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davidnazee:
I don't feel good about anybody or race being enslaved.. Its you Yorubas that dragged the Edos into this fight and like the warriors that we are, we are obligated to defend our honour and heritage..
If you started following this thread you will see that the Yorubas twisted an ordinary thank you visit by my our Great Oba to mean HE was paying homage.. Do you expect us to sit back and take that insult and lie?? We were not born that way.
So I am just reminding the Yorubas their place in history and that this Edo they are trying to trash was once their rulers, but all that is in the past..

In real life I have Edo friends.

In real life you have Yoruba friends.

Let us move on brother..

All of us here from both sides of the tussle, have something in common

We, unlike the majority of our countrymen, have knowledge of history and national pride

All these things you know about history, where you self taught?

steveosaz:
While I cannot disagree with what you've said here, it's imperative to understand that this thread was originally started to deride the Edos.

The yorubas were obviously harboring some sinister motives when they immediatelye after this post was made began peddling outright falsehood about the purpose of the Oba's visit to the Ooni. Both parties spoke and acknowledged that the visit was purely on a courtesy basis meant to entrench greater love and cooperation between the two groups, but to the surprise of many, the Yoruba were everywhere including Herr claiming the Oba went to complete his coronation-thats an insult and such insult cannot be left to just cool off at least for posterity's sake. Meanwhile it was repeatedly pointed out to the yorubas that the Oba had a tradition of visiting fellow monarchs of his stature after ascending the throne and in this case, Oba Ewuare actually began by visiting the president, then the Sultan, some other smaller monarchs and then the ooni. But strangely, only the visit to the ooni elicited unnnecessary commentary. This is purely mischief. Edos ordinarily don't tell Yoruba story or that of other groups, we believe everyone should tell their story however they please, but when these incursions by yorubas into Edo hisyis becoming a hobby for them, then, the records must be set straight, no matter what and at any cost.

I appreciate that you took the time to reason with me.

I had said some silly things to you in the past.

I take them all back.

I wish you nothing but peace and goodwill in your future sojourns.

I also apologize to all people of Edo descent. I made some unguided statements on this thread.

I have great admiration for what the Benin Kingdom accomplished.

davidnazee:
My friend your pain is understood.. Keep venting it out.. But please how does it feel knowing that your ancestors where ruled for 500yrs by the Edo people? I will like to know how it feels because I don;t know that feeling..
Chai!! 500yrs.. and like Kanye West said, I think it was a choice by the Yorubas to be ruled for 500yrs, I guess thats why they easily accepted Ekhaladeran to take up the Ife throne..

David, would you really feel good knowing you enslaved the men and women of another culture?

You truly wouldn't feel good at that, don't lie

I think you are just a man who has a deep love and reverence for his Edo ancestors and you would not tolerate anyone denigrating your heritage

We in the Yoruba camp are thesame.. so there will be no end to the supremacy tussle

I, though I am out of this online d.ick measurement

Peace to you and yours

BabaRamota1980:
You have not heard one word of denigration from my post. In fact when they throw a dart I dodge it and i respond back with facts. Example.....Ogiso Owodo for a fact is a dimwit.

There are many ways to win an argument. Use of saucy and denigrating words is not one of them.

Yea

At the end of the day people come on social media and say things they cannot in real life

Makes you feel like a big man cos you can say stuff online

I do regret being dragged into the dog fight

I would say though that I am pleased to meet Nigerian historians

It is an encouragement

davidnazee:
A picture of Saraki paying homage doesn't change anything.. at best its just damage control.. Your Oni (a slave descendant) already made a fool of himself.. but however what else will a slave know rather than to always bow because submission is synonymous with slaves.. Its in his DNA to bow.. Your cannot take the slave from him..

We have tried to denigrate each other for weeks

I am tired of the online tirade..

I did allow my emotions to get the better of me

Call it weakness man, but I call it reality

I have Edo people that are my brothers in real life so I will not continue to insult you david

Peace

You guys have friends from both cultures.

I am ending this thread thesame way it was started

Peace

If you study Benin, there was Might, and there was Weakness

Same with Yoruba

Because humans are both strong and weak

Even the British were once a barbarian peoples when compared with the Romans

It is the future that matters

I will honour the contributors to this thread, because African History is not taught in Nigerian Schools

For you guys to know this much, you had to self educate

All of you, both Yoruba and Edo are men of stature

You are the kind of people I associate with

I have hereby halted all hostilities

All the insults end here online..

I was on an Air peace flight last week

Benin man on my left, Benin man on my right

It was all love

We were talking about Nigerian domination of the african entertainment scene

I do want the trajectory of this thread to change for the better

Are we going to argue back and forth forever?

I am sure the Edo peeps here have some respect toward Yoruba Heritage

and I am sure the Yorubas same

At the end of the day, no one really hates the other african culture

Me, personally, I do not

If you track my posting on this thread, I was originally benevolent towards Edo people

But they rejected my show of peace and were arrogant and dismissive towards my heritage

At the end of the day however, I am not what I potray here on this thread

EdoNation:
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You are just a jobless bastard with no class , thank god you av exposed your owo mi da lifestyle .... Like mother like son ... Har.lot blood

Money is not everything in life

You that is rich, fire down madam, more grace to your elbow!

EdoNation:
Your Har.lot Mama

May oba's curse fall on you and your dirty mother in Italy LOL

EdoNation:
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If I marry osaz or not is not your biz , jealous Yoruba mofo, hot stinky ewedu soup fall on you there and ur had.lot mother

Go away, you dirty biaatch

EdoNation:
Go and collect your mothers puzzy receipt from the meat and groundnut sellers in your street . .. After she dies don't bury her with the puzzy ooo cuz it does not belong to your papa .... Give it to the meat sellers

Oba don swear for una wey dey Italy oh!

Better come back to Edo and live a responsible life

you can even marry steveosaz

Steve go say tufia!

EdoNation:
Have you mined the skull of your 8yrs relative yet for rituals ? ... Jobless Yoruba BA's.tard born of a who.re ..... Product of your mothers excapade with the meat seller down your street

Lol you wish

Your old p.usssy is stinking the place up

Go away abeg

EdoNation:
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Your mother and all the women in your caused yoobaa leanage are bastard har.lots and who.res !! Dirty ewedu eating Baz.tards

It is *Cursed and *Lineage, you i.diot

My 8 year old niece spells more correctly than you

Anyway, you are a public sex worker based in italy, I cannot expect any better from you

EdoNation:
It is your useless yoo.baa mother that is a wh.ore ..... Useless basta.rd of a million father's

Okay

Well, both you and your mother are w.hores

In fact it was your mother that sent you to italy

bye-bye

I don't talk to h.arlots

alan056:
Watch your mouth....I dont know what personal difference you have with Oonirisa but NOBODY talks to/about a kabiesi in this manner.....A word is enough for the wise

We cannot do much to that woman for now

the w.hore is based in italy

steveosaz:
Just as yo-ROBBER are reputed for armed robberies and yahoo yahoo abi?

Guy, you are gloriless. Tell yourselves the truth, the rot in Edo nation is nothing compared to that in yo-ROBBER land. To make it worse, you people even degrade yourselves by kowtowing to your largely illiterate Fulani overlords.

Americans don't deny their country, neither do Europeans and same for Israelis. But yo-ROBBER bastards are littered all over the north denying their Yoruba origin, repudiating their Yoruba ancestry and culture and adorning that of a more superior state-the Hausa/Fulani state. Even in your lands, strangers have been ruling you. Lam Adeshina of Oyo was Igbirra, Same with Olusegun Mimiko of Ondo, all Igbirra ruling you people and you aren't even ashamed of yourselves.

Why would anyone want to be Yoruba when even the children of the house are running away and denying it.

from a reputable kingdom to 3rd in the south south behind ijaw and urhobo

go and salvage your worthless civilization

steveosaz:
just as yo-ROBBER are known for eating ewedu soup, that's how adultery is an inseparable partner of Thiers. Even your married women are in the habit of keeping multiple sex partners. Yo-ROBBER women are the only ones in the whole world who could have seven children for seven different men. Your men recklessly joke about their adulterous escapades openly.

Do something about your internal re colonization by the Fulani and leave trash for LAWMA.

Edo women sell their daughters through prostitution rings in Italy

Yet you claim you are a great people

My guy, the state of your people should be your concern, forget about others!

BabaRamota1980:
So I want to remind us all that the bottom line of all this is the hoax used centuries ago to pacify Igodomigodo and impose a foreigner over them to rule and give civilization to the barbaric uncivilized Edo society.

That hoax is Ekaladheran, a condemned fugitive that superstitious claimed became king in Ife and changed his identity to Izoduwa, Omoduwa, Oduduwa and all kind of .....duwas.

We need to revisit Ekaladeran. If you all recall I said in my previous analysis that there was more to come to further demystify the superstition and remove the remaining fear from the minds of these Edos.


Do you all recall that not long ago Edo chiefs brought out some otumokpo and displayed it publicly with chants and claims that those enslaving Edo women into prostitution locally and abroad and the girls that partivipate in the trade will meet with tragedy if they did not desist immediately?

According to them the last time the fetish came out was 400yrs ago.
I wonder when was last time before that...and the time before that....

But the point is that Edo has a deep practice in witchcraft and they believe completely in its power to manifest.

So Im thinking to myself, as dumb and outlandishly twisted as the Ekaladheran story is, why would the people be so stuck on it in the face of its rejection by scholars around the world? Then I thought about this otumokpo they brought out recently.

Is it possible the Edo society are acting under fear of questioning the authencity of Ekaladheran, and risk the curse of this otumokpo manifesting in their life?

This is my theory and it might sound funny at first untill you hear the rest of the Ekaladheran saga.


So lets share some more....


I want first to build a background against which I will dramatize the impracticality of an Ekaladheran even stepping foot in Ile Ife, much more being celebrated there as a king.


1 - Edo warriors, we are told, demolished any kingdom or people in their way. They ruled the entire coast East and West of Bight of Benin all the way to Ghana. They conquered all their neighbors...including Yoruba.

2 - Igala fought two wars with Bini. The first they defeated Bini, entered the Oba palace and seized his mask which they carried back with them to Idah. It remains in their possession till today, symbolic of their defeat over Edoland.

On their second war, Edo sent fresh young girls into the Igala warrior camp purposely to be defiled. Their goal being to pacify the Igalas to rethink their invasion and return back to Idah. The Igalas used the girls and then invaded Edo. Overpowered, they sent SOS to Portuguese for assistance. The Portuguese defeated Igala soldiers. Those Igala soldiers did not return home to Idah. They could not take back a message of defeat to their King. So they settled on the outskirts of Northern Edo in Ibaji area, located in Kogi today.


As pertains to Ekaladheran, we are told that he at one time was resident in Ughoton under concealed identity. An Edo chief happened to spot him and took the discovery back to the dimwit Ogiso father. The father sent out messenger to go tell him to return to Igodomigodo. Ekaladheran refused to go with the messenger. So Ogiso dispatched armies to go to Ughoton and forcefully bring him back. It is said that Ekaladheran and the Chiefs of Ughoton had dug trenches to swallow the Igodo Army. They perished and fearing for his life he left Ughoton and went on in his journey.

STOP!

Igodomigodo Army that is a formidable force along thousands of miles of coastal lands from Bight of Biafra to Slave Coast in Ghana, defeated by one small village?

Aaaah!!

Kings of old had a protocol for conducting warfare. A defeated King goes on exile or commits suicide. Soldiers retain honor by dying at the warfront or never return home.

This freak Ogiso's Army was defeated in Ughoton and he remaind on throne. Where is his honor?

Oohh, almost forgot its Owodo...his queen already spent his honor in the bush, with chiefs.

We are told Ekaladheran headed to Ife and changed name to Oduduwa and then became King. He had many children in Ife. One of his children was Oranmiyan.

Who are the rest?

Oranmiyan returned to his father's homeland in Igodomigodo which he renamed Ile Ibinu. The Edos have retained the story of Ekaladheran and Oranmiyan since.

None of the other supposed children of Ekaladheran recall anyone in their ancestral line fitting the profile of Ekaladheran, whether before or after the claimed name rebranding.

As we know, Yoruba's Oduduwa is the son of Lamurudu.

Ancient Yoruba's root is interlinked with these people, Baruba (Borgu), Babur(Kanuri)... all have same traditional marks and facial features.

Igodomigodo has never featured as a root for Oduduwa at anytime in history.

So the other children,the brothers and sisters of Oranmiyan do not recollect of an Ekaledheran or an Ogiso background, nor an igodomigodo in their ancestry. This claim is limited only to those who Oranmiyan civilized in Edo.

In fact Oranmiyan returned to found Oyo...and even Oyo has never heard of an Ekaladheran in its ancestral lineage, orally or literally.


What is unique about Yoruba Obas is oriki. In addition to it they also have totem.

The Ogisos have no totem, nor oriki.

If Ekaladheran was a founding father in Ife, he would have been given an oriki, a totem...while alive, and after death would have been immortalized with a shrine or even deified. There is not a single shrine or praise song for Ekaladheran in Yorubaland.


Edos told us where he was born and where ended up becoming King but we havent heard if he died and where he died at and was buried.


So I must ask this of Edos...

Where is Ekaladheran buried? Is his head at Orun Oba Ado's crypt?

I need answer.

You just conquered Edo lies with archaeology and logic

You taught me things I never knew

I say this with no evil intent but

Edo people are a shameless tribe

steveosaz:
I'm sure, all the ashewos and oloshos in lagos including the ones in your village are from Benin. Who doesn't know Yoruba and adultery.

Let’s Forget the w.hore s.hit little edo man, The whole world already knows about the s.luts of edo

davidnazee:
Please you this stupid black man that says yorubas are the moors that conquered spain and are the ones that built Egypts pyramids, I prefer we keep our arguments on Edo-Yoruba superiority.. I'm a man that respects women, don't drag me down that foolish path.. leave women out of it.

Yet you don’t respect your own wife

Elder, it is late

Go and sleep

davidnazee:
and your married mothers are busy cheating on their lazy husbands abi..
Yoruba is leading in adulterous women na.. it is documented as well..

Even if what you say is true, village elder

That is more honourable

Why did you send your wife to be a w.hore in Italy ?

You Benin men have no honour

steveosaz:
You get time well well. These people are not here to learn. No matter how strong the points you give them, they'll never take it. It's just their nature. Its an aberration to see a straightforward Yoruba man, they are trivial and tactless set of people. See the disjointed and chequered history they are all just coming up with. I know them very well, na their way. The only thing you owe them is never to accept their crappy bulldung. They are all manufacturers of history.

Their only friend in this country today is the Fulani and that's because the Fulani has married them as f#@ks their dirty asses real gud all the time. Every other group is wary and highly suspicious of them. Yet still, there is no one the Fulanis have dealt with up to how they've pummeled these Yoruba people.

When it comes to being uncoordinatedly loud, they unarguably come first their. I say it again, go to hausaland and see armies of Yoruba people(I mean ex Yoruba people) who have totally renounced anything Yoruba including their name and have become Hausa.
Those are the same people that are here talking like the very fools they are.

They brought together so many nationalities and spun their manufactured tales to these people asking them to claim ile ife as their origin, meanwhile, most of these people are independent and have nothing to do with oduduwa and were only victims of cultural assimilation that the entire Yoruba race is facing today in the hands of Hausa Fulani.

Yoruba people go home and save your burning house, Fulani is doing silent jihad against you people. That's where your attention should be.

Steven I concede you are right

Benin people are loved by all

Because Your sister receive all the earthly s.perms

samuk:
Really? Is this all you have to say, the guy warned you guys before he unleashed and now you should thank him for the education because it takes efforts to do proper research not the kind you guys manufacture on the go.

For some reason your name looks like “wasted sperm” to me

Anyway

Na that David guy is an elder, from Benin village

Are you also from the village ?

davidnazee:
mugu mugu... because I'm telling the truth and tormenting u now u think I'm in a village.. well my Benin village dey sweet me.

Thank God you know say Benin na village

Kudos !

davidnazee:
make you enjoy this one.. Just got it from my research..

"Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).
With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market.

Immigrants into Ekiti also included traders, soldiers, administrators and their dependants from Benin. These colonists set up farm in the forest straddling the Akure-Idanre border and occupied what is now called the Ọgbọn Ado (Edo quarter) of Ado-Ekiti. Similarly slaves captured by the Benin from some Ado villages and some refugees were settled at Ikere where they established Ogotun, Afao, Are, Iluomoba and Agbado quarters, all named after their previous towns."

David i don’t think you’ve ever ventured out of Benin village in your whole life

You are an elder from Benin village who has nothing better to do with his life

The Edos are still getting beat down

The yorubas have displayed scholarship on this thread

I think it’s time to retire this thread

Edo was irrelevant then

Edo is irrelevant now

Ain’t no one in the diaspora claiming Edo descent

Ain’t no Edo sons or daughters with international accomplishment.. well except for international w.horing

I would be ashamed too if my mothers were the most popular d.icksuckers on earth

Well, that’s what happened to tee billz, so I believe him

This is nice

I hope they paint the buses red, people are used to red already

Whether in Nigeria or out of Nigeria, Edo people can never be on our level

Edo is beneath Yoruba in everything

That is the cold and harsh truth.

davidnazee:
You are a disgrace..

Your w.hore mother is a disgrace