esosuo:
Wat nonsense

ayoku777:


Eph 6v4 -And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

That's Eph 6v4. There's no "God over all" there. Unless you made a mistake in the verse you quoted.

Shalom

ayoku777:


Let me give you this advice. Always use biblical language to interprete biblical words and sentences.

Look through the bible to get an idea of how a word was used in scripture to understand its true interpretation. Not your own opinion of what the word should mean.

When scripture uses the word "ALL", it always excludes and exempts the Father.

For instance, when scripture says;

ALL things were made by him (Jesus)... John 1v3

Does that "ALL" include the Father? Did Jesus make the Father too? Ofcourse not!

The Father begat the Son, so the Son didn't make the Father. The "ALL things" that Jesus made definitely excludes the Father.

Look at this also, when scriptures says;

1Cor 15v27 -For he (the Father) hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. (Words in bracket mine)

When the Father put ALL things under Jesus' feet, did that include Himself? Did the Father put Himself under the feet of Jesus too? Ofcourse not!

The "ALL things" put under Jesus' feet excludes and exempts the Father. And the scriptures made that clear.

1Cor 15v27 -...But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that HE IS EXCEPTED which did put all things under him.

Can you see that?

So when scripture says, Jesus is God over all; that excludes the Father, who is the MostHigh God, and infact the God of Jesus Himself as I showed you earlier.

Jesus is God over all creation and created beings, because He created them all. But the Father is still His God.

Use biblical application and usage of words to interprete the meaning of biblical words and sentences. Not your opinion of what the word should mean. "God over ALL" excludes the Father, who is the MostHigh God.

Shalom

FOLYKAZE:


I think you have made up your mind here. You seriously dont want to listen to the other people argument but only here to ridicule, heat up argument and lash out on the christians.

Ayoku stated that there are many Gods. He could believe in the trinity but I see that as polytheism. He acknowledge that Jesus is God but there is still another God which is supreme. Apostle Paul stated in 1 Cor 8:5 that there are many God both in heaven and earth. Even Jehovah himself acknowledge that there are other Gods.

Now, the problem here lies in the word 'all'. The all there does not mean totality of both the heaven and earth. All there is simply the church or total believers

ayoku777:


What is contradictory about the verses?

All it proves is that Jesus is God, but He also has a God -the Father. And the scriptures clearly attest to this.

See this;

Psalm 45v6 - Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, THY GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Can you see this verses?

One God is anointing another God, and the God anointing is the God of the one being anointed.

The God being anointed is Christ (the anointed one); while the God anointing is the Father.

So Jesus is God but He also has a God -the Father. And Jesus Himself confirmed that.

John 20v17 -...but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend UNTO MY FATHER, and your Father; AND TO MY GOD, and your God.

Rev 3v12 -Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

So Jesus is God, but the Father is also His God.

When the scripture says "Jesus is God over all", that "all" is referring to creation and all created things. It doesn't include the Father.

See this;

1Cor 15v27 -For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him.

The verses you quoted show that Jesus is God, but He also has a God -the Father. And that is made clear in many verses of the scriptures. No contradiction there.

Shalom

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, know what that means,
but seriously doubt, you know, what that means

Yeah, God over the patriarchs and all aforementioned up to and within Rom 9:5

It's you who needs to read 1 Corint 11:3 again,
and if read slow and loud, then you'll realise this barking up the wrong tree

But I want you to realize that Christ LEADS every man, and the man LEADS the woman, and God LEADS Christ, is what 1 Corint 11:3 is saying

God the Father, is the only one not LED by anyone
Christ doesnt LEAD God the Father

Romans 9:5 said Christ, is the head of the patriarchs, the head of the Israelites and believers. He is the head of ALL these previously mentioned. (i.e. Christ LEADS them all)
The head of Christ, however, is God, just as beautifully reaffirmed in 1 Corint 11:3, where it stated that Christ is LED by God

Nah, no, not another Bible contradiction, that's just your ''m.o.''
This is another of your phantom Bible contradictions
and you pursuing a mistaken belief and misguided line of thought that it is another Bible contradiction
Nitpicking, just for mere nitpicking sake, is not healthy

Amberon11:
How many times do we explain this?

I thought you were an atheist. These things to the carnal mind mean nothing. read the first chapter of the book of john.

Amberon:
Op, pls seek knowledge online. This is pure ignorance. The soul and spirit exists.

Avoidhellfire:
Luke 16:19-31
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool [size=25] my tongue, [/size] for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers[b]—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

so mizjanet, does the above bible verse betray its own logic?

hopelink1:
God created hell [s] for anyone who rebel, disobey him , human beings, Satan and his angels inclusive. Yes God is loving, merciful to them that love him but he is also terrible, cruel to disobedient children [/s]

hopelink1:
even if no one tells you about Christ, do you think your deeds Will give you Eternity? You cannot do it alone. My king giveth strength to the weak

hopelink1
This kind of people will be judged according to their deeds

trapQ:
Get this, God isn't the one burning humanity in hell. Humans are the ones burning themselves in hell. God only made hell for the devil and his fallen angels. Humans chose to join them. Going to heaven or hell is a choice. Hod has warned and warned, did signs and wonders, prophecies have fulfilled, yet people don't harken unto him.

God has already given us salvation. it's left to us to claim it. Its no longer his fault if we fail to claim his "free" gift of salvation.

analice107:

Romans 2 :14.
For when the Gentles which have not and know not the law, do by NATURE the things contained in the law, these having not the law, are a law unto themselves.
15. which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness and their thoughts accusing them.


Right now, your conscience is telling you things, you may decide to kill it, but when on ur own, you conscience ministers to you.
When you choose to love Satan and do his biddings, Its a choice you made.

There's no one in this world today, who can say he hasn't heard abt Christ, except those who willingly refused to hear.

You my Friend,have chosen to burn in hell, and so shall it be.

NORAD:


You have all the answers, don't you?

Anyway, any so-called African ancestor of mine or yours who died in sin is languishing in hell as we speak.

Bible says in Gal 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
So anyone who sows idolatry reaps the fruit thereof. Just as a man can be marooned on an island, lost for a long time (for some fault of his) before a rescue party is sent out to find him and save him, so can generations of people be lost for thousands of years before a Saviour is sent to seek then out.

What happened to our fathers/ancestors is not a strange thing. When anyone puts out the only source of true light, then it means he's ready to contend with darkness. (Question: What does the term Dark Ages mean to you?)

What happened to our

Oselumhe:

Well mizjanet Jesus died for our sin,he was killed by during on the cross of calvalry......when someone dies his breathe sizes and nothing in his mortal body stops.......but your soul is immortal remember the bible said fear him not that can only kill your body..........your soul and spirit lives your body after death.....so Jesudied for our sin.....,do you understand

vooks:
No.

frank317:

No... Pls answer my question. What I asked has nothing to do with ordaining... I will repeat my question:
God knew man will fall... Could man not have fallen?

Since God knew man would fall and if man finally hadn't fallen, what would we have said if what God knew? I mean would we have said God "knew" wrongly?
So I ask again, since God already knew man would fall, did man have any other "choice" but to fall? Remember God can't be wrong of what he knows.

Again... What does warning us of what he already knows will happen mean? If he warns us of what he know, does it mean he want us to do what he does not know? Does it make any sense to warn us of what he already knew must come to pass?

Pls just answer my questions above... Don't dodge is by saying I am confusing foreknowledge with ordaining... You can break the questions to parts and answer them directly... Thanks.

ayoku777
If course yes ! God knew man would sin and fall

ayoku777
It wasnt God that let it happen as much as it was Adam that chose to disobey and fall

vooks:

You are confusing FOREKNOWLEDGE and ORDAINING.
God's knowing before hand that Adam would fall does not mean he orchestrated the Fall. That is FOREKNOWLEDGE.
ORDAINING on the other hand is ordering and orchestrating events before hand.

Malvisguy212

For the Holy spirit is present in a bodily form like a dove

johnw74:


mizjan said spirit-pneuma is a thing, she said the Holy Spirit is a thing because pneuma is neuter and described in two verses as "itself"

so as the Father God is also a spirit-pneuma, mizjan would say the Father God is a it, a thing.

but can she admit it yet, or ever?
does she have any understanding at all?
is she a complete dummy?

See the life of a liar

1st statement you said I say Father God is thing .

2nd statement @ UNDERLINED , you changed and said I WOULD say . Just imagine



And to ur question, i base my proves on your bible , is the Father God described as " it" in two verses ? Pls show me those verses

Wait , is he the one addressed as " spirit ITself" at rom 8:16 and rom 8:26 or holyspirit?

Anas09:
Ok Msjane.
Our God is an 'it'.

Can you now dispel the Bees in ur stomach? They'll eat u up and give u Ulcers.

johnw74:



@bold, yea sure no problem







@bold, You say spirit(pneuma) is "neuter" and so not "Him"
and that's why you say the Holy Spirit is "a thing" and not a "Him"
The Father God is also a Spirit, so by your own definition you say the Father God is "a thing" and not a "Him"

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit(pneuma): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Billygee2u:

really?
I honestly need the interpretation of this dream,
all jokes apart,whoever can interpret this dream will be likened as Daniel and Joseph of our time.

KOLZY:
Christians if you want to really make them understand the Holy Bible, use the Quran. i read the quran some many times in school i even started laughing at some books in there.

so you'll know prophet Mohammad did not know how to read or write abi?
guess what, they said the books where written from all he said.
an uneducated man? no wonder.
so Christians stop arguing the things of God with Muslims its relevant. they wont understand the things of God. they just can't

Both you and the mohamedians you are talking about are brainwashed , address the op and stop making noise .

Imagine the holy book calling your god the holy spirit an "IT" , yet you wont belive it .

johnw74:


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.






God the Father, Almighty God Himself, is a Spirit(pneuma), and so like you say off the Holy Spirit, you also say Father God is not "He", but you say Father God is a "thing".
But of course you don't know anything at all of the truth, and how could you, when you believe that the Holy Spirit and the Father God is a thing.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit(pneuma): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Angels are Spirits also, you would say they are things, but like God they are living beings.

Buhahaha , the KJV is now a condemned translation since it doesnt favour you . Lols you and those translations you mentioned are the liars ,. Its good that you guys are condemning your own bible .


Another disgrace to your scholars :

Since the greek word " pneuma" translated spirit is NEUTER , is it gramatically proper to attach a masculine pronoun "HIMself" to somethin NEUTER ? PURE GRAMATICAL BLUNDER and a disgrace to you and your scholars , indeed there is no truth in you

johnw74:

Most Bibles translate those two verses as himself, but you being off the devil, of course search for a wrong translation of the verses.
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.