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abduleez1:
My issue with Snyder's Superman is not really even the death's. It's understandable.
The only major issue I have is Clark watching while his dad died. That's definitely not what the core of the character stands for. I can overlook that but that BVS shithood were Superman had to die, in just the second movie was the last straw.
Person wey we never familiarise with and understand.

Yea, I had problem with Superman dying in BvS and the Martha nonsense.
But Jonathan dying was explained. But I felt they missed out on not showing a sub plot of someone figuring out Clark's secret and blackmailing the Kent's before Jonathan did something to keep them shut. It would have explained better why Clark obeyed and decided to trust Jonathan before the tornado came at him. But they could have made him try to run into the tornado.

Batman killing ain't my problem. My problem is killing Dick Grayson when we have a 20yrs old experienced Dark Knight without even giving us a glimpse of the Robin character. How do you build a franchise that way?

Dude, Grayson could still have showed up and it could have been another story itself. We never knew what really happened nor did we see a body.

We're still gonna spend additional years with Superman being mind-controlled by Darkseid in the future. We're always gonna spend reasonable time with Zack's Supes being evil or an antihero theme if the plan came to fruition.
Another wild plan is having Lois Lane fvvk Bruce and even have a son for him. What was he cooking?
Anyways, the fact remains, BVS is the movie that started the mighty fall of the DCEU and forever scarred general audiences in relation to the brand. Also that stupendous clusterfvck of Suicide Squad and atrocious Josstice League sealed the fate.

You do know that could still happen right? And Darkseid influencing Superman is something that has happened before in the cartoons, as well as Lois Lane dating billionaires like Lex Luthor, Bruce Wayne have been portrayed before in animation and live action.

Someone saying peeps are just following critics words is just talking gibberish and being defensive.
So no one grew up with Superman content over the years? Na this kind of Gaslighting dey cause problems with other people in the first place with this Cult.
I'm not a fan of campy shït or Superheroes but structural issues like this is a big deal.

I wish I was talking gibberish. If Man of Steel was critically acclaimed no one would have found faults in a lot of the things they are nitpicking, trust me.
If Nolan made MOS or BVS, no one would nitpick.
Look at Tenet for example, who is shitting on the movie? But trust me, if it were another director like say Michael Bay or Snyder, people will find faults in every turn.

Critics shape a lot of perceptions. Take Ragnarok for example, many MCU fans think it's a great film because critics said it was.
It may not be with everyone but when someone starts pointing out something that was very much explained in the movie and then saying otherwise, you have to question a lot of things.
Stop shaming the Snyder fans and calling them a cult.
Call these idiots what they are, the toxic fandom.

Nickshrapnel:
I don’t know if it was on this thread but I remember telling someone before BvS that casting an older Bruce Wayne may work for Snyder story, but a universe should never be built on that. Snyderverse should have been an elseworld franchise.

It could have worked. My God, you aren't going to put Bruce Wayne and Batman in 12 films. Give Affleck his trilogy, the JL films and write him off.
No matter who they cast, he wouldn't be in 12 films. So why couldn't an older Bruce Wayne work?
Initially JL 1and2 were to be filmed back to back. An Affleck Batman film was to come out 2018, 2020, a sequel, 2022, JL 3 for instance. So you are saying Ben Affleck can't play Batman well into 2025? Lol.
Even the new Batman or Superman wouldn't appear in 12 solo films. More like cameos, and Ben Affleck couldn't do that?

SMUAG:
I think Some of the guys here need to go to place like quora to learn from guys who know this characters more, and not just thinking that Christopher Reeves' Superman is the only and best way to portray the Boy scout....

Reeve represented the trusting era. If I am to write a Superman script now, I wouldn't make him a Boy scout and of course, I wouldn't make Lex Luthor a villain cause when you sit back, realistically Lex Luthor wouldn't be considered a bad guy if Superman were to exist in the real world. And Clark wouldn't be a boy scout or naive. And that's what I love about the Superman and Lois series.

pu7pl3:
I don't agree with this your post man, that Campy Superman can't cut it in this day and age... nothing wrong with him snapping Zods neck, it was a last resort and you could clearly see how it affected him in BVS.
And there was no reconstruction done on the character, Superman has a kill count in the comics too.

No mind am.
I think most critics on here are basing their own criticism on what the film's critics said.
Please, that boy scout American symbol of propaganda wouldn't work in this age. Unless he is made complex or his villains are made complex and less of villains else you have a totally boring movie. How they wrote Captain America in later films should be how Supes is written. That's why Batman is interesting.
And as for Batman killing, it was really explained. 20 years in Gotham, he lost it.
"20 years in Gotham, how many good guys are left, how many stayed that way" this isn't a man who is optimistic in the system any longer or wanted to do it by the book. He was fighting his demons. I love those stories.

BlackManta:
The snap doesn't bother me, but the aftermath of it all was a big issue for me.

After killing Zod he screamed and felt bad for just 5 minutes.

He moved on like nothing happened.

His feelings after the snap was never addressed in BVS.

We didn't get to see how he felt about black zero event where a few thousand people died in Metropolis.

In fact, in the first 10 minutes of BVS Zack had Superman kill a terrorist by barging him through a couple of walls.

As if that wasn't enough, Zack's Superman threatened to kill Batman after failing to negotiate with him.

Zack Snyder deconstructed Superman even though nobody asked him too.

He completely tore him apart.

The hope and optimism was taken away and replaced with a broody god-like figure.

Dude, get your facts straight. Snyder addressed the terrorist wasn't killed. Before the hearing, Senator Finch realized nobody died at the hands of Superman. Not even the warlord.
Even Clark told Lois "I killed nobody if that's what they are saying"
He never threatened Batman's life, he could have taken him to the authorities and outed him, and he could have done that as Clark Kent.
Superman was very much conflicted in Dawn of Justice. He and Lois weren't even sure what he was doing. He even travelled to Smallville, called his mother and part of it was trauma over killing Zod. It wasn't spoken out but was shown.
In the desert, Jonathan told him the story about the cows who got flooded while he ate his hero cake. It was part of his actions in MOS that brought about his psychological issues leading to his exile.

A lot were cut from BVS, and Snyder did say they were going to explain the black zero event which they did. You want to nitpick, fine but dude, what exactly do you want?

Superman returns, fans had problems with it because of the lack of action. You think if a light-hearted Richard Donner Superman film came out, it will be perfect in this age?

Man of Steel was meant to represent the modern times and Superman in it. It wasn't perfect, Snyder films aren't but before you go hating on the guy, just understand what he wanted to do.

Of course, James Gunn Superman may be the best film since The Dark Knight or Infinity War, but there's also a chance it might end up divisive.

These Snyder fans crap, you all are saying, I hope you do know some non Snyder fans are in bashing the DC films. So before you go on vilifying a group of people, know there are those who love his works and don't go hating on others.

Just hope the reboot goes well than trying to fuel the hate. Else if Gunn ends up in similar boat, you will have a lot of I told you so camps.

The Snyder vision is dead, let's bury it and stop hating or quoting some idiots to stir up hate.

abduleez1:
You know this one na en you dey shout Gunn Gunn since abi.

It's like you don't read my comments. Am not just blaming Gunn but the hierarchy itself.

LiveWithIt:
Now I understand what you're trying to say, I'm actually not seeing anyone as a problem, sometimes those jabs are just for the fun it it...
Really no hard feelings, really I hardly hate on ppl as we re all humans that are so frail.

Seriously tribal hateful comments specifically in the Nigeria we have today aren't for fun, you have no idea how negative it could impact someone else. We are all one seriously just that we say or do things differently

Raalsalghul:
Lol!

Big bro, you still dey these streets? Haha!

Between DC studios and Nigerian government, I know know who clueless pass.

Shebi James Gunn is in charge now and feeling fly? Let's wait and see na.

We all know how it will go.

He'll be given the free reins to work on his projects and maybe release one or two films which likely will bomb seeing as they alienate their fans each day.

He'll be kicked out and another figure brought in who'll put his/her spin on the whole DCEU mess.

As usual, some of us faithful fans will come here happy and start lauding this new head going as far as calling them genius and the best thing that ever happened to the DCEU; we argue, fight, apportion blame to the previous head and how the future will be bright, "again": typical rinse and repeat.

Cc: Tonyspike, SMUAG

You sabi the package jare.
Nothing pain me pass the fact we were so hopeful early on, imagining what could be and being stupid enough to troll a better company who had their house in order.

abduleez1:
Yeah, who made the final decision as if you knew who had the final say in letting Cavill go.
It works both ways bro.

The final decision is made by those with the money or in control of the money. It's like saying Xavi signed Lukaku to Barcelona and shielding Laporta and the board from the blame.

LiveWithIt:
okay are you part of the problem?

My point exactly. Convincing yourself that someone is your problem. Look in the mirror, if hating on a people is what brings you joy then you don't need to look farther.

abduleez1:
Yeah, you could see his wife as Lois Lane. Repeating the same shït Snyder stans be saying online since and then come here to deny Snyder stans bashing Cavill for showcasing Black Adam.
I guess you mistakenly regurgitated the lines of "a few with multiple accounts".

Make na dey suffry dey pretend. You wey talk say you no be Snyder fan one time like that.
The duality of you peeps is eternal. LMFAO.


Anyways, farewell brother. It was quite a ride all these years.

Lol, don't pin my words on any group bro. I hardly log on Twitter to follow some online fanatics. That I said, I base my argument on the reality that we obviously had his wife pop in for a cameo in black Adam that obviously could have used another actress, and the fact that he casted a woman he was dating in a studio project.

If she's cast as another character, it's not far fetched.
Of course I said I wasn't a Snyder fan knowing what you all describe as Snyder fan. And if you have been here earlier on, you would know that there are levels to me being a Snyder fan.

I am not pained that Snyder left, let's clear things out, am pissed because the whole idea of a shared universe of connected DCEU stories was a sham I invested my time in. First and foremost I am a DC fan, then perhaps a Snyder fan, and I don't go trolling or even monitoring troll comments online.

Mhen, to think we really were excited and had high hopes for the DCEU when it started back in 2014.
@raalsalghul, Tonyspike, SMAUG and many others who sadly I can't recall again, were with us from the beginning when this thread was created, what a ride.
Turns out the excitement was all for nothing.

abduleez1:
The real question...

Either he keeps them and become a hypocrite or brings some of them back as new characters.
I could see his wife being the new Lois Lane lol. Na them sabi sha, for what it's worth, it was quite the ride but now, my watch is over.
Now I rest.

abduleez1:
This was one of the sole reason I was bothered by Pamela Abdy and De Luca making DC decisions when they weren't the Studio heads and clearly knew a new chief was incoming sooner than later.

This was the same skepticism I shared with the Constantine 2 decision and shopping out Madame Xanadu and other JL Dark projects.

You knew someone was coming in a few months, then why take major decisions that could be overturned when you aren't sure the new person is on board.

The real question is, who had the final say in the decisions? Just because they made propositions doesn't mean they had the final say. Before anything is announced, the studio heads and board know of it and sanction it.
Saying those people screwed Cavill is wrong considering they didn't have any final say till it was agreed.
Cavill said it, so blaming a bunch of employees make no sense. It's like saying a staff working in a bank goes on to hand employment letter to someone behind the knowledge of the board.
You can get sued lol.

LiveWithIt:
Very typical of Igbo ppl. Developers them

You are the kind that go on convincing yourself that a certain group of people are a problem of yours when in fact the problem stares you in the face.

johnyace:
Snyder fans never supported black Adam, they were even shiting on cavil for returning without Snyder
Guess they were right because Snyder was probably the only one who could guarantee his stay in the DCEU

This is the crap I hate. Snyder fans never wanted him returning or never supported Black Adam, bro you speak like those who generalize a group of people just because of what some idiot on the net with multiple accounts say.

Am a Snyder fan and I was overjoyed to have him back, and I literally looked forward to the black Adam movie but hey, that movie didn't defend itself and to be honest, the DCEU hasn't really defended itself since Aquaman.
Everything has been literally misfires one way or the other, and when a product isn't standing to its defense, you are likely to have nitpicking and the I told you so folks.
No DCEU film has done well both critically and financially since Aquaman. And the management has been one of the main problems of DC.

To think this studio has held on to the flagship of these characters since 1940 and still don't know how to handle them speaks volumes. And to be fair, you really can't blame fans getting angry.

Most people grew up with these characters meaning something, some were passionate about the projects when they were announced in 2014.

To think WB had no idea what they wanted is not really on fans.

AnfieldFan:
This statement was kinda meant to address the earlier plot leaks about her WW3 ...
One thing's certain, if Patty's coming back, it isn't for WW3..

At this point, I don't think anyone attached to the DCEU will be back not even the side characters. If they are then it shows Gunn does not really like Cavill as rumor earlier suggested.

BlackManta:
How many Cavill's fans showed up for Black Adam after all the noise about his return?

Shey the movie flopped?

The movie wasn't about Superman or Cavill. You think people are going to sit around for 2 hours and pay movie tickets just to watch a 5 mins clip lol.

BlackManta:
That cameo is on Dwayne Johnson.

He fought desperately to include Supes in his movie because he knew deep down in his heart that Black Adam is a terrible film that could flop.

He was trying to salvage his film.

Dwayne used Cavill.

And Henry Cavill even went as far as making videos on social media hyping his return, he also attended a talk show and all he talked about was Superman.

I think Henry Cavill was using that opportunity to campaign for himself as well. Because he knew that his future as Superman was in danger.

The more you look the less you see.

That "Superman is back" BS by Henry Cavill was a campaign to save himself, he was begging not to get fired.

Dude Superman is a WB property, and in as much as Cavill refused a cameo in Shazam, him appearing in Black Adam meant there was some form of agreement.
What do you think? That Dwayne Johnson can just do stuff without it being sanctioned? Cavill had a one picture deal and you think if there was no agreement he would have appeared?
Cavill never needed Black Adam to promote himself and as you can see he never actually needed Black Adam.
Yes, Dwayne Johnson needed Cavill but hey, he never used Cavill to promote the movie before its release.
Hence if he wanted to use Cavill to promote the film it would have been stated from the get go lol.
The film tanked with or without Cavill. Am just sad the man ditched one for another.
I hope Disney hires him for the MCU.

This is so going to backfire.

Henry Cavill bids farewell to Superman. Why make him announce his return if they were going to dump him?
James Gunn writing a new Superman movie with a younger cast.
Welcome to a new DCU.

AnfieldFan:
Getting a starting player for 15 m in this market is close to impossible...

Forget the cost first, that boy is good...Very mature and doesn't shirk the defensive responsibilities... Infact, I don't know if I've dropped it here, but I've maintained that for all his creative brilliance, I wouldn't want him if he didn't do the defensive parts and as I'm sure you know if you've watched him, he does...

You can get a starting player for 15m currently. It takes a good scouting system and the manager to trust in the talent. Robertson wasn't up to 15m. Clubs still sign players at 15m and it takes their scouts.
Liverpool na one stupid club sha cause our academy is shit. Either they can't scout good players or they can't develop talents. Our academy products have been really poor and it needs to be fixed like seriously.

IngeniousLeez:
Comic books writing and other literary works don't necessarily translate to like for like success in screenplay.
Screenwriting is way different.

He still has something decent with Stargirl.

Stargirl is decent for television not film.

abduleez1:
They're his stories quite alright. With the hate the man has earn in the last few years it would have come to light by now.
Unless proven otherwise, he's the writer of those stories.

Unless proven otherwise. Or perhaps what he writes doesn't translate to audio visual perfection or brilliance.

pu7pl3:
There is a 10year plan and all would be revealed.

It's getting too long. I hate the suspense. It better be worth it. Cause I don't trust WB any more with the waiting game.

abduleez1:
Like WTF!! I know say Geoff Johns no get sense normal, but with the kind stories wey the guy don write over the years, I still dey doubt how him go Siddon write this nonsense with Patty. E gats be pussy, cos the way she dey always involve am for projects I no understand.

It's like she's barely read a Wonder Woman comic before. And this thing dey vex me, cos na Wonder Woman comics I dey easily quick read (even if I no complete am) before I touch Supes or Batsy sef.

Are you sure he wrote those stories you think he wrote? May have been someone else's that he was credited for. Happens a lot. Cause someone who has written great stories doesn't automatically start writing crap on a consistent level. There may be hit and miss but of course the stories would at least make sense. Like the Nolans for example.

pu7pl3:
Omo Jesus wtf.
I can't believe Geoff Johns had a hand in this stupid story with his clear eyes, it's either jazz or pussy cos wtf.
Did this woman even care to read and know about wonder woman even?
Thank God for James Gunn and all the sane heads that turned it down.

The bringing Steve Trevor back doesn't make sense, isn't his body supposed to be decayed or whatever? I mean it's roughly a century plus lol. And why would Ra'as want to raid Themscyra? They certainly don't get the characters but then again, how did they get wind of Jerkin's story?
At this rate they should just do a JL2 movie where they kill off all the characters and start afresh.
The more the residual of the old cast remains, there will be a stumbling block. Give the DCEU an ending then reboot. Totally cause it's obvious there's no plan and people need to move on.

TonySpike:
No success is guaranteed even after five films. Do you know why Marvel is still loved? Many teenagers grew up watching Marvel movies in their childhood and some are already adults as we speak. The Marvel momentum was not altered in anyway and it catered for these transitioning demographics. The real issue with DC is the confusion about canceling and rebooting and all that, it makes people lose interest in their projects. No consistency or continuity whatsover. The easiest scapegoat is always to blame Snyder but WB is the biggest issue, for not believing in their projects and being shaky about Box Office cash.

This has always been my point. Very reactionary.
Now imagine it was WB after Iron Man 2 got a divisive critical reception, Hulk, Captain America and Thor didn't make the money they wanted, we surely won't have got what MCU has now. Ant man won't have a sequel, etc.

abduleez1:
Gbam.... You've just said the truth!!

Everyone wants to leave their Legacy print on DC before they leave.

That's certainly been my point this whole time. Why not just complete the continuity? Why divide the fanbase trying to put your own stamp by rewriting something that is already established and already in progression?

Xavier53:
That horse said some are true. That same horse said some are not true while some haven't been decided. Why didn't you consider that also? Or you just want to believe what you want to believe.

Now, for some of those that are true, which of the reports by the media falls under that category? No one knows.
Currently, do you know which of the reports are true or false?

So instead of just running with a narrative that isn't certain, why don't you wait for details from Gunn and Safran by next week or so.


#Xavier
#DCian

How do you know which are true? That some of the reports are true calls for discussion. And that at this stage nothing is decided is worrying alone.
You have audiences from way back 2013, and you are telling them nothing is decided doesn't spark confidence.

Baba,na their story Sha, they can do what they want with it. I have a choice though.

Xavier53:
Shey no be wetin I dey talk be this. DC fans just love to believe all sought of nonsense instead waiting from the horse's mouth


#Xavier
#DCian

Said horse has spoken that there's a truth in some of the story by THR. It's like a I don't want to say yes or no yet but there's a chance it's true.
If it weren't he would have said no outrightly. There's no smoke without flames.

abduleez1:
Lol, funny how some of you get hypocritical when your favourite projects gets turned down.

I thought it's the same you that said "Zaslav's decision to cancel Batgirl doesn't affect the studio in any way. That top creatives will still come, it wAS beLOW PAR". Now the tables have turned, now you're on a path of reason.
Ppl funny for here I swear.

Nevertheless, I don't think Cavill's matter is decided yet. They're still planning and looking how it will work out. Prolly also looking at his age, future stories and how to close the chapter.

It's very simple to conclude the current story. There's a HBO Max platform, complete Ben Affleck's story with a HBO Max 6 episodes story, likewise with Henry Cavill seeing as the audience hasn't really gotten around them. Then finish the whole thing with a Justice league knightmare storyline then reboot everything with a Flash film but this time with a different cast.
You have completed the established continuity. The other films can be written into the new continuity.