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RIght right every real somali African is a bantu-somali. Utter rubbish. How ignorant can you be.

Stop confusing your mixed bred somali president with an indigenous somali. Go to any Arabized African country and you will clearly see a phenotypical contrast between the ruling class and the real ancient indigenous people.

We all know that any Arab infested country's upper class citizens consist of mixed bred people. The local people in the villages and refugee camps represent a real copy of indigenous types.

Look at the difference btw the president and the refugees

somalia11: somalis dont have negroid cranio shaped head


somalis have large foreheads, sharp noses, long necks, angualar jaws, tall, soft hair.......the total opposite of negroids who are short, nappy hair, stocky build, wide nose, big lips, flat head.


all scientific evidence shows somalis are not negroid. Linguistics, genetics, migration patterns, facial features, even look at somalia on a map and look at all the people who look like somalis their all right next to the middle east.


your obsession has to end. Somalis would hang you from a tree if you went to somalia today.

Negroid is a head shape designated to anyone who's cranio metric measurement originates or is predominant in Africa. In other words a "tropicoid" head shape. Negroid is not a race nor is it an ethnicity. The appropriate anthropological designation according to carlton coon for west/central Africans would be "congoid". The appropriate designation for east Africans including Ethiopians and Somali would be "Athiepoid" or "somaliod". These designations are all sub groups of negroid/tropicoid head shapes.

Middle eastern and west asians would be designated mediteranoids or caucasoid.

Get your facts straight and use the terminologies in the right contexts.



The following craniometric designations, Somalioid, congoid, capoid and caucasoid.

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you see how ignorant you are. I was speaking of cranio-metric head shapes not genetics.

That heat in somali has dried your brain cells up you are reasoning like a six year old


GO BACK TO SCHOOL!!!

Good to see the next generation of nairalanders are taking African genetic inquiries further in a more academic approach.

I have been ringing this bell for a long time and happy you guys are digging deeper into these issues.

Bravo!!!

somalia11: yeah i agree. But i guess the millions of somalis who had slaves who were negroid, and use the word black which means slave do represent.

how sad is it that this negroids want to somalis to be black so badly. find your own history. Just look at the hiv rates in negroid nations.

Ah Ayanle456, still here eh. well let the madness continue. Somali are negroid. According to carlton coon they are a sub group of the negorid race, with skull shapes referd to as somalioid quite similar to their brothers in the west who have congoid skull shapes, their neighbours to the north who have mediteranoid skull shapes and their south african brothers who have capoid skull shapes.

Are you following cause if you are too dump to catch the inference above I can explain it to you like a six year old buck teeth somali black

I hope the Ethiopians annihilate those wanna be Arabs and take over their land. Bring back the kingdom of Aksum.

IIIIxRoyalxIIII: An Open Admission to Suffering from Egregious Levels of Extended Unemployed-Ism

An Astonishing Revelation

You wish young brat. You so wish!

somalia9: its because you are retaarded my black child.

nah its because I have all the time in the world cause I am rich B*48Tch. Don't have to work like you to send money back to my hungry relatives in Somali

IIIIxRoyalxIIII: ....^How Long are you Going to Let this Man Troll You on the Same Topic?

FFS ....How Many ~::Years::~ Are you going to discuss this?...LML

Royal(Agent) "Why Why do you persist MR. Morpheus"

Morpheus "Because I choose to"

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until Royal becomes "Pure" black or Yeshua comes back to earth.

somalia9: you gotta troll harder mate, the fact you just said 68 percent dna with other africans tells you we are different, and by other africans you mean other hornets.....troll harder

The 60% African DNA and 40% West Asian(not caucasoid) DNA is Autosomal, which is a combination of genetic data taken from sampled populations. The entire population of African Americans have about the same Autosomal DNA in them at 30%. What does that tell you m.o.r.o.n

Your Ytdna is about 80% E3b Somali male, 15% Eurasian and 5 % sub saharan, which means a high percentage of your paternal lineage is African derived. No male descendants outside of Africa carry the E haplogroup as persistent as Africans

Your maternal DNA has a high frequency of M1 at almost 100% which till date is argued to be derived in Africa as an ofshoot of L3 which is a predominant east African maternal imprint or a possible ancient back migration from West Asia.


Ps everyone in Africa is different genetically. I don't have the same Paternal lineage as a Southern khoisan African nor do I have the same maternal lineage as an east african dinka
s.t.u.p.i.d.i.t.y. at its best

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find the posts that you are refering to and post them here for all to see. I have been on nairaland for over 6 years so it should be easy for you to run a search and when you are done, don't forget to include all references I make to Fulani, Ethiopians, Khoisan, Madagascans,senegalese,berber, andamans and pretty much all people with dark skin.

Tsweehh!!!!

sithwell: Well, thank you. Just trying to rise above the noise... :-)

Not be tribalist but I am suspecting you are a Xhosa person.

Ask me why, well I don't want to offend your brothers, lets just say intuition.

somalia9: you were obsessing with somali peoples dna waaaay before i got on this site mr infamous morpheus.

nah I was obsessing about West African Fulani DNA.

Somali only came under my radar as soon as you showed up.

You on the other hand are reflecting your short comings cause Nigerians in particular superceed Somali in just about every field thinkable.


PLEASE!!!!

pirate1: the obsession continues

As long as the S.t.u.p.i.d.i.t.y continues

A true somali African, born of the African soil.

Big up to a real Somali

somalia9: Somalis are inbetween negroid and caucasion, everyone knows that, thus our look and dna

If the above statement makes any sense then these people must be inbetween negroid and mongoloid as well

somalia9: As you can see those people who have the same language group originally have the same ancestry. thus the reason why somalis/ethiopians/eritreans speak afroasiatic language same as arabs and berbers and also have the upto 40 to 50 percent of the same dna as those groups mentioned.



now that am done educating you, i best be on my way, i have a class in a few minutes.

You are not educating anyone Anyanle. you simply are using old information that was drawn up by Eurocentric anthropologist.

There is no arguement that DNA flow occured in regions that have boundaries with other continents and the sahara poses a formidable boundary that stopped gene flow to the inner parts of Africa. Thats simply a plausible and reasonable ascertion. What is in contention as far as this is concerned is the pseduo scientific anthropological designations given to Human beings within one continent to fit certian obvious bias while ignoring the same application to other continents.

Therefore in all truth, Somali are African, Somali have black skin, Somali have predominant African DNA ( 40%/60% shit is skewed from sampling so cut it out)and Somali originate in Africa so somali are equidistantly closer to Africans.

In colloquil terms they are therefore "Black Africans" no more, no less.

sithwell: Hi Montlyspector

South Africa is a cheap alternative to many African immigrants. What this means is that on average, the type of immigrant that would go to South Africa is not the same type of immigrant that would go the USA or UK. On average , the most educated group of immigrants in the US are Africans, a significant portion of which are Nigerians. South Africa is, on average, not blessed with this type of African immigrant. Therefore, South Africa is an immigration destination of convenience, as opposed to an immigration destination of [first] choice, unless of course, you are talking about an immigrant with relatively low aspirations. And there are many of those, because society is not homogenous. But an immigration destination for Africans, it is. South Africa has the highest number of individual asylum applications in the world. Even people that do not qualify for asylum status, still apply for asylum in South Africa. These aren't applicants that are blessed with alternatives. These are people that could not go to the US or UK if they tried. In the main, these people then end up in undesirable places like Hillbrow, Ivory Park and Diepsloot, which places them in direct contact with the lower strata of South African society. In the US, African immigrants, on average, are among the higher strata of American society.

About South Africa never being "heard of", I cannot argue with your personal experience; and the conclusions you draw from it. :-) However, I do know that in the US, some Americans do ask me "which country in South Africa?" I am from. I could then find some alignment to what you are saying. However, I am not sure what exactly this proves. It is known and widely accepted that South Africa is not a USA or UK. Save for the people you have heard from online, South Africans know this and aren't really fazed by it. If I tae anything from the situation, it is that I should be humble enough to know that I cannot judge societies based on the views of some individuals. I cannot assume Americans are ignorant based on some of the people that I have met. By the same token, you should not judge South Africans based on a statement posted online by someone who wanted to brag in ignorance. I suffer from my own ignorances, myself.

I am not sure how to respond to the sentence about "expressed desires to visit or emigrate", because I am undecided whether I understand you to be talking about tourism or emigration. If you are talking about emigration, I have addressed the issue of choice and convenience. If you are talking about tourism, I am not sure about the numbers you are drawing your statement from, because Southern Africa's tourism figures are driven by African tourists, to a significant degree.

Paragraph 6(b) - paragraph starts with [...] "may be a bit puzzling" - I have already addressed the first sentence of your statement , in which case South Africa's crime rate cannot be a deterrent to the type of immigrant that South Africa attracts. If anything, it would encourage criminally minded would-be immigrants to travel to South Africa. Regarding "the unpleasant history of South Africa", I am not sure whether you are talking about apartheid or history of a different kind. Therefore, I will hold back until I understand what you mean.


They know that momentum and inertia are real forces in the realm of human socio-psychology as they are in the realm of physics. - Because I do not understand this statement, I also cannot respond to it.

You cannot expect decades of violence and bigotry to disappear just like that simply because of recent superficial changes in laws and the skin colour of the people in government.

Besides, people know that, at the end of the day, south africa as a whole is not really a rich country, as can be seen from its gdp per capita. A country with such a low gdp per capita (by western standards) cannot have the same status as countries like the US, UK, etc in the eyes of people

Agree. I would be surprised if majority South Africans would want to argue otherwise (?). South Africa's own position is that it is a middle-income country, with inequality and poverty among the main agenda points of government.

Perhaps, while we are at it though, we might also agree that GDP numbers aren't the end-all or be-all of economic wellbeing. There are other far more reliable indicators, in which case raw GDP numbers are really not relevant.

No matter how much wealth there is within the country that is concentrated in the hands of a few.[b]Of course, this could change in the distant future if the majority of its citizens become more and more educated
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Yes, agree - and this is post-apartheid South Africa's official position. Therefore, we are agreed and I doubt anyone has argued or would wish to argue otherwise. I will leave the issue of education alone for now, because of the query raised below.


But given the current animosity towards education that is still affecting large parts of the country, there is still a long way to go before this can happen.

Perhaps explain this some more? What does "animosity towards education" mean? By "large parts of the country", what do you mean? Certain geographic locations? We can then chat some more about this, once we have formulated the statement better. It is a bit "loose" at the moment.

- Forgot about this:

With regards to the dragging death of the Mozambican: this really speaks volumes about the mental condition of the black race. White racists were burning black south africans and dragging them to death in the past. And now, the same black south africans turn around and begin burning and dragging other black people to death. This sort of thing tends to show black people to be a pathetic race.

With respect, I think your argument has deteriorated into a number of convolutions here.

a) Let us start with the most obvious issue. The dragging death is currently before the court, with the accused driver arguing that he did not know that the Mozambican had jumped out of the car. Can we agree that if his argument succeeds, the matter ceases to paint the kind of picture that you are painting. If we agree that the justice process should be allowed to take it cause, then surely, all conclusions are premature (?)

b) Then, there is the more serious issue of "the black mind".

Let us start with the lower-hanging fruit: South Africa's stratified society:

Further up this post, I comment on South Africa's stratified society. The behaviour of one stratum cannot be used to draw conclusions about the whole society. As the inequality between races decreases in South Africa (inter-race inequality), the inequality within race groups (intra-race inequality) increases. Therefore, black people in South Africa are no longer homogenous. Viewing them in that way is intellectual neglect.

On to the next issue: Using the behaviour of certain black people to draw conclusions about a whole race:

This unfortunately is the same self-conceptualisation issue that I highlight as being the problem with the question that has been asked. Somehow, some people (including you in this case) are not able to distinguish between correlation and causation. There is a phrase: "correlation does not imply causation". There clearly is a correlation between the behaviour of a black person in South Africa dragging a Mozambican (assuming this was done on purpose) and the behaviour of a Nigerian person burning another one to death as part of jungle justice. The correlation is race. They are both black. The cause of their behaviour, however, is something else. The cause is social class, education and value systems. Unfortunately for a lot of Africans, the "correlation is causation" stance is wrongly assumed; and people are black before they are anything else. This is why people ask questions such as: "Where would South Africa be without black people?" This is also why people talk about "the mental condition of the black race". And this is why it is easy for racist arguments to appear valid against Africans.


PS: While I was looking at your post, I tried to find the website of Nigeria's federal government. I couldn't find it. What is the website address, please?

Spot on analysis. Where have you been hiding? Couldn't have put a more balanced interpretation

IIIIxRoyalxIIII: Had this Gorgeous Senegalese Queen Spit in my Face Yesterday....

As She is coming out of the Subway, she grabs my arm and ask me for directions.

I couldn't understand her accent. She kept switching between English and Wolof in the same sentence

Plus it was really loud down there...all those people..Nyc yanno......

So i cut her off...and I just try to kick game to her...and She starts Smiling...

Then i pull out my Phone....She starts putting in her number...and As she's doing it..I guess she recognized other Senegalese Names..

And That's when she proceeded to Spit in my Face.

Cursed me Out in Wolof, Gave me an Evil Eye and Walked Away...

In one of the More Bizarre Subway Encounters i have ever been involved in

A Thick Heavy Glob of Spit too, High Volume, She Spat, and Then Spat Again, Wtf was that all About.

God Bless My Beautiful Senegalese Queens.

A great talker is a great liar

@ sweet cheeks

Ask yourself If you count 10 of our friends, do you know 3 who are HIV positive, if so then HIV stats in SA are very realistic


now ask a Nigerian to do the same and name out of 10 of his friends, if he is aware of 3 that are HIV positive or have died recently from unknown causes, Not very likely, and this is taking in consideration that HIV in Nigeris is under-reported.