shadeyinka:


Your definition of death isn't my definition of death therefore, you can't impose your definition and expect a response.

I have defined what death is, yours is to refute or concur that definition.

Which means the dead are not alive .

Nobleking2000:


Where was this unconscious spiritual image before it was brought to life .

shadeyinka:



Rev 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


If these people were killed, how come they are alive?

shadeyinka:


What is so difficult in understanding that you are a trinity of a Body, Soul and Spirit!

What is so difficult in understanding what happens to your Body If your Soul and Spirit leave your body?

When Jesus resurrected, was it with a physical body or spiritual body?

If we don't yet have a spirit body as you seem to imply, why did Paul say ....my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. Or why would Elisha tell his servant Gahaz...did not my spirit follow you...

Do you honestly think Paul was saying that resurrection is purely spiritual: How come there is RESURRECTION?




I believe your bias is making you read what doesn't exist.
Where did I say the spirit is the real you?
Thank God we are just on the second page, so it is easy to check and quote exactly what I said.

Your conclusion was based on a false premise dear!

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Even though you quoted the definition of death I posted, you still refuse to understand



To be dead isn't to be Non living:
Are Abraham, Elijah, Lazarus and the rich Man dead?
How come in death, they are still alive.

Jesus even quoted: God is not the God of the Dead but of the living.

KingAfo:

I tell you. These companies ain't loyal. My friend won 1m in 'who wants to be a millionaire' it took her 8months and court for them to give her. #truestory

KingAfo:
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Anybody sabi the guy ? Media publicity!!!
At the end of the day the guy will get 50k max!

shadeyinka:


Since you find it difficult to understand, let me come over it again. In simplistic terms, a man has two external IDENTITIES (Bodies) : a physical body and a spiritual body. His third identity is Internal and that is his Soul/Mind.

In other words, you are A Physical Body, A Spiritual Body and A Soul.

Death isn't annihilation
Death is a disconnection or separation between Your Body, Soul and Spirit.

Godsbillionaire:
This is love in action for The bible says that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him may have eternal life and not die. God God sent his son into the world not to condemn the world but that the world might have repentance than that.

Oh there is none other greater love than that

shadeyinka:


Before you were born, you existed NOT!
You were created when your parents decided to have you. One of the mandate and powers given by God to humans is reproducing spirit beings who are similar to them yet totally INDEPENDENT from them.



A spirit being (which you are) never ever dies . He exists fully either in Physical or Non Physical form. Your spirit is the invisible copy of the physical you. Your Soul/Mind is an intermediary between your Body and Spirit.

Life if completely meaningless if it ends here on earth. You could as well be a Shina-Rambo robbing Banks, Live fast and Die Trying.

However, there is time for everything!
After this time allotted to you, Judgement by the Chief Spirit- GOD.

Time exists only in the physical realm.

Splinz:


Hello Canticles, you're more of a scoffer—ignorant fellow than a teacher. If you're disagreeing with the op's position and wish to enlighten him, there're standards that befits and suits a teacher, which the apostle Paul communicated to Timothy. Here, "And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to everyone, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness..." (2 Timothy 24-25). But regrettably, you're running foul of these instructions by trying to ridicule him, and worse still, also ignorantly & confidently making assertions without understanding either what you're saying or the things about which you assert (1 Timothy 1:6-7).

Now, the crux of the matter. The op has conveniently established that Jesus is the same as God of the old testament, and I absolutely agrees with him because it is simply the truth!



Absolutely yes! Here's the proof: “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they [ancient Israel] drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (I Cor. 10:4). Again, this is one unmistakably proof among many others, that the God the patriarchs served and worshiped was Jesus Christ! What can be plainer than this, or do you still need more proofs?

You can't cheery-pick scriptural verses that seems to suit your belly in this matter, and bluntly ignored the many other verses that runs contrary, examples are (John 1:1-3, 14, Hebrews 1:8-10, 7:3, etc). Ignoring these truths and focusing only on Jesus earthly life breeds contradictions (where there's none), confusion, denial and hypocrisy. Understand that God is not the author of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Now, if you're lacking knowledge of why Jesus needed another God while He was on earth, even though He was God, then humbly ask for it and the answer will be provided. Bye now.

Is your Bible contradicting itself ?

But Act 3 vs 13 says Jesus is just a servant of the God of the old testament , Is the Bible confuse ?

RabbaRabbi:



can you prove how eternal burning is not part of the bible's teaching?

solite3:
Jesus has the power to bring the dead back to life. Didn't you read Isaiah where one of the mission of the messiah is to set the prisoners free? Only God has the power to condemn or to acquaint.

honourhim:


Habakkuk 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction. 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy TONGUE when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?..

Isaiah 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his TONGUE as a devouring fire:

The bible told us that the eyes of God watches over us, his ear hears us, his hand upholds us. Now i ve shown you where it mentioned about his tongue to show you how foolish you are.
he other parts of our body that is not mentioned in relation to him we can't say because we dont know. Keep exhibiting your stupidlty.

I dont know why your foolishness tells you that he who gave us hand, eyes, ears, mouth cannot possess it. You said tongue is part of the flesh, is eyes, ears, mouth, hand possesed by God who is a spirit not part of the flesh ?
It is your stupidlty that makes you feel that the spirit cannot possess these parts in their spiritual body.

frank317:


Can u imagine how he has made a mess of his own thread. Someone claiming to teach us how to overcome fear of hell fire does not even understand anything about it.
I just wonder what God does with his spiritual penis... Lol

He really mess up his thread, very hilarious @ bold .. So true, He doesn't understand a single thing about it lol

honourhim:


Every right thinking person understands that simple biblical statement while fools will always have the kind of understanding u posted here.

frank317:


Loooooool!!! So without tongue, spirit and even your God cannot talk? Do spirits also have intestine to digest their food? Sorry, do spirits go to toilet?

I can't stop laughing here... See tears for my eyes. Sir, abeg does spirit like Amala and goat meat too? Lol

honourhim:


You pretend not to know that God created man in his image. While we have his image but in the flesh, He is a spirit. Keep pretending.

Genesis 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


You dont believe in God, you dont believe in spirits yet you re here arguing with me how a spirit should or should not be. Hypocrisy of Naija atheists.

honourhim:


God is a spirit, he talks to people, he hears prayers, he sees and moves.
Angels are spirit, they talk, hear, sees and moves.
Satan and demons are spirits, they talk, hear, see, move and they can be tormented.

Then when it comes to man and his spirit you start playing games with what a material should possess and what an immaterial should not possess. keep deceiving yourself.

you have failed woefully to tell me how the spirits mentioned above can pronounce words clearly without having a tongue. Why are you dodging this question?

This is the most irrational and illogical post have ever read . I can as well ask you, CAN SOMEONE BE REFFERED TO AS " HE" IF THEY DONT HAVE THE MALE SEX ORGAN ?
Don't dodge it, I just want you to see how sensible you are.

the bolded statement disqualify your god from having tongue. And somewhere in the bible someone said spirit don't have flesh ~ Tongue is pure flesh man . and this same tongue mentioned in that story can taste water . lol god drink water. Very soon you will tell me God eat food

Proof from the bible that god have tongue ? U no get na to dey assume. basically, the pictures in your head about the god u serve must be so humanoid having every part of man including sex organs ( aftrall he is used for him, denoting a male ) god have teeth too , hahahaha am trying to imagine the kind of picture in your head about how god looked like . so pathetic that rational thinking is exchanged when your indoctrination is scrutinized

honourhim:



This is not the issue. You are dodging my question. Here is it again-
Can one pronounce words well without the tongue?

How come the spirit pronounce words clearly since they dont have tongue? Kindly explain to me.

honourhim:


Oh so without the tonegue one SPEAK WELL? Speaking well was what i asked you so drop the vocal cord defence.
Explain to me how one can pronouce words clearly without the tonegue and stop blabbing.
And spirit being immaterial means they dont possess tongue? You are really confused.

honourhim:


I have told you that your spirit is exactly you but not in the physical. Asking me about tongue as if its not part of you makes no sense.

And may be you can explain to me how a spirit (God, angels etc.) can talk well without tongue.

honourhim:


O yeah now you are caught in the web i can see. You are now looking for cheap way of escape. Can you go through my post again then read what you wrote here to yourself and listen to yourself pls? I have clearly shown you that spirits can be tormented but you can keep pretending that you aint seeing it to your own peril. I am not forcing you to believe though

honourhim:


Oh so in your belief a spirit is not supposed to have a tongue. How come the angels speak? They are spirits. God is a spirit, how come he speaks? Satan is a spirit how come he talks and will be tormented with his angels at lasting the lake of fire? The demon that Jesus cast one man screamed and asked Jesus why he has come to torment them. But demons are spirits.

honourhim:



I have given you the difference . You can keep pretending not to understand it at your own peril. I am not begging you to believe. Your spirit appears exactly as you are but the difference is that its not in the physical body . Your spirit is not different from you. It is the real you thats why when it leaves, your body becomes motionless and dead.

touch your tongue , is it Flesh or spirit ? Am not surprised though, too much of watching nollywood video editing of ghosts is clearly seen @ bold

honourhim:


You think your soul is just one shapeless thing different from you? Then you are missing it bigtime. Its exactly you as you are but not in the physical body . Thats just the difference.

honourhim:


You are just trying to confuse things but its not me that you can do that to. I was trying to differentiate to you where body and soul comes into play.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a clear case of the dead sinner being tormented. That is the soul/spirit. The body remains in the grave and decompose to be made alive at the second resurrection for judgment and eternal torment. If you like pretend as if you dont understand the difference i am drawing. My points are clear.
They are tormented in hell fire. The reach man in hell said he is in torment. Jesus said it is a place where there is weeping and gnashing [size=28] of teeth. [/size] At another point he described it as a place of eternal torment.Which destruction is worse than eternal torment anyway?

honourhim:


You are just trying to confuse things but its not me that you can do that to. I was trying to differentiate to you where body and soul comes into play.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a clear case of the dead sinner being tormented. That is the soul/spirit.

Really, that is the soul/spirit ?
But the text said the richman has a tongue and could taste water , . a spirit having a tongue, tongue a body part !


Touch your tongue, is it flesh or spirit ?

The body remains in the grave and decompose to be made alive at the second resurrection for judgment and eternal torment. If you like pretend as if you dont understand the difference i am drawing. My points are clear.