pdp is not gaining from the insecurities? Interesting!

It's the crap typically spouted to cover up the largely religious craving that is BH. BH is just a step up from previous religious cravings, and probably not unexpected after the clamour for Sharia in the North. Islamization of Nigeria was the next logical fight.

Why would the ruling party create insecurity based on radical Islam (that is more or less impossible to eradicate militarily) so that it'll struggle to fight it, knowing that it'll get bad name for inability to quell it? Even if it was started by PDP elements for political reasons, no doubt what was foremost in their minds was not political power for the party (since it's already in power), but power for the North.

Also political parties in Nigeria don't need insecurity to steal money -they just steal it.

honeric01: eeya, i bet all the dead northerners killed by boko animals (pdp militia northern arm) were also supporting BH? See thinking! Hiannnn!

Collateral damage, as they would say. And I said largely - majority, not all. You over-praise PDP and GEJ - crediting them with BH. I think they are not that smart, and as the ruling party they gain the least from BH insecurity.

No doubt, BH is largely religious, as they've said and shown severally - with majority of Northerners backing them for either religious or political reasons because the current FG is largely seen as non-Northern.

honeric01: Why jump into what you do not understand? Ask the person who brought this up the genesis of the matter.

Anyway it doesn't take much analysis to know that Northerners largely sympathize with BH. Usually when Northerners hate something which insults their religion, they break out in riots- it happened with the cartoons, and videos. From their reaction or lack of, they hate the current FG more than they hate (if they do at all) BH.

honeric01: You're a fool, when i provided answers on that thread to your miserable comment, why did you run?

Some of those who knew them in person and wanted to broker a deal with the govr that got killed by them are now innocent abi?
The politicians who use to give them funds for protection and loyalty that were later killed by the bokos were also innocent abi?

Your brain is too air-filled to comprehend. What a disgrace you are!

Are you supporting BH killing these so called guilty ones? Like, seriously!

E.G.O:
One question that should come to mind is, are all the Notherners the real problem or are there specific "Bosses" whom manipulate the minds of these people maybe out of ignorance to guide them to act the way they do? Is there anything that could be done to help? Because when you show a man the light He sure would give up walking in Darkness.

Here on NL, tough to find Northerners who support State Police or True federalism- most oppose or are silent. What they are surely vocal about is same thing their "elites" harp on each day - which is basically blame everything on GEJ/Current FG without realizing that it's really the nation's framework that's broken.

igala1: Permit me to explain what a northern rep told me. Say in dis same Nigeria, he used his Bayelsa state counterpeit as a study. The Bayelsan enjoys contracts from NDDC, Min Niger Delta, enjoys cuts from ammnesty, his state again enjoys 13% derivation, all four not enjoyed by him from the north under same Nigeria.now, PIB. To make it five. He feels d allocation from d fed govt is over drawn and that his bayelsan colleague is. Over paid for his resources. He equally want govt to develop resources in other parts of d country to prevent over reliance on crude from d south-south

It shows the reps parasitic nature. At least ND is contributing to the economy. In fact, their derivation should be 50%. What is the North's contribution outside Boko Haram? Because of this myopic thinking, they are killing the oil industry and Nigeria. Maybe it's not a bad thing. Perhaps this might hasten the movement to real federalism as the ND seem determined to retain the key clauses in the PIB. Why can't the Northern States developing their own resources- it's because we are not practicing the real federalism they readily oppose. Let them keep waiting for the FG.

Mospring: diz just for men of who are buoyant in the now.!

Besides nothing being wrong in being buoyant, tints can seen tints in small vehicles. Benefits are the same.

basadenet: I use to think that this Eta Inang guy is one the few brilliant and respected Member of the Nigerian Senate, but sole sponsor of a useless bill seeking to unban use of tinted glass shows the guy is insensitive and irresponsible.

It's a very good bill that'll help set the Police right. The tinted glass prohibition increases police corruption and leads to extortion of Nigerians. Police should focus on getting modern crime fighting tech and methods, not simplistic ineffective ideas designed to line their pockets with illicit money.

Banning tinted glasses in vehicles and charging people who can't remove the factory tints will not reduce crime. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a simpleton.

Great Bill. Please pass it very quickly. Let our lazy, thieving Police start doing real police work instead of the childish tinted glass obsession they seem to have. As if all the BH attacks are successful because they drive around in tinted glass vehicles! Police should add intelligence to their work joor - forensics and real investigations.

Lots of cars come with tinted glasses and the advantages are numerous:

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Glare reduction is another great advantage of tinted auto glass. The glare coming from side windows can cause eyestrain that can result in a headache, especially on long trips. It can also be extremely distracting to drivers and impair your vision when you need it the most. The glare from the sun can also be a problem for passengers, especially small children and babies.

When you have your car windows tinted, UV exposure will be drastically reduced. The darkest tinted windows can filter out up to 95% of UV light, where regular glass can only filter out 30%. You can say goodbye to uneven sunburns with tinted windows.

Privacy is an important benefit to having your windows tinted, as well. Window tinting will make it difficult for people to see inside your car. That means potential criminals may think twice about breaking into a car to steal something that they can't see. Tinting your vehicle's windows can give you an added sense of security, especially if you are traveling with valuables.

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E.G.O:
I dont know if it is possible to have united states of Nigeria.

That's what Nigeria needs - True federalism. Bad news is that the insecure and parasitic North would rather not allow it- they blocked State Police and are also blocking the PIB, in addition to condoning BH activities.

The result of a city/state police being deeply involved in security with federal FBI providing needed assistance. In Nigeria, inept Northern Governors are at the forefront in opposing much needed Police reforms to allow State Police. Dullards.

LagosShia: DISCLAIMER:

PLEASE NOTE THAT DESCRIBING THE MASJID (MOSQUE) AS "SHIA" IS THE EXPRESSION USED BY THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE,AND I ADDED QUOTATION MARKS WHEREVER THE WORDS "SHIA MOSQUE" APPEAR.IN ISLAM,THE ENTIRE EARTH IS A MASJID (A PLACE OF PROSTRATION) AND THERE IS REALLY NOTHING AS "SHIA" OR "SUNNI" MOSQUE.ALL MOSQUES ARE PLACES WHERE ALLAH (swt) IS WORSHIPPED FOR ALL MUSLIMS.DESCRIBING A MOSQUE AS "SHIA" OR "SUNNI" IS EITHER MEANT OUT OF ILL-WILL TO DIVIDE MUSLIMS,OR TO EMPHASIZE SECTARIAN/POLITICAL DIVISION AS TO WHICH GROUP ADMINISTER A PARTICULAR MOSQUE.HOWEVER REGARDLESS OF WHETHER A SUNNI OR SHIA ADMINISTERS A MOSQUE,A MOSQUE IS A MOSQUE.I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS,LEST ANY HATER BLINDLY ACCUSE THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN OR THE SHIA FOR WHAT IS FOUND IN THE ARTICLE/THE DESCRIPTION.

See story. Muslims are already so so divided. Are we blind. or deaf? Don't we hear shias vs Sunni violence and vice versa in the news almost daily in Iraq, Pakistan, Bahrain, etc. Abeggi.....

patriot4: One year salary of GEJ will do

Talk is cheap. Obviously, ur suggestion is not workable. BH is not easy to solve militarily, without the support of the people there. Only sensible option is to ally with the US and get them to use their lethal drone surveillance and attacks. But then the Northern elites, like the Borneo Elders will be beside themselves in opposing it and calling the FG all sort of names.

patriot4: Close the borders by building walls on the borders and spreading land mines along those walls. increase the size of the military and increase the weaponry of the military. Have at least one military base in every local government area. And let the JTF pursue as it is pursuing now. The problem will be contained and solved.

Serious? Wall the Northern borders? How much will all these cost? Why should resources that other regions could use for development be wasted so? Instead of wasting the countries resources on this, much cheaper to agree to divide.

Eboski: chuks if your father is selected from the East to represent all Igbos from the geopolitical zones,what will be your advice for your father on BH and MEND problems?

Don't mind them. Just like the opposition- quick to blame without any different ideas. There was a thread on how the FG should tackle BH, few said anything of note.

lacasa: Only during the time of aa slow-poke


All leaders b4 this dumb fisherman all faced one crisis or another, and each maneuvered their ways to quell it;

Gowon - (secession/Civil war)
Buhari - maitatsine crisis/ogoni uprising (quenched).
Babangida - zangon kataf (quenched)
Abacha - shi'a uprising (quenched).
Yar'adua - Militancy/Boko-Haram (quenched to a great degree)

But, Retardeen's case serves as the epitome of gross incompetence, lacklustre cabinet, mismanagement ad lack of decisiveness and trust.


From Boko haram to militancy to fuel subsidy to massive corruption to indiscriminate criminal presidential pardons and looting of the treasury


#.. In 3 plus years the nation is heeadding towwards oblivion with no sensible hand on deck to turn the tide.


GOODLUCK JONATHAN AND HIS GOVERNMENT IS THE GREATEST MISFORTUNE TO HAPPEN TO THIS GREAT NATION SINCE July 15 1966 coup and the Civil War


**God Punish these Devils in Disguise**

You draw the wrong conclusions from our checkered history, bro. The Miatatsine riots lasted over 5 years killing over 8000. The civil war killed millions. The fact is that the fundamental issues of federalism is yet to be dealt with leading to these issues repeating. BH shows that it'll get more and more difficult if we keep glossing over the underlying issues. Obviously BH is more difficult becuase of the Northern elite support - just listen to the North's clamour for amnesty even after BH rejected it. I don't see what more force GEJ could employ against BH except sanction covert assassination of some Northern elites- possibly leading to another civil war. Only way BH can be quelled is when the North wants it to stop, which will be when/if they regain Presidency.

BH is at par to what led to the civil war, which we couldn't avoid and barely survived as a nation.

Missonas: My thoughts exactly.d enemy here is The Government and the victims are The Masses esp the women and children.true we need a Revolution i mean its inevitable but not lyk this-threats and counter threats.we need a communal strong bond irrespective of religion,cultural,social and political background to fight dis.

When people revolt what will they be asking for? Revolt against corruption? Ok. Nice idea. But with a strong, rich central gov't controlling so much, corruption will be tough to deal with mere revolution. How do U deal with corruption when the Executive, Police, Judiciary and Legislative are competing for the Most Corrupt Prize? If you topple these, what institutions would u replace them with that won't be as powerful and corrupt?

Best is create competition among states through true federalism. Obviously what is needed is true federalism, but even today many people don't want it. The North are opposed to it as they oppose State Police.

I don't see revolution bringing any real change - just bloodletting on the streets perhaps. There need to be a clear articulation of what different federating units/regions want and negotiations between regions on the basis for continued coexistence. If compromise can't be achieved, then....

Josh316: Na laptop MEND dey bark.... Complete fools wey just dey haphazardly confused! 1st they claimed to have killed the 12 policemen in Bayelsa but events have proven them as stupid opportunists seeking relevance or as a fake one-man laptop crew seeking to make MEND look fearful.

Why did they wait all this while to attack mosques and kill Imams? Hopeless cows without brains.

Ur point? Are U saying they should have been targeting Muslims all along? Like seriously? SMH

Dumb MEND. They should be asking for true federalism if they have any brains. No point going after Muslims, as annoying as Islamist BH is. It'll only just give more Muslims the reason to swell BH ranks and lead to more terrorist attacks.

Instead of making the South a magnet for Muslim terrorists by their stupid and wicked plan, they should focus more on getting true federalism or have the country broken up.

don33310: You guys don't understand,Jonathan has no solution to bokoharam and he does not give a damn!what is thinking and doing now is how to win 2015 elections.

What can GEJ do about BH? When lots of people were asking for State Police, the Northern governors made it clear they don't want State Police.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/northern-governors-reject-clamour-for-state-police/121018/

http://www.naijapundit.com/news/northern-govs-reject-state-police-true-federalism-national-conference-want-increased-oil-revenue

If Northerners would rather not take responsibility to solve BH in their region, why really should GEJ or the rest of the country give a damn?

Hi, how much to clear a 2013 small SUV such as the BMW X3, Honda CRV, Toyota RAV4 or Venza?

GenBuhari: Are you sure that punching.com, thisdaylive.com and sunnewsonline.com are independent of the govt?

It would be more credible if there is a video or if international news agencies such as BBC or CNN reported the story.

Buhari, El Rufai have been in full support of amnesty, and keep berating FG for not offering it. Else they'll be mega quick to blame the FG for sponsoring misinformation about them. Now their BH brothers have thrown back their amnesty in their faces, you are desperate to exonerate Buhari. Deal with it - amnesty for BH was always a dumb move.

Sherlock Holmes: The IG wont do shi.t cos he is on it too... He is the at the helm of the whole corruption abunna... Abeg the man has failed!

True. The IG is the reason for the Police corruption. The harassment of motorists over tinted glasses is caused by the IG and it does nothing other than encourage police corruption.