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samistry:
The Snyder that is not 'woke' race swapped Perry Saturn and Mercy graves🤣.

Mercy Graves is an original character that isn't in the comics though. She was an animated character. The Perry White thing being Black is what I don't get. Maybe it is one of Hollywood's racist joke, in the sense that a Black man is a white. Mercy Graves being Asian is what I felt she was in the Superman Animated Series.

itscalebmark:
For me Superman movie was too woke for the audience, I really liked the Synder's "Superman". Henry Cavill is the perfect Superman, along with the story & everything.

Hey, if you are a black person, don't follow these white supremacists who are trying to vilify a genuine course by black Americans for the right to live in a fair society that doesn't demean anyone. You can use other words but not Woke. You have no idea what the term truly means.

Sure, the new SUPERMAN film is cringe and tried hard to separate itself from Zack Snyder that it ended up being very childish and looking cheap.

BlackManta:
Court of Owls
Hugo Strange
Firefly
Clayface

Just a handful of popular Batman villains that have never featured in a movie.

I think we're most likely getting Court of Owls

Wasn't that Russian guy in BvS meant to be Firefly or something?

SMUAG:
There was even a video out there where David was challenging Gunn on how Superman supposed to perceived and feel things sef...
That's to tell us Gunn is just too overrated...
The nonsensical plot holes in that movie can create a country size black hole...

Don't get me wrong, David Corenswet is a good Superman/Clark Kent. He is a better actor than Henry Cavill. I feel Cavill needs to start working on his performances, and of course choosing the roles he plays if he is interested in being an actor than an action star. However, I felt SUPERMAN underutilized Corenswet. I suggest people go watch his audition tape for the role. That script shows why the guy is good, and that script really should have been used in the actual film. In the film, Corenswet was made to overreact. And I hate what they did with Ultraman. I hate the story actually. And I feel they really should have focused on the Israel/Palestine war that was in the film, lol. That should have being the subject matter of the film. James Gunn really had the right idea but execution was the issue. I feel he should have used Lex Luthor as a brainy mastermind lol, a real threat and kept Ultraman as Bizarro instead but used Bizarro to frame Superman. Perhaps have Bizarro dressed as Superman to level the "Israeli" country thus provoking global outrage and conversation and sorts, then have the film take the tone of Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Dude, there is a way the story would have been that it would have killed any comparison that anyone would want to have. He already had a talented cast bar Martha and Jonathan Kent whom I hate lol. Also, there was no need for that Eve character. Jeez. Lex Luthor should be an existential threat to Superman not some Hot fool.

Hohenheim:
No, You 🫵 can't take the character serious most people already do.

Good for them lol.

pu7pl3:
You wey dey read comics dey talk this rubbish too.
How does Superman look in the Comics? How does Guy Gardener look in the comics?

Una just dey find wetin to grasp at, if you didn't enjoy it no vex but many of us did and are anticipating more.

Not everyone reads comics. And speaking of comics, there are issues where the character is better written. If you are talking about comics, how about the animated series and films where Superman is presented in serious light? Let's talk about the CW Superman. And that wasn't a movie mind you.

James Gunn is better writing obscure characters. Listen I have no problem with the portrayal of Superman, Lois, Lex Luthor, Guy or Mister Terrific, I have issues with the story and the costumes. Sure the acting was over the top sometimes but that's not on the actors.

SMUAG:
The movie na complete wacko from start to finish honestly...
Exactly! the movie is meant to insult the intelligence of the smart ones, cause everything about the movie felt so fake and unreal for one to even start with... No wonder WB could not wait longer to lose more money to theatre owners that's why they rushed to put it on digital for people to buy or rent and see if they can recoup some of their loss....
Nobody is falling for those shills and influencers called critics anymore.. Check all the recent cbm they are giving high scores, you can deduce that some kind agenda is going on, cause the movies are never as good as critics are scoring them...

The scene where Clark and Lois were having a real conversation was good though but I prefer the original that Corenswet auditioned with. In the actual film, the guy ended up over acting.

SMUAG:
Maybe I was the only one before now talking about the cosplay costume....
The other guys here claimed the suit is the very best
I don't think James Gunn can handle a Justice League movie with many top tier characters. He excel more with unknown characters so he can easily injects his escapism style. Only one character which can still be regarded as top tier character I will like to see him write and direct is Shazam, the main Captain Marvel..
If WB knows what they're doing then they don't need person like Gunn to write, not to talk of directing a Justice League movie. He will completely destroyed Batman if he's giving the opportunity oh... Again, I don't think there is much enthusiasm cbm this days cause what this guys are putting out are low of qualities...
The genre likely picking up now is the horror genre..

The longer it goes, no serious actor who cares about their career will want to be in CBMs any more. SUPERMAN was an insult to one's Intelligence, and not like one is that smart. I couldn't take the film seriously neither did I find it funny. The suits itself didn't help.

Nickshrapnel:
The suits are made by maxwell lord and will be changed later I think. But for superman, I don’t think they’re changing it and I hate the trunk… always hated it

How did the movie have Superman has a minor character? I don’t have the figure for his screen time but he had the most minutes in that movie

I'm not talking about screen appearance but actually having an effect on the story. I'm not talking about the Maxwell Lord suits. Then again, why would a space cop be a hero for hire?

The Superman suit is ridiculous and not aesthetically pleasing to look at. Heck, you can't take the character serious if he is dressed in that.

How come no one is talking about the costumes or is it just me? I can't be the only one who finds the costume silly especially in contemporary times.

They have to change that thing before Justice League hits. I believe James Gunn will crush it with a Justice League movie though. That's the kind of thing he excels in. Team up films. Superman would have worked better if it was not a Superman solo movie but a film that has Superman as a minor character.

I think we are in an era where comic book movies are no longer the hype again. Marvel killed it with Infinity War and Endgame. I believe they could have ended big screen blockbuster marvel films with that and focused on Disney + to continue their Multiverse Saga with only Spiderman No Way Home, Deadpool and Wolverine and the upcoming two Avengers films being the blockbuster releases in the saga. For James Gunn DCU, he could have set up the whole thing before making a Superman movie. And with what I saw, I think he was better off not making a Superman movie.
Coming from someone who loves Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad.

My thoughts on James Gunn's SUPERMAN:

The writing really could have been better. Gunn has written better stories with heart and fun,but SUPERMAN wasn't it. The movie tried to be everything at once, same mistake Zack Snyder made with BvS. The writing wasted a good cast.

One issue I had with the film was pacing, tone and stake. Scenes aren't allowed to breathe. We don't know the character Dynamics, we are just thrown into scenes and with lots of exposition to explain it. The krypto character was unnecessary. Like Jesus, is this film meant for a general audience or strictly for kids? A lot of jokes don't land or felt forced. And seriously, what's it with the Lex Luthor girlfriend thing? That looks silly. I mean it really cheapened who the villain is if he was to keep around someone like that in his business space. And the way he was exposed, I mean, really? Jesus Christ, Gunn couldn't have come up with a better investigative journalist arc for both Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane than have Lois teaming up with vigilantes when she could be out looking for the scoop of the century? This is the problem I had with MOS, putting Lois Lane in places a journalist normally wouldn't be in and not having the journalist act like a journalist. Superman and Lois got Lois way better. The actress is fantastic but the story failed her just like Amy Adams.

Then, let's talk about the costume. Jesus, I see nowhere it's explained why all the suits look second grade in the movie. I get that Max Lord is funding the Justice Gang but why is Green Lantern not in GLC uniform? Besides, GL is supposed to be a cop not a vigilante for hire. And the Metamorpho arc was just contrived. Why was he working for Lex? How did Lex get to kidnap his kid?

I loved Nicolas Hoult's Lex Luthor. It's something I thought Jesse Eisenberg would be in BvS. However I felt he started to over-act towards the end. And the story wasn't fair to him by not giving him a motivation aside whatever it was they gave him.

Again, I hated how they started the film. I get they were going for a James Bond-esque opening but jeez, there was no build up to keep tension that the stakes were high for SUPERMAN.

The cinematography or the color scheme and CGI was really second rate. I mean, Superman returns had better CGI and that was 2006. SUPERMAN looked more like a CW episode than the CW series even did ironically.

Lastly, they better change that suit.
And recast the Kents. Jonathan Kent looks like a guy who worked with the Italian mafia and retired to live on a farm. Martha Kent looks like a racist grandma who used to own slaves back in the day.

Xavier5:
My own na make em gross minimum of $671M. I wan enter Snyderbots WhatsApp group. Currently at $551M... so minimum of $120M to go, all this in just 3 to 4 weeks, unlike MoS wey take 4 months to see $668M, and 12 years to add extra $2M to finally enter $670M 😂. Snyderbots worse nightmare go soon happen 😎😂



#Xavier

I actually doubt it will gross that. I could be wrong though. So far it underperformed internationally. The international box office hasn't been good to American films lately.

Hello fam! Been a while.
Mhen, I haven't visited Nairaland in years. What's up with you all?
How's the weather treating you all? Missed this thread, mhen.

How do you all see the Superman movie?

Lh19:
Have you seen her in the 'Marvelous Mrs Maisel'?

Nah.

Kaycee7:
Team No Trunks. I think the trunks style has aged out, at least for serious adaptations. Can still be used for animated adaptations or campy movies/series

My point exactly. There has to be a reason he would wear pants outside his trousers lol.

itsADE:
are you team trunks or team no trunks, i found this picture online and I think its a good mock up version of the suit

Trunks in the modern day? Eesh... don't know how to feel about that one, bro.

Kaycee7:
Even the video of the Lois, Clark and Lex actors with the iconic Superman theme playing in the background. Nicolas Hoult has already shaved his head. David Corenswet is looking buff. The ministry is moving to the permanent site.

I am more excited for Nicolas Hoult. Not sure of Rachel Brosnahan. I get this innocent feel on her which isn't something I don't picture of a Lois Lane. I don't want another damsel in distress Lois Lane. More of the Erica Durance and Bitsie Tulloch Lois Lane will be appreciated.

SMUAG:
Not impress with it...

Same. I love the colors but the smooth feel of the crest is lost. I get this Batman sort of edginess to the symbol.

SMUAG:
The biggest mistake is trying to throw tv/series into a conversation where they aren't suppose to be... A series can't be compared to movies because tv/series can get away with so many things that movies can't. Let them try The boys as just a standalone movie and watch how it goes... Their are so many flaws in tv/series that audience can easily let go because their are still much room and time to make up for those flaws and series are meant to work with mini budgets, lesser vfx etc...so when a series breaks such boundaries then people tend to invest more of their time on it because what they are actually seeing now looks different. Whereas movies are expected to be so.

True but bro, a lot of films have managed to flesh out characters while driving the plot. In the DCEU we really didn't get invested in the characters.
So character focus isn't just for TV shows. I get that tv shows have a soft landing compared to films but the DCEU had a lot of flaws.

I still don't understand what you mean by Henry was lame (as Superman) in MoS.. I guess you judging from the angle of Christopher Reeve's Superman, because from what I have come to know their are 100s of version or alteration of Superman out there and I don't think many of us have read up to 20 different versions for us to completely say he was lame in MoS... I think somebody answered this same question on MoS being lame/bad perfectly on Quora site and even gave the actual version that Henry Cavill's Superman was actually portraying. Maybe if I get hold of that excerpt (again) I will paste it here...
Yes, their are/were flaws in both movies, but the bulk of the blames should go to WB for trying to be faster than their shadows in everything...
Even the best story tellers and writers will suffer almost the same fate as Snyder if their works are being heavily meddled with...

Yea, true. I agree but a charismatic actor would have done better in MOS. I love Cavill as Supes and admit the writing wasn't that impressive but Cavill couldn't get us to connect with Clark or Superman. He was great in JL as he got more comfortable in the role.

nani667:
°°°

Omo, this is gangster. She for no talk. Then again, that's social media for you.

SMUAG:
Though time will tell, even if I don't like his take on cbm characters...
It's so painful how they used their "cbm must be lighthearted, fun and in all have hearts" killed and destroyed the whole genre.
They don't even give room for other takes/styles to work in the cbm world - once your style did not flow with the mainstream audiences (which mainly consist of mcu fanboys) then that movie is dead already...

The problem with the DCEU then was that it was too plot driven. It wasn't the dark tone or light tone. That was the misconception. It didn't have character moments that weren't reliant on just moving the plot but getting audiences to actually care about the characters. I didn't feel the love between Lois and Clark, we didn't even get to know Clark or Lex or Batman. Why Wonder Woman was liked was cause it had these moments. Same with the first Aquaman film.
Look at The Boys for example, that show is dark and people love it. Cause it's character driven. Same with Gen V.
Now, the mistake WB made was trying to make the Franchise like Marvel rather than correct the narrative style.
Now, we have to agree that Zack Snyder's weakness is, he isn't good at fleshing a story that surrounds around characters. He is more of the aesthetic and action director. He is not strong on story. That was what killed BvS and MOS. And to be fair, Henry Cavill was lame in MOS. He got better in BvS. Or maybe it was the direction. His Clark and Superman were just robots. He barely had facial expressions to contribute to his performance.

A lot of problems with the DCEU and WB was the chief architect of it. They should have had better script writers and not had Snyder build the universe. I feel they could have had a writer or two to carve out the plan and work it with directors who will then bring their own styles into the films.

TonySpike:
James Gunn will put a final death kneel to the CBM industry once and for all.

The franchise is already dead bro. Less interested in anything from it again.

SMUAG:
We lost it soon they want everything to be mcu-like and I hope James Gunn must've learnt one or two from it.

Then again, I don't think WB hired the right man to build a Cinematic universe.

SMUAG:
Same here, brother!
Longest time...

Is it coincidence that this our wonderful page is dying a natural d=^th just like the DCEU...? I hope not cause I love this thread...
Minemrys maybe you can help us to retcon the name to the current DC under James Gunn so we continue (from there).
Some of us had always been on the defence for the DCEU and I think is time we be on the offence now

Na my turn to dey nitpick any little mistakes I see o...

Lol. Maybe some of us are tired of superhero films and its enthusiasm. Or perhaps no longer logging in to Nairaland.

For me, it's a bit of the two. Superhero stuff no longer excite me like before. I'm more into comedy, drama and romance flicks now sort of.
And WB didn't help matters.
For the James Gunn universe, give it a few projects before the superhero fatigue catches up to it.

Happy New Year, guys.
Long time, folks. How are we all doing?
@Pu7pl3, @abduleez1, @thekingishere, @Bankygee, @raalsalghul, @thehulk616, @SMAUG, I know I am missing a lot of names, but happy new year, everyone.

SMUAG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgLNzunkS9U?si=I844V3QPFfh2135O


Hope James Gunn lovers here will not call people names when the coin is turned...
I was waiting for his fans to post this for a while now but they didn't, so I say let me help myself out.
Only him won b writer, director and critic at the same time...no wahala

Lol, I may not like him but I don't hold this against him. And seriously I am not wishing his DCU to fail cause let's face it, WB are the real problem not Gunn. It's okay for him to not like something.

SMUAG:
I suggest he should completely reboots everything, not one of the old guys should be kept. Cause I don't want a situation where if any of his movie fails the blame will now be tied to those old guns by saying people still have that bitter taste of dceu. I don't want that, those Snyder's casts have suffered a lots from similar situations once the movies they're in did not meet up expectations...
He should do 100% reboot. Nothing like keeping any old casts.

I love this angle. I am not happy Gadot agreed to do this. But I am not opposed to her returning if that's what she wants.

BlackManta:
James Gunn should stop talking to them.

He shouldn't make any promises or feed them the idea that they might stick around in DCU.

He should block their numbers until further notice.

Gal wouldn't be saying all this nonsense to the media if James Gunn hadn't talked to her about her future

This is all Gunn's fault.

I don't want that woman anywhere near DCU. Throw her away.

It's as if you don't know she's a Hollywood commodity now. You guys hate her cause of WW84 but forget she was good before then and could have played the role better with a better script.

TheMaterialist:
Believe me when I tell you this,
You don't need Villains to make a good
Super Hero Story.


You Just Need Well Written Antagonists.



The Antagonist May Be Human, It may be non
Human, It may be a Situation or an Environment,
It could be literally anything that is against the
Interests or the Desires of the Protagonist.


World Hunger as Depicted in the Comic serves
as an antagonist, because it opposes
Superman's Desire for World Peace, Superman
Just can't sit down and fold his hands when
there are Millions of children dying of hunger
everyday.



Conflict is the Music of a Story as long as there is
Conflict, the story advances.

When an Protagonist resolves conflict easily
or quickly, it kills off the tension in a story,
Tension is necessary for anyone to enjoy a good
Story.



The Best Way Write Superman is not by giving him a Bigger and Badder Villain, It is to
Give Him Problems He Cannot Punch His Way
Out Of.
Problems that he cannot Solve With His Vast
Array of Powers and Abilities.


And World Hunger is One of Such Problems.


Writers should stop giving Superman Punching
Bags in the Form of Newer Villains.

Superman Returns did that. But lots of people had issues with it. I get your point but listen you can't have a Superman film without having action. There has to be a balance.
Superman fighting world hunger would take Nolan kind of writing to work. And I repeat, you need action in a Superman film. You don't need villains, true but you need a convincing story and spectacle.

TheMaterialist:
Superman Tries to End World Hunger.


This is a story I would like to see being made into
a Superman Movie Someday.

It captures the essence of Superman.



Painting and art by Award winning Artist Alex Ross
Story by Paul Dini.



https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Peace-on-Earth/Full?id=47578

It won't work. They tried something like that with a Quest for peace, and it tanked.
It will be boring and what villain symbolizes the theme? What works for comics might not work on TV.