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kuchikau1:
kano no still retain u. Lol

Lol, but Abuja retained

goldcrossxx:

I don't know if you will ever read this. But because I analysed your type when she wrote it and told her to stick with you because from what she said about you, my analysis of your type, and your post, I think you are a good man.

Please stick to what IamD18 said. He said everything that you need to know about the future of your relationship. Do not move into marriage with pity. Thanks

The above method only work for weak men. You don't need to do all that to stop her from cheating.

To mitigate her cheating career/lifestyle, simply initiate the process of making her a baby mama or getting a second wife.

Jman06:
Go and find out how pharmaceutical industries work, you obviously have no idea. Let me cite a pharmaceutical industry as an example. In a typical pharmaceutical industry, you have the top management team which comprises the MD(pharmacist and owner), The executive director of operations, E.D.O(a pharmacist), Plant manager (a pharmacist), Research and development manager (a pharmacist), production manager (a pharmacist), Quality assurance manager (a pharmacist or chemist who has extra training in quality assurance), quality control manager (a pharmacist or chemist with sufficient experience in the position, account manager (accountant), marketing manager (a pharmacist with MBA ), engineering manager (an engineer). what i have given you is literally the organogram of a leading pharmaceutical industry where i did my IT last year. Now, there's no such position as project manager there, and even if such position exists, the person is definitely not going to be paid higher than the owner who is a pharmacist. Now can you mention that pharmaceutical manufacturing industry, where the MD is not a pharmacist, or where a project manager earns higher than the MD like you claim??

I think you are becoming smart. I see how you outlined the project management roles and then in bracket assigned it to a pharmacist. At this juncture, I can admit you have learned the truth. Next time, you google PMI and see how much it is to get a project management certificate only then you will stop comparing it to a pharmaceutical role.

homesteady:
Oga Accept that you were wrong, apologize for misunderstanding my post and move on!
What exactly do you want to analyze in my comment? I categorically and clearly spelt it out 3 times that I was referring to the initial post that I replied, to which you replied to. Only for you to come out with some supernatural comprehension, and claiming I was referring to your post. It's either
1)You have selective blindness or
2)Your English is very poor.

Besides where you not the one crying that people on this thread are saying physics graduates are always teachers? Isn't that undermining of the course? If it isn't, why were you complaining?

Lol @My English is very poor.

Alright sir, apology for misunderstanding your post.

Jman06:
You obviously don't know much about the CONHESS salary structure. Entry level pharmacists in public hospitals are placed on CONHESS 9 and that is 170k plus allowances in some cases. Go find out.

If know a pharmacist who owns a community pharmacy, find out his DAILY sales and then do the math and see for yourself what his monthly income stands at.

Thank you!

We are not arguing JOHESU etc, I don't know anything there but I know the salary range. Secondly, we are not talking about people owning some pharmacy stores in the street. We are talking about people working in a firm, a big firm.

Even a level two fiverr seller will earn more than a doctor in 2 weeks . So don't bring the side hustles. Even those in Ogbete Main Market in Enugu selling cloths earn more than most workers in offices. So we must both understand the premises of our discussions.

It's nice discussing with you though

Jman06:
I ask you again, who owns that pharmaceutical industry you claim you work for as a project manager?? Do you earn higher than your employer

The mistake you are making I think is thinking that it is who owns the business that matters. Let me shock you, it is not a must that a pharmacist will own a pharmaceutical company. It may be some group of stakeholders bro

But in the industry, you have pharmacists and project managers (project team) working there. In this case, the pharmacist is a technical person and don't earn up to the project management team. They are the business guys and they earn higher that's the point I was trying to prove. It is just like saying that a web developer will earn more than the project manager in an IT firm. It doesn't happen that way

Jman06:
You are the ignorant one here! Why do you keep deviating from your earlier stance that a project manager would earn higher than a pharmacist in a pharmaceutical firm Remember that was your initial submission.

And for your information, Pharmacy as a business is not like every other business just anybody can venture into. It is highly regulated and if you are in doubt, educate yourself about what it takes to open a pharmaceutical company.

In public service, medical doctors earn higher than pharmacists, I'm not disputing that. The reason for that is why JOHESU is on strike today. Even at that an entry level pharmacist in public hospitals is placed from CONHESS 9 which is from 170k.

In the private sector, more pharmacists earn better than medical doctors. Even when they work for other pharmacists in community pharmacies, they earn better than their medical doctor friends because their salaries are regulated by P.C.N. Many private clinics don't pay medical doctors above 50k. I know many working in private clinics who earn 50k per month.
Then now compare full fledged pharmacists who have established their own businesses with even consultant medical doctors, the pharmacists earn far better. Not to talk about those who are into manufacturing, importation or distribution.

Now what is even the job prospects of your so called project manager, how many of them are employed and by who??

It is visible to the blind that what JOHESU is advocating is not being considered. So an entry level Pharmacist is not even paid up to N170k. But a medical doctor receives that. Secondly, when you do to different states, their pay changes and deviates from JOHESU or whatever.

Go to IT industry and see the price there. Young guys collect N250k. A colleague left to lagos where he is currently being paid N300k. He is a Java developer. That is a salary of a resident doctor that an ordinary B.sc holder collects

Jman06:
You are the ignorant one here! Why do you keep deviating from your earlier stance that a project manager would earn higher than a pharmacist in a pharmaceutical firm Remember that was your initial submission.

And for your information, Pharmacy as a business is not like every other business just anybody can venture into. It is highly regulated and if you are in doubt, educate yourself about what it takes to open a pharmaceutical company.

In public service, medical doctors earn higher than pharmacists, I'm not disputing that. The reason for that is why JOHESU is on strike today. Even at that an entry level pharmacist in public hospitals is placed from CONHESS 9 which is from 170k.

In the private sector, more pharmacists earn better than medical doctors. Even when they work for other pharmacists in community pharmacies, they earn better than their medical doctor friends because their salaries are regulated by P.C.N. Many private clinics don't pay medical doctors above 50k. I know many working in private clinics who earn 50k per month.
Then now compare full fledged pharmacists who have established their own businesses with even consultant medical doctors, the pharmacists earn far better. Not to talk about those who are into manufacturing, importation or distribution.

Now what is even the job prospects of your so called project manager, how many of them are employed and by who??

Lol, maybe I will address this in an elaborate form.

In government owned institutions, project managers are consultants and you don't compare it to a pharmacist. In hospitals, the project management unit is where the money is. We all know about consultancy and the rest. Pharmacists, doctors, and other health workers are technical persons even in hospitals. They do the technical work while the project manager does the business. He is the one that knows how and when to procure the necessary equipment (s) that the pharmacist or medical doctor will use in the technical work. Most often, in government institutions, the project management role is assigned to a consulting firms where they pay millions upon millions to manage those services. Kindly ask questions.

In private sectors

We both know that Pharmacists and medical doctors earn as you have rightly said. In this same sector, the project manager rules again. A web developer earns far more than a pharmacist let alone project manager. In IT industry, project managers are paid from N200k upwards. I don't want to tell you that while a pharmacist was collecting N60k in the private sector, my salary was almost times 3 of that. Oga, you don't argue that.

Currently, we are handling a project for one pharmaceutical company, a big one for that. After that project, we will create a new role for a pharmacist. In fact, a pharmacist will resign his position and be the product manager. While others will be dispensing drugs doing community pharmacy . Abeg leave talk.

Go to LinkedIn and see how the role of a project manager and other management positions are all being sort after or have you seen those job adverts on nairaland front page looking for a pharmacist? Most people after opening those job adverts don't end up applying because it is quite different from the conventional job role they know. e.g engineering, physic, law, medicine, pharmacy, economics etc. How often do you see jobs like this being sort for? These are technical jobs, the professional jobs is the business management. They are the ones discussing the business while others are executing the technical role.

homesteady:
Calm your tits bruh. I know English is not a strong point for Engineering/physical science students, but you shouldn't be fumbling at comprehending my simple posts. I know you feel threatened because your field is being undermined here, but calm your nerves down and read slowly.

I was referring to the post that I made a comment on, which you replied to. I was even praising you for giving a better response, only for you to interpret it in a very bizarre way.

Your first paragraph isn't necessary. Sorry, my field isn't undermined here, it is only normal for people to question the future seeing the current state of the nation.

I don't want to start analyzing your last post which I replied to, maybe you didn't know it could be understood that way when you wrote it. Your sense of superiority makes you irrelevancies without knowing. Have a good day

Jman06:
We are talking about those in the pharmaceutical industry. To start with, a Pharmacist owns the industry. What does he even need a project manager?? When he is trained to have numerous management skills He has many other pharmacists working for him with their wealth of managerial skills, what's the need for a project management graduate How many pharmaceutical industries employ project management graduates? Even if there's any, it's sure going to be that the project manager was suffering unemployment and had to be considered by the pharmacist who owns the company to play a different role upon being trained perhaps in HSE or cGMP and believe me the salary is no where close to what a Pharmacist in same company earns.
I have a firsthand knowledge of how pharmaceutical industries work so i know what i am typing about.
Your brother might be a pharmacist who is working where he is not well paid. It's possible. Some people out of ignorance settle for less when they could do better and this applies to all professions.

You ended up typing with complete ignorance.

Let me educate you. There's a difference between medicine as a profession and medicine as a business. The business rules the world. A entry level pharmacist will start from N80k -150k, while an entry level medical doctor will start from N140k -N190k. Now an entry level Project manager will start from N130k -N170k. If this person happens to find himself in the IT industry, then his entry level salary will start from N200k upwards.

Pharmacists are underpaid when compared with project managers. I don't need to argue further, if you think its a lie, prove the above wrong.

horia:
programming.

Go for web development.

Learn Java and Python. Please do know that the programming language used in developing any website/portal depends on the functionality of that portal.

With my experience in the IT industry, I would recommend you ignore those css etc. and learn Java, Python, and PHP. These are programming language in high demand.

homesteady:
I'm not condemning physics as a course, I was just condemning that post. The Op is obviously looking for advice, especially from those who are degree holders in physics, but that comment did not even proffer one advice except that it is best course in Nigeria.
Compare that post to yours, you listed realistic job opportunities and also used yourself as an inspiration.

We are done here.

No sane human will tell you that a particular course is better than another. For deducing that in my comment, we shouldn't be talking. Goodluck

Jman06:
Say what you know please. Project manager will earn more than a pharmacist in a pharmaceutical firm owned by a Pharmacist
Unless you are comparing a project manager who has risen through the ranks to become a manager and a newly employed entry level Pharmacist. The difference won't be much even at that, besides the Pharmacist could have his community pharmacy or use his license to earn from other sources than the company where he works.

And you think the project manager won't have another side hustles? How much is an entry level pharmacist paid?

Do you know that an entry level web developer earns more than a pharmacist? With many side hustles? I have a pharmacist at home so I am not making a blind argument here.

Yes, I have found love and it's in my family

Do you want us to judge you?

Let me answer your question: YES

I don't know why everything is geared giving men a bad name in this country. How does you know what to do connote sleeping with the lady.

Well to be honest, the problem is hydra faced. Some ladies can do anything to get whatever they need. We grew up the phrase use what you have to get what you want. It seems to be backfiring now.

Most employment should go through private recruiting firms, I think it will reduce the occurrence of these rubbish. Everyone should be employed by merit if we must grow in this country.

hostine316:
God bless you my brother. I will tell you something about what happened to me back then. I wanted to study elect/elect but I was given mathematics. When I asked some people about the course, they started laughing at me that I would end up becoming a primary school mathematics teacher. I was so discouraged. I talked to my dad (although he is late now) about it and he told me one thing; he said go and make extensive research about the course on your own and make the best out of it. I held on to that statement even up to this very moment. I did personal research and I saw alot of opportunities for mathematics graduates. I will mention a few; I.T industries, financial institutions (banks and insurance), academics, medicine, climate agencies, etc.

To cut the long story short, after making personal findings, I fell in love with academics especially research. How mathematics was used to study and understand complex phenomenon ranging from our biological world to our physical world. I studied hard and did excellently well. I got a scholarship to do my msc mathematics in Senegal 2 years ago and now I have a PhD mathematics scholarship in Germany.

Why did I bring up my story; for the OP to understand that anything you conceive in your heart now would go a long way. Whether in physics or civil engineering or anywhere you find yourself. I have some mathematics and physics friends who graduated and are now in the IT and engineering industries, some work in banks and insurance companies, some are in oil and gas sectors. I have worked with some in academics during the course of research. They are great guys even better than we mathematicians. They have wide range of knowledge in different areas of science and engineering.

OP, don't let anyone discourage you, not even me. You're the brain work, architect and engineer of anything you choose as a career. I will say this again, make the best out of anything you do.

Good luck.

Congrats bro and well done for the comment.

While studying physics, I didn't ever imagine teaching in secondary school and I don't see myself doing that.

Yemight474:
I'm very grateful for what all of you has told me....
may God continue to bless each and every one of you...
I will continue study physics. what I need now is little more details about programming.

You may not need a technical knowledge on programming. While it is good and very necessary, try to build yourself towards the project management side. This way, you head and manage developers. Having a knowledge of the working principles of the code is very necessary to adapt to the industry.

So whichever way you choose to. I work in the IT industry and I don't have any coding knowledge. Learn more of Java, python, html or you can be a front end web developer. Most developers are back end developers making the front end developers scarce. Currently, we are needing a frond end developer and no one to be found now.


Do your best bro but don't kill yourself with code

laudate:
Forgive them, they do not know any better. Another thing is that some of our universities these days, lack adequate course advisors, as well as guidance and counselling units where such answers are provided.

I have since learnt that 'life is what you make it,' with the help of God and hard work. First degrees are just a stepping stone. It is what you build upon it, that matters.

A good friend of mine, studied Biology at undergraduate level and ended up with a 2nd class lower. She immediately decided to take courses in Project Management. She later got a job in a pharmaceutical firm before moving to a telecoms company, where she worked her way through the ranks. She finally ended up as their Project Director, and is now a consultant in the industry.

If she had sat down to start lamenting about her first degree in Biology, she would never have gone far.

Exactly. The point is that most graduates or youths have a skewed view of the real world out there. They only know about engineering, law, medicine, and pharmacy jobs.

Like you rightly said, a project manager in a pharmaceutical firm will earn more than a pharmacist in that firm. So if a physicist sees himself as a teacher, then such person will end up earning 30-50k and end up average in the society.

Nigerian's are not crying due to high rate of unemployed physics graduate but unemployed graduates across all disciplines.

pooozeee:
You are studying one of the best course ever in the world, even in Nigeria, don't be discouraged and make sure you have either a 1st class or 2:1 out of the university then I can assure you, you are fit to work anywhere even in the oil company

I studied physics too and I graduated several years ago, I have been working in the Telecommunication company, I do a lot of things, I also have many friends who studied physics and are working in mtn, Etisalat and Glo......

don't listen to any bad comment about physics posted here.... people with bad comment here are ignorant about physics, they always think physicist end up being a teacher this is bcus they don't no anything about the course

all I need you to do is to be focus and determined and make sure you have a very good grade, just 1st class or 2:1 is enough

if you wish to choose telecommunication line just like I did then my advice is this

when you are serving (NYSC) register for CCNA go for the ccna lectures and write the exam if you pass then I can assure you, a job in any telecommunication company or even bank is certain

you can do CCNP, CWNA, CWNP ITIL and so on,

trust, you are very fine studying physics, you will be competing with electrical / electronics student

What do you expect when most comments come from unemployed or low earning people who are very comfortable earning below 80k.

What they do not know is that most NPOWER applicants are not physics graduates but those from the social sciences. Again, they are more unemployed engineering graduates than physics graduates. Most physics teachers in secondary schools are engineering graduates not even physics graduates.


Most people were taught physics in secondary school by engineering graduates who now double as physics teachers because they taught engineering is physics

dawahlarry:
Lovely post I must say. As a graduate from this great Citadel of Learning, I have been trying to schedule a time to visit Lautech in order to orientate present undergraduates. Physics as a course has a lot in common with Electrical & Electronic Engineering, a course I was blessed to study. I presently work with Huawei in Lagos and I must tell you telecommunications industry is always in need of graduates with experience in the field, especially in the Radio Frequency (RF) section. My advise to you and other undergraduates studying both Physics and EEE is to use both your SIWES and I.T periods to learn at least one of the following softwares used in Drive Test before your graduation, such as TEMS Investigation, Genex Probe, Map info. Knowledge of any of these, by God's grace, gives you an automatic job even before you go for service as this part of telecommunications really needs more hands. A senior colleague from Lautech that trained me is a graduate of Physics. To know what a Drive Test is, kindly use Google search engine. Physics is a good course.

It is not a must that you work as an engineer or physicists after your studies in the university. The pedagogy of learning is such that you become well trained such that you can apply what you have learned in physics to banking, IT industries, Oil and gas, etc. There are many courses like Project management, Business Analysis, Data Analysis, etc that has no direct relationship to courses being taught in the universities. These professional courses pays more than medicine and surgery, engineering, law, etc.

People should be taught to be versatile in learning such that they can adapt to different environments. Good radio presenters did not study mass communication and the list goes on.