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Donjazet2:
Please go out and vote.

Go out and vote for who? They all end up effing up at the end.
That aside, this is a sports thread not the politics section.

abduleez1:
Omo thank God sha.
Can't wait for Stewart.


Thunder suppose visit JJ Abrams sha.

I thought we were better off without it?

Skseries:
what u don't get it u don't get a second chance to make a first impression, if the first time I watch a film I didn't like it enuf to want to watch it again, then why will I?

I saw man of steel again and I kinda understand what story he was trying to tell, but for a first watch I wasn't sold.

BVS I always have to fast forward to the end fight, this is me that love movies from Nolan and the batman

It's okay though. The movie is not for you.

The hierarchy of power in the DC universe is about to change...!

abduleez1:
I still dey wonder wetin dem use all that money do for Black Adam and this news pop out. I first saw it on twitter yesterday but I ignore. Seeing it again today and from THR kinda lending some credence to it they make me vex.
Cos why Walter Hamada go dey make creatives push am around like this, especially when you remember his New Line Cinema background where they are very prudent with their films.
Even Aquaman 2 is $205mn and Pamela Abdy had to call Wan to tell him to reduce reshoots budget.
I'm not even imagining what Flash will cost with all the reshoots and all that. That one smells $250mn a pop.

I agree with this $150mn cap for any big wig character. Then $175mn most for big team up (JL Corps) and JL first film. Mega Sequels after proven box office mettle rarely gets $200mn if it's Batman or JL Level/GL Corp saga.

If na my hand e dey many films no go pass $120mn asides Batman.

Most of the money went to the star I believe, marketing and reshoots. I heard a rumour that part of the reason, the reboot is happening has to do with WBD being in debt and needing to start making money, hence they want to cast actors who would be lesser paid and who don't have to get cuts from the BO I think.
It's just rumor. Heard WBD are $40bill in debt and so far, only The Batman was a profitable movie.

abduleez1:
@ the bolded... Okay oo mister man. We clearly live in alternate universes.

You go just dey argue wetin you no sure of. Snyder himself already confirmed it was Grayson.
So how come I knew the Robin that was killed when the original storyline was Jason Todd?
Or is there only one Robin.

Try understand what I am saying. I know Snyder confirmed it was Grayson but it doesn't mean we wouldn't have seen him in the DCEU at some point. Or that the plan may well as change later on to bring him back to life or whatever. This is a comic book movie world after all.

abduleez1:
Nope. Grayson is dead dead. He was killed by Joker with a crowbar. His costume was literally in BVS.


Still doesn't excuse the fact that she'd fvvk him and still get pregnant with Bruce's son, especially when they were friends. The fvvk. It's a stupid plan and no excuse or mansplaining makes it less stupid.



Umm, what critics say doesn't always dictate the tune of a movie. If a movie is really bad it's bad.
I don't think the movie is that bad but the ramifications of the movie have dire consequences which makes it as a whole a bad film.
Joker for example was faced by many critics lashings and propaganda. But the massive enthusiasm from audiences forced some of them to eat their words. They had no choice than to acknowledge the film and give it it's due.
Another example... The Shining was a critically panned in the 80s when it was released and term so damn bad. In fact Shelley Duvall was nominated for a Razzie award as well as Stanley Kubrick for Worst director. But look at it today, it's a fvvking cult classic and always in top 10 of any reputable All time greatest horror movies list.




Umm, based on the interactions I've had with many Snyder fans online, they very much behave like it.
Doesn't mean I haven't seen moderate and logical fans online. One of the ppl I interact most with on NL is pu7pl3 a Snyder fan. We don't always agree on things Snyder but I respect his opinion. Still that doesn't translate to the majority of self acclaimed Snyder fans I've met online. Cos if there are truly moderate Snyder fans, they surely are the backbenchers and minority. The Stans know themselves.

Dick Grayson was never even mentioned bro, they still could have taken the story anywhere. He still could have showed. Anything could have happened.

From the Snyder fans that I have seen, they aren't toxic or go on ranting rampage or form cults, they basically express their disappointment in the franchise.

pu7pl3:
Why do you keep saying there was nothing like that in BVS?

When in fact it was all over the movie in subtle ways.

abduleez1:
My issue with Snyder's Superman is not really even the death's. It's understandable.
The only major issue I have is Clark watching while his dad died. That's definitely not what the core of the character stands for. I can overlook that but that BVS shithood were Superman had to die, in just the second movie was the last straw.
Person wey we never familiarise with and understand.

Yea, I had problem with Superman dying in BvS and the Martha nonsense.
But Jonathan dying was explained. But I felt they missed out on not showing a sub plot of someone figuring out Clark's secret and blackmailing the Kent's before Jonathan did something to keep them shut. It would have explained better why Clark obeyed and decided to trust Jonathan before the tornado came at him. But they could have made him try to run into the tornado.

Batman killing ain't my problem. My problem is killing Dick Grayson when we have a 20yrs old experienced Dark Knight without even giving us a glimpse of the Robin character. How do you build a franchise that way?

Dude, Grayson could still have showed up and it could have been another story itself. We never knew what really happened nor did we see a body.

We're still gonna spend additional years with Superman being mind-controlled by Darkseid in the future. We're always gonna spend reasonable time with Zack's Supes being evil or an antihero theme if the plan came to fruition.
Another wild plan is having Lois Lane fvvk Bruce and even have a son for him. What was he cooking?
Anyways, the fact remains, BVS is the movie that started the mighty fall of the DCEU and forever scarred general audiences in relation to the brand. Also that stupendous clusterfvck of Suicide Squad and atrocious Josstice League sealed the fate.

You do know that could still happen right? And Darkseid influencing Superman is something that has happened before in the cartoons, as well as Lois Lane dating billionaires like Lex Luthor, Bruce Wayne have been portrayed before in animation and live action.

Someone saying peeps are just following critics words is just talking gibberish and being defensive.
So no one grew up with Superman content over the years? Na this kind of Gaslighting dey cause problems with other people in the first place with this Cult.
I'm not a fan of campy shït or Superheroes but structural issues like this is a big deal.

I wish I was talking gibberish. If Man of Steel was critically acclaimed no one would have found faults in a lot of the things they are nitpicking, trust me.
If Nolan made MOS or BVS, no one would nitpick.
Look at Tenet for example, who is shitting on the movie? But trust me, if it were another director like say Michael Bay or Snyder, people will find faults in every turn.

Critics shape a lot of perceptions. Take Ragnarok for example, many MCU fans think it's a great film because critics said it was.
It may not be with everyone but when someone starts pointing out something that was very much explained in the movie and then saying otherwise, you have to question a lot of things.
Stop shaming the Snyder fans and calling them a cult.
Call these idiots what they are, the toxic fandom.

Nickshrapnel:
I don’t know if it was on this thread but I remember telling someone before BvS that casting an older Bruce Wayne may work for Snyder story, but a universe should never be built on that. Snyderverse should have been an elseworld franchise.

It could have worked. My God, you aren't going to put Bruce Wayne and Batman in 12 films. Give Affleck his trilogy, the JL films and write him off.
No matter who they cast, he wouldn't be in 12 films. So why couldn't an older Bruce Wayne work?
Initially JL 1and2 were to be filmed back to back. An Affleck Batman film was to come out 2018, 2020, a sequel, 2022, JL 3 for instance. So you are saying Ben Affleck can't play Batman well into 2025? Lol.
Even the new Batman or Superman wouldn't appear in 12 solo films. More like cameos, and Ben Affleck couldn't do that?

SMUAG:
I think Some of the guys here need to go to place like quora to learn from guys who know this characters more, and not just thinking that Christopher Reeves' Superman is the only and best way to portray the Boy scout....

Reeve represented the trusting era. If I am to write a Superman script now, I wouldn't make him a Boy scout and of course, I wouldn't make Lex Luthor a villain cause when you sit back, realistically Lex Luthor wouldn't be considered a bad guy if Superman were to exist in the real world. And Clark wouldn't be a boy scout or naive. And that's what I love about the Superman and Lois series.

pu7pl3:
I don't agree with this your post man, that Campy Superman can't cut it in this day and age... nothing wrong with him snapping Zods neck, it was a last resort and you could clearly see how it affected him in BVS.
And there was no reconstruction done on the character, Superman has a kill count in the comics too.

No mind am.
I think most critics on here are basing their own criticism on what the film's critics said.
Please, that boy scout American symbol of propaganda wouldn't work in this age. Unless he is made complex or his villains are made complex and less of villains else you have a totally boring movie. How they wrote Captain America in later films should be how Supes is written. That's why Batman is interesting.
And as for Batman killing, it was really explained. 20 years in Gotham, he lost it.
"20 years in Gotham, how many good guys are left, how many stayed that way" this isn't a man who is optimistic in the system any longer or wanted to do it by the book. He was fighting his demons. I love those stories.

BlackManta:
The snap doesn't bother me, but the aftermath of it all was a big issue for me.

After killing Zod he screamed and felt bad for just 5 minutes.

He moved on like nothing happened.

His feelings after the snap was never addressed in BVS.

We didn't get to see how he felt about black zero event where a few thousand people died in Metropolis.

In fact, in the first 10 minutes of BVS Zack had Superman kill a terrorist by barging him through a couple of walls.

As if that wasn't enough, Zack's Superman threatened to kill Batman after failing to negotiate with him.

Zack Snyder deconstructed Superman even though nobody asked him too.

He completely tore him apart.

The hope and optimism was taken away and replaced with a broody god-like figure.

Dude, get your facts straight. Snyder addressed the terrorist wasn't killed. Before the hearing, Senator Finch realized nobody died at the hands of Superman. Not even the warlord.
Even Clark told Lois "I killed nobody if that's what they are saying"
He never threatened Batman's life, he could have taken him to the authorities and outed him, and he could have done that as Clark Kent.
Superman was very much conflicted in Dawn of Justice. He and Lois weren't even sure what he was doing. He even travelled to Smallville, called his mother and part of it was trauma over killing Zod. It wasn't spoken out but was shown.
In the desert, Jonathan told him the story about the cows who got flooded while he ate his hero cake. It was part of his actions in MOS that brought about his psychological issues leading to his exile.

A lot were cut from BVS, and Snyder did say they were going to explain the black zero event which they did. You want to nitpick, fine but dude, what exactly do you want?

Superman returns, fans had problems with it because of the lack of action. You think if a light-hearted Richard Donner Superman film came out, it will be perfect in this age?

Man of Steel was meant to represent the modern times and Superman in it. It wasn't perfect, Snyder films aren't but before you go hating on the guy, just understand what he wanted to do.

Of course, James Gunn Superman may be the best film since The Dark Knight or Infinity War, but there's also a chance it might end up divisive.

These Snyder fans crap, you all are saying, I hope you do know some non Snyder fans are in bashing the DC films. So before you go on vilifying a group of people, know there are those who love his works and don't go hating on others.

Just hope the reboot goes well than trying to fuel the hate. Else if Gunn ends up in similar boat, you will have a lot of I told you so camps.

The Snyder vision is dead, let's bury it and stop hating or quoting some idiots to stir up hate.

abduleez1:
You know this one na en you dey shout Gunn Gunn since abi.

It's like you don't read my comments. Am not just blaming Gunn but the hierarchy itself.

LiveWithIt:
Now I understand what you're trying to say, I'm actually not seeing anyone as a problem, sometimes those jabs are just for the fun it it...
Really no hard feelings, really I hardly hate on ppl as we re all humans that are so frail.

Seriously tribal hateful comments specifically in the Nigeria we have today aren't for fun, you have no idea how negative it could impact someone else. We are all one seriously just that we say or do things differently

Raalsalghul:
Lol!

Big bro, you still dey these streets? Haha!

Between DC studios and Nigerian government, I know know who clueless pass.

Shebi James Gunn is in charge now and feeling fly? Let's wait and see na.

We all know how it will go.

He'll be given the free reins to work on his projects and maybe release one or two films which likely will bomb seeing as they alienate their fans each day.

He'll be kicked out and another figure brought in who'll put his/her spin on the whole DCEU mess.

As usual, some of us faithful fans will come here happy and start lauding this new head going as far as calling them genius and the best thing that ever happened to the DCEU; we argue, fight, apportion blame to the previous head and how the future will be bright, "again": typical rinse and repeat.

Cc: Tonyspike, SMUAG

You sabi the package jare.
Nothing pain me pass the fact we were so hopeful early on, imagining what could be and being stupid enough to troll a better company who had their house in order.

abduleez1:
Yeah, who made the final decision as if you knew who had the final say in letting Cavill go.
It works both ways bro.

The final decision is made by those with the money or in control of the money. It's like saying Xavi signed Lukaku to Barcelona and shielding Laporta and the board from the blame.

LiveWithIt:
okay are you part of the problem?

My point exactly. Convincing yourself that someone is your problem. Look in the mirror, if hating on a people is what brings you joy then you don't need to look farther.

abduleez1:
Yeah, you could see his wife as Lois Lane. Repeating the same shït Snyder stans be saying online since and then come here to deny Snyder stans bashing Cavill for showcasing Black Adam.
I guess you mistakenly regurgitated the lines of "a few with multiple accounts".

Make na dey suffry dey pretend. You wey talk say you no be Snyder fan one time like that.
The duality of you peeps is eternal. LMFAO.


Anyways, farewell brother. It was quite a ride all these years.

Lol, don't pin my words on any group bro. I hardly log on Twitter to follow some online fanatics. That I said, I base my argument on the reality that we obviously had his wife pop in for a cameo in black Adam that obviously could have used another actress, and the fact that he casted a woman he was dating in a studio project.

If she's cast as another character, it's not far fetched.
Of course I said I wasn't a Snyder fan knowing what you all describe as Snyder fan. And if you have been here earlier on, you would know that there are levels to me being a Snyder fan.

I am not pained that Snyder left, let's clear things out, am pissed because the whole idea of a shared universe of connected DCEU stories was a sham I invested my time in. First and foremost I am a DC fan, then perhaps a Snyder fan, and I don't go trolling or even monitoring troll comments online.

Mhen, to think we really were excited and had high hopes for the DCEU when it started back in 2014.
@raalsalghul, Tonyspike, SMAUG and many others who sadly I can't recall again, were with us from the beginning when this thread was created, what a ride.
Turns out the excitement was all for nothing.

abduleez1:
The real question...

Either he keeps them and become a hypocrite or brings some of them back as new characters.
I could see his wife being the new Lois Lane lol. Na them sabi sha, for what it's worth, it was quite the ride but now, my watch is over.
Now I rest.

abduleez1:
This was one of the sole reason I was bothered by Pamela Abdy and De Luca making DC decisions when they weren't the Studio heads and clearly knew a new chief was incoming sooner than later.

This was the same skepticism I shared with the Constantine 2 decision and shopping out Madame Xanadu and other JL Dark projects.

You knew someone was coming in a few months, then why take major decisions that could be overturned when you aren't sure the new person is on board.

The real question is, who had the final say in the decisions? Just because they made propositions doesn't mean they had the final say. Before anything is announced, the studio heads and board know of it and sanction it.
Saying those people screwed Cavill is wrong considering they didn't have any final say till it was agreed.
Cavill said it, so blaming a bunch of employees make no sense. It's like saying a staff working in a bank goes on to hand employment letter to someone behind the knowledge of the board.
You can get sued lol.

LiveWithIt:
Very typical of Igbo ppl. Developers them

You are the kind that go on convincing yourself that a certain group of people are a problem of yours when in fact the problem stares you in the face.

johnyace:
Snyder fans never supported black Adam, they were even shiting on cavil for returning without Snyder
Guess they were right because Snyder was probably the only one who could guarantee his stay in the DCEU

This is the crap I hate. Snyder fans never wanted him returning or never supported Black Adam, bro you speak like those who generalize a group of people just because of what some idiot on the net with multiple accounts say.

Am a Snyder fan and I was overjoyed to have him back, and I literally looked forward to the black Adam movie but hey, that movie didn't defend itself and to be honest, the DCEU hasn't really defended itself since Aquaman.
Everything has been literally misfires one way or the other, and when a product isn't standing to its defense, you are likely to have nitpicking and the I told you so folks.
No DCEU film has done well both critically and financially since Aquaman. And the management has been one of the main problems of DC.

To think this studio has held on to the flagship of these characters since 1940 and still don't know how to handle them speaks volumes. And to be fair, you really can't blame fans getting angry.

Most people grew up with these characters meaning something, some were passionate about the projects when they were announced in 2014.

To think WB had no idea what they wanted is not really on fans.

AnfieldFan:
This statement was kinda meant to address the earlier plot leaks about her WW3 ...
One thing's certain, if Patty's coming back, it isn't for WW3..

At this point, I don't think anyone attached to the DCEU will be back not even the side characters. If they are then it shows Gunn does not really like Cavill as rumor earlier suggested.

BlackManta:
How many Cavill's fans showed up for Black Adam after all the noise about his return?

Shey the movie flopped?

The movie wasn't about Superman or Cavill. You think people are going to sit around for 2 hours and pay movie tickets just to watch a 5 mins clip lol.

BlackManta:
That cameo is on Dwayne Johnson.

He fought desperately to include Supes in his movie because he knew deep down in his heart that Black Adam is a terrible film that could flop.

He was trying to salvage his film.

Dwayne used Cavill.

And Henry Cavill even went as far as making videos on social media hyping his return, he also attended a talk show and all he talked about was Superman.

I think Henry Cavill was using that opportunity to campaign for himself as well. Because he knew that his future as Superman was in danger.

The more you look the less you see.

That "Superman is back" BS by Henry Cavill was a campaign to save himself, he was begging not to get fired.

Dude Superman is a WB property, and in as much as Cavill refused a cameo in Shazam, him appearing in Black Adam meant there was some form of agreement.
What do you think? That Dwayne Johnson can just do stuff without it being sanctioned? Cavill had a one picture deal and you think if there was no agreement he would have appeared?
Cavill never needed Black Adam to promote himself and as you can see he never actually needed Black Adam.
Yes, Dwayne Johnson needed Cavill but hey, he never used Cavill to promote the movie before its release.
Hence if he wanted to use Cavill to promote the film it would have been stated from the get go lol.
The film tanked with or without Cavill. Am just sad the man ditched one for another.
I hope Disney hires him for the MCU.

This is so going to backfire.

Henry Cavill bids farewell to Superman. Why make him announce his return if they were going to dump him?
James Gunn writing a new Superman movie with a younger cast.
Welcome to a new DCU.

AnfieldFan:
Getting a starting player for 15 m in this market is close to impossible...

Forget the cost first, that boy is good...Very mature and doesn't shirk the defensive responsibilities... Infact, I don't know if I've dropped it here, but I've maintained that for all his creative brilliance, I wouldn't want him if he didn't do the defensive parts and as I'm sure you know if you've watched him, he does...

You can get a starting player for 15m currently. It takes a good scouting system and the manager to trust in the talent. Robertson wasn't up to 15m. Clubs still sign players at 15m and it takes their scouts.
Liverpool na one stupid club sha cause our academy is shit. Either they can't scout good players or they can't develop talents. Our academy products have been really poor and it needs to be fixed like seriously.

IngeniousLeez:
Comic books writing and other literary works don't necessarily translate to like for like success in screenplay.
Screenwriting is way different.

He still has something decent with Stargirl.

Stargirl is decent for television not film.

abduleez1:
They're his stories quite alright. With the hate the man has earn in the last few years it would have come to light by now.
Unless proven otherwise, he's the writer of those stories.

Unless proven otherwise. Or perhaps what he writes doesn't translate to audio visual perfection or brilliance.