Image123:


You have no idea, heaven is real and i want to go there.
What business are you on about? The fact is clear for you to reason instead of hiding behind that finger of yours.

trapQ:


What business of yours is that? You don't believe in JESUS, fine and GOD but making a mockery of his followers is overly silly when infact you are the one heading in the wrong direction- the one of eternal damnation.

You have no business in church so why go there? Besides there was nothing hilarious about that testimony. The strongest most powerful instinct is that of survival.

Xtianity is not by force. We don't go about bombing or forcing our religion on people. We evangelize and you're free to turn a deaf ear.

PastorOluT:


Obviously the msg of the cross is indeed foolishness to them that are perishing!

Image123:


No, not more important. Every child of God is already with Jesus in a sense BTW. Patience is a virtue given us by God, waiting some tiny 100years to go home and stay for over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000years is a luxury we can afford. Stare at the big picture until it sinks.

My point exactly. Being prepared to die, ready to die or wanting to die is not a proof of anything in the context of our discussions. SOME people are prepared, willing and resigned to die. i gave example of SOME Hajj stampede victims and suicide bombers. Some of them are willing and resigned and ready. With the hope that they are going to some place ( false or real )

PastorOluT:


Smile, u dont even understand what u say. Ok going by ur rationale, then they shouldnt have been born on earth at all but in Heaven?

NB The fact that we are born/placed on earth means that there is a purpose for that, Heaven also have its purpose. So all things will continue till its fulfilment, its not just about going to heaven or remaining here on earth. And pat attention to what Image123 said @op!

Image123:


Heaven is for eternity, countless millions of years. Staying on earth a couple extra years is no biggie for those who understand.

Imagiiine that ! Staying on earth a couple of EXTRA YEARS , so thats much more important than to be with Jesus ?

Why rush to NY today and be unable to make any extra cash when you get to New York, when you can work and make extra today and still leave tomorrow. It's supposed to be commonsense!!

My reference to Hajj and suicide bombers is with the angle on some of them's readiness, happiness and preparedness to die. Does their happiness, resignation and readiness make you feel better? Why then and how do some Christians unreadiness disturb you?

This man, none of those who died at Hajj prepare for such , they didnt go to Mecca for the aim of dying .

A suicide bomber is not motivated by the desire to die , what motivates him or her is the Money ! The money is the TOP priority . Not a matter of been happy to die .

Infact , lets assume that a suicide embrace that opportuniy to die , WHY DO U GUYS SHOUT " BLOOD OF JESUS!!" when you meet the opportunities to die in a road accident . Lol , they will even start praying Not to die . " ooooooo jesus pls save us , we dont want to die , your sons must not die , " . Hypocrites .

Image123:


i don't want to believe I'm speaking to one incapable of reading, comprehension and intelligent discussion.
You impart and impact here on earth, not in heaven. The opportunity is just a lifetime.

Some people are happy to die too, like suicide bombers

and some at Hajj.

basille:
Lol. Don't be quick to jump into conclusions.
I don't want to go heaven unless they have Playstation 4, an 8k UHD 60" television, and most importantly free wifi there.

Chai ! Game freak

Image123:


You impart and impact here on earth, not in heaven. The opportunity is just a lifetime. Some people are happy to die too, like suicide bombers and some at Hajj. I'm sure that doesn't convince you either. Give your life to Jesus and enjoy eternal life.

donTbone:


Why did we have to give thanks for waking up to see a new day

Image123:

You impart and impact here on earth, not in heaven. The opportunity is just a lifetime. Some people are happy to die too, like suicide bombers and some at Hajj. I'm sure that doesn't convince you either. Give your life to Jesus and enjoy eternal life.

donTbone:
still don't get the question

basille:
Op i find your question more hilarious than the woman's testimony.
Would you agree to die now and go to heaven?

You should ask yourself that question , but unfortunately you will say NO , its clear you people dont belive what you preach mouth service

OgundeleT:
Some will even be crying whenever they are watching the movie. Hell my foot

paulGrundy:


what i think you dont get is that the soul and body mean the same thing. check out their greek meaning and usage.
The outer circle of our soul refers to our body. Our body is our outer part containing our five senses with which we contact all the things of the physical, material realm.

The middle circle is our sou. Proper. Containing our mind, emotion and will with which we contact all the things of the psychological realm.

paulGrundy:
So far a quick comparison with some of the stuff dolphinheart, jessika and jozy has been spewing is even in jwfacts.com- under watchtowers contradictory interpretations of Daniel and Revelation prophecy. Its very ironic when they label me confused when they are indeed the confused ones.

I will make sure I devote my next set of threads to expose the ridiculous, back and forth stances on this subject.

Tobiee:
No one's going to hell, when we die, we die!

zeusdgrt:
A lady friend of mine got this statement from someone and showed us to ask how authentic it is...girls over to you.

"When a man is crazy about you,pray he doesn't get well,coz when he starts getting well it means another woman is giving him medication"
LWKMD

starlingslimnet:
The Sons of God will be ressurected and the whole creation restored to their Glory.

Jeromejnr:


Young earthling!

Of what benefit or purpose do you drag me into your nugatory debates.

Repent and be made whole again! For your salvation lies before you.

"because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness."

Jeromejnr:


Fool youselft you say!

It will be of great benefit for you to enlighten yourself with the original texts. For thus, the scriptures could be understood in light of the matter.

Acquaint yourself also with the contrasts between an allegory and statement of fact.

For then would your eyes be opened. And wisdom shall be your choice possession.

Image123:


Again, i don't think fish have souls in the sense that humans have. Human life is higher than fish life, and so is death,

except of course you insinuate that taking fish life and taking human life makes no difference.

Image123:


For the record, i didn't disagree with the Bible. Learn to read properly instead of jumping to conclusions.

Image123:

You need help but it seems you don't want help. Ciao.

Jeromejnr:




The spirit makes the soul eternal. Without the spirit the soul expires.

For what is the soul, if not the mind, will and emotions.

Keep fooling yourself

Bible said fish and other animals in the sea are living SOUL , tell us where their soul go when they die ? Or their soul die like that of man ? Ezekiel 18:4

Those sea creatures go nowhere when they die, but become as the dust before the wind.

Man also ReTurN to DUST says Genesis 3:19

The spirit is eternal, what you humans have. Without it, you are as vain as the fish of which you do speak.

Jeromejnr:


What does it matter? earthling.

What profit shall I get, seeing I shall but speak to a cold, stony heart. For indeed the great book said "The meek does He guide into all truth".

For ears they do have, but do not hear and eyes they do have, but do not see.

*Oh! Great and Holy One, that the eyes and ears of her understanding be enlightened"

As a great one once said "The best of the most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched-they must be felt with the heart."

Jeromejnr:


She is blind to the truth.

Oh! That she may become a fool so as to become wise. But rather she has chosen the reverse.

It's pointless debating with the blind. For what shall it profit. Only the great Lord and King has the power. Rather be focused on what God requires of you at the moment. For therein lies your strength.

Image123:


You better get serious instead of boring trials at comedy. i don't think fish have souls in the sense that humans have. Human life is higher than fish life, and so is death, except of course you insinuate. that taking fish life and taking human life makes no difference.

Image123:

i don't take most atheists serious, because most atheists are not serious of course. But following your questions, they seem to be good questions, so you have a partial audience.




Genesis 3 refers not just to physical death but to spiritual death. It said Adam was to die that very day, and he did.




You have a faulty premise on your definition/understanding of "death" which i will come to later.
Isa 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

Note that the word 'FOREVER' is missing in that verse. Even though in a stat of limbo as it were, the dead will not be 'dead' forever.



You err like your colleagues the pharisees, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God. God is omnipresent. A scripture(s) also says/alludes that God lives in us. Do you also say everyone either wicked or bad return to God in US?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.


You my friend are the only confused one here. Everyone knows that the bulk of the events in Revelations is future, you don't even need Holy Spirit to know/perceive that, just good comprehension.



You missed that brother's point by refusing to think on what he said. Go and read it again till you understand what he meant. He's saying dead people don't have the opportunities to change their decisions that can determine their destinies.



The phrase "second death" is found in the Bible. Anyway, death simply and plainly means SEPARATION. i wish that could sink in because it is foundational to your understanding of the issues at hand. So, the context of the death determines the separation of what and from what. For instance, separation of man from God is a kind of death. Separation of body from soul is a kind of death , which is the popular one. Separation of a christian from the world is a kind of death. Again, death is separation, watch your context.

See how you are strugling to twist and turn

The most hilarious is the bold , if death is separation , so when my fish experience death it means its soul is separated from body ? Where will the fish soul go ?