paulGrundy:


What you are writing has no bearing on what you are accusing me of.

Does speaking against tithing indicate that you have a doctrine? Or is it supposed to be the other way round?

Am sure you didn't read my quote on this thread that doctrine is not a prerequisite for salvation, as long as one believes in Jesus, do charity to the orphans and widows, lives a pure moral life, he will be saved on the last day be him or her Catholic, JW, pentecostal e.t.c.

Do you lack comprehension skills? Or you are in the mood to troll? Or you are atheist-Jehovahs witness?

Which one?

paulGrundy:


[s]
That's one problem with athiest-turning-to-jehovahs witnesses they believe you must belong to a denomination or uphold a doctrinal structure before you can make heaven or their utopian paradise.

They fail to remember that Jesus himself never created a denomination or set of laws or doctrines.

I reapeat or man or group that claims linkage to God or abosolut truth is an [size=18pt]IMPOSTOR![/size].

Have you been baptized already? [/s]

. hope you didnt smoke weed
? because I don't know how the jargons u put up there concern me.

back to the matter, in your response to me, you said you argue against tithing, didnt you ? . and the same you still claim you don't have a doctrine per say , can't you see the contradiction in your statements ? this is where I have problem with you, cos you are double tongued and an insincere fellow

More :

you also said you attend a Church
that's open to other denominations, but yet argue against tithing which many of these denominations uphold, how can peace reign ! if u are truly open to other denominations , why attack tithing which they practised ? its either u are a liar or a confused fellow that's not meant to be taken serious

brocab:
If you are going to quote the scriptures at least read the verses rightly {Mark 16:17-19} These signs will accompany those who have believed, In My name they will cast out demons, they will speak in new tongues, they will pick up servants, and if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them, and they will lay hands on the sick and they will get well. So then when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them He was taken up into heaven.

Yep, I have cast out demons, I speak in new tongues, I have pick up shakes , alcohol can be classed as a deadly poison, yes I have laid hands on the sick, and seen some instant healing. Prove me and the bible wrong?

shakes , churchman who ask you to pick shakes . I said snakes not shakes or u need glasses ?

paulGrundy:


This quote remains me of how the pastor of my local parish barred me from giving talks on the pulpilt, because I argued effectively citing scriptures against tithing.
I don't know why you have a problem with Hell, but bear in mind that the ungodly and all those who reject God MUST face judgement.

paulGrundy:


I don't have any particular doctrine per say, but let's say I tend towards protestant evangelicals.

Paulgrundy
I attend a church that upholds sola scriptural, but that is open to other denominations.

idi0t , many denominations of Christianity embrace tithing, how then can you be open to other denominations when u argue against their most cherished doctrine? , double tongue man

you are just a comic artist , not meant to be taken serious.

brocab:
Yeh right! Where do you start?

brocab:
{John 1:2-15} Do not love the world or anything in the world, If anyone loves the world the love of the Father is not in them.
Do you bring people to Christ baptising them in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit?
Do you rise the dead?
Do you lay hands on the sick?
Do the blind now see?
[color=#000099]Do you speak the truth about Christ, "Or do you speak the truth about kingdom hall?
{John 14:6-10} I Am the way the truth and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through Me, If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. From now on you do know Him and Have seen Him... Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father, I Am in the Father and the Father is in Me.

paulGrundy:


Am sure you don't know she is an Atheist
.

churchman, who ask for your opinion ? with thier stance on hellfire and tithe . take it or leave it they are by far better than you.

funny enough, u Will never dare discuss this hellfire stuff with me ... I can thrash you and your pastors using ur own holy book . an atheist knows much than you . shame

skeendyke:
MizJanet, there's a physical body and there's a spiritual body. The physical body dies and decomposes but the spiritual body lives forever.

Christ was not talking about the physical body being thrown into hell. [size=28] He was talking about the soul in an unregenerated spiritual body being cast into hell [/size] .

this bobo , must u lie ?
so na spiritual body get the eye men dey use lust after ladies , eh ?


Matthew 5:30 International Standard Version (ISV)
And if [size=28] your right hand [/size]
causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away from you. It is better for you to lose one of your body parts
than to have your whole body go into hell.”

he made reference to BODY PARTS e.g eyes, your right hands, then which body is he talking about ? talk true

Emusan:


You're still living in your delusion.

You called it gibberish but said tongues to be a language then tell me, how many languages do you think we have in Nigeria talk less of the whole world?

How do you know that what the person is saying, isn't some people languages just because it isn't a common languages like German, French, Portuguese, Spanish e.t.c? in my village alone we have FOUR different languages.

I cannot laugh oooooo , which part of the world is abracadabra spoken ? which tribe ?

Emusan:


Neither Apostle Paul nor me is confused here but only the person who couldn't grab the message the blessed Apostle is conveying.



Then you will need to understand that there's different between SPEAKING IN TONGUES to pass message to the congregation AND SPEAKING IN TONGUES by oneself in communicating with God. Which the blessed Apostle had thoroughly explained.

If I may ask,what happened on the day of Pentecost; were ALL THE PEOPLE speaking in tongues delivering message to themselves or they were just speaking in tongues, is there any interpreter that day or they only communicate with their God?



Not ALL SPEAKING IN TONGUES need interpretation UNLESS GOD wants to pass message to the congregation through speaking in tongue, you can be praying by speaking in tongues, does that need interpreter too?

That's why if you read Apostle Paul details about speaking in tongues it dualistic 1. Using speaking in tongues to communicate to God personally & 2. God passing a message to the congregation through that medium which needs INTERPRETER but you people confused the two together.

Go back and read that 1 Corin 14:2 slowly this time.

finofaya:
I hear there are people that can even sing in tongues. Like, take your average hymn and sing it in tongues. Frankly something like that would be wonderful to behold. Forget speaking in tongues.

Emusan:


This is my reply to someone's post above which is a gross misunderstanding of what actually happened on the day of Pentecost.

This is the main part you people always miss, everybody was hearing them in their OWN NATIVE language [size=14pt]AS The Spirit gave them the utterance.[/size] You people always miss the fact that it was HOW & WHAT The Holy Spirit wants them to speak THAT they will speak, it's not a PATTERN forever and this is an evident that The Holy Spirit has A WILL.



Does it come to your understanding that what Apostle Paul was talking about there, is passing a message to the congregation?

Infact Apostle Paul said "For he that speaketh in an UNKNOWN TONGUES speaketh not unto men, but unto God: [size=14pt]for NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM;[/size] howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1Corin 14:2

Things to notice here:
1. The language is an UNKNOWN TONGUES
2. The speaker speaks not UNTO MEN but God
3. NO MAN UNDERSTANDS the speaker but you people ALWAYS PROVE that the speaker supposed to be understood every time).

My emphasis is on point 3 'NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM' please if what happened on the day of Pentecost is a PATTERN everyone speaking in tongues must follow why would Apostle Paul here say again that NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM?

Remember, everyone (ALL MEN) in that place understood what the Apostles were saying as you stated in your post.

Emusan:


This is my reply to someone's post above which is a gross misunderstanding of what actually happened on the day of Pentecost.

This is the main part you people always miss, everybody was hearing them in their OWN NATIVE language [size=14pt]AS The Spirit gave them the utterance.[/size] You people always miss the fact that it was HOW & WHAT The Holy Spirit wants them to speak THAT they will speak, it's not a PATTERN forever and this is an evident that The Holy Spirit has A WILL.



Does it come to your understanding that what Apostle Paul was talking about there, is passing a message to the congregation?

Infact Apostle Paul said "For he that speaketh in an UNKNOWN TONGUES speaketh not unto men, but unto God: [size=14pt]for NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM;[/size] howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1Corin 14:2

Things to notice here:
1. The language is an UNKNOWN TONGUES
2. The speaker speaks not UNTO MEN but God
3. NO MAN UNDERSTANDS the speaker but you people ALWAYS PROVE that the speaker supposed to be understood every time).

My emphasis is on point 3 'NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM' please if what happened on the day of Pentecost is a PATTERN everyone speaking in tongues must follow why would Apostle Paul here say again that NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM?

Remember, everyone (ALL MEN) in that place understood what the Apostles were saying as you stated in your post.

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prayer on my mind which is God please let me sit
near a person that knows book,cus the stupid boy
I told to send me the answers on my phone looks
like who doesn't have sense. God finally answered
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sure that she know book wella.As d paper
started,dis girl started to misbehave o.She was
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me,but I just ignored her,since i had almost finish
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answer,i sighed & then told the invigilator to give
Me a fresh answer booklet. I then tore the one that I copied from the albino girl &used the paper
to stone Her.I kept the fresh booklet on my table
& used 1 style to open the message,i saw "To
download omo abulesowo by Olamide, text 48 to
4900 - From Mtn". Don't laugh alone..

promise101:

Yea, of course! It is a foolishness to foolish people like you!

use your brain, its not for decoration

an immaterial soul holding a pen and paper to write a letter to his earthly friend, is it lucky or leo smart .... soulish pen and immaterial paper.


am bewildered at how religion adopt lies to lure converts .

i hail oooo , LAN liars association of Nigeria

solite3:
wat u guys don't understand is that there is physical life(biological life) and there is spiritual life(eternal life),the source of spiritual life is God.when a man sins he dies spiritually( d soul that sinneth shall die) even before he dies physically. God told Adam "THE DAY U EAT OF THE FRUIT U SHALL DIE" pls notice he said DAT same day not d next day or after many years.someone might say but he did not die dat day,yes physically but spiritually yes he died. spiritual death gave rise to physical death.what then is spiritual death? in one sentence, spiritual death means to be cut off from God d source of true life.when a man finally dies physically without God's life in him, he becomes useless n then cast into HELL read Jhn15

solite3:
matt5:29-30 And if thy right eye offend thee, cut it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy should be cast into hell
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish,and not that thy members should be cast into hell.

malvisguy212:
Go and read my post again .I said the human soul is immortal, BUT this immortality can only be achieved when you believe in jesus.

Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT SURLY DIE:

So satan was right when he say to the woman "you shall not die"? So man gain immortality through disobedient ?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,that whose believeth in him,
should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The verse say "who so ever believe in him shall not perish" this imply that eternal life is NOT what you are born with.

really ? @ bold

hindu, Buddhist, muslims, taoist and others who dont belive in Jesus have mortal souls abi ?

dont they have the same biological make up with you ?

Scholar8200:



48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:48

It says the Fire will not be quenched-Everlasting (Doctoralien take note). And that their worm dieth not (immortality). What then becomes of those cast there? What will the worms be acting on?

Scholar8200:
what's the point asking question from a brainwashed fanatic? Seek answers from the level-headed folks.

Scholar8200:

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, ino the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:43,44

Besides, what meaneth thee by total destruction?

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:10

analice107:

My joy is that, you have seen that you will go to hellfire if you don't repent. It's not important which part of you goes, you will go there if you remain a reprobate.

analice107

Hey witch, [b] if you go through what I posted. It's the Bible, I didn't write the Bible.
[\b] You think you will escape? Oh Witch, you won't, except you repent.

If you don't repent you will end up there, whether it's your spirit, your soul or your body which will burn, facts is, you Witch will burn. Call me whatever you like. You will burn. Daughter of serpent.

MizJanet:

why dont pastors preach this verse ? lol , the average churchman has been brainwashed to belive he gat a duplicate life , a soul form that goes to either heaven or hell after he died, ask such ones , what happen to their body after death ? they tell you it decompose . but the below is something that uv never been told or never given a second thought


Matthew 5:29
If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.



YOUR WHOLE BODY go to hellfire ? not just a made up soul

the question is: how many human body have you seen disappearing to hellfire?

analice107:

Now I see why you are an atheist or a Jw. You don't understand.
The body which will go either to heaven or hellfire is not this very body we have now. That body will be indestructible. Consider the scene when Mouse encountered Yahweh for the first time. The Bush was burning, but it wasn't getting consumed. That's how it's going to be.
Young man if you have all along thought it's with this body you would go to hellfire with, then indeed God is a fool as you consider him to be.
Do you remember that hellfire was originally meant for Satan and his demons? Do they have flesh like you and I? How are they going to be tormented in hellfire if the torment is going to be to the flesh?
Man is triune in nature dear. He is primarily a spirit, who has a soul (consciousness) and lives in a house(the body or flesh). The soul of a man is attached to his spirit, not to his body.
My dear, I have spent too much time on this issue. Just be sure of this one thing. There's hellfire and anyone who rejects the love God to us through Christ, have rejected life eternal, so will spend it with Satan. remember Satan is not the master over hellfire. He didn't create it. He hasn't been there himself, not yet. When the time comes, all of you shall be thrown down there. Him and you all will burn equally.

esosuo:

No oh wen all I can only see people dat looks like dey praying for their football team to win and the op tags it pastor and babalawo without any babalawo on site and it makes front page I just can't help but want to discuss with mod