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My brothers who mentioned the Igbo

The igbo are a holy people

The igbo and yoruba were taken in chains as slaves as predicted by the most high in deuteronomy

Have you ever heard of any black american or carribean person claiming benin descent??

Benin people are not from the most high God

We are hebrews and we need to stick to our brothers only

know your enemies my people

The fulani are also a hebrew tribe

They are our brethren

Our king defeated the italians (Mussolini) in the battle of adowa 2

The only african country not colonized

Ethiopia

King Haille Selassie Qadamawi Most high of israel

Benin are a gentile nation, people who sacrifice human beings

Come out of her my people

davidnazee:
So Yorubas are the moors that conquered Spain and also built the pyramids??
You even gave your commander a Fulani name to show that you are forever subjects of the Fulanis.
You moorish is a disgrace to moneywoman, Olu, YOruba and other Yorubas on this forum.

My mum is from the hausa/fulani tribe so I can claim that too

And my dad is a bonafide son of Oyo

Your words have no effect on me

prolog2:
One yoruba quoting an other yoruba trashing Edo.
What is the point which you are trying to make ? where are the historical documents which led your guy to claim these claims ?
If you are not aware, 1877 and 1969 are almost one hundred years appart.
You guys are just too daft, you want to serve us your own propaganda and have us believe it.
It is not as if the yoruba were already trying to rewrite Edo history in 1969 ?!
slowpoke !
It is funny that the things which are claimed by your yoruba brither in 1969 weren't noticed by europeans in 1877.
Out of a sudden, akintoye is supposed to have found out around 100 years later while those who witnessed that period of time never noticed this. This is why nobody takes yoruba "historians seriously". They are mere revisionists trying to rewrite yoruba into glory.



And the fool proudly puts the yoruba name of the author and the year (1969). What a morron.

You call my most adept brother a m.oron, yet you cannot spell the word correctly

You seem like the m.oron to me

prolog2:
You make a claim and I should "research it myself". Because you are some sort of genius who has proven himself and I have time to spend researching your own claim ?
What a morron you are !
Prove your claim yourself or shut the hell up.

Our forefathers did not write stuff down

We communicated with our drums

You did with your arts

I feel like in your heart there is something troubling you

If you presented unequivocal facts, I would accept

I used to think Benin birthed Yoruba Kingship

But since entering this thread and further research, I have now concluded we in fact birthed you

You had an absolutist monarchy that was not balanced against any other institution

We had a law making institution of chiefs who checked the alaafin's power

The British say the greatest thing they gave to their people was the co-dependent but semi-autonomous governmental institutions

Benin fell because you had internal squables

How can you have an absolute monarch without any other balances of power

Hence you begged us to restore calm to your home

Yet you disrespect us

May the gods heal your heart and help you accept the truth in reverence and humility.

prolog2:
Actually I refuse to engage in a discussion with you because you say illogical things which should be obvious for even little children !
You clearly don't have the mental faculties to discuss with an educated adult.

Ife is actually the sacred city

You will answer to the gods

Be calm

prolog2:
So because a guy who you claim to be Edo said something, therefor I shoudl believe it as gospel truth ?
Yeah, yoruba invented language ! Yoruba invented mad people language to be precise ! Go back to the mental asylum.

You can research these things yourself

Faraday said tesla's ideas were inappropriate

But he is the father of electricity today

I don't mind being called crazy. Many great ones were.

prolog2:
I stopped reading from here because I realized you were crazy. Making sense doesn't seem to matter to you.
You just say whatever rubbish makes you feel good.
Please go and have your conversation with other crazy people.
I'm done, even a 5 year old could school you on this.

I sense that you are being subvertive

Because I gave you facts

It's ok not to admit defeat.

prolog2:
SHUT THE HELL UP, Nobody believes your lies which are mostly illogical.
For your information, the sultan of sokoto was also exiled and so was the emir of Kano.
The Kings who put up a good fight were exiled or killed in battle.
oyo was a doormat, the british just walked over it with ease.
Why can't you just accept the truth !
Does it serve you to continue telling your stupid lies ?

British Conquest of the Sokoto Caliphate 1903

Benin Expedition of 1897

You can never find anything Online or in Books related to "Oyo British War" or "British Conquest of Oyo"

You can also never find anything online or in Books related to "Karnem Borno British War" or "Conquest of Karnem Borno"

Those are the only two peoples who were never conquered. That is why we the Yorubas were accorded massive respect by the British reason why the capital was in our territory, and they collaborated with us to build the university of Ibadan

They saw us as equals

The Karnem Borno and the Yorubas and Sokotos are of a common stock. We all owned large cavalries because we travelled around and conquered the east.

We conquered the iberian peninsula (Spain, Southern Italy and Portugal) under our commander Gibr-al-Tariq. We were known as the moors and we ruled Iberia for 700 years

That is were I get my name, Moorish

Now let me rock your boat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGgGVA58dAQ

An Edo man, who knew his forefather was the brother to mine

He said Yorubas invented langauge, Math and the concept of the University, first pyramid in sudan was built by the yorubas

Watch it man

davidnazee:
@moorish, you know I always speak the truth, so I will give u a brief account of the Benin-British war of 1897..

The British forces that fought the war was about 10,000 soldiers. About 2,000 whites and the rest African conscripts (mainly western yorubas and Hausas).
The British attacked from 3 fronts: gelegele, sakponba and the main column. The main column made of about 2,000 fighters was the one that successfully reached Benin city after 2 weeks of non stop fighting with the Benin soldiers.
They had sneaked through bush parts unknown to Benin and by the time Benin realized this the column was not too far from Benin and they fought for 2 weeks before the city was captured.

The other 2 columns, the gelegele column was defeated at Ughoton by Benin soldiers and all fighters killed.
The sakponba column succeeded in burning Abraka and Jesse towns and some towns before they were decimated by the Benin soldiers.

The fall of Benin city demoralized the Benin fighters but didn’t end the war. The war ended 6months later..

FYI Benin never thought they would loose the war against the British.

Don’t compare Edo people/Benin kingdom might to Oyo.. Even the British soldiers acknowledged they fought a real war in Africa.. Oyo was dead before the British arrived and any other Yoruba resistance was just a militant fighting for deve..

"As an example, Oyo empire can not be said to have collapsed before 1893, in line with British conquest of Sokoto in 1903 and Benin in 1897, etc. What really happened was that the empire declined and its power waned. Research has shown that after the victory of the Illorin over Yoruba forces during the Eleduwe war of 1835, Emir Shitta sent Ilorin forces to sack Oyo Ile and loot the palace. Consequent upon the attack, Oyo Ile was deserted and has been in ruins ever since. Logically, Oyo empire would have fallen if the Fulani had been able to overrun the whole of the empire as she did to Illorin and Hausaland where emirs were imposed on conquered territories. However, that was not the case."

Iwe Itan Ibadan (History of Ibadan) by Isaac B. Akinyele (1911), History of the Yorubas by Samuel Johnson (1921), Iwe Itan Ogbomoso (History of Ogbomoso) by N.D. Oyerinde (1934)

Benin fell in 1897, Sokoto in 1903

Oyo never fell

We only restructured. The british on the premise of "Peace Making" made us and the ekiti sign a treaty of "Peace"

What we did not know however was we signed to be a British Protectorate

prolog2:
stop quoting me for your rubbish, The Oba of Benin was too busy fighting against thé british to talk about your useless alafin who couldn't put up à fight.

The british had to use mercenaries from the north, mostly fulanis (Usman dan fodio), to destabilize Yoruba

The illorin/oyo people have had friendly relations with the fulanis for many years, we trusted them when they came with the islamic doctrine, and many people were disenfranchised with alaafin due to promises of economic prosperity from the muslim proselytyzer who promised the new religious adherents equality.

They now saw our supreme Alaafin as an oppressor

Fulani infiltrated then sacked our buffer kingdom of nupe, who were Oyo tributary, and they were conscripted into their armies

They are regretting it today

Lisabi killed our administrators in Egba

They are also regretting it today

Afonja then marched on Oyo

We re-mobilized in ibadan, our new capital and defeated our invaders

The british simply watched the whole thing unravel, being the masterminds behind all this

They couldn't face us one on one

They were coy and slick, gotta give them props for their mastermind strategy

My point is that Benin was not as formidable as Oyo.

Britain conscripted 1500 soldiers to take benin

White boys slaughtered benin soldiers!

Your Oba was exiled bro!

That is not an honourable thing

I wouldn't be proud of that if I were you

They had to be more strategic with the Yorubas because we were the Mighty Force in the South

davidnazee:
Since you don’t know about Owo kingdom (a Benin vassal state and property) I will enlighten you on it. Read below about Owo’s relationship with Great Benin kingdom.

""Using a combination of oral traditions and written sources, this work reconstructs the history of a tropical African kingdom, the frontier Yoruba kingdom of Owo in southwestern Nigeria, from about the 12th century to the middle of the 20th century. One of a number of kingdoms springing up in this forest country in about the 11th and 12th centuries, Owo developed as a typical Yoruba kingdom, with a system of limited monarchy and careful balances of the interests of society. However, Owo was the closest Yoruba kingdom to another kingdom that was not Yoruba, that had a significantly different political system characterized by nearly complete monarchical absolutism.
Inevitably, Owo developed relationships with that kingdom, the strong, expansionist Benin kingdom of the Edo people - in trade, culture, etc. Owo seems to have grown slowly until it came under pressure of this much stronger neighbor. Benin’s ownership of coastal territory had positioned her to benefit from the coastal trade with Europeans beginning from the last years of the 15th century. Wealth from the trade and the acquisition of imported weapons of war (European guns), transformed Benin into a formidable adversary to her neighbors. Unable to match Benin’s military power, Owo strove for independent survival by entering into creative commercial and political arrangements with Benin. Over time, Owo-Benin relations attained a certain stability featuring much cultural interaction, friendly trade in each other’s domain, and traders from both kingdoms’ trading side by side far into the interior. Politically, Owo began to be impacted by the Benin system, thereby creating a long history of conflict and instability in the internal politics of the Owo kingdom. In spite of such, however, Owo continued to prosper economically. Owo also developed excellent diplomatic skills that preserved her independence and prevented frequent wars with Benin. Owo’s economic prosperity spurred cultural growth and revival, making Owo a great cultural center in Yorubaland. Although Owo’s political life never fully recovered from the disruptions imported by her contacts with Benin, Owo never ceased to be a prosperous independent kingdom. The same trends continued under the British and have continued in the context of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Ryder and Bradbury only mentioned Owo in passing in their works. Ryder says that Owo was part of the Benin Empire that extended to eastern Yorubaland in the 15th century and Bradbury says that Benin conquered Owo, one of the Yoruba states and that Owo was intermittently part of the Benin Empire before the 19th century.
For example, Bradbury has emphasized the Benin factor in the history of precolonial eastern Yorubaland. He explains this in terms of the expansionist program of Benin and its impact on the surrounding polities, including Owo. According to Bradbury: ‘It is impossible at the present time to determine the extent of the Benin empire at any particular period in the past; the frontiers were continually expanding and contracting as new conquests were made and as vassals on the borders rebelled and were conquered....
On the northeast, Akure, the Ekiti country, Owo and much of what is now Owo Division were, though intermittently, tributary to Benin; the re-conquest of this area was attempted, with some success during the early part of the 19th century. It appears from the Edo traditions that Edo influence in this area dates back to the late 16th century.’
the Benin armies extended their conquests beyond the Edo regions, subjugating many towns and villages of Ekiti, Ikare, Afenmai and the western Ibo, among them the important towns of Owo andAkure.’ 85 Akintoye complements Bradbury and Ryder by looking at the imperial activities of Benin in eastern Yorubaland: how Benin succeeded in establishing her rule or dominance in the area, how she treated the subject peoples and how she was overthrown by the coming of the British in 1897

Akintoye has dwelt more extensively on some aspects of the precolonial history of Owo, particularly her relationship with the Benin kingdom than any other scholar.
According to him, Benin had an overwhelming political, economic and cultural control over Owo until 1897. He says, without any qualifications, that
‘.. .Owo appears to have been very closely controlled from Benin.’ 89 Akintoye gives his reason for Benin’s total control of Owo by saying that this ‘... was probably due partly to Owo’s comparative nearness to Benin and her location along the main routes.’
He adds that in practical terms ‘...The Olowo (i.e. the traditional ruler of Owo) sent tributes to Benin annually through a resident official and the Owo people had to pay to the Oba of Benin obeisance customarily due to an oba. For instance, in most parts of the Yoruba country any hunter who killed a tiger or leopard had to give it up to his oba. In Owo, any hunter who killed either of these animals had to carry it to the Oba of Benin.’ Akintoye adds that ‘Owo was made to surrender its princes as hostages in the Benin court. Many Owo rulers therefore had Benin education and were responsible for introducing Benin culture to Owo. This is why Owo shows much stronger evidence of Benin cultural influence, especially in palace ritual and manners, than other towns in the area under study.’""

So @moorish, you see that Owo is more Edo than Yoruba.

That was an interesting read, but I will read up alternative sources as well before drawing my conclusion

Yoruba will rise again

I learned from the british empire, they plan very well

They used roman created religion, islam, to infiltrate our military garrison in the north

This weakened our brothers in the south

We fought on all fronts

Fulanis, british, even our brothers ekiti ond ondo in the east fought against Oyo

I am very proud to be a yoruba son

The attached picture shows the oyo king in his palace

@Davidnazee and @prolog2

I told you it was alaafin that the british representative asked about when he told oba of benin "I hear of a very powerful king in the hinterland, whose face cannot be seen"

Alaafin>>>>oba of benin

The reason benin feel important is because the white man used you

Benin people are a disgrace to the black race

It was the oba of benin that sold yoruba and Igbo sons to the white man during the slave trade, research it this is pure fact!

Benin people did not go into the slave trade

You see igbo and yoruba music and how it flows like black american music

Those are our people in those lands

Divide and rule tactics of the european. Prop up a smaller kingdom, and use them to destroy the larger ones

Benin grew bigger than its master and was arrogant, hence britain shut them down

It seems our ancestors are fighting back for us because if you look at things today

The benin people are slaves, both male and female

Yorubas are calculating

Y0ruba:
Do you know the origin of the chain story? Are you aware that your Oduduwa chain revisionism is similar to, Arabs claiming Adam was their son who was to be killed & was buried alive with his head sticking out of the soil but Jews found him and claimed he was made out of dust by YHWH? Do you see how stupid it sounds hinging your own true history on the spiritual story of another group? You should spank your king

Permit me to disappoint you that the chain story is Yoruba’s creation story in Yoruba religion. Also permit me to break your heart that in the creation story, Obatala, Orunmila & a number of irunmole descended followed Oduduwa on that chain. May I also break your heart that when they landed, Ogun used his machete to clear the pathway for these irunmoles. Did your king know of this full data of the creation story? Did your king also know there are creation stories saying Orunmila created the world & descended on chain? That Obataka created the world & descended on the chain? That Oramfe created the world & also came down on a dangling chain? . Or is every deity with chain featured in their creation story the same as your lost prince? Ask your king

The actual story of Oduduwa is that of a man who lived on one of the hills under his lineage like many other people in Ife did before the civil war. Ife’s 13 communities know members of its lineages & they all know those who came from elsewhere. Ifes know themselves & does not integrate outsiders. This is the case with Owu, Iraye, Modakeke, Hausa, Ijebu & so on. Rather than bring you, they would rather give you a place to settle with your people. If Oduduwa was from Bini, Ife folks would record it, believe this. Did your king know Ife was already a thriving center with independent towns?

Also, keep in mind that, Ife before had Kings, powerful ones. They were deeply spiritual and did sacrifices daily. What makes you & your people think these kings readily accepted a wanderer & that these deeply spiritual people did not use him as a sacrifice? People did not wander around Ife anyhow back in the day, that was the fastest way to become a deity’s food. What makes you think, if he ever got to Ife, he did not end up as a victim of ritual killing?

Also, did you & your king know Oduduwa had children before the civil war? If not, let me gleefully inform you that Oduduwa, the Ife guy, had children before war broke out. In the early days of his struggle with Obatala, one of his kids was poisoned by Oreluere. This move had an impact on Oduduwa’s pursuit of the war, he began negotiating & seeking help. Oreluere leveraged on this to demand terms favourable to Obatala & his co-travellers. Did your king know that your lost son had children & while bound in chains, took them across the deep forest till he got to Ife?

I do not think this or anything will convince you to see the fallacy in your narrative or drop it. I’ll however ask you to list or at least ask your elders to tell what relations & knowledge of Ife your people had that made your lost prince wander to Ife?

We can start from here.

That is the problem with benin "scholarship"

No facts, no literary sources, no logic, just claims!

I usually believed their narrative, because I was born in their territory.. Since I came on this thread, You brothers have given me power to conquer these enemies to the east because now I have the knowledge, we are the sons of odduduwa, A god! A civilizer, a mighty one!

I have a lot to be proud of

The Owo kingdom has some beautiful arts

All I need now is a yoruba queen who can bring me into my culture!

I am also mixing up with true omoluabis for the first time in my life here in lagos

Man I did see some dark days in the old bendel land


i also had some good days, and I count one or two bendel sons as my brothers but the guys on this thread have made me rethink my benevolence

#FamilyFirst

Bro, I am going to send you a message if you don't mind

Y0ruba:
Love established in falsehood is no love. It is deceitful tolerance.

I am only just studying the owo kingdom

Did owo birth benin??

Their arts are so similar, and the owo arts and crafts look like the original!!!

Olodumare blessed us oh!

Imagine if we unite!

davidnazee:
Do you know the origin of Oduduwa and his chain story? Let me tell u;

When Ekhaladeran was released into exile he still had the chains he was bound with when he was initially inprisoned. He had the chains on him when he wandered into Ife.
It was this chains the people of Ife saw on him a stranger who had knowledge of herbs and mystic powers so they assumed he came down from the sky with the chains!!
So my friends you now see that ;
Ekhaladeran + chains + mystic knowledge = Oduduwa from the sky!

That didn't make any sense

Honestly

Y0ruba:
Love established in falsehood is no love. It is deceitful tolerance.

If you read my first post I said "Good morning my brothers"

"Love is the key" is only extended to my brothers also

Love is the key

Good morning all my brothers!

Obalufon:
you just fought with the eastern Yoruba nothing more ....that's is your achievement ..you people are trapped within the jungle you don't know what the hell is going outside the world we had trader that are traveling around Africa .. ..i can't blame a forest groom kingdom that didn't domesticate any beast of burden camel /donkey and horse or has a leverage above it's temporary on technical military skills, no powerful armor cavalry to expand its kingdom to level of an empire claiming they burnt or conquer a race that introduce civilization to them a race that is much advance than them ..your oba throne was revered not feared base on your military power capability ekiti alone will wreck hell on your kingdom..ogedengbe seized the whole of eastern edo your oba pleaded he didn't attack he negotiated to support him he didn't declare outright war .ogedengbe can't disrespect the throne he accepted his offer

Bro, you said something that I agree with 100%

God sees my heart

You said at its peak, the Benin kingdom would have been wrecked by ekiti

I honestly agree with that assertion. I just feel it

But it seems ekiti respected those Benin guys because our brother was on their throne

davidnazee:
Maybe if I explain things point by point Yorubas will understand..

1. Great Benin kingdom conquered and ruled Eastern Yoruba
2. Yoruba towns and villages were sacked and burnt by Benin armies.
3. Yorubas were taken hostages by Benin and resettled in different places (like Babylon did Israelites)
4. Yoruba Obas were paying tributes to the Oba of Benin.
5. Yoruba princes in lands under Benin control were required to serve as slaves in our palace before they could go back home to be king
6. About 40% of Eastern Yoruba are Edo people making eastern Yoruba Edo lands.
7. When Benin armies are coming whole towns and villages are evacuated and the people flee into bushes and mountains to hide.
8. Benin kingdom saw the birth and brutal death of Oyo.

You remain my subject, tiny edo man

Imagine Buhari cracking jokes and being merry at such a sensitive time in the nation?

Just shows you where his heart is at !

While Many mothers all over are still crying over their dead offspring

The least this clueless old man could do was answer their question diplomatically and according to the laws of the land

.....

Olu317:
You are a big time clown. Where were your Edo Army when Banjo Over run your small kingdom during the 1967–1970 civil war ?
I mock you.

I had left this thread before oh

Olu leave that clown he is a troll

#Backtodaura

jrusky:
I just love fayose this guy is doing his best. I could remember years back before he was maliciously impeached then this guy constructed road that links almost the entire of ekiti and when he was removed every other governor that came to rule ekiti did nothing and fayose was back to power and ekiti is moving on bit by bit, I love him.

I love fayose and wike for saving Nigeria a country of over 180 million from the embarrassment of one party this useless apc were planing to do. If not for fayose and wike opposition voice would have died long ago the Islamic agenda of Buhari and his gang would have succeed. I really thank these two guys a lot and all their haters will swallow sniper soon either they liked it or not sniper is the way for them.

God bless fayose
God bless Jonathan
God bless wike
God bless Nigeria

A......N......D

Thunder fire all apc
Thunder fire fayemi
Thunder fire Buhari the bigot
Thunder fire Amaechi+Tinubu
Thunder fire those that sold us bad market.

It is not about APC or PDP

It is about the person in said party

ubunja:
always fly Virgin Airways.

Yea that would only work on your first flight

Realdeals:
Religion no gree us

You can port

Brightgem:
Thank you. Naija for life. I can travel the world but cannot live else where we must make this space better.

I Dey tell u

GoodFaith:
doing odd jobs is a step to better job
I tell people get a security job in location that are not busy the pay might not be the same for a busy place
IF you can get 600pm to 12am better
Go to school and read your books at your security job
It does pay off

Yea

Personally I love my sunshine and tropical weather

I go for holidays or shopping abroad

That’s it

kushe:
The moment I step into London,the first thing I always wanna do is get on an underground train and marvel at a century old technology .I have done this consistently since I was a teenager,so maybe London or the West has lost its allure.London,Chicago or Dubai dont excite me anymore,because they are the achievements of other people. What happened to our own God given ability to create?
I am so excited whenever I see those train tracks approaching Marina,that is our own, no matter how medieval our own technology is.Going abroad to hustle is like a very talented artist always staying in galleries admiring the works of other artists instead of creating his own.When will other people come to admire his own works.Sadly we have become a nation of migrants going anywhere that is not Naija including Guam,Fiji and Suriname.Sadly we dont even integrate well with our adopted homelands as we still crave naija food ,attend naija churches and generally still cluster in groups where we can still behave like we do in naija.If you dont believe me,spend enough time in Peckham or Hackney in London and you just might see someone driving one way or begging you for money in yoruba.

All of us cannot migrate ad infinitum

We must love ourselves

That is the only f.ucking way