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SMUAG:
Yes, I get your point, but the reality on how Luthor was portrayed last, shown he has zero empathy for anything other than himself and there won't be that time to make it look believable for both to drop their differences in just their next meeting. They could've saved them teaming up for like their 3rd of 4th movies when the threat has become so immense that he has no other option than to work with Superman.

Being a writer myself, there's actually a way to have them team up, but it's not going to be a team up in the traditional sense. An alliance of inconvenience of sorts that'll have them fighting each other at the end. Remember he is working with ARGUS now and indirectly the government in Peacemaker? Superman could be called in to supervise him after things blew back on ARGUS and to play both sides, Lex plays nice.

SMUAG:
The issue is not even with Gunn again but his fans, who think everything Gunn touches are all good and perfect...
If they can come out to call that ret@rd costume of Superman "great" then expect anything from them. A $225m movie budget yet the suit looked more like a cosplay one made for halloween. Everything about the universe looks way too cheap for one to take them serious.

That's what you get when your PR is good and you are friends with the right people. I mean, Michael Rosenbaum who isn't generous with his criticism on things, praised the Superman film and hyped up the Supergirl film even before the movie was put together lol.

It goes to show you that Hollywood is nothing but an industry for political agenda and sycophancy.

Gunn has goodwill unlike Snyder and from what I saw recently from Christopher Nolan, if he hadn't been Christopher Nolan and made his mark already, his latest film The Odyssey would have been torn to shreds. Most times it doesn't matter if you are a good filmmaker or not. All the more reason I don't take Hollywood films seriously anymore.

SMUAG:
Bro, sometimes I just go on youtube, put my earpiece on, search any of the Snyder's DCEU movies and quietly relax and watch just to listen to the great scores!
Snyderverse DCEU scores were so epic! Not this I'm a punk rockstar scores James Gunn wants to suffocate his fans with Very childish scores with no serious moments at all.
Just try comparing the "war cry" from Wonder Woman when battling with Doomsday to that Hawkgirl pussycat scream then you go know say na play Gunn come play Na sabbatical leave guy man come do for DC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoHpLUoCMt4?si=QEtgItGd1Bli-UG3

I hate what he did with Hawkgirl. To be honest, if you removed the Justice gang from the film, it would have been a better film. That and of course, change the Superman suit. They have to change that sh!t.

SMUAG:
Bro, Man of Tomorrow being good is one herculean task oh!
That movie was never green-lit because it was suppose to, it was hurriedly green-lit and pushed into production because our man, Gunn, can not believe what hit him on Justice gang and also he couldn't live with the failure of seeing his movie failed to perform
How are they going to reunite Superman and Lex in Man of Tomorrow after the so much hatred they claimed Lex have on Superman? I don't see a better writing to convince many of how Lex and Supes easily sort out their differences in a jiffy. Yes, on mere thought it looks way simple, but to make it look believable in movie is a whole different game entirely. I think the movie runtime won't give them that luxury to flesh it out properly - and this happens to be one of many hills this movie needs to climb for it to be anything close to epic...

From what I understand about Lex LUTHOR and Superman dynamic is that they aren't supposed to be friends or like each other. They are not going to hug or shake hands, so it's actually easy to have them work together for the good of humanity, Lex of course is doing it for show and has ulterior motives as well.

That said, MOT feels rushed but story and execution is what determines a great film. Right now, it's stacked up of characters that I wonder if James Gunn can tell a good story in under 2 hours cause he is quoted saying he doesn't like films that go too far beyond the 2 hour mark.

Also, has anybody noticed how lifeless Metropolis was made to feel in Superman? Or even Peacemaker's city didn't have life to it. I don't know why that is. Then again, everything just feels cheap and cartoonish.

Delacroix6:
I wonder how James GONE fans are going to try to cope with this.

This means there's going to be a lot of writing and rewriting for Man of Tomorrow. We are about to get a totally different film as opposed to what we got in Superman and Supergirl. I'm counting on a knee-jerk reaction by WB now. And I believe that will be the last film that goes into production in the meantime until the Paramount thing is finalized.

They really need to change those suit designs. They should hire the costume designers that worked on Black Adam.

TonySpike:
Actually, The Boys took a lot of inspiration from Snyder's cut but in a comedic and gritty manner. Formulaic is no longer in vogue.

It kind of had to since The Boys was basically meant to be realistic and mirror real world but with superheroes as celebrities.

TonySpike:
The costume looks like CW DC series type of costume.

CW costumes were actually better bro. It's the costumes that take me out of it. It shows James Gunn isn't even taking the thing seriously. It just looks cheap, the vibe feels cheap, everything feels like WB has given up on it and don't care.

Good to have you back, bro.

TonySpike:
Superhero genre has outlived it's usefulness and is now at a completion.

Yeah that's true. Then again, when the genre has become formulaic, it's bound to get stale. This is why The Boys did well. It went against formula.

SMUAG:
I agree on the bolded statement, but that alone shows Gunn was never that great nor that smart as a director...
A smart one will push out the director's cut if he was smart enough to know neither cuts will make the movie better - probably he thought the leaks will not get out there that he interfered and his cut happened to be the one officially released.
The genre is slowly dying and director like James Gunn is fasten it with the types of garbage movies he loves putting out. What Gunn is doing is no different from what the general audience is running away from - too much generic movies...

What excuse will James Gunn babies give us now that Superflop is going to digital just like her cousin did

Looking at the film, the problem was basically execution. The story wasn't bad actually. I feel it should have been darker, sort of like the Nolan film vibe considering the theme.

I think people are still stuck with the Marvel formula, and it's what is killing DC films. In an effort to go for light-hearted and fun, it's become rather childish and silly.

SMUAG:
But, but but Supergirl was not directed by James Gunn so you can't blame him for the embarrassment
Gunn babies and moving the goalposts are like kuli kuli and akara

A new bombshell report from The Hollywood Reporter reveals that DC Studios co-CEOs James Gunn and Peter Safran clashed with director Craig Gillespie over the final cut of Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow.
According to insiders, the film struggled to find its footing in post-production after wrapping in May 2025, with early test screenings pulling scores trapped in the 60s.
The creative friction grew to the point where the studio forced a "bakeoff"—testing two competing versions of the movie against each other. Gillespie’s cut was reportedly 11 minutes longer and featured a heavier emphasis on the villain, Krem (Matthias Schoenaerts), while the studio’s cut featured alternative music choices and scenes rewritten by Jeremy Slater (Moon Knight) for a 9-day reshoot.
Ultimately, the studio’s cut edged out the director’s version by a razor-thin two points in test screenings, becoming the version sent to theaters. While some sources describe the tension as "healthy creative friction," others state the two sides were simply "not creatively aligned." With the film opening to a rocky $37.1 million weekend and mixed reviews, the debate over who is to blame for the final product is just heating up - FilmWire

From what I have read, it seems neither cut would have done well either. What you get when you rush things through and don't listen to what the audience want.

Superhero movies are dying slowly and right now, only nostalgia and having a great story that relates with existing trends seem to working for it, hence why Marvel chickened out of Kang Dynasty to bringing back Robert Downey.

Again, shows Warner Bros are the ones shooting themselves in the foot.

I can't believe WB had Christopher Nolan doing Batman, to then losing him.
Come to think of it, the Supergirl film (the storyline that is) is something Nolan would have done real well. I genuinely love the central idea, but the execution, not really.

Looking at the DCU, I wouldn't entirely blame James Gunn but David Zaslav and WB. WB has been the real enemy of the DC franchise. I mean, what's so difficult hiring good writers, producers, directors and even award winning score composers to attach to various DC IPs? Well, the answer rests on Capitalism and politics.

One problem the current DCU has is hype; building hype and maintaining it. There's also the fact that the whole thing feels like a cheap CW series, no offense. Right now, nothing has practically convinced me to want to see Supergirl or even Man of Tomorrow and Lanterns.

Usually, we are supposed to have at least an A list star attached to each of these projects or even a known or established director, writer and producer. Right now, I don't even know who the director of Supergirl is.

The person I feel for is the actress who deserves recognition for her talent.

samistry:
The Snyder that is not 'woke' race swapped Perry Saturn and Mercy graves🤣.

Mercy Graves is an original character that isn't in the comics though. She was an animated character. The Perry White thing being Black is what I don't get. Maybe it is one of Hollywood's racist joke, in the sense that a Black man is a white. Mercy Graves being Asian is what I felt she was in the Superman Animated Series.

itscalebmark:
For me Superman movie was too woke for the audience, I really liked the Synder's "Superman". Henry Cavill is the perfect Superman, along with the story & everything.

Hey, if you are a black person, don't follow these white supremacists who are trying to vilify a genuine course by black Americans for the right to live in a fair society that doesn't demean anyone. You can use other words but not Woke. You have no idea what the term truly means.

Sure, the new SUPERMAN film is cringe and tried hard to separate itself from Zack Snyder that it ended up being very childish and looking cheap.

BlackManta:
Court of Owls
Hugo Strange
Firefly
Clayface

Just a handful of popular Batman villains that have never featured in a movie.

I think we're most likely getting Court of Owls

Wasn't that Russian guy in BvS meant to be Firefly or something?

SMUAG:
There was even a video out there where David was challenging Gunn on how Superman supposed to perceived and feel things sef...
That's to tell us Gunn is just too overrated...
The nonsensical plot holes in that movie can create a country size black hole...

Don't get me wrong, David Corenswet is a good Superman/Clark Kent. He is a better actor than Henry Cavill. I feel Cavill needs to start working on his performances, and of course choosing the roles he plays if he is interested in being an actor than an action star. However, I felt SUPERMAN underutilized Corenswet. I suggest people go watch his audition tape for the role. That script shows why the guy is good, and that script really should have been used in the actual film. In the film, Corenswet was made to overreact. And I hate what they did with Ultraman. I hate the story actually. And I feel they really should have focused on the Israel/Palestine war that was in the film, lol. That should have being the subject matter of the film. James Gunn really had the right idea but execution was the issue. I feel he should have used Lex Luthor as a brainy mastermind lol, a real threat and kept Ultraman as Bizarro instead but used Bizarro to frame Superman. Perhaps have Bizarro dressed as Superman to level the "Israeli" country thus provoking global outrage and conversation and sorts, then have the film take the tone of Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Dude, there is a way the story would have been that it would have killed any comparison that anyone would want to have. He already had a talented cast bar Martha and Jonathan Kent whom I hate lol. Also, there was no need for that Eve character. Jeez. Lex Luthor should be an existential threat to Superman not some Hot fool.

Hohenheim:
No, You 🫵 can't take the character serious most people already do.

Good for them lol.

pu7pl3:
You wey dey read comics dey talk this rubbish too.
How does Superman look in the Comics? How does Guy Gardener look in the comics?

Una just dey find wetin to grasp at, if you didn't enjoy it no vex but many of us did and are anticipating more.

Not everyone reads comics. And speaking of comics, there are issues where the character is better written. If you are talking about comics, how about the animated series and films where Superman is presented in serious light? Let's talk about the CW Superman. And that wasn't a movie mind you.

James Gunn is better writing obscure characters. Listen I have no problem with the portrayal of Superman, Lois, Lex Luthor, Guy or Mister Terrific, I have issues with the story and the costumes. Sure the acting was over the top sometimes but that's not on the actors.

SMUAG:
The movie na complete wacko from start to finish honestly...
Exactly! the movie is meant to insult the intelligence of the smart ones, cause everything about the movie felt so fake and unreal for one to even start with... No wonder WB could not wait longer to lose more money to theatre owners that's why they rushed to put it on digital for people to buy or rent and see if they can recoup some of their loss....
Nobody is falling for those shills and influencers called critics anymore.. Check all the recent cbm they are giving high scores, you can deduce that some kind agenda is going on, cause the movies are never as good as critics are scoring them...

The scene where Clark and Lois were having a real conversation was good though but I prefer the original that Corenswet auditioned with. In the actual film, the guy ended up over acting.

SMUAG:
Maybe I was the only one before now talking about the cosplay costume....
The other guys here claimed the suit is the very best
I don't think James Gunn can handle a Justice League movie with many top tier characters. He excel more with unknown characters so he can easily injects his escapism style. Only one character which can still be regarded as top tier character I will like to see him write and direct is Shazam, the main Captain Marvel..
If WB knows what they're doing then they don't need person like Gunn to write, not to talk of directing a Justice League movie. He will completely destroyed Batman if he's giving the opportunity oh... Again, I don't think there is much enthusiasm cbm this days cause what this guys are putting out are low of qualities...
The genre likely picking up now is the horror genre..

The longer it goes, no serious actor who cares about their career will want to be in CBMs any more. SUPERMAN was an insult to one's Intelligence, and not like one is that smart. I couldn't take the film seriously neither did I find it funny. The suits itself didn't help.

Nickshrapnel:
The suits are made by maxwell lord and will be changed later I think. But for superman, I don’t think they’re changing it and I hate the trunk… always hated it

How did the movie have Superman has a minor character? I don’t have the figure for his screen time but he had the most minutes in that movie

I'm not talking about screen appearance but actually having an effect on the story. I'm not talking about the Maxwell Lord suits. Then again, why would a space cop be a hero for hire?

The Superman suit is ridiculous and not aesthetically pleasing to look at. Heck, you can't take the character serious if he is dressed in that.

How come no one is talking about the costumes or is it just me? I can't be the only one who finds the costume silly especially in contemporary times.

They have to change that thing before Justice League hits. I believe James Gunn will crush it with a Justice League movie though. That's the kind of thing he excels in. Team up films. Superman would have worked better if it was not a Superman solo movie but a film that has Superman as a minor character.

I think we are in an era where comic book movies are no longer the hype again. Marvel killed it with Infinity War and Endgame. I believe they could have ended big screen blockbuster marvel films with that and focused on Disney + to continue their Multiverse Saga with only Spiderman No Way Home, Deadpool and Wolverine and the upcoming two Avengers films being the blockbuster releases in the saga. For James Gunn DCU, he could have set up the whole thing before making a Superman movie. And with what I saw, I think he was better off not making a Superman movie.
Coming from someone who loves Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad.

My thoughts on James Gunn's SUPERMAN:

The writing really could have been better. Gunn has written better stories with heart and fun,but SUPERMAN wasn't it. The movie tried to be everything at once, same mistake Zack Snyder made with BvS. The writing wasted a good cast.

One issue I had with the film was pacing, tone and stake. Scenes aren't allowed to breathe. We don't know the character Dynamics, we are just thrown into scenes and with lots of exposition to explain it. The krypto character was unnecessary. Like Jesus, is this film meant for a general audience or strictly for kids? A lot of jokes don't land or felt forced. And seriously, what's it with the Lex Luthor girlfriend thing? That looks silly. I mean it really cheapened who the villain is if he was to keep around someone like that in his business space. And the way he was exposed, I mean, really? Jesus Christ, Gunn couldn't have come up with a better investigative journalist arc for both Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane than have Lois teaming up with vigilantes when she could be out looking for the scoop of the century? This is the problem I had with MOS, putting Lois Lane in places a journalist normally wouldn't be in and not having the journalist act like a journalist. Superman and Lois got Lois way better. The actress is fantastic but the story failed her just like Amy Adams.

Then, let's talk about the costume. Jesus, I see nowhere it's explained why all the suits look second grade in the movie. I get that Max Lord is funding the Justice Gang but why is Green Lantern not in GLC uniform? Besides, GL is supposed to be a cop not a vigilante for hire. And the Metamorpho arc was just contrived. Why was he working for Lex? How did Lex get to kidnap his kid?

I loved Nicolas Hoult's Lex Luthor. It's something I thought Jesse Eisenberg would be in BvS. However I felt he started to over-act towards the end. And the story wasn't fair to him by not giving him a motivation aside whatever it was they gave him.

Again, I hated how they started the film. I get they were going for a James Bond-esque opening but jeez, there was no build up to keep tension that the stakes were high for SUPERMAN.

The cinematography or the color scheme and CGI was really second rate. I mean, Superman returns had better CGI and that was 2006. SUPERMAN looked more like a CW episode than the CW series even did ironically.

Lastly, they better change that suit.
And recast the Kents. Jonathan Kent looks like a guy who worked with the Italian mafia and retired to live on a farm. Martha Kent looks like a racist grandma who used to own slaves back in the day.

Xavier5:
My own na make em gross minimum of $671M. I wan enter Snyderbots WhatsApp group. Currently at $551M... so minimum of $120M to go, all this in just 3 to 4 weeks, unlike MoS wey take 4 months to see $668M, and 12 years to add extra $2M to finally enter $670M 😂. Snyderbots worse nightmare go soon happen 😎😂



#Xavier

I actually doubt it will gross that. I could be wrong though. So far it underperformed internationally. The international box office hasn't been good to American films lately.

Hello fam! Been a while.
Mhen, I haven't visited Nairaland in years. What's up with you all?
How's the weather treating you all? Missed this thread, mhen.

How do you all see the Superman movie?

Lh19:
Have you seen her in the 'Marvelous Mrs Maisel'?

Nah.

Kaycee7:
Team No Trunks. I think the trunks style has aged out, at least for serious adaptations. Can still be used for animated adaptations or campy movies/series

My point exactly. There has to be a reason he would wear pants outside his trousers lol.

itsADE:
are you team trunks or team no trunks, i found this picture online and I think its a good mock up version of the suit

Trunks in the modern day? Eesh... don't know how to feel about that one, bro.

Kaycee7:
Even the video of the Lois, Clark and Lex actors with the iconic Superman theme playing in the background. Nicolas Hoult has already shaved his head. David Corenswet is looking buff. The ministry is moving to the permanent site.

I am more excited for Nicolas Hoult. Not sure of Rachel Brosnahan. I get this innocent feel on her which isn't something I don't picture of a Lois Lane. I don't want another damsel in distress Lois Lane. More of the Erica Durance and Bitsie Tulloch Lois Lane will be appreciated.

SMUAG:
Not impress with it...

Same. I love the colors but the smooth feel of the crest is lost. I get this Batman sort of edginess to the symbol.

SMUAG:
The biggest mistake is trying to throw tv/series into a conversation where they aren't suppose to be... A series can't be compared to movies because tv/series can get away with so many things that movies can't. Let them try The boys as just a standalone movie and watch how it goes... Their are so many flaws in tv/series that audience can easily let go because their are still much room and time to make up for those flaws and series are meant to work with mini budgets, lesser vfx etc...so when a series breaks such boundaries then people tend to invest more of their time on it because what they are actually seeing now looks different. Whereas movies are expected to be so.

True but bro, a lot of films have managed to flesh out characters while driving the plot. In the DCEU we really didn't get invested in the characters.
So character focus isn't just for TV shows. I get that tv shows have a soft landing compared to films but the DCEU had a lot of flaws.

I still don't understand what you mean by Henry was lame (as Superman) in MoS.. I guess you judging from the angle of Christopher Reeve's Superman, because from what I have come to know their are 100s of version or alteration of Superman out there and I don't think many of us have read up to 20 different versions for us to completely say he was lame in MoS... I think somebody answered this same question on MoS being lame/bad perfectly on Quora site and even gave the actual version that Henry Cavill's Superman was actually portraying. Maybe if I get hold of that excerpt (again) I will paste it here...
Yes, their are/were flaws in both movies, but the bulk of the blames should go to WB for trying to be faster than their shadows in everything...
Even the best story tellers and writers will suffer almost the same fate as Snyder if their works are being heavily meddled with...

Yea, true. I agree but a charismatic actor would have done better in MOS. I love Cavill as Supes and admit the writing wasn't that impressive but Cavill couldn't get us to connect with Clark or Superman. He was great in JL as he got more comfortable in the role.